lfnetwork.com mark read register faq members calendar

Thread: Revan: The Novel Spoilers (Oh god...)
Thread Tools Display Modes
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Old 10-24-2011, 03:30 PM   #41
jonathan7
Exiled Jedi...
 
jonathan7's Avatar
 
Status: Moderator
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ivory Tower
Posts: 3,676
Contest winner - Modding LFN Staff Member Veteran Modder Helpful! 
Quote:
Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
Did I insulted you or something? It seems you got offended by my response.
Seriously re-read what you wrote?

Quote:
Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
You can email Drew a thousand times and I wouldn't care. However, your message to him that you revealed here is not fair to Revan fans in my opinion. You dubbed Revan fans as ego-centic fools in your message, which is a very clear insult.
Seriously? At any point did I say all Revan fans are ego-centric fools? I made the claim that people who think Revan is the strongest force user ever are; because essentially they are Revan, and as they are Revan they give a number of different attributes to Revan which make him unbeatable.

Stop applying your own generalisations of what I said to every Revan fan.

Quote:
Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
Sending an email to Drew now would serve no purpose. Because the Novel is going to be released soon and we cannot expect any changes in it. We are too late for this exercise.
So because something is going to be released feedback shouldn't be given?

Quote:
Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
Also, you can have different opinion from me. I have no issue with it but your message is not balanced. Read it yourself and then get back to me. When you are addressing a writer, you should try to be fair in your message, if you plan to reveal it in the public.
Why? I shared it in this thread to share something I'd send and would let anyone know if I received a reply. Why should I be fair in my message? Although actually I think most people would agree that my message was fair, though essentially your dislike of it seems to come from the facts that;

a) Your main and biggest gripe; That I think the Exile could beat Revan one on one.
b) I dislike people who think Revan can kill everything ever.
c) Some perceived slight on Revan's power.

Quote:
Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
I am not the one who made those claims. Judging by how badass Revan was portrayed during KOTOR games, people generally perceived Revan to be very powerful.
Revan was one of the most powerful force users of his time, though it would seem not as powerful as the Emporer in TOR (nor for that matter Nihilus who can apparently kill entire Jedi Enclave's just by breathing on them).

Quote:
Originally Posted by From j7's outrageous email
Revan's strength was being a great force user and tactician,
Quote:
Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
This still does not justifies the position you took for Revan in your message. I can argue that Revan was indeed a brilliant tactician but he was not afraid of facing his enemies head-on, if he had to. That is what he did against Mandalore the Ultimate, Yusanis, Juhani, Darth Bandon, Bastilla Shan (Dark), and Darth Malak.
See, here's you reading **** into what I said. I didn't say Revan was affraid of the Emporer, but that I just don't think Revan would of gone to face the Emporer. How wise is it to face an enemy your going to loose to? Especially if your the Galaxy's only hope of stopping said individual?

Nor did I say that Revan was scared of the Exile; but Revan portrayed certainly in K2 is a master technician who used, Droid Assassin's and special teams (Atton) to take out (Jedi) targets.

Quote:
Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
No, I am not just another Revan fanboy. I do understand the character of Revan a lot better then you do.
You know this sentence proves my point. I mean seriously how am I going to know *your* Revan better than you? Your doing the classic thing of taking your Revan and projecting it onto Revan and of course your Revan is better than anyone else...

Also which particular Revan are we talking about? Revan before he/she fell? Revan as a Sith Lord? Revan with amnesia? Revan having found out who he/she is? Revan as lightside or darkside?

Lets go over game facts stated;

Revan is a great leader, and a very powerful force user; commander of the (1/3) Republic fleet, then a Sith Lord. Who then gets blown up by his/her apprentice and ends up with amnesia and with the Jedi Council.

The Exile is a good leader too (but not as a good as Revan), who has a special ability to form connections with others.

Revan defeats 1 Sith Lord and his (two) apprentice(s) in duels.

The Exile defeats 3 "main" Sith Lords; plus the other Sith Lords, Sith Assassin's and Sith Marauder's encountered on Malachor 5 (which the Exile does on his/her own, where as Revan on the Star Forge has help).

Based on the above, who's the better duellist? Especially considering the Exile is the only individual who could of beaten Nihilus due to the whole force black whole thing. It seems logical to me, to think the Exile the better duelist, but that Revan is more powerful over all.

If you like, think of a General in the Army and a Special Forces troop, in a 1-1 fight the Special Forces trooper would win. However the General is both more important and overall more powerful the the Special Forces trooper.

