Karen Traviss' Imperial Commando 2 Cancelled.

**Astor** · 12-22-2009, 05:48 AM

For those who haven't heard, Karen Traviss' final installment in the Republic Commando series of novels, Imperial Commando 2 has been cancelled.

You can read about it here.

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Originally Posted by KT

But today I'm reacting, because somebody blurted out something on a forum, and the rumours started. Yes, for once a rumour is actually true; I've withdrawn from the sequel to Imperial Commando 501st, which was going to be my final Star Wars novel. I had issues over contractual matters and working practices that still showed no signs of being resolvable after a couple of years, so I told the publisher that I would not be doing the book.

Revan_Malak · 12-22-2009, 07:56 AM

Well, I thought that even Imperial Commando 1 had been pushing the unimaginative minds of the rest of the Star Wars 'makers'. You want real Star Wars? Timothy Zahn, Karen Traviss, NJO and...there is no 'and'. Not yet.

Construct · 12-22-2009, 07:44 PM

Oh yeah, Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire (or something :/) trilogy? Awesome. And A. C. Crispin's Solo trilogy. Almost done with the first book.

Rinku · 12-22-2009, 08:43 PM

Not that big of a surprise...

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A. C. Crispin's Solo trilogy

Loved that series.

Timothy Zahn FTW.

Ulmont · 12-22-2009, 08:53 PM

Yeah, I've said it before and I'll say it again but...

Lucas and his cronies have gone completely cooperate sector on us. They've stopped producing good work, and just churn out complete osik to make a few creds. They curn out low quality gunk, slap on a spiffy title, then say "Sorry Travis, Zahn, and the OT, but your non-canon now, so just sit on your shebs and twiddle your thumbs." On the bright side, it did get Travis to write some Halo Short Stories, but that still dosen't justify them saying usen'ye to the mando'ade, and the clones, and turning jetisii from remotely cool 'ade into complete prats.

Revan_Malak · 12-23-2009, 05:08 AM

Again, if you want Star Wars, read everything, before 2007-08. Everything after is rubbish.

Zahn hasn't had one bad story, and I've read a lot of Timothy Zahn's work. All in my Wookieepedia account.

The NJO is turning out really good too.

I'm on the sixth book now, "Balance Point".

**Astor** · 12-23-2009, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Ulmont

"Sorry Travis, Zahn, and the OT, but your non-canon now, so just sit on your shebs and twiddle your thumbs."

Nowhere have they said that any of it is definitely non-canon. Claiming that the entire Mandalorian culture has turned to pacifism is a falsehood, as those shown in The Clone Wars have been proven to be a separate faction, distinct from the Mandalorians that Traviss has portrayed, so her work isn't necessarily non-canon.

And i've no idea what you mean when you say that the Original Trilogy is now non-canon.

Revan_Malak · 12-23-2009, 11:31 AM

I think he means that Lucas is plain stupid for ignoring it and the things that happen after it. But that's okay. Can any of you imagine how bad Star Wars' EU would have been if Lucas was making it? I'm just glad he didn't ruin an era with potential. He can have his 'Clone Wars' era, for all I care. The New Jedi Order and Legacy era will forever be superior to every one of his mistakes.

Ulmont · 12-23-2009, 12:49 PM

K'oyacyi! The OT wasn't so bad, but he trashed basically everything else. Mir'sheb aruetii.

**Astor** · 12-23-2009, 01:00 PM

Apologies, then, although I was more levelling the complaint about 'Mandalorian Pacifism' in Traviss' direction.

Unfortunately, it's a risk all SW authors take when they write anything, but as always, it's up to the fans what they pick and choose to take notice of.

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Mir'sheb aruetii

Watch that language!

Revan_Malak · 12-23-2009, 01:42 PM

I just can't imagine the 'pacifism' idea. Someone insults me, fine, I call him a bad name or two then turn away. Someone insults someone I care about, he gets a mouthful of laser

The Mandalorians wouldn't give up their ways. Never. They are warriors, damn it! You can take the soldier out of the battlefield, but you can't take the battlefield out of the soldier! And how come they are real Mandalorians by the time of the Rebellion again? Amnesia?

Ulmont · 12-23-2009, 07:01 PM

Pacifist (n) - Someone who will not fight, in any way, under any circumstances.

Mandalorian (n) - Someone who will fight, for whatever reason, in any circumstances.

Hmm... Mando'ade Pacifists... Right.

I can't agree more, the mandalorian pacifist thing hurt. Between II and III, mandalorians go from kandosii vode, to pacifists, and then from III to IV, they go from pacifists back to kandosii vode, right? Sssssuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeee....

