Hey fanboys! George Lucas says STFU.

[Alexrd]

There is also this thread.

[Primogen]

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Do you have a list of stuff you find ludicrous in Star Wars? If so, how do the following rank? :
- a force field that can be manipulated by individuals into generating lightning, moving objects telekinetically, choking people and sensing distant phenomenon.
- Laser weapons that seem to shoot projectiles slower than ballistic weapons.
- A laser sword that can deflect other laser shots.
- A space station designed in such a way that a guided torpedo can blow it entirely to bits.
- Droids that move with the flexibility of a mannequin, used by civilizations that have mastered hyperspace travel, holograms, perfect prosthetics and other scientific feats.

tl;dr Star Wars is ludicrous.

The Force isn't a force field, it's an energy field. They're different.

Blasters aren't laser weapons, they're blaster weapons.

A lightsaber isn't a laser weapon either, and neither are blasters.

You'll find that if you put a high-powered explosive into the perfect place on most things, it'll destroy it.

And C-3PO didn't need very much flexibility, he's built for protocol and diplomacy, not combat. Notice that Battle Droids are shown to be significantly less inflexible. C-3PO is designed to be nonthreatening.

[Alexrd]

Originally Posted by Primogen

The Force isn't a force field, it's an energy field. They're different.

Blasters aren't laser weapons, they're blaster weapons.

A lightsaber isn't a laser weapon either, and neither are blasters.

You'll find that if you put a high-powered explosive into the perfect place on most things, it'll destroy it.

And C-3PO didn't need very much flexibility, he's built for protocol and diplomacy, not combat. Notice that Battle Droids are shown to be significantly less inflexible. C-3PO is designed to be nonthreatening.

[Sabretooth]

Originally Posted by Primogen

The Force isn't a force field, it's an energy field. They're different.

Blasters aren't laser weapons, they're blaster weapons.

A lightsaber isn't a laser weapon either, and neither are blasters.

You'll find that if you put a high-powered explosive into the perfect place on most things, it'll destroy it.

And C-3PO didn't need very much flexibility, he's built for protocol and diplomacy, not combat. Notice that Battle Droids are shown to be significantly less inflexible. C-3PO is designed to be nonthreatening.

Oh you loveable little troll you :3

[mstr kenobi]

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

Do you have a list of stuff you find ludicrous in Star Wars? If so, how do the following rank? :
- a force field that can be manipulated by individuals into generating lightning, moving objects telekinetically, choking people and sensing distant phenomenon.
- Laser weapons that seem to shoot projectiles slower than ballistic weapons.
- A laser sword that can deflect other laser shots.
- A space station designed in such a way that a guided torpedo can blow it entirely to bits.
- Droids that move with the flexibility of a mannequin, used by civilizations that have mastered hyperspace travel, holograms, perfect prosthetics and other scientific feats.

tl;dr Star Wars is ludicrous.

Sure, it seems kinda difficult, (right now, who knows in the future...) to create a laser beam that reflects on itself and has solid properties to boot. Or people that move things with their minds (have you seen the science of Mass Effect though? don't dismiss everything)
But those things are kinda of the main point of this universe, sure the force seems unreal, but then i'll have to criticise Spiderman cause i've never heard of someone who can stick to walls like that...


Because Jedi, Lightsabers and the force (plus space travel) are the whole premise of this universe i can't criticise them for being unrealistic, we are in this universe where there is the force.


Not the droids or the Deathstar design flaw though (even though this in particular, even in the movie itself is said to be a rather stupid design oversight, kinda of explaining it) , Droid tech being that bad sounds stupid, i agree, there's no "in this universe robot designers suck" explanation possible here.
Same thing my problem with people understanding the Wookies, they haven't given me an explanation of how people discerne the grows.


Linkformer, first, i've kinda let Han go
Secondly, I'm not sure how much of a verbal conversation you are actually having, i'm sure you understand when they like/dislike what you just did or when they need something. Wouldn't you say it would be terribly difficult to have a Star Wars conversation with them for example?
And third, sure, through time, you are able to identify some distinct "sounds" that they make that help put sense in what they are saying, which no matter how much i watch Star Wars i can't do with Chewie.


About the dogs thing, dogs are unable to communicate verbally , even to each other (not the case with Wookies), They make sounds, smell things, and physically demonstrate what they are looking for.

Barking itself means nothing, but barking pointed towards the door means there's something behind that door.

[Alexrd]

Originally Posted by mstr kenobi

Barking itself means nothing,

How do you know?

[Primogen]

I believe the Lightsaber has been stated to be a plasma chainsaw contained by a magnetic field. Which is awesome.

[Lynk Former]

Originally Posted by mstr kenobi

Linkformer

Is it so hard to remember "Lynk Former" when the name is right there? And besides, people should just call me "Lynk"...

