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Old 05-06-2011, 08:27 PM   #121
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Also it should be noted that it was a distinct possibility he had a suicide vest on... I mean it's not like terrorists have been opposed to blowing themselves up to take people out.
I really don't see Bin Ladin wearing a suicide vest as a distinct possibility. He always seemed more like let the other guy wear the vest type of guy.

Please don’t take that as an attack on the Seal that shot Bin Ladin because it is not. In life Bin Ladin seemed to approve of killing unarmed people, so I’m sure he would have approve of the Seal’s actions too.

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Old 05-06-2011, 09:45 PM   #122
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@ Taak Farst: 67 of your United Kingdom compatriots died in the 9/11 attacks, along with 24 Canadians, 11 Australians, and 271 other foreign nationals.

The families of your fellow citizens who died at the word of Bin Laden have finally received some measure of justice. I apologize to them on behalf of the US military and the gov't for it taking nearly 10 years.


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@Milt: I think you know my politics a little better than that... I am a big criticizer of my country of origin, and think that we have done things that are downright despicable. I still love the land where I live... it is home, the only one I have known. But I am no nationalist.

That makes us no different than all of the "powerful" nations or states in human history. Big power == big bad decisions, power plays, dirty pool, etc.

@Liverandbacon: fair point on why killing him was the better and more logical choice. I am a philosopher, not a tactician, and I have no experience as a soldier. I fight CQC, and well, but in a gunfight I am screwed. I do like Stratego though.

@Jae's post right above mine: great point - it was not simply Americans who suffered loss in that attack. Every one of those foreign nationals had families in there homeland who suffered a great deal. It was a tragedy that truly affected people around the world.


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Old 05-07-2011, 02:47 PM   #124
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Being unarmed has never stopped the US military before, why now?
Erm, sorry about that. Don't remember writing it but i assume i was trolling yah.

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Old 05-07-2011, 04:44 PM   #125
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Old 05-14-2011, 11:50 AM   #126
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The computers were just filled with porn.

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In Bin Ladin defense the women were wearing burkas.
Well, I guess it's "official" now: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-p...162214194.html But, hey, I guess if you were locked away in Pakistan w/his wives (judging from the pics).....porn might seem like an attractive distraction.


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Old 05-16-2011, 11:41 AM   #127
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kids, don't drink and debate.
Learnt that particular life lesson at uni. It all goes well at first, until people get pennied a few times, everyone's a few more pints in, and the debate gets steadily less logical and/or civil. But exponentially more entertaining to watch.

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Well, I guess it's "official" now: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-p...162214194.html But, hey, I guess if you were locked away in Pakistan w/his wives (judging from the pics).....porn might seem like an attractive distraction.
Religious fanatic terrorists often have copious amounts of porn (rather amusingly, it's mostly Western or messed up Japanese ****). I'm not a psychologist, but I'd wager some serious self-loathing is a not insignificant contributing factor to their habit of blowing themselves up in the name of righteousness.



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Old 05-26-2011, 02:02 PM   #128
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Religious fanatic terrorists often have copious amounts of porn (rather amusingly, it's mostly Western or messed up Japanese ****). I'm not a psychologist, but I'd wager some serious self-loathing is a not insignificant contributing factor to their habit of blowing themselves up in the name of righteousness.
Just imagine how many things would get blown up if they were promised 72 American style strippers instead of 72 virgins.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:22 PM   #129
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Just imagine how many things would get blown up if they were promised 72 American style strippers instead of 72 virgins.
I might convert


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Old 05-26-2011, 08:37 PM   #130
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American strippers?

I'd be -less- enticed. Strippers typically don't look all that great in decent light.

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Old 05-28-2011, 10:57 AM   #131
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American strippers?

I'd be -less- enticed. Strippers typically don't look all that great in decent light.
Agree with mim...
If you go to the strip clubs at night on a weekend, and it's not Joe McSloppy's you might actually see a few strippers that look pretty dang nice. Don't get me wrong, I know lots of strippers are fugly in broad daylight, but if you go to a better club you'll see better strippers...


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Old 05-28-2011, 01:24 PM   #132
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Only a bunch of sickos, hobos and fugly people would go to a worn out pub full of pervs and strippers at night//get married

And back to the whole point of the discussion no one can prove bin laden is dead
It could be an entire political hoax and that bin ladens colleges are saying hes dead so he can lie low "safely"

SHOW US THE PROOF OBAMA SHOW US PICTURES SHOW US THE SCENE

SHOW US THE TRUTH

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Old 05-28-2011, 02:45 PM   #133
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Well, Al Qaeda's had its say, now.

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It could be an entire political hoax and that bin ladens colleges are saying hes dead so he can lie low "safely"
Declaring a cover-up that their leader, icon and messiah is dead and capped shamefully by American elite soldiers in his own home, sounds like beyond shooting oneself in the foot.

While in the short term, reprisal attacks are expected from jehadi organisations worldwide, Osama's death is going to significantly demoralise the movement in the long run and the Al Qaeda knows it.

Besides, Osama was lying "safely" enough before his demise.


