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Old 05-23-2010, 06:31 PM   #41
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I believe, and please correct me if I am incorrect, that Revan never really invaded the Republic for the same reasons as the "True Sith" intended.
Yep yup. It is strongly suggested that Revan fell of his own choice (knowingly embraced the Darkside) in order to protect the Republic. Unfortunately the corrupting power of the Darkside and the Star Forge proved too overwhelming for Revan and though he still strove to protect the Republic, towards the end of his reign he became little different than the Sith Lords of old.

Actually when you think of it, it's rather fortuitous that Revan was betrayed by Malak. It allowed him time to free himself from the domination of the Darkside, and with the help of Bastila (cannon version) he was able to awaken to the destruction he unleashed and ultimately redeem himself.
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Old 05-28-2010, 04:40 AM   #42
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Yep yup. It is strongly suggested that Revan fell of his own choice (knowingly embraced the Darkside) in order to protect the Republic. Unfortunately the corrupting power of the Darkside and the Star Forge proved too overwhelming for Revan and though he still strove to protect the Republic, towards the end of his reign he became little different than the Sith Lords of old.

Actually when you think of it, it's rather fortuitous that Revan was betrayed by Malak. It allowed him time to free himself from the domination of the Darkside, and with the help of Bastila (cannon version) he was able to awaken to the destruction he unleashed and ultimately redeem himself.
Great insight! This is exactly the way i see it as well. Bastila and the Jedi gave Revan a second chance.


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Old 06-13-2010, 02:52 PM   #43
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But there is still the possibility that Revan havent' fall to the darks side corruption, even with the star forge.

Kreia said that Revan NEVER fall, and that he has always been himself, so maybe, if Malak haven't betrayed him, he would been able to make a strong empire and prepare it to foght the true siths. The republic in TSL is crumbling, because of the jedi civil war, and the katarr events, the siths, all of that, and also the incidents caused by malak.

So if Revan really never fell into the dark side, Malak really screwed up everything, so when Revan recovers the memories about the true siths, it's too late for his old plans, so he asked canderous, to unite the mandalorians to help against the siths, and carth too, bla bla, to prepare the republic against the true siths. After this he leave to or try to stop himself the true siths, knowing that if he fails his companions would be preparing the republic, or he tries to retard them, to let more time to the republic.

That's how i see it ^^


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Old 06-21-2010, 07:32 AM   #44
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The New Sith Empire 3,970 BBY: After the Mandalorian Wars, the Revanchist returned to Dantooine with his friend Alek where they stmbled upon an ancient temple where they found a Star Map. They were told where to find this map by the remnents of the first Sith Empire in the outer regions. They were told to serve as a Vanguard for them. This Star Map led to many more where they found the Star Forge, a Rakatan war devise they built an Empire out of. They built an Entire Armada and using the troops and Dark Jedi given to them by the Sith Emperor, they corrupted many republic soldiers and eventually the Jedi. The first to join were the remnent forces from Exar Kun and Revan's old Master, Darth Traya and her two apprentices Nihilus and Lucien Draay AKA Darth Sion. The three however believed that Revan was ruling his "Empire" in a different manner than the Emperor wished, so she broke away and formed the Sith Triumverite and captured Malachor from Revan. Revan was however defeated by his master and the Jedi and was captured. The Empire finally fell however when Revan attacked the Star Forge, Malak's last place of refuge and destroyed it along with him. Revan went into the outer regions to try and stop the True Sith. The two rulers, of course, are Darth Revan and Darth Malak.
Here is a more correct interpretation: A powerful Jedi (known as Revan) started the Revanchist movement to help the Republic defeat the Mandalorians. During the ongoing conflict (The Mandalorian Wars), Revan learned about the significance of a planet Malachor V and the taboo it presented to the Mandalorians. Revan visited this planet and got exposure to vast amounts of the Sith Lore. He also learned about the existence of the True Sith there. After the conclusion of the Mandalorian Wars, Revan and Malak in pursuit of remnants of the Mandalorians in the unknown regions met the Sith Emperor (leader of the True Sith) in Dromund Kass. The Emperor persuaded them to prepare for invasion of the Republic by Sith. The fall of Revan and Malak to the dark side was now complete. The two returned as Master and Apprentice. However, their ambitions grew as they got nearer to acquisition of an ancient entity of great power - The Star Forge. Both Revan and Malak now envisioned their own Sith Empire. Revan specially planned to use the combined power of the Republic (under his command with its infrastructure intact) and the Star Forge to counter the threat posed by the Sith Emperor. In short: The Revan was preparing to challenge the Sith Emperor. To achieve his aims, Revan established a Sith Empire of his own and initiated Jedi Civil War to conquer the Republic. However, Darth Malak shattered his hopes by betraying him and got the chance to carry out his own ambitions. Unbeknownst to him, Revan survived and ended Malak's quest to rule the Galaxy by killing him. The Sith Empire crumbled and Star Forge was destroyed. Revan was now hailed as a legend and a great Jedi hero. However, from the ashes, Sith Triumvirate was born.

