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Old 06-18-2010, 09:27 AM   #81
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As far as folding goes. I ONLY do it when my computer is idle. If I need to use the comp for any reason, then I switch it off.

However, I keep my comps on 24/7 so this may not apply to you or others.

I believe there is a setting in F@H where you can set the priority of folding where it won't use as many (or any) cycles if you are doing something else however. At work, so I can't look at my settings to say for sure
So basically, only run the program when I'm sleeping or at school/work.


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Old 06-18-2010, 09:30 AM   #82
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So basically, only run the program when I'm sleeping or at school/work.
Pretty much my workflow... hehehe


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Old 06-18-2010, 11:13 AM   #83
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Another quick question, Just a minute ago when I minimized my Internet to check the progress of the Folder it said something like 12830408012 ns / Day then went down to 312 ns / Day. Is this a bug?


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Old 06-18-2010, 12:50 PM   #84
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I wouldn't pay much attention the the viewer Zimm. If you really want to monitor your progress, either follow the log directly or install FahMon The viewer is just for showing off really, and on the GPU client, actually reduces folding performance if you leave it on.

As you have a GPU client, you may also want to keep an eye on your temps and such. EVGA Precision is a nice little app you can use, and you generally dont need an EVGA card to run it



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Old 06-18-2010, 01:38 PM   #85
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I wouldn't pay much attention the the viewer Zimm. If you really want to monitor your progress, either follow the log directly or install FahMon The viewer is just for showing off really, and on the GPU client, actually reduces folding performance if you leave it on.

As you have a GPU client, you may also want to keep an eye on your temps and such. EVGA Precision is a nice little app you can use, and you generally dont need an EVGA card to run it



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Old 06-18-2010, 04:37 PM   #86
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^^^ Good to know. Just joined the team, currently folding on my xp rig using the cpu client (core2duo 2.13ghz), as I learned the gpu client would not be all that great with my chintzy geforce 210.

This pc will be folding almost all the time, as I rarely game when working (which is always these days) and if I do, it will be ME2 on the new rig, or some PS3.

I will be folding with my new htpc rig (see the good M$ support thread) and am curious about which client I should use on it.

i7 860 vs 250gt? Which will be more productive? I seem to recall some folders dual-folding with cpu and gpu clients?

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Old 06-19-2010, 12:50 AM   #87
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Hello Glen! welcome to teamLFN!

The most productive client to use on CPUs is the SMP client. See the f@h High Performance Clients page for more info

You can indeed have separate CPU and GPU clients - as the GPU client does not draw on the CPU much. The only issues here are heat, and usability of your pc. In alot of instances, its quite feasible to have your GPU client running and still do most normal PC tasks, but if the CPU clients are running, this is diminished, particularly if you have all cores chipping in.

From a work perspective, the clients which get the most done are in this order:

GPU nv>GPU ati>PS3>CPU(SMP)>CPU std

I dont have that kit specifically, but I'd imagine your 250GT would probably match all for cores of your i7 running at full pelt - and leave you with a usable PC for non gaming activities.

If it is a HTPC, you generally don't want anything running if that rig is recording TV. You can set windows task scheduler to run the f@h client at certain times when you know it wont be doing any recording.

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Old 06-20-2010, 11:32 PM   #88
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The most productive client to use on CPUs is the SMP client.
Good to know. I missed the SMP client, and will need to install it as soon as my current work unit is complete... it is the largest my machine has taken on yet, a 2500 piece puzzle. But, three down WU's down
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GPU nv>GPU ati>PS3>CPU(SMP)>CPU std
Do people actually fold with their PS3's? I have considered it, but I am not one to leave that thing running... my concern would be wear & tear. Am I being wimpy?
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If it is a HTPC, you generally don't want anything running if that rig is recording TV. You can set windows task scheduler to run the f@h client at certain times when you know it wont be doing any recording.
It is an HTPC build, but it is not getting much HTPC use yet, as we still have our Comcrap DVR. Soon to be a thing of the past I will not be using it for much recording of tv though, as we are about to drop our cable tv subscription and get netflix. Free basic cable comes with the new apartment, so net we save $40 and get to watch movies we choose. How novel.
Regardless, and back on topic, I will be folding with the high performance nvidia gpu client by the end of the week. Looking at the team, I can catch a good many of these cats, but the top three are sick! In a helpful, protein folding sort-of-way I am oddly proud of being a part of this... and am trying to get more folks interested. Thank you, Team LFN, for raising my awareness!