Revan however in TSL is continually portrayed as being a Master tactition, and even manipulates and uses the Exile as a weapon against the council.

Quote:
Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
Also, what is this?

"Now if they (Revan and the Exile) fought one on one, I think the Exile would win, however it would never get to that point as Revan would set a trap and use others to kill the Exile."
My opinion, but apparently it's upset your Revan was a total bad ass and is great at everything radar. Revan is portrayed as a major manipulator in TSL, I really fail to see how the above is a bad thing, or how it's "unfair" to Revan. It takes two characters who are portrayed in each KotOR game and gives my estimation of their different abilities.

This dialogue however is pointless, and I see no point in continuing it, given there's no chance of persuading you how this isn't one big anti-Revan conspiracy.

[/End j7 nerd rage]



"Love is the only reality and it is not a mere sentiment. It is the ultimate truth that lies at the heart of creation." - Rabindranath Tagore

"Many a doctrine is like a window pane. We see truth through it but it divides us from truth." - Kahlil Gibran
jonathan7 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-24-2011, 07:44 PM   #42
adamqd
Jedi vs Sith
 
adamqd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,201
Forum Veteran The Walking Carpets Guild Member 
I'll cut/paste what I wrote on the tOR forums:

The behavior of some fans in situations like this is disgusting, I'm embarrassed to include myself in this fandom sometimes. I'm guessing most people are here because they enjoyed KotOR, Mass Effect or one of the many other amazing Stories Drew penned or collaborated on? yet your quick to flame based on an uninformed summery from an out of context chapter.

Lets wait and read the whole book shall we?

And regarding the use of KotOR II characters... Bioware told Lucasarts to use Obsidian for the sequel, as they were busy doing other games. Bioware doesn't own Revan, the same way Obsidian doesn't own the exile, thats not how the license works. Bioware are dealing with the Old Republic story, therefore all important characters and events surrounding this time-line/era are under the banner of this story.
Like Drew said on his site, Obsidian didn't ask his permission to use Canderous and HK-47, he isn't asking their permission to use the Exile... not.how.it.works.
adamqd is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-24-2011, 10:38 PM   #43
Darth Avlectus
If Sunday you're free...
 
Darth Avlectus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Why don't you come with me...
Posts: 4,278
Current Game: Poisoning pigeons in the park.
Yeah. I'm going to reserve my judgment for myself.

So far as fanboyism, I realized how stupid it was when I heard superman fans calling silver surfer a
spoiler:
faggot
because he was "just simply made up so Stan Lee would feel better about himself" because apparently nobody is supposed to be stronger, faster, smarter, or in any way shape or form better than superman. Nevermind Marvel and DC set aside their differences to make a crossover comic for their fans' entertainment.

Or how inner brand rivalries are intolerable. Case in point: Thor fans have a bitch-fit because hulk can (but doesn't always) kick his ass, or magneto being a fair and just mutant is able to take the hammer away from thor and wield it against him. (I know I left some things out, but basically this is the way it happened!)

If it wasn't all so damn pathetic I'd be laughingly amused.

Or Marvel vs Capcom: I just so happen to think Captain Commando would beat the living **** out of war machine and/or gambit from x-men because he is practically a fusion of the two. The programmers disagreed and made them "harder" for the captain commando character to beat.

The point is: we're all just a little bit biased.

Personally, I try to be more real about it. The way I have both Revan and Exile are expert physical combatants. So sue me. And I acknowledge they have weaknesses to other characters, too.

The fact that DK supposedly speaks of the Exile being disturbed by the Sith Emperor's presence in a manner similar to what TSL players will remember from the game, to me, says he's giving a nod. Hell, if you read the Bane novels, you will even see some slight nods to the little things of TSL that KOTOR 1 didn't have. Designations among sith, lightsaber forms, acknowledging that although Bane was powerful, he was not without limitations. Previous sith lords were far more powerful than Bane is--the difference is that Bane knew secrecy was a weapon whereas his overt predecessors did not.

Besides, how do we know the Sith Emperor has "the exact same power" as nihilus? We don't. It sounds like the Sith Emperor may be similar, but has a far better control over it. Sustainable, whereas Nihilus' ways were not. At least that's what I gather from Blood of the Empire.
Darth Avlectus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-25-2011, 02:31 PM   #44
Zerimar Nyliram
Senior Member
 
Zerimar Nyliram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 1,452
Forum Veteran 
These things tend to stem from fans building up in their heads these grandiose theories as to what direction the story will take itself, and are sorely disappointed when it doesn't match their expectations.