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Old 05-28-2011, 03:50 PM   #135
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Why is my government giving billions of dollars to ****ing Pakistan?!


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Old 05-28-2011, 03:55 PM   #136
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Because politicians are stupid, Q.


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Why is my government giving billions of dollars to ****ing Pakistan?!
To keep Bin Ladin safe?

Weren't some Americans critical of candidate Obama when he said as president he would strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan? Oh no, we can’t do that to a ally.
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Old 05-29-2011, 12:40 AM   #139
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Why is my government giving billions of dollars to ****ing Pakistan?!
Because Pakistan will implode without them / military coup, causing an added headache for India and essentially creating a fresh new Afghanistan scenario.

Speaking of which, this is a really good article about what's wrong with the ISI.


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Because politicians are stupid, Q.
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Only a bunch of sickos, hobos and fugly people would go to a worn out pub full of pervs and strippers at night//get married

And back to the whole point of the discussion no one can prove bin laden is dead
It could be an entire political hoax and that bin ladens colleges are saying hes dead so he can lie low "safely"

SHOW US THE PROOF OBAMA SHOW US PICTURES SHOW US THE SCENE

SHOW US THE TRUTH

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Obama isn't dumb enough to fake Osama's death. If it were faked, Osama could just release another tape proving he's alive, and score a big propaganda victory. Getting caught in that lie would kill any chance of Obama getting reelected. Osama was lying low pretty safely anyway, and many thought he was already dead.

It wasn't a hoax.



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Old 05-30-2011, 10:19 AM   #142
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Because politicians are stupid, Q.
i agree with that



and no offense to the president but it woudnt suprise me if he was tht dumb. of all the politicians ive seen hes the worst (in my opinion of course. its just that he is against all of my views and his solutions to problems seem to cause more problems)
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and no offense to the president but it woudnt suprise me if he was tht dumb. of all the politicians ive seen hes the worst
You need to see more politicians. Lots more politicians.


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Faking Osama's death would be a very bad idea for any President. The problems with the idea are obvious. Politicians generally make their painfully stupid decisions on issues that are highly divisive, will greatly help their reelection, or both. Faking Osama's death isn't in the interests of either political party, and would be disastrous for a politician's reelection goals if the truth came out (and it would be next to impossible to conceal the truth). Even if Obama was the mental equivalent of a vegetable (which he isn't), one of his advisers would catch the flaws in the plan, and it would be rejected.

Also, I think it's a mistake to assume that Obama is stupid. Is he wrong on a number of issues? That's open to opinion (I disagree with him on many issues, agree with him on others). However, he is not a stupid man. If university taught me anything, it's that people can be extraordinarily smart, while also being extraordinarily wrong.

He's dead, Jim.



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I for one believe he's dead. If the government claims he's dead, and the military claims he's dead, I believe it. Why? Simple. The military gains only a small bump in "ATTA BOY's" by saying he's gone. It would make more sense to have him dead and pretend he's alive. Maintaining a ruse that he's still alive would actually give them more reason to maintain business as usual and keep funding at current levels. He made an excellent "boogyman" for the government to scare us with.

It's too early in the election cycle for it to be for a re-election campaign. Americans are on the whole relatively fickle. A month or so and it's out of the news. A couple months later, and it's nearly forgotten. A whole year and a half and you might as well be talking about 8-track cassettes.

Besides, if you want to take some of the credit away from President Obama on this, just understand that it was information gathered from people he told the American people there was no reason to question, in prison camps that he said he would get rid of. That should keep the righties happy.


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Only a bunch of sickos, hobos and fugly people would go to a worn out pub full of pervs and strippers at night//get married

And back to the whole point of the discussion no one can prove bin laden is dead
It could be an entire political hoax and that bin ladens colleges are saying hes dead so he can lie low "safely"

SHOW US THE PROOF OBAMA SHOW US PICTURES SHOW US THE SCENE

SHOW US THE TRUTH

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What? DNA evidence isn't enough? The word of some of the best warriors America has to offer isn't enough?

I cannot comprehend this position at all. If DNA evidence, witnesses, and AQ saying that he's dead isn't enough, then a picture won't be either. If pictures were were released, there would just be cries of how they were photo shopped.

And as far as political motivations go, this isn't something that *could* be faked, much less actually pulled off. There are too many parties involved, each of the stories would have to match perfectly. Moreover, something on this scale couldn't just be called a little white lie. Even if you could fake an operation of this size, the dangers far outweigh the benefits.
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Pics or it didn't happen!

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I for one don't want to see no pics of a dead man, now if they want to release the porn he had on his computer then I would give that a look.
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And as far as political motivations go, this isn't something that *could* be faked, much less actually pulled off. There are too many parties involved, each of the stories would have to match perfectly. Moreover, something on this scale couldn't just be called a little white lie. Even if you could fake an operation of this size, the dangers far outweigh the benefits.
To the conspiritorially minded, nothing is impossible. The problem is, though, *pics, or it didn't happen*. If someone believes in the 911 truther stuff, how beyond the pale would this seem. I think enough people have become increasingly disillusioned with lying pols that they want some kind of proof beyond assurances and press releases. As has been pointed out, though, they might not accept such pics as definitive proof anyway. That Eagle won't land either....at least in their eyes.


