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Old 09-30-2009, 11:57 AM   #1
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is Dantoine jedi academy a secret?

Was this supposed to be a secret training facility? Revan (first time) trained here right? Malak didn't? Am I missing something?
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Old 09-30-2009, 12:04 PM   #2
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Was this supposed to be a secret training facility? Revan (first time) trained here right? Malak didn't? Am I missing something?
It's where both Malak and Revan trained as Jedi - it's not a secret training facility, it's just a Jedi Academy.



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Old 09-30-2009, 12:35 PM   #3
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Thanks, I had somewhere in my mind that Malak wasn't supposed to know the location. Or maybe it was Saul. (actually, I never answered truthfully when Saul interrogated me). As if Bastila or the other jedi thought that Malak and his crew didn't know about Dantoine.
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Old 09-30-2009, 01:05 PM   #4
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Yeah, same here... come to think of it, that doesn't make sesn. Malak would of course know where the Academy is, because he likely trained there.. or would at least have heard of it.

And plus, him and Revan went and retrieved the star map there. I'm sure they would have noticed the jedi academy nearby.

Maybe they knew where it was the whole time? idk, I'm confused now

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Old 09-30-2009, 01:13 PM   #5
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Yeah, same here... come to think of it, that doesn't make sesn. Malak would of course know where the Academy is, because he likely trained there.. or would at least have heard of it.

And plus, him and Revan went and retrieved the star map there. I'm sure they would have noticed the jedi academy nearby.

Maybe they knew where it was the whole time? idk, I'm confused now
Malak knew where it was the whole time; Saul answers as much when you lie "Of course we know the Academy is in Dantooine" - or words to those effects, the real answer is Bastila is a dumb-ass and tells you Dantooine is "hidden".



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Old 09-30-2009, 01:35 PM   #6
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Oh okay, thanks for the clarification.

I wonder why Bastila... or the rest of the Jedi council... was stupid enough to think that Malak (or any of the dark jedi) wouldn't know where the academy is?

You would think they would at least relocate or something with the Jedi Civil War and everything...

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Old 09-30-2009, 01:59 PM   #7
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Oh okay, thanks for the clarification.

I wonder why Bastila... or the rest of the Jedi council... was stupid enough to think that Malak (or any of the dark jedi) wouldn't know where the academy is?

You would think they would at least relocate or something with the Jedi Civil War and everything...
It seems to me they had the idea that just because there were "Many Powerful masters of the Order" present at the Academy, Malak wouldn't make a move against it. Sad bit of arrogance I think, given his attitude toward Taris.

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Old 09-30-2009, 02:07 PM   #8
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Oh okay, thanks for the clarification.

I wonder why Bastila... or the rest of the Jedi council... was stupid enough to think that Malak (or any of the dark jedi) wouldn't know where the academy is?
I don't think the Masters didn't think Malak knew where the Academy was, however it's hardly a strategically important place; the actual Jedi Council was still located at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant

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You would think they would at least relocate or something with the Jedi Civil War and everything...
Well they did according to K2, Atris and other Jedi moved lots of things out of the Academy prior to the attack.

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It seems to me they had the idea that just because there were "Many Powerful masters of the Order" present at the Academy, Malak wouldn't make a move against it. Sad bit of arrogance I think, given his attitude toward Taris.
As I said above it's hardly a strategically important place; though you would of thought having quite a few powerful Masters, who could potentially be taken out from an Orbital attack as there wasn't a Space Defence fleet would actually be quite an attractive proposition. But then my general opinion of Vrook and a lot of the other Jedi at the time was they were neither bright nor wise; with the exceptions of Vandar and Vash.



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Old 09-30-2009, 02:12 PM   #9
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Ah, thanks. Silly Bastila. Still like her though. Can't remember if any other jedi's there made similar remarks.