Quote:
Originally Posted by a silly noob View Post
YOURS VERY SLOW ! PLS NEW PROGRESSS PLS NEW UPDATES PLS DARK FORCES FİNAL VERSİON İ CAN WAİTİNG KOTF PART 1 RELEASED 5 YEAR AND İTS 1 MAN ( OSMAN GUNYAZ DEVELOPERS ) BUT YOURS VERY PEOPLE İ CANT WAİTİNG 5 YEARS
Zerimar Nyliram is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-26-2011, 01:19 PM   #45
S_W_LeGenD
Rookie
 
S_W_LeGenD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Asia
Posts: 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Seriously re-read what you wrote?
Let us re-visit your opening of the responses to me:

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Thanks for your input, though it's my time to waste serving no purpose, and last time I checked I was free to do with my time what I like. Though apart from anything else, I thought it good for Drew to know that not everyone who disagreed with the novel hated or felt the need to flame him.

I'm also sorry I hadn't realised two adults weren't allowed to have a conversation/send each other emails even if "it's pointless" (which for point of fact most of our correspondence with other human beings is, for example what purpose did this reply serve? Or my reply back serve? You think I'm going to change my mind after a few ad hominems from you?)
This sarcastic barrage on me was not needed.

Here is my full comment:

Quote:
Originally Posted by S_W_LeGenD View Post
Seriously, your email to Drew would have served no purpose. The book is on the verge of release. And judging by the spoilers, I believe that that Drew has been disrespectful to both Revan and Exile. However, we can only pass final judgment after reading the Novel.
My intended point was that you will waste your time by sharing your perceptions of your favorite characters with Drew. He may not agree with your perceptions or even parts of them.

Drew has already stated this in his website:

Disclaimer: DO NOT send me any story ideas, suggestions for a new book, character, game, etc. I will not look at them and will delete the e-mail UNREAD.

I just wanted to simply caution you on Drew.

Regarding how Drew chose to advance the stories of Revan and Exile; there is nothing we can do about it. There can be two outcomes; fans may or may not like his work. Our inputs will serve no (useful) purpose. Our inputs could have been useful when Drew was writing the Novel. However, Drew probably dislikes input from fans regarding his works as apparent from his disclaimer.

If your objective was feedback only; fine. However, useless in my opinion. But you seem to have taken offence with my opening comments which was uncalled for. Still we can leave this now and move on.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Seriously? At any point did I say all Revan fans are ego-centric fools? I made the claim that people who think Revan is the strongest force user ever are; because essentially they are Revan, and as they are Revan they give a number of different attributes to Revan which make him unbeatable.

Stop applying your own generalisations of what I said to every Revan fan.
I understand your point but I still believe that this comment was unneeded. You can have disagreements with opinions of some Revan fans. However, this does not justifies your insulting remarks for them.

Some fans of Exile overhype her a lot too. They think that because she stopped the Sith Triumvirate, she is unstoppable too and they percieve her to be more powerful then Revan. Your own responses affirm my point. See below. Still this is not an excuse to be used by any Revan fan to belittle them. Every person is entitled to his/her opinion. But we can separate opinions from facts. This is the primary objective of any debate.

Keep in mind that Revan has much bigger fanbase among many Star Wars characters. You might be happy with how Revan is depicted in the novel but same cannot be true for so many Revan fans. All fans of Revan have high expectations from Drew. However, we may be disappointed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
So because something is going to be released feedback shouldn't be given?
Go ahead. No one is stopping you. However, feedback would make sense after reading the novel. This is what Drew will also say.

And keep in mind that Exile will be judged by how Drew advanced her story in his work. And not by your feedback. Same goes for Revan.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Why? I shared it in this thread to share something I'd send and would let anyone know if I received a reply. Why should I be fair in my message? Although actually I think most people would agree that my message was fair, though essentially your dislike of it seems to come from the facts that;

a) Your main and biggest gripe; That I think the Exile could beat Revan one on one.
b) I dislike people who think Revan can kill everything ever.
c) Some perceived slight on Revan's power.
Your response is not fair to Revan fanbase as a whole. You do not speak for the Revan fanbase. You even insulted those Revan fans with whom you have disagreements with. You could have been fair by leaving Revan out of your comments in the first place since you had nothing good to say about the character or its fans.