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I think that you guys are missing something: you aren't considering that there are people like me who want to see the pictures and won't immediately cry photoshop. From visual proof, to seeing the effects of war, there are legit reasons to seeing pics like this.

Refusing to release them because you're afraid of the reactions of batty people is just catering to fear and hurts those, like me, do want visual proof and are mature enough to handle it. If you don't want to look at pictures of war, fine, but it's offensive to me to restrict other people from seeing them.
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I think that you guys are missing something: you aren't considering that there are people like me who want to see the pictures and won't immediately cry photoshop. From visual proof, to seeing the effects of war, there are legit reasons to seeing pics like this.

Refusing to release them because you're afraid of the reactions of batty people is just catering to fear and hurts those, like me, do want visual proof and are mature enough to handle it. If you don't want to look at pictures of war, fine, but it's offensive to me to restrict other people from seeing them.
Why do you NEED to see them? Why would the pics be more believable than the government, The US military AND Al Queda saying that he's dead? It's pretty hard to get some form of consensus between the US and a terrorist group. As I said before, it makes no sense to fake it.


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Why do you NEED to see them?
Morbid curiosity?

I don’t need to see them, but yet I believe. Of course I also believe man landed on the moon, Oswald shot Kennedy, Elvis is dead, vaccination are design to immunize and Iraq had weapons of mass destruction in 2002 -2003. Oh wait.
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Iraq had weapons of mass destruction in 2002 -2003. Oh wait.
Yeah but that one they had pictures of lol... Pics don't really prove anything.

Of course I'm sure that some people would never believe. I mean we could have Bin Laden's corpse dangling like a piñata in front of the white house and someone would still claim we didn't get him. But when your enemy says you got their leader and you claim you got their leader, it's hard to find a counter to that.

You know I'm no fan of Obama, but I believe that in this instance he got it right.


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I think that you guys are missing something: you aren't considering that there are people like me who want to see the pictures and won't immediately cry photoshop. From visual proof, to seeing the effects of war, there are legit reasons to seeing pics like this.

Refusing to release them because you're afraid of the reactions of batty people is just catering to fear and hurts those, like me, do want visual proof and are mature enough to handle it. If you don't want to look at pictures of war, fine, but it's offensive to me to restrict other people from seeing them.
Speaking for myself, my comments were directed towards those claiming that pictures would be proof, despite all the evidence that already exists.

That being said, I don't think that the pictures need to be released. While I can understand a desire to see the body, with all the evidence pointing towards his death already, I believe that he's dead. Would I look at the picture is they were released? Yes. Does the fact that they aren't released make me think that Bin Laden is still alive somewhere? No.
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To keep Bin Ladin safe?

Weren't some Americans critical of candidate Obama when he said as president he would strike al Qaeda targets inside Pakistan? Oh no, we can’t do that to a ally.
This is one of the few times that an American politician has kept a campaign promise; and to the letter, it seems. Kudos to the president for that.

A brilliant quote, there. Irrefutable.


"They should rename the team to the Washington Government Sucks. Put Obama on the helmet. Line the entire walls of the stadium with the actual text of the ACA.
Fix their home team score on the board to the debt clock, they can win every game 17,000,000,000,000 to 24. Losing team gets taxed by the IRS 100%, then droned."
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Who flew the airliners into the twin towers, then? The bogeyman?
sorry for being so late to the party here.

but.


the illumaniti.


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sorry for being so late to the party here.

but.


the illumaniti.
One day, you're gonna look back on these posts and be embarrassed by your younger self. I guarantee it.
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sorry for being so late to the party here.

but.


the illumaniti.

No, no, no...that's not possible. Laura Croft destroyed most of the Illuminati members in the Tomb Raider incident, remember?

It was your buddies, NASA. They found out about a large group of people working in the Twin Towers that day, with the help of remote viewers, who were about to reveal the truth about the fake moon landing. So they asked the HAARP project team to secretly tune HAARP's frequency into controlling the minds of poor Muslim extremist into taking over the planes. Therefore, NASA gave instructions to HAARP to program the minds of these poor Muslim extremist, who where about to become peaceful muslims before this happened, into crashing those airplanes into the Twin Towers. They did all this because they know you know, that they didn't put a man on the moon. But if the truth ever came out, they didn't want you to be able to say "see...I told you so."


Stick to your convictions, man, don't let NASA get away with it!


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Old 07-26-2011, 05:59 AM   #159
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sorry for being so late to the party here.

but.


the illumaniti.
Now he's just trolling.

And besides, you mean to say it wasn't a fiendish combination of the Bush Administration, CIA, FBI, ATF, WTF and the US Post Office?






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Now he's just trolling.

And besides, you mean to say it wasn't a fiendish combination of the Bush Administration, CIA, FBI, ATF, WTF and the US Post Office?
Yes, the post office. That secret evil that has been destroying the United States for decades.

Or, y'know, not.
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