Sidenote: Keep in mind that Kriea became a Sith Lord after the conclusion of the Jedi Civil War and she formed Sith Triumvirate with assistance from Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus, who at one time were her apprentices. However, she was betrayed and was instrumental in downfall of the other two Sith Lords. Ironically! Her new apprentice - The Jedi Exile - killed her too.

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Old 06-22-2010, 12:30 PM   #45
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If Revan never fell to the darkside, why do they call him Darth Revan? And why did he have a red lightsaber? And why did he kill millions? And why was he at the head of a massive fleet ready to conquer the republic?




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Old 06-22-2010, 12:47 PM   #46
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Well, the red lightsabers, can be used by any one there is not any kind of force restriction.
After this, The mandalorians were worst butchers than Revan, and for example the orst thing Revan seems to have done, is Telos, and It's Malak who ordered the attack, you can easily see, that Revan wasn't as evil as Malak.
He was at the head of a massive armada to conquer the republic, without destroying military infrastructures, without big slaughters like the mandalorians and Malak, and then he can enforce the republic to prepare them against the real Sith Empire (Haven't you ever hear what canderous said in K1, and haven't you ever talked with kreia or goto?).


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Old 06-22-2010, 01:33 PM   #47
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Which brings us to another portion of my reports.


Who is the Sith Emperor? Here are some theories.


He is one of the Ancient Sith such as Ajunta Pal or Naga Sadow. Whoever he is, disappeared into the outer regions to raise an army.

It is a mantle passed down from generation to generation


Darth Krayt was the last true Sith, maybe he is the Sith Emperor and decided that he would be the last one to try and attempt to conquer


Darth Nihilus could be him, and he disapeared on the deck of his ship and was transported back to Drommund Kaas

(Or maybe Nihilus is like the Eye of Sauron, and is not a physical form, but instead the eyes and ears of the emperor)

(Or, he could very well be a being similar to the thought bomb, a living creature in human form representing all the lost souls killed by the mass shaddow generator on Malachor)


(He could very well be a simple bum in a mask)


Lastly, the Sith Emperor could be.........The Sith Emperor! A puppet master whose name is not known.




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Old 06-23-2010, 06:48 PM   #48
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Darth Krayt was the last true Sith, maybe he is the Sith Emperor and decided that he would be the last one to try and attempt to conquer
This doesn't make any sense, considering that Krayt was in fact a Jedi turned bad, trained by Ki-Adi-Mundi about 3,000 years after the time period of this game.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Krayt

That should clear up any confusion.


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Old 06-24-2010, 07:36 PM   #49
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Which brings us to another portion of my reports.


Who is the Sith Emperor? Here are some theories.


He is one of the Ancient Sith such as Ajunta Pal or Naga Sadow. Whoever he is, disappeared into the outer regions to raise an army.
About that time period but he is some other one of the original sith lords that got away.


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It is a mantle passed down from generation to generation
Possibly...but I thought he had lived all this time?

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Darth Krayt was the last true Sith, maybe he is the Sith Emperor and decided that he would be the last one to try and attempt to conquer
I think I'll just leave it to HDvader's post above. Wookieepedia page.


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Darth Nihilus could be him, and he disapeared on the deck of his ship and was transported back to Drommund Kaas
I can't really say. Evidence would suggest not. While I'll admit much is unknown about him, his limitations are fairly clear at this point. I actually think his power was linked to the Exile through the force like he was feeding off an exploit of the "wound" that was connected with her own power. When he tried to absorb her power it was like the power drained out of him instead. While his power may have rivaled that of the ancient sith, he did not control it but rather it controlled him.