My biggest gripe is your message not being fair to Revan fans. You think that Exile fanbase is free from the so-called ego-centric fools?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Revan was one of the most powerful force users of his time, though it would seem not as powerful as the Emporer in TOR (nor for that matter Nihilus who can apparently kill entire Jedi Enclave's just by breathing on them).
I am not making any comparisons. Judging by how Drew portrayed Revan in his novel, he could have been an AVERAGE. Same goes for Exile. She ended even worse.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
See, here's you reading **** into what I said. I didn't say Revan was affraid of the Emporer, but that I just don't think Revan would of gone to face the Emporer. How wise is it to face an enemy your going to loose to? Especially if your the Galaxy's only hope of stopping said individual?
Why would Revan have feared the Sith Emperor in the first place?

Revan clearly thought that he could stop this Sith Emperor. What he did not anticipated was Darth Scourge's back-stabbing. Now two questions arise from this:

1. Darth Scourge was the only Sith who could lead Revan to the Sith Emperor?
2. Why Revan even trusted him? Did Exile persuaded Revan in this regard?

We will surely find answers in the novel.

However, let us consider some past actions of Revan to determine his personality:

Revan did not feared Darth Malak regardless of following reasons:

1. Revan lost to Darth Malak in his duel with him on Leviathan. Revan realized that Darth Malak became more powerful during his tenure as Dark Lord of the Sith and was a dangerous foe.
2. Darth Malak could use Bastilla Shan against Revan and he actually did. Revan realized this from his interaction with her on Lehon.
3. Darth Malak was well-prepared to fight any potential adversary on the Star Forge from his point of view, and he would be much harder to defeat on the Star Forge. Revan also anticipated this.

But these reasons were still not enough to stop Revan from engaging Darth Malak in combat on his own. Revan took his chance.

My point is that Revan was brave. This was also apparent from his response to the Jedi Strike Team which was sent to arrest him on his flagship. He planned to fight them straight-on.

However, I accept that Revan was willing to recruit any possible help to succeed in his ambitions. Revan would have responded to a threat on the basis of what he knew about it and what kind of options he could use in his favor to succeed in his plans.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Nor did I say that Revan was scared of the Exile; but Revan portrayed certainly in K2 is a master technician who used, Droid Assassin's and special teams (Atton) to take out (Jedi) targets.
He used every possible means to succeed in his ambitions. This sums it all up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
You know this sentence proves my point. I mean seriously how am I going to know *your* Revan better than you? Your doing the classic thing of taking your Revan and projecting it onto Revan and of course your Revan is better than anyone else...
No, my perceptions are based on canonical actions of Revan. My perceptions are not based on my gameplay.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Also which particular Revan are we talking about? Revan before he/she fell? Revan as a Sith Lord? Revan with amnesia? Revan having found out who he/she is? Revan as lightside or darkside?
Revan as a whole.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Lets go over game facts stated;

Revan is a great leader, and a very powerful force user; commander of the (1/3) Republic fleet, then a Sith Lord. Who then gets blown up by his/her apprentice and ends up with amnesia and with the Jedi Council.
Revan was certainly a great leader and a skilled warrior. However, we do not know how good he was with the Force. Some of the characters that knew him praised him a lot and specially his capabilities. He certainly earned legendary status in the Jedi Order.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
The Exile is a good leader too (but not as a good as Revan), who has a special ability to form connections with others.
Agreed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Revan defeats 1 Sith Lord and his (two) apprentice(s) in duels.
Correction:

Revan defeated one Sith Lord who led an Empire with firm control and enjoyed Emperor like status in it.

He also defeated two of the Sith Lord's promising apprentices, several other high-profile figures, Droid armies, dangerous creatures, and many others who opposed him. In the bigger picture, he was instrumental in the downfall of a powerful and organized Sith Empire with his exploits. He fulfilled the expectations of the Jedi Order of his time where every other failed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
The Exile defeats 3 "main" Sith Lords; plus the other Sith Lords, Sith Assassin's and Sith Marauder's encountered on Malachor 5 (which the Exile does on his/her own, where as Revan on the Star Forge has help).
Correction:

Revan defeated most of his high-profile opponents on his own and this reflects positively on his skills.

And Exile did not defeated those 3 Sith Lords purely on the basis of her skills. The circumstances in which she found herself proved to be very useful. Explanation is below.