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Old 06-21-2010, 11:07 AM   #89
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Do people actually fold with their PS3's? I have considered it, but I am not one to leave that thing running... my concern would be wear & tear. Am I being wimpy?
I run mine constantly as unless I'm watching a Blu-Ray.. the PS3 gets no action ( <3 Xbox ) Now, if you actually USE the PS3, keep in mind it's either folding OR gaming as folding ties the entire system up.

Heat so far has been a non-issue.. however my entertainment system setup is all open air, tiered glass shelving (no sides). Probably why I've never had a RRoD either (cross fingers)...

Enclosed shelves or boxes might generate more of a buildup.


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Old 06-21-2010, 12:26 PM   #90
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Do people actually fold with their PS3's? I have considered it, but I am not one to leave that thing running... my concern would be wear & tear. Am I being wimpy
I understand the reservation, though do like to remind people that the PS3 client was a collaboration between Sony and stanford university - it's not a homebrew by some scary hairy scene guys

Hence, it is designed to not destroy everyones ps3. Chainz' point about ventilation however, is an excellent one - though IIRC you do electrical setups - so I'm sure you are more than aware of that consideration

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I am oddly proud of being a part of this... and am trying to get more folks interested. Thank you, Team LFN, for raising my awareness!
Nothing odd about it! It's a great cause and easy to contribute to The fact that we have maintained our plateau position for so long indicates that we have a nice dedicated team

It's great to spread the word and get others interested Even if they want to fold for themselves or another team, the nett result is still a positive one.

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Old 06-21-2010, 08:39 PM   #91
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Good info on the PS3 client, ChAiNz and Astro... I think I will leave it alone, as an SMP on my 2.13 C2D and the nV client on my 250gt should keep me satisfied.

Ventilation is never an issue As you surmised Astro, I cannot help to be obsessed with such things.... it is not good to watch a 20KW Mole-Richardson HMI explode due to my rigging in a poor airflow position == unemployment!

EDIT: Uh, ok. Now I see that the more POWA you have, the larger assignments you are given. The GPU client destroys my standard C2D client... chewing up a hundred parcels a minute! I guess I will see how much the SMP client improves my performance on this PC.


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Old 06-22-2010, 09:45 AM   #92
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I will see how much the SMP client improves my performance on this PC.
The SMP client, whilst impressive for a CPU setup, really taxes your system, and gets through relatively less for the power it has drawn. Our greatest SMP star folder is tk102. I know he used the SMP client alot, but as we haven't heard from him in a while, I'm not sure what he is currently using.

EVen though he is aloof from the forums atm - its great to see his rig is still folding away for teamLFN.

kudos to tk, wherever he may be! (likely in his workshop making some crazy glasses)

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Old 06-22-2010, 07:16 PM   #93
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The SMP client, whilst impressive for a CPU setup, really taxes your system
Ok, cool. I think I will be satisfied then with the standard CPU client on this rig, with the HighPer nV client on the 250gts. If I get really crazy, I can always fire up the PS3
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EVen though he is aloof from the forums atm - its great to see his rig is still folding away for teamLFN.

kudos to tk, wherever he may be! (likely in his workshop making some crazy glasses)
I see tk102 up there, and it is impressive that he has racked up so many WU's using CPU power only.... as well as it's impressive that he might be in a workshop somewhere, working away. Always been a big fan of the guy... helpful, generous with his free time and to the community in so many ways.

EDIT: Er, just found the social group. My ruminations on folding will be continuing there, unless someone stuffs a donut in my mouth :hungry:


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Old 06-25-2010, 12:48 PM   #94
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Professor Vijay Pande just posted an update on the f@h blog. The v7 client is about to start a limited alpha - looks like they are integrated multicore GPU setups natively - finally!

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Here's an update on our v7 client efforts. The v7 client is a complete re-write in order to make the client more reliable, simple to maintain, and easier to include features that donors have requested. The first versions will not have everything that donors have asked for, but there will be some significant changes, such as the integration of classic, SMP, and GPU clients, the ability for a single client to handle all of these (eg multi-core + GPU) simultaneously (via multiple cores), a cleaner and more reliable GUI, much better and sophisticated tools for 3rd party developers, and in time the ability to use the FAH client to manage multiple machines easily.