Maybe (half joking here) the council foolishly thought they were succeeding in some sort of force deception. Or something like the power Krieia uses to be the unnoticed but all observing fly in the room.
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Old 09-30-2009, 11:11 PM   #10
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I'm curious what the Leviathion (sp?) wasn't doing when it attacked Dantooine, because I can see the Republic using it as bait and drawing off some of the Sith while attacking something like a supply dump or liberating a sector from the Sith.

Just an idea though....


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Old 10-01-2009, 04:08 AM   #11
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Malak knew where it was the whole time; Saul answers as much when you lie "Of course we know the Academy is in Dantooine" - or words to those effects, the real answer is Bastila is a dumb-ass and tells you Dantooine is "hidden".
Oh? I would have guessed it had something more to do with keeping the identity of the real dark lord, Revan, dead for all the main character could tell. Or at least elusive.

Like the player was never supposed to know.

...all things considered if it wasn't total dumb-ass, it was extremely naive.


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It seems to me they had the idea that just because there were "Many Powerful masters of the Order" present at the Academy, Malak wouldn't make a move against it. Sad bit of arrogance I think, given his attitude toward Taris.
Ah yes. Underestimating your enemy can be a fatal flaw.

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I'm curious what the Leviathion (sp?)
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wasn't doing when it attacked Dantooine, because I can see the Republic using it as bait and drawing off some of the Sith while attacking something like a supply dump or liberating a sector from the Sith.

Just an idea though....
Which makes me wonder if the reason certain folks are so important in the galaxy, and their destinies in the force so grand b/c everyone else is a bunch of dumbasses.
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Old 10-01-2009, 10:38 AM   #12
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Okay, I'm not sure if I missed this part... but

If Malak knew where the Jedi Enclave was, why didn't he destroy it off the bat? Did he just not see it as important until Bastila/Revan and friends started looking to bring down the Sith Empire?

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Old 10-01-2009, 11:30 AM   #13
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Right, there are spoilers a head...

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The first question was a test. Obviously Malak knew the Academy was on Dantooine. It has since been destroyed
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I'm curious what the Leviathion (sp?) wasn't doing when it attacked Dantooine, because I can see the Republic using it as bait and drawing off some of the Sith while attacking something like a supply dump or liberating a sector from the Sith.

Just an idea though....
Malak was chasing Bastila at this point... And having just flatened Taris there wasn't anything to guard there.

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Okay, I'm not sure if I missed this part... but

If Malak knew where the Jedi Enclave was, why didn't he destroy it off the bat? Did he just not see it as important until Bastila/Revan and friends started looking to bring down the Sith Empire?
Because he thought Revan was dead, he learns however on Taris from Calo Nord that Revan is alive; and then as the game continues he hears that Revan and Bastila are gathering the Star Maps - as such he then moves against Dantooine to try and stop the Star Forge location being discovered; I would hypothesize.

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Oh? I would have guessed it had something more to do with keeping the identity of the real dark lord, Revan, dead for all the main character could tell. Or at least elusive.
Well, yeah thats the gameplay mechanics of it



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Old 10-01-2009, 12:15 PM   #14
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Because he thought Revan was dead, he learns however on Taris from Calo Nord that Revan is alive;
As long as this is mentioned - How the hell was Calo Nord able to identify Revan? The instructors at his own academy didn't recognize him!




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Old 10-01-2009, 12:21 PM   #15
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As long as this is mentioned - How the hell was Calo Nord able to identify Revan? The instructors at his own academy didn't recognize him!
One presume's they never saw Revan without his armour and mask; a master without a face is a lot more intimidating... Perhaps Calo had a run in with Revan back when Revan was a Jedi?



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Old 10-01-2009, 12:44 PM   #16
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One presume's they never saw Revan without his armour and mask; a master without a face is a lot more intimidating...
Well that's exactly what happened; Yuthura even comments on this if you ask her about it.