Commander Dimal · 12-23-2009, 07:30 PM

If the Mandalorians are pacifists, who trained the clones?

**Astor** · 12-23-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ulmont

I can't agree more, the mandalorian pacifist thing hurt. Between II and III, mandalorians go from kandosii vode, to pacifists, and then from III to IV, they go from pacifists back to kandosii vode, right? Sssssuuuuuurrrrrrreeeeee....

No, they don't. That's just it. Moaning about 'Mandalorian Pacifism' is pointless, because not all of them become pacifists.

The Mandalorians who become pacifists after their civil war become the New Mandalorians, and they based themselves on another planet. Presumably, there were those who rejected pacifism and continued with tradition.

The Mandalorians who fought under Jaster Mereel (and later Jango & Boba) and trained the Clones are the True Mandalorians. Although most of those were killed, there were still plenty of 'Mando'ade' keeping the traditions alive.

Revan_Malak · 12-24-2009, 04:07 AM

Astor, you make great points, but the thing that hurts is that the pacifists are calling themselves the "New Mandalorians". I would have settled with some new faction, having emerged from warriors and that was now a faction made up of pacifists, but they crushed the name of the Mando'ade. The pacifists have no right to call themselves 'the children of Mandalore'.

Ulmont · 12-24-2009, 01:11 PM

Actually, the call themselves the children of Dutchess whatshername the coward.

Construct · 12-25-2009, 10:04 PM

Err, just saying this went from Imperial Commando to a lot of off-topic GARBAGE. No, just kidding. I read your guys' posts. Hee. Ossim.

Dutchess Satine is her name. I just looked it up and went HOLY CRAP! NO WAY! Yeah, she's the woman in the Clone Wars season two trailer... :/ What's up, ossim Mandos?

AAC-1102 · 12-26-2009, 08:33 PM

So what happens now? I mean, what about the RC's, IC's, Kal, and Sev? Are they just leaving us hanging?

Trench · 12-27-2009, 09:46 AM

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So what happens now? I mean, what about the RC's, IC's, Kal, and Sev? Are they just leaving us hanging?

Yep. I just finished reading it. The cliffhanger was murder.

CommanderQ · 12-27-2009, 01:05 PM

Hmmm...this is really unfortunate. I agree with TMM, the cliffhanger was indeed murder.

Somehow I get the feeling we haven't seen the last of Skirata and his band of misfit Mando'a....We'll probably figure out what happens to them one way or another in the future, what with the connection they have to the Legacy series books.

LordOfTheFish · 12-27-2009, 01:15 PM

Well, to look on the bright side, now maybe a 'real' writer will pick up the series and finish it.

CommanderQ · 12-27-2009, 02:17 PM

^^Now wouldn't that be awesome!

We won't have to tar and feather Karen Traviss for her rash actions,

AAC-1102 · 12-27-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Te Mirdala Mand'alor

Yep. I just finished reading it. The cliffhanger was murder.

Murder is an understatement. I would call it cruel and unusual punishment

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Originally Posted by Astor Kaine

Apologies, then, although I was more levelling the complaint about 'Mandalorian Pacifism' in Traviss' direction.

Unfortunately, it's a risk all SW authors take when they write anything, but as always, it's up to the fans what they pick and choose to take notice of.

Watch that language!

Would someone please find me a good mando 'a translator for this guy?

**Astor** · 12-28-2009, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by AAC-1102

So what happens now? I mean, what about the RC's, IC's, Kal, and Sev? Are they just leaving us hanging?

I don't know about the first three, but KT has always made it clear from the beginning that she would never be able to write about what happened to Sev because control of his fate lies with LucasArts.

Personally, I think he's dead.

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Originally Posted by AAC-1102

Would someone please find me a good mando 'a translator for this guy?

I'm sorry, why do I need to a translator? I understand mando'a perfectly well. (seeing as I need to know exactly what people are saying in case it breaks any rules)

M@RS · 12-28-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Astor Kaine

I don't know about the first three, but KT has always made it clear from the beginning that she would never be able to write about what happened to Sev because control of his fate lies with LucasArts.

Personally, I think he's dead.

QFT. I also think he's dead... The odds at the end of RC were totally against Sev. He's the furthest away from the squad, and the closest to the enemy. So the only way he could possibly live is if 1) He's the SW Rambo and fights his way through. Or 2) The rest of the squad catches up in time to rescue him. Both of those options seem unlikely.