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(Or maybe Nihilus is like the Eye of Sauron, and is not a physical form, but instead the eyes and ears of the emperor)
Maybe, but I don't think so. See, in lore of magic and stuff like that, there have been sorcerers that similarly had lost their physical form due to their overuse of magic. So Nihilus' concept is actually based off of something fairly common in RP and magic or fantasy lore.

One who knew how to look for such things would say he is a growing shadow or silhouette of death when looking at him through the force, continuously consuming more and more of it. That's pretty much all there is out there on him. We could speculate all day but it would go nowhere.
So based off what we're given, it'd be pretty much impossible to see anything through him or with him by using him that way.

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(Or, he could very well be a being similar to the thought bomb, a living creature in human form representing all the lost souls killed by the mass shaddow generator on Malachor)
That's an interesting theory. Like all that death, torment, and agony whipped and spun into shape, and one "nobody" man who physically survived it ended up becoming one with that atrocity through the force. This one possibly could work, just my opinion.

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(He could very well be a simple bum in a mask)
That's the indication thus far which I am afraid we're stuck with.

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Lastly, the Sith Emperor could be.........The Sith Emperor! A puppet master whose name is not known.
Probably.


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Which brings us to another portion of my reports.


Who is the Sith Emperor? Here are some theories.


He is one of the Ancient Sith such as Ajunta Pal or Naga Sadow. Whoever he is, disappeared into the outer regions to raise an army.

It is a mantle passed down from generation to generation


Darth Krayt was the last true Sith, maybe he is the Sith Emperor and decided that he would be the last one to try and attempt to conquer


Darth Nihilus could be him, and he disapeared on the deck of his ship and was transported back to Drommund Kaas

(Or maybe Nihilus is like the Eye of Sauron, and is not a physical form, but instead the eyes and ears of the emperor)

(Or, he could very well be a being similar to the thought bomb, a living creature in human form representing all the lost souls killed by the mass shaddow generator on Malachor)


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Lastly, the Sith Emperor could be.........The Sith Emperor! A puppet master whose name is not known.
What?

No way.


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Old 07-03-2010, 10:39 PM   #51
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In honor of the new tOR game, I think we should begin discussing Revan from his mysterious origins through his journeys in the outer regions (I really like this thread because it is kind of an ongoing discussion with no limits)

Origins: No one really knows where Revan comes from, it could be anywhere from Taris to Naboo, to planet Vulcan, or even to Middle Earth for all we know. His programmed identity states that he is from an urban planet similar to that of Nar Shadda on the border of the outer rim and the Unknown Regions. It will always remain a mystery from where he was born, perhaps he felt the call of home just as Kreia stated in her journeys with the Exile. Maybe his home world was a disturbing piece of his past he wished to return to as a sort of goodbye, or maybe he was even from Drummund Kaas itself.

Name: Nobody actually knows Revan's real name besides himself, Bastila Shan, and his other companions. This was one aspect he liked to keep to himself.

Jedi: At a young age, Revan became a Jedi. Whether his parents gave him up to the order or he decided to join himself, is unknown. Around the age of four is most likely the age he joined up. After training under master Vandar on Corosaunt, he became a youngling, and around the age of nine or ten, he met the young Bastila Shan who was a few years younger than he was. Given Bastila's knowllege and "premature" feelings of Revan in the game suggests that they once knew each other. Though this is just my guess, it is very possible because it would be most obvious that they were once friends. It is also probable that Bastila agreed to love Revan on the Star Forge because I garantee you if they had just met back on Taris and had no previous contact, she wouldn't have turned good. These are just my theories.

Mandalorian Wars: Since Revan acted about 28-30 in KOTOR, it is safe to say he was about 19 or so when the Republic first joined the Mandalorian conflict. He and his cloe friend Alek left Dantooine without the council's approval to fight their crusade against the Mandos. He, along with the Jedi Exile and Alek, obtained many victories on Onderon, Dxun, Taris, Telos, and Mandalore. In one battle, Revan and Malak chased what was left of a Mandalorian battle fleet to their base on the lush Jungle planet of Malachor V. After destroying the Mandalorian pressence there, Revan's fall began.