Secondly, I'm not sure how much of a verbal conversation you are actually having, i'm sure you understand when they like/dislike what you just did or when they need something. Wouldn't you say it would be terribly difficult to have a Star Wars conversation with them for example?
And third, sure, through time, you are able to identify some distinct "sounds" that they make that help put sense in what they are saying, which no matter how much i watch Star Wars i can't do with Chewie.

I understand my parents just fine and they choose to speak Hindi to me about everything. I understand them even when its a complex conversation just as long as they don't talk too fast. Some other Indians who speak Hindi to me don't realise that I can't understand them if they start talking too fast so I kind of get lost when they do.

Anyway, I have the same kinds of conversations with my parents as I do with everyone else who speaks English to me. There is no difference other than my brain working a little harder to interpret.

As for Chewie... he isn't Han's pet dog, he's a sentient being from a very advanced culture and has a language which is pretty complex based on everything we know about Wookiees through Star Wars canon. Han has spent many years with Chewie and over time he's developed an understanding of the Wookiee language. He can't speak it himself because he doesn't have the physical capabilities as a human, but he understands it.

How is that so hard to understand? There are many Africans who have that strange click-pop language going on that is far beyond me in terms of what the hell they're saying or how to do it myself, but that doesn't mean they're a bunch of dogs who only express emotional states. It's just a different culture who has developed a different form of language that seems alien to the rest of us.

So yeah, based on my own experience and what I know, I wouldn't say that this particular thing in the Star Wars universe is strange at all.



Also, just to point this out, but Luke (and Anakin before him) does it with Artoo as well, but only after he gets to know the droid

[Liverandbacon]

I know I'm sometimes guilty of this as well, but looking for scientific plausibility for any aspect of Star Wars invariably results in the realization that if such plausibility were required, almost nothing in the films would work.

With its story and themes, Star Wars feels more like fantasy than science fiction anyway. I now think of it as Space Fantasy (since fantasy doesn't need to be quasi-medieval).

[Alexrd]

Originally Posted by Liverandbacon

Star Wars feels more like fantasy than science fiction anyway. I now think of it as Space Fantasy (since fantasy doesn't need to be quasi-medieval).

Star Wars was always fantasy, not science fiction.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Alexrd

Star Wars was always fantasy, not science fiction.

This.

[Liverandbacon]

Originally Posted by Alexrd

Star Wars was always fantasy, not science fiction.

While I agree, most still call it sci-fi, just because it's in space.

[Mav]

Originally Posted by Liverandbacon

While I agree, most still call it sci-fi, just because it's in space.

Would you call a shemale a chick just because it has tits?

[mstr kenobi]

Originally Posted by Lynk Former

Is it so hard to remember "Lynk Former" when the name is right there? And besides, people should just call me "Lynk".

Sorry, Lynk it is.

I understand my parents just fine and they choose to speak Hindi to me about everything. I understand them even when its a complex conversation just as long as they don't talk too fast. Some other Indians who speak Hindi to me don't realise that I can't understand them if they start talking too fast so I kind of get lost when they do.

Anyway, I have the same kinds of conversations with my parents as I do with everyone else who speaks English to me. There is no difference other than my brain working a little harder to interpret.

You left me with doubts with the way you said it, that you can't really translate what they are saying, so i was confused about what extent you were talking about, now it's clear what you mean.

I have cousins of Japanese decent, and they speak just a few words because no one but their grandma talks to them in japanese, they can take care of their grandma and survive, but they can't really talk to her, i thought you were on the same boat, but i was wrong.

As for Chewie... he isn't Han's pet dog, he's a sentient being from a very advanced culture and has a language which is pretty complex based on everything we know about Wookiees through Star Wars canon. Han has spent many years with Chewie and over time he's developed an understanding of the Wookiee language. He can't speak it himself because he doesn't have the physical capabilities as a human, but he understands it.

How is that so hard to understand? There are many Africans who have that strange click-pop language going on that is far beyond me in terms of what the hell they're saying or how to do it myself, but that doesn't mean they're a bunch of dogs who only express emotional states. It's just a different culture who has developed a different form of language that seems alien to the rest of us.

So yeah, based on my own experience and what I know, I wouldn't say that this particular thing in the Star Wars universe is strange at all.

Well, when talking about dogs i've added that Wookies aren't like dogs, they are capable of simple verbal communication (heck first thing Chewie does on screen is have a quick chat with Obi Wan), I've also said that i let Han slide, it kinda makes sense for him to be able to figure at least something out.
Not sure about the others though.
Wookies, although intelligent, aren't always treated like that throughout the movies, and the fact that we don't see any of them (out of their homeworld of course) make they seem a bit reclusive.

But yeah your personal experience, now that it's fully fleshed out, changes things a bit.
You really don't know anything that makes it easier for you? Sometimes a just a few words helps a lot.