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Perhaps Calo had a run in with Revan back when Revan was a Jedi?
Maybe, but Calo runs into Revan twice before they fight at Davik's estate. I'd think if Calo recognized Revan, he'd probably say/do something, but he pretty much ignores you. I don't know, it was always one part of the plot I never quite understood. Perhaps I'll make a thread about it in the future; at the moment I feel that I am straying a bit too far from the given topic.




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Old 10-01-2009, 01:20 PM   #17
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I don't think it was secret. In the old republic i believe there were several training facilites such as this as the jedi order was less centralised as it became come the rising of the empire era.

I think as many have stated that Malik simply didn't deem it worthwhile target. Untill he discovered Revan still lived then he would want to eliminate star maps if he had even worked out what reven was doing.

hope that makes sense. It works in my head :-)
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Old 10-02-2009, 02:51 PM   #18
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Malak was chasing Bastila at this point... And having just flatened Taris there wasn't anything to guard there.
Yeah, Taris wasn't there anymore, but what else was the Leviathan supposed to be doing? Despite the fact that it is a flagship of the Dark Lord of the Sith, it still has some responsibilities. So, what else was it doing?

Despite the fact that the Sith have an infinite amount of ships, they still don't have the men to crew all of them, so that means that EVERY SHIP COUNTS. So, that means that the Leviathan was likely doing something such as protecting a planet, conquering someplace, or something of the sort.

@GTA: Thanks for the spelling! And, yeah, watching the movies again and then playing the games, it does make me wonder about that.....


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Old 10-02-2009, 03:09 PM   #19
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it wasnt Revan Calo recognised, it seems to me like it would have been bastilla or Carth

plus Revans masters DID recognise him/her....They had to prtend not to know hoo he is for the benifit of Revans New mission



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Old 10-02-2009, 03:29 PM   #20
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it wasnt Revan Calo recognised, it seems to me like it would have been bastilla or Carth

plus Revans masters DID recognise him/her....They had to prtend not to know hoo he is for the benifit of Revans New mission
I think you misunderstood the point I was trying to make - First off, when Saul mentions that Calo has information about "Bastila's other companions" he is clearly referring to Revan; he has already informed Malak about Carth, and quite frankly, nobody else in the party at that time was worth Malak's interest. As for the instructors, I wasn't referring to the Jedi Masters; I was referring to Uthar and Yuthura at the Sith academy.




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Old 10-02-2009, 05:57 PM   #21
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hmmmmm....you are probably right...please excuse my last post..i feel like an idiot



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Old 10-03-2009, 12:28 AM   #22
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i feel like an idiot
No need, we all do it sometimes.

As for Dantooine, I always assumed Malak just didn't care, or wasn't confident enough that he could win the battle. I'm sure he would have been afraid, to some degree, of the prospect of dueling all of the masters on Dantooine. I'm guessing his decision to attack was more an act of desperation, an attempt to prevent Revan and Bastila from having anywhere safe to go.




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i think it would have been good to have been able to go back there and see the damge and meet master vandar



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Old 10-03-2009, 08:19 AM   #24
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this is why the whole "revanchist" idea - that revan was a public and popular figurehead for the war against the mandalorians really doesn't jive with the occurances within the game at all.
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Here's the conversation after Leaving Taris.
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Bastila: Dantooine... it seems like a lifetime since I last set foot on her surface, though in truth it has only been a few months. We should be safe from Malak here... for now, at least.

Carth: Safe? You saw what his fleet did to Taris: there wasn't a building over two stories high left standing! They...they turned the planet into one big pile of rubble.

Bastila: Even the Sith would think twice before attacking Dantooine. There are many Jedi here, including several of the most powerful Masters of the Order. There is great strength within this place.

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Old 10-14-2009, 05:25 PM   #26
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I always wondered this. I forgot about Bastila's quote above, but it still made me wonder why Malak had never attacked the planet in the first place. How exactly did the Jedi keep the planet safe? It sounded as though the Sith didn't know about it, but then destroyed it. Not like it's 'finally' been destroyed.
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