The console version of the v7 client has gone through internal testing and we're starting a very limited alpha release. There are definitely some rough edges, but I'm excited to see it get this far. Assuming there are no show stoppers, I hope that we'll have something ready for open beta testing in a month or two, maybe sooner.
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Old 06-26-2010, 11:17 AM   #95
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Professor Vijay Pande just posted an update on the f@h blog. The v7 client is about to start a limited alpha - looks like they are integrated multicore GPU setups natively - finally!
Hmmm... I hope you're right but I interpreted the "multicore + GPU" to mean integration of the SMP and GPU clients. Of course it would be helpful if one client could run on multiple GPU's as well. It definitely sounds like the v7 client will bring welcomed improvements.


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Hmmm... I hope you're right but I interpreted the "multicore + GPU" to mean integration of the SMP and GPU clients. Of course it would be helpful if one client could run on multiple GPU's as well. It definitely sounds like the v7 client will bring welcomed improvements.
I hope they do have integrated multi GPU setups, it seriously is a PITA to set up.. two sets of clients with separate shortcuts modified to point to diffferent folders and tagged with with the -gpu flag, you then need to repeat this flag business in the client config \o/

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Old 07-11-2010, 12:33 AM   #97
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An official teamLFN welcome to HockeyGoalie35, who came to techforum for some graphics card help and enjoyed the service so much, he decided to chip in some WUs to the folding@home project.

good stuff!

Also, for those that are curious, I can now answer the question everyone has been asking:

NO. Stanford do NOT send you a limousine full of women when you reach the 2million point mark

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NO. Standford do NOT send you a limousine full of women when you reach the 2million point mark
That's it. I quit.

Got back from vaycay only to find out my comp client (and entire pc) seized up.. sigh. Problem has been fixed and chomping away the numbers again

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Old 07-15-2010, 10:43 AM   #100
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HG35 has been tearing up the WUs since acquiring the 9800!

Also, a special welcome to acdcfanbill and his new 470, our first official Fermi Folder!

Great stuff!

BTW, EVGA Precision 1.95 is out Love its profile hotkeys!

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Old 07-15-2010, 10:52 PM   #101
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Aw, man, I was just about to post in the Hardware Recommendations thread that I'd just found this idiotic deal on an EVGA 470 ($215!) for him. I'll bet that he doesn't want to see that now.

Anyway, is there a nice, simple guide available to get F@H to run on both GPUs in an SLI rig?


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Old 07-16-2010, 01:26 AM   #102
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well crud I'm still extremely happy with the card so far, it does a WU in about 80 mins and mows down any game i've thrown at it so far.

mutli-gpu guide - http://folding.stanford.edu/English/WinGPUGuide#ntoc4

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Anyway, is there a nice, simple guide available to get F@H to run on both GPUs in an SLI rig?
I'm happy to walk you through it Q. I found the other guides haphazard, so have put together the guts of what you need to know below with visual aids, which are always the most helpful to me

Here's what you need for starters

Multiple Displays Recognised
*Outputs from each GPU need to be enabled, this is easiest if you happen to have two monitors, but for those that don't - you can construct a dummy plug that will make your nvidia CP think there is a second display.

I know you'll have no probs with it - so here's the famous 30 second dummy plug guide

Once you get your nvidia control panel to recognise two displays, make sure they arent in clone mode. This may possible be different seeing you have separate cards, but Ive noticed this with my 295 and the more recent drivers.

Install The Client
Install folding@home. Only install the new client if you have a Fermi card, If not, stick to the stable 6.23

>>Next, enable hidden folders in windows. I think you know how to do that, but let me know if you dont! This is so that you can find the actual folder that does contains the guts of the client, so that it can be replicated for the second GPU. It actually isnt in C/program files, but in:

C/Users/USERNAME/AppData/Roaming/

Where USERNAME is of course whatever your windows account name is

In this Roaming folder you will see the folding@homegpu folder, simply copy and paste a second one and rename it with a 2 at the end.



To ensure you havent doubled up and are using both cards to work on same work unit, make sure the files highlighted in the blue square are NOT in the second folder you have created.

Setting Up The Shortcuts

I wish someone spelt it out easily to me.... this is where I got stuck for a bit, but once you see it visually - it makes sense.

You need to create a custom shortcuts FOR EACH CLIENT - Go to the folding folder in Program files, and R.Click the exe to make a new shortcut. Then R.click the the shortcut, and select Properties to adjust its parameters. Target and Start In are what you are looking at



Target: Your folding folder in Program Files. The location doesn't need to be changed but you need to add the -gpu X flag after it, corresponding to that number you put into the config

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"C:\Program Files\Folding@home\Folding@home-gpu\Folding@home.exe" -gpu 0
Start In: >> This is what you need to change from the default, to your folding folder in the usually hidden folder in AppData/Roaming

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"C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Folding@home-gpu"
Hence, you need to create Two shortcuts, one for each GPU.