Also, just to point this out, but Luke (and Anakin before him) does it with Artoo as well, but only after he gets to know the droid

I've always thought, that the only time they had direct, you ask> i answer conversations , was through the ship display, i might be wrong.

R2 "speech" pattern would probably be some kind of morse code anyway.

How do you know?

Well, dogs aren't capable of simple verbal communication, not to humans, not to other dogs.
A dog's bark is a (small) part of their ways of communicating, and not a form of communication in on itself. This is common knowledge about dogs.

[Lynk Former]

@ mstr kenobi: Actually, you'll notice that most of the people who talk directly to Wookiees are Jedi. Also, Han has been around Chewie for a long time so he gets what he's saying since he understands the language. Same with Lando as well since the three were friends for a long time before the movies.

Other times, like with Leia, she gives Chewie orders and he acknowledges but she never really has a conversation with him since she's not as adept with the Force to communicate as well with Chewie as Yoda, Obi-wan and Luke seem to, or have the experience with his language to understand him as Han does.

Also, as I said before, Wookiees are technologically advanced and have created their own technology. Their form of communication is definitely more than just simple verbal communication. In all likelihood, it's a language that consists of great subtlety and other factors of non-verbal communication that come into play as well.

[mstr kenobi]

Originally Posted by Lynk Former

@ mstr kenobi: Actually, you'll notice that most of the people who talk directly to Wookiees are Jedi. Also, Han has been around Chewie for a long time so he gets what he's saying since he understands the language. Same with Lando as well since the three were friends for a long time before the movies.

Other times, like with Leia, she gives Chewie orders and he acknowledges but she never really has a conversation with him since she's not as adept with the Force to communicate as well with Chewie as Yoda, Obi-wan and Luke seem to, or have the experience with his language to understand him as Han does.

Also, as I said before, Wookiees are technologically advanced and have created their own technology. Their form of communication is definitely more than just simple verbal communication. In all likelihood, it's a language that consists of great subtlety and other factors of non-verbal communication that come into play as well.

I don't quite like it the "force translation" power, but i can live with it (it already explains almost every other thing that wouldn't make a whole lot of sense).
I can see Yoda able to communicate as well, he has good relations with the Wookies .

Not sure if i buy the non-verbal part, Chewbacca communicates just fine without relying on pointing and signs, and if he uses things likes scents to communicate to other Wookies that wouldn't be a easy thing for humans to detect (perhaps if you have force translate it becomes easier ).
Most communication he does in the movies is through verbal means.

[Lynk Former]

Originally Posted by mstr kenobi

Not sure if i buy the non-verbal part, Chewbacca communicates just fine without relying on pointing and signs, and if he uses things likes scents to communicate to other Wookies that wouldn't be a easy thing for humans to detect (perhaps if you have force translate it becomes easier ).
Most communication he does in the movies is through verbal means.

I'm going to have to explain a few things... I'm a student of media and communication so I've been learning about all this kind of stuff for the last few years.

Non-verbal communication isn't necessarily something that's noticeable. EVERYONE, every single one of us engages in non-verbal communication whether we realise it or not and different cultures have different ways of expressing it.

People, including made up characters because they're either being played by people or are created by people to be interpreted by other people, all have forms of non-verbal communication. The characters who feel the most real are the ones that have been created with this in mind. Why? Because humans CAN detect subtle forms of non-verbal communication. Most people just don't notice it consciously, but everyone can interpret (and misinterpret) it.

[Primogen]

Originally Posted by Mav

Would you call a shemale a chick just because it has tits?

Okay, just gonna let you in on a little secret - despite what you may have seen on porn sites, one, shemale is considered somewhat of an offensive term. I believe they're properly called Male-to-Female Transsexuals. And yes, I would call them a woman.

[Working Class Hero]

Originally Posted by Primogen

words

Gerevick makes more sense than you do.

[mstr kenobi]

Originally Posted by Lynk Former

I'm going to have to explain a few things... I'm a student of media and communication so I've been learning about all this kind of stuff for the last few years.

Non-verbal communication isn't necessarily something that's noticeable. EVERYONE, every single one of us engages in non-verbal communication whether we realise it or not and different cultures have different ways of expressing it.

People, including made up characters because they're either being played by people or are created by people to be interpreted by other people, all have forms of non-verbal communication. The characters who feel the most real are the ones that have been created with this in mind. Why? Because humans CAN detect subtle forms of non-verbal communication. Most people just don't notice it consciously, but everyone can interpret (and misinterpret) it.

I understand, and you are right non-verbal communication is happening all the time even simultaneously with the verbal communication.

What i was saying is the fact that Chewie is from a different species might make it more difficult for humans to detect.

A dog in heat emits a scent that drives the males berserk, but i can't detect that... i have to see blood to know.