Road to the darkside: Revan and Alek took Malachor V from the Mandalorians and stumbled upon the ruins of an ancient academy known as Trayus, and converted it into a Republic bunker. One day, a Mandalorian liberation fleet under command by Mandalore the Ultimate himself launched an Attack on Malachor personally. Revan sent the Exile back to the Republic for supplies and came back with many ships which crushed the Mandalorian fleet which scattered. After a long duel between the Revanchist and Mandalorian leaders, Revan stood victorious. The Mandalorians began evacuating troops off the surface and The Exile ordered Luitenant Bao-Dur, the head techniction of Revan's army, to activate a doomsday weapon called The Mass Shadow Generator which compressed all of the Mass Shadows on a planet into a small orb so much that it would explode turning the entire planet inside out and turning every creature left on the surface a Shadow Beast. If activated a second time, it would destroy the whole planet. only one Mandalorian ship survived the blast and escaped into the outer regions. Revan and Alek took a single frigate to pursue to ship but lost it, stubling upon a lost world known as Drummond Kaas. They were honored as guests by the Sith Emperor who corrupted their pure minds by convincing them to return to the Republic as a vanguard for his return. He gave them three Sith built cruisers and some of his best men and with their new ships and their old one, returned to the Republic. To avoid suspision, he left his ships off of Malachor and returned to Dantooine where they found a star map which led to more on other planets which ultimately led to the finding of the Star Forge. After making dealings with the Elders and eventually betraying them to help the Black Rakata, Revan began using the Star Forge to clone his ships and corrupting the Revanchist soldiers that served with him during the Mandalorian Wars and even more Republic troops and Officers. Revan had plans of turning this into his own personal empire.

Sith: After corrupting many Star Systems to join his Alliance, Revan and Malak built an invincible armada from the Star Forge and commanded what was once 1/3 of the Republic fleet along with many more ships being built by the hour. He felt that his final victory against the Republic would be a siege of Corosaunt itself, so he ordered a rendevouz with Malak to combine their fleets at an asteroid belt in the mid rim. Instead of assisting his master, Malak betrayed him and fired upon his flagship "killing" his master. At the same time, a small republic strike force consisting of three frigates and a shuttle full of Jedi Boarded Revan's ship attempting to capture him but Bastila managed to salvage his body. Thus was the end of Revan's reign and Malak took control of his former master's empire.

Redeemed. The Jedi Council thought it was best to erase his memory in hopes he would become a lowly officer aboard a starship, but things took a turn for the worst when his ship was ambushed over the planet of Taris a bout a year after his demise. Revan, called by his birth name at this point, managed to escape the burning ship with his friend and fellow officer, the ship's captain, Carth Onasi. They stayed on Taris for several days while they searched for Bastila Shan, and along the way met new friends such as Mission Vao ad her friend Zaalbar along with the droid T3-M4 and Canderous, a Mandalorian mercanary and war veteran. They escaped in his employer, mafia leader Davik Kang's flagship Ebon Hawk to Dantooine where they were given orders by the council to take the ship and it's new crew to follow in Revan's footsteps after stumbling upon ruins in a grove which housed a star map. They were also given orders to have Juhani, a Cathar padawan, to join Revan and Carth's crew (they were join captains of the mission along with Bastila Shan). They also recruited the help of HK-47 on Tatooine and Jolee Bindo, a grey jedi from Kayshyyyk. After being captured by Darth Malak and learning his identity, Bastila was captured and after finding the last star map they found Rakata Prime and destroyed the Star Forge and turned Bastila back to the light side. He was honored as a hero from this point on.

Aftermath: Nothing is really known what heppened to Revan after the star forge. Some say that he left for the outer regions and was killed, others say he returned after finding whatever it was he was looking for. I like to think that he returned to be with Bastila, but there is still a chance he died out there. He was either looking to make peace with his past on his homeworld, trying to destroy the remnents of his and Malaks forces, trying to hunt down the Mandalorian ship he never had a chance to find, or challenge the Sith Emperor. Perhaps it was even a mixture of everything.He did manage to stall the invasion back another three centuries, but the Republic was not ready for such a devastating blow. what happens next will be answered in my following report.




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