One shortcut's "Start in" points to the first folding@home-gpu folder in AppData/Roaming, and the second points to the second folder you created in there.


Setting Up The Multiple Clients Config
To get to the clients config, start a client from teh new shortcuts you have created. You will see a coloured icon(s) on the system tray >>R click the folding icon in the system tray when it is running(or it usually comes up automatically after a fresh install) You have to do this twice of course, once for each client.

Under the USER tab(not pictured_ you will need to put in your username and our team number of course: 140370.

For the CONNECTION and ADVANCED Tabs:

Is is essential you get the insert the -gpu X flag (where x is whatever corresponding number to what you set up in the folding client config)

Hence
1st CARD/GPU: Config: says -gpu 0 in parameters and in the shortcut
2nd CARD/GPU: Config says -gpu 1 in parameters and in the shortcut

Also ensure each machine has a different ID in the config



Once all that is done, THATS IT!

To test it, set up a folding monitor such as FahMon and set up client monitoring corresponding to each folder in AppData Roaming.



Good Luck - let us know if anything needs clarifying

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Old 07-16-2010, 02:20 AM   #104
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Now that's what I'm talking about. Thanks!

LOL I've never seen that dummy plug mod before.


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Um, I have a question. I'd like to join, but will this still work with my Raedon 5650 HD? I read somewhere that its better to run on computers with nVidia cards.


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Um, I have a question. I'd like to join, but will this still work with my Raedon 5650 HD? I read somewhere that its better to run on computers with nVidia cards.
Hello RC - at present, the GPU client does get through more calculations on an nvidia card than an ATI card, but ATI cards still get through more than a CPU client.

Any contribution is a good one, for a great cause. If you would like to read more about ATI setups, the FAQ is here

Basically, you would also download the 6.23 client, and setup as normal with username and team number. The client should take care of the rest.

Let us know if you need any further experience. Remember, contributing 50WUs to teamLFN will get you the unique and sexy folders badge

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Old 07-16-2010, 08:05 AM   #107
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Okay, I downloaded it and installed it, set up with my username and the team number, but when I mouse over the system tray icon it keeps giving a "F@H Core Download error (#)" and the number keeps increasing. I think it may be sum issue with the network connection. How do I solve this?


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Old 07-16-2010, 08:20 AM   #108
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did you download 6.23?

Also, make sure your firewall isnt blocking the folding client.

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Old 07-16-2010, 08:35 AM   #109
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Ok I think it's working now. Googled it. Seems since I run Windows 7 I've to cut the F@H folder from the Program Files to the C: directory. It successfully downloaded a work packet and folding's underway.



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Old 07-16-2010, 12:08 PM   #110
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Great stuff RC-1162 Welcome to teamLFN.

I now recall having a similar error to your one when I switched to W7. I got around by setting the shortcuts to "run as admin", which the solution you found is a workaround of(running things from C/ instead of program files does not need admin permissions)

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Old 07-17-2010, 12:26 PM   #111
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Old 07-21-2010, 01:57 AM   #112
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Now, will this work while my computer is asleep?



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Old 07-21-2010, 02:07 AM   #113
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Now, will this work while my computer is asleep?
Considering the GPU or CPU client will stress those respective processors at up to 100% The answer is a definite no (see the EVGA precision pic above showing 95% usage)

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Ok, and how about multiple PC's?



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Ok, and how about multiple PC's?
Thats not an issue at all You can have a client set up on any compatible system. just make sure you select the right client depending on your hardware and OS. To make sure all the points go to the same account name and team, ensure the config on each machine is set the same.

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Thanks chainz! I never got to wear a badge 'round here before....

@acdcfanbill: Holy crap! That fermi card is unbelievable... I had my gts250, my ps3, and a cpu client on this C2D2.13 rig, all running at max, and you still were pulling away from me... with only one client!!! That thing is awesome, and now you have me shopping for a fermi...

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@acdcfanbill: Holy crap! That fermi card is unbelievable... I had my gts250, my ps3, and a cpu client on this C2D2.13 rig, all running at max, and you still were pulling away from me... with only one client!!! That thing is awesome, and now you have me shopping for a fermi...
Yea, I like it so far, though I might like it more had I found it for $215 I usually run it about 9-10 hrs a day, basically, start it before I leave for work, and 'Pause when done...' when I get home so I can game or w/e. I leave it off when I sleep too since leaving the computer on raises the temp in my room (same room as I sleep in).

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