CommanderQ · 12-28-2009, 12:20 PM

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QFT. I also think he's dead... The odds at the end of RC were totally against Sev. He's the furthest away from the squad, and the closest to the enemy. So the only way he could possibly live is if 1) He's the SW Rambo and fights his way through. Or 2) The rest of the squad catches up in time to rescue him. Both of those options seem unlikely.

Hmm, true, the odds of his survival are quite low...but I don't know, Sev was pretty tenacious, clone Rambo wouldn't be impossible. Still, it's best to think of him as dead, we haven't any confirmation on any form of survival.

Ulmont · 12-28-2009, 01:09 PM

That, and what you hear/see at the end of RC, it looks like he's being surrounded, while still stuck (as in he can extract himself) from the wookie missile launcher. (seriously, you can look over at sev's launcher from yours at the end of RC, and he doesn't hop out of it. Programmers being lazy, or part of the plot?)

AAC-1102 · 01-03-2010, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Astor Kaine

I don't know about the first three, but KT has always made it clear from the beginning that she would never be able to write about what happened to Sev because control of his fate lies with LucasArts.

Personally, I think he's dead.

I'm sorry, why do I need to a translator? I understand mando'a perfectly well. (seeing as I need to know exactly what people are saying in case it breaks any rules)

I mean for me sorry
I'm not fluent in mando'a yet

and ulmont does have a point. Upon closer inspection, sev doesnt even get out from his launcher

Revan_Malak · 01-04-2010, 06:58 AM

Sev is a tough shabuir, and he can make it. It takes a lot more than a few scrap piles to get a Republic Clone Commando killed.

Of course, the 'New Star Wars' makers might not see it like that.

AAC-1102 · 01-04-2010, 10:45 AM

Very true, RM. And I like the Optimism. But I still don't know why LucasArts would leave us hanging like that, especially with such a popular character like Sev.

LordOfTheFish · 01-04-2010, 07:40 PM

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But I still don't know why LucasArts would leave us hanging like that, especially with such a popular character like Sev.

That's a simple answer... Because they are LucasArts.

Rinku · 01-04-2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Revan_Malak

Zahn hasn't had one bad story, and I've read a lot of Timothy Zahn's work. All in my Wookieepedia account.

QFT
Saw on your Wookiepedia account you are thinking of reading Death Troopers, great book IMO, it was a good thriller (idk if you would call it that) combined with Star Wars.

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Originally Posted by Revan_Malak

Again, if you want Star Wars, read everything, before 2007-08. Everything after is rubbish.

Currently reading the "Legacy of the Force" series, good so far but have not gotten to the post 2007 books in the series. But from what I have heard it is a good series. I also have read some of the books from the "Fate of the Jedi" series and they were fairly good too (But that is jumping the gun on the "Legacy of the Force" series though) So I have to partially agree with you.

Revan_Malak · 01-05-2010, 06:24 AM

Well, I don't anymore. I mean, there still are good books, but you just have to be able to tell a good book from a bad one.

Imperial Commando - 501st was definitely a great book. Death Troopers has been really interesting too(page 170 out of ~264

). I plan on reading both the LotF and FotJ series, because it's Star Wars LMAO. That's why I began reading NJO - I wanted to read LotF and not say 'You mean...Ani is dead?! And where's Chewie, anyway?! He's...he's what?! Who was the genius behind that one?!'.

AAC-1102 · 01-06-2010, 10:51 AM

So again I must ask...what's next? Is a writer like Zahn going to finish the series? Or is LucasArts going to come out with another game to fiish the story? Or, worst case scenario, just leave us hanging?

Revan_Malak · 01-06-2010, 12:17 PM

The worst case scenario is going to be if Lucas gets involved

Can't get any worse than that, can it?

And no, I don't think Zahn wants any part of the carnage. He's writing 'Choices', and I like the title and the idea behind it both. Mara Jade, Luke Skywalker(the real Luke) and Admiral Thrawn. 'The Hand of Judgment'. What more than you want?

And the title is very descriptive. Choices. He chose not to take part in the carnage that is destroying Star Wars. He grows even more in my eyes for his choice to stand by the true Star Wars and its legacy.

Rinku · 01-06-2010, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Revan_Malak

I wanted to read LotF and not say 'You mean...Ani is dead?! And where's Chewie, anyway?! He's...he's what?! Who was the genius behind that one?!'.

that is what my friend said

(seriously)

AAC-1102 · 01-08-2010, 10:52 AM

It could get worse...but not much. And you're right RM, on two points. First, where's chewie...and second, Choices does look like Zahn doesn't want to get into the mess that destroyed the Republic, just the glory of what happens afterwards.