Keep in mind that there was no unity in the Sith Triumvirate, and this proved to be instrumental in its downfall. Exile exploited this weakness with help of Kriea, who was actually Darth Traya. Furthermore, Exile was a Wound in the Force and this increased her chances of survival against the most powerful opponent from the Triumvirate; Darth Nihilus. Let us focus on her engagements now:

The case of Darth Nihilus:

The Exile was actually helped by Visas and the Mandalore against her struggle against Darth Nihilus. She did not faced Nihilus alone. In addition, Visas betrayed Darth Nihilus and did not tell him that his force-sever abilities would not work on Exile and may backfire. And that is what precisely happened and he lost.

The case of Darth Sion:

If we follow the canonical path, we would notice that Sion develops soft corner for Exile. He likes her but does not admits openly. During his final engagement with Exile, he was convinced by Exile to give up and he accepted. Sion was like rotting corpse. There was no way he could have any future with Exile. He considered death to be the most logical choice.

The case of Darth Traya:

Traya, regardless of her nature, saw hope in Exile. She could use Exile for her ambitions and objectives. During her engagement with Exile, she could not use her Force-sever capabilities on her. She also could not fight like a normal Jedi or Sith because of missing hands. She relied on TK based saber dueling. And on the basis of the outcome, we know who succeeded. Maybe Traya wanted her to succeed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Based on the above, who's the better duellist? Especially considering the Exile is the only individual who could of beaten Nihilus due to the whole force black whole thing. It seems logical to me, to think the Exile the better duelist, but that Revan is more powerful over all.
KOTOR II depictions were never about power. They were about exploitations. And I explained above how Exile succeeded.

By all accounts, Revan seems to be more skilled.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
If you like, think of a General in the Army and a Special Forces troop, in a 1-1 fight the Special Forces trooper would win. However the General is both more important and overall more powerful the the Special Forces trooper.
Agreed. However, not applicable in context of Revan and Exile.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
Revan however in TSL is continually portrayed as being a Master tactition, and even manipulates and uses the Exile as a weapon against the council.
I do not disagree. See the red-highlighted part above.

I believe that Revan was not stupid but he was brave.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
My opinion, but apparently it's upset your Revan was a total bad ass and is great at everything radar. Revan is portrayed as a major manipulator in TSL, I really fail to see how the above is a bad thing, or how it's "unfair" to Revan. It takes two characters who are portrayed in each KotOR game and gives my estimation of their different abilities.
That was his original peronality before mind wipe. He changed after mind wipe. He was not stupid though. He fulfilled the task entrusted to him by the Jedi Order. And he executed his plans brilliantly once again.

But keep in mind that trust is an important factor. When you are not acting alone, you have to trust somebody and that somebody can help you succeed. This is also applicable to the Sith.

Betrayal can lead to downfall of even the most powerful figures in the Universe. Many cases affirm this point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonathan7 View Post
This dialogue however is pointless, and I see no point in continuing it, given there's no chance of persuading you how this isn't one big anti-Revan conspiracy.

[/End j7 nerd rage]
No, I am not like those fans. You have this habit of generalizing about things, which is not good.

Last edited by S_W_LeGenD; 11-13-2011 at 10:10 AM.
S_W_LeGenD is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-26-2011, 03:51 PM   #46
Astor
It's Thornhill!
 
Astor's Avatar
 
Status: Super Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Warwickshire, UK
Posts: 3,632
Current Game: The Old Republic
LFN Staff Member Forum Veteran Helpful! 
Personally, for simplicity's sake, I'd like to say that both Revan and the Exile are both massively over-hyped and thoroughly deserving of any perceived character assassination anyone throws at them.

And both camps of fans need to thoroughly chill out.






Astor is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-28-2011, 03:51 AM   #47
Darth Avlectus
If Sunday you're free...
 
Darth Avlectus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Why don't you come with me...
Posts: 4,278
Current Game: Poisoning pigeons in the park.
^^^'Kay. Can I use yer 'fridge? :-]


We'll murder them all, amid laughter and merriment...except for the few we take home to experiment!

"I cant see S***! --YOU GO TO HELL!" --Tourettes guy
Darth Avlectus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-30-2011, 04:07 PM   #48
DarthMuffin
Dark Cupcake of the Sith
 
DarthMuffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 1,034
Personnally, the big issue I see with that book is that it's unnecessary. A fan backlash is pretty much inevitable when dealing with characters that were originally conceived as being customised and role-played by those same fans (even more so considering the games' focus on choices and consequences). In the same line of thought, I think that dragging along characters just for the sake of it makes some poor lore overall. In my mind, Revan's (and to a lesser extent the Exile's) stories were told in KotOR 1 and 2, and I don't think they needed (or deserved?) to have another round of their lives exposed in a book (or in SWTOR for that matter).

So as far as I'm concerned, I think they should have just left Revan and the Exile to their respective games and in whatever shape players liked to imagine them in their fantasies. Setting TOR hundreds of years in the future is the perfect excuse to have a clean start and avoid sensitive issues of canonicity. Focus on creating new, original characters as interesting as those of KotOR instead of relying on labyrinthine deus ex machina to deliver some fan service.


~Dark Cupcake of the Sith
DarthMuffin is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-30-2011, 04:23 PM   #49
DeathScepter
Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 210
Darth Muffin, I like how you think.
DeathScepter is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-31-2011, 09:15 AM   #50
Totenkopf
English spoken in What
 
Totenkopf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: What?
Posts: 4,787
Imperialist Meatbags Guild Member The Walking Carpets Guild Member Forum Veteran 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarthMuffin View Post
Personnally, the big issue I see with that book is that it's unnecessary. A fan backlash is pretty much inevitable when dealing with characters that were originally conceived as being customised and role-played by those same fans (even more so considering the games' focus on choices and consequences). In the same line of thought, I think that dragging along characters just for the sake of it makes some poor lore overall. In my mind, Revan's (and to a lesser extent the Exile's) stories were told in KotOR 1 and 2, and I don't think they needed (or deserved?) to have another round of their lives exposed in a book (or in SWTOR for that matter).

So as far as I'm concerned, I think they should have just left Revan and the Exile to their respective games and in whatever shape players liked to imagine them in their fantasies. Setting TOR hundreds of years in the future is the perfect excuse to have a clean start and avoid sensitive issues of canonicity. Focus on creating new, original characters as interesting as those of KotOR instead of relying on labyrinthine deus ex machina to deliver some fan service.
Yet, it was inevitable this would happen. It may also be a way to plug the K3 hole that has many fanboys in a knot. Presumably, K3 would have covered much of the same ground as the novel will. EA/Bioware/LA has moved on into mmo territory w/TOR and probably doesn't feel like revisiting the Kotor era in a game (hence, as you point out, setting being 300 +/- yrs later). Doesn't really bother me anyway. Afterall.......it's just fiction and though Revan/Exile have already passed into canon, they will still likely remain to each of us what we made of them in our various playthroughs. Don't plan on reading it till it's in pb form anyway (unless someone I know bothers to get it in hb form). All that remains, for any who care, is to see if he messes it up or does a decent job. Still, as Lucas found out with the PT (and Gearbox w/DN Forever), heightened expectations are a bitch to overcome.


Now, I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country.---Patton

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism.---Teddy Roosevelt

I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception.---Groucho

And if you all get killed, I'll piss on your graves.---Shaman Urdnot

How would you like to own a little bit of my foot in your ass.---Red Foreman
Totenkopf is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-07-2011, 03:29 PM   #51
Warrior Master
Rookie
 
Warrior Master's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 37
I totally agree with DarthMuffin and Totenkopf. The novel is unnecessary, and it´s just a version, as any of ours. And, don´t forget it, Star Wars is a bussiness, even if it is unnecessary. All of us have our own ideas/thoughts about Revan, the exile, and what happened to them. As we have our own versions of Revan and the exile (gender, hair, LS or DS, etc.), we shouldn´t consider this novel as a canon, just another version. I´ll read the novel, but just for curiosity; I´ll still have my own opinion, surely as all of you.

By now, I suppose all of you konw that, in www.swtor.com, you can download the chapters 3 and 11 of the novel. According to that and what I´ve read here, I think I won´t like the novel very much, because in the novel, it seems Revan is less of what I think; that´s not exactly what I imagined about Revan and what happened to him. I´m one of those thousands of Revan´s fans who think Revan is our favourite character in Star Wars, and any of us have our thoughts, and probably they differ from Drew Karpyshyn´s version, but I don´t think we should kill him and his novel before reading it, I won´t do it. Let´s wait a little longer. Don´t take it as a canon, just enjoy it.

And about the previous discussion about Revan VS the exile:
KotOR is my favourite game, in spite of being and "ancient" game from 2