[Liverandbacon]

The Star Wars galaxy is contained inside a TARDIS, so everyone gets universal translation. When people can't understand other languages, it's just TARDIS glitches. Are you all happy now?

Originally Posted by Mav

Would you call a shemale a chick just because it has tits?

I'm really not sure why you seem to be trying to argue with me, when it's pretty clear that we're in agreement. Nothing you say to me will change the fact that an unfortunately large number of people consider SW sci fi, even though it isn't. I'd recommend you center your efforts on them instead.

[Sabretooth]

Originally Posted by Working Class Hero

Gerevick makes more sense than you do.

I suggest you do not mock Gerevick. He is entirely serious about his threats and unafraid to carry them out to whatever length he may find necessary. This will be your final warning.

[Liverandbacon]

Originally Posted by Sabretooth

I suggest you do not mock Gerevick. He is entirely serious about his threats and unafraid to carry them out to whatever length he may find necessary. This will be your final warning.

It is intriguing sometimes to ponder whether Gerevick has witnessed WCH's inappropriate attempt at levity. Perhaps all that prevents WCH's untimely end is the reliance Gerevick's traveling spirit has on its Earthly host. In any case, WCH should count himself fortunate that Gerevick is focused primarily on expanding his power base in the Catalan region, with forum matters taking a low priority. Further impudence would likely result in Gerevick's disfavor, something WCH would be wise to avoid. He has little patience for the light-hearted, and will not hesitate to take a life.

[Boba Rhett]

WTFamIreading.jpg

Srsly, guys.

[Lynk Former]

@ mstr kenobi: Except humans have eyes to see the body language of Wookies but lack to olfactory sensitivity to detect smells as dogs do. One can learn the non-verbal communication of another culture and other species (since we already do this in real life with animals), but as much as we want to, we can't really do anything to change our physiology to match a dogs sense of smell.


@ Rhett: iknorite lol. I'm that bored.

[Alexrd]

So, two days to go...

[Trench]

Originally Posted by mstr kenobi

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shyriiwook
/pointlessArgument

[adamqd]

tl;dr, Space Opera, and wookiees have 150 words for wood, bit more than just barking.

[Lynk Former]

See, now if I was more Star Wars Geek and less Media Student, I would've just posted that link.



Also, I've been thinking about Star Wars Blu-ray... I hope they've redone all of the CG elements they added to the OT and improved them. They retextured Jabba in ANH but we all know that there's a lot of special edition added stuff that is very out of date and could be improved with this Blu-ray release.

Also, they MUST replace the ep1 puppet Yoda with a better CG Yoda They must.

[Astor]

Originally Posted by Lynk Former

Also, I've been thinking about Star Wars Blu-ray... I hope they've redone all of the CG elements they added to the OT and improved them. They retextured Jabba in ANH but we all know that there's a lot of special edition added stuff that is very out of date and could be improved with this Blu-ray release.

Yeah, as I said before in this thread -

Originally Posted by Me

I've criticised this Blu-Ray release before, but if they can either remove or at least make that awful CG sequence of the speeder entering Mos Eisley blend in properly with the rest of the film, It might be enough to swing it.

I hate that scene with a vengeance it's so jarringly crap and fake. It makes watching ANH really difficult for me.

That, pretty much. The rest of the CG additions really aren't so bad, but the ones in ANH are awful.

[Alexrd]

Originally Posted by Lynk Former

Also, they MUST replace the ep1 puppet Yoda with a better CG Yoda They must.

They've already done it.

Originally Posted by Astor

That, pretty much. The rest of the CG additions really aren't so bad, but the ones in ANH are awful.

Actually, that must be one of my favourite additions. Not the one with the rats on the floor, though. Just the open wide shot.

EDIT:

This one:

[Trench]

Originally Posted by Lynk Former

Also, they MUST replace the ep1 puppet Yoda with a better CG Yoda They must.

This. A million times this.

[Lynk Former]

Originally Posted by Alexrd

They've already done it.

You mean the easter egg on the making of documentary extra for the ep3 dvd?

[Alexrd]

Originally Posted by Lynk Former

You mean the easter egg on the making of documentary extra for the ep3 dvd?

Well, that too. The footage was shown on 'Star Wars in Concert' and has been confirmed to be on the new release of TPM.

[Lynk Former]

ah good.


now all they have to do is fix all the crap they did to the OT

[Alexrd]

And the inconsistent saber colours on Geonosis. (But since almost nobody noticed that, I bet they won't do it...)

[Mav]

They need to 'fix' Aayla Secura's death scene

[Taak Farst]

no thanks. i've spent more money on george lucas' scam **** than I have on tax.
which is nothing because im 14! *badum tish*

[Alexrd]

Scam?!

[Taak Farst]

Originally Posted by Alexrd

Scam?!

you heard me.
trust me, colors will be a little brighter, and the picture may be more crisp, but there is just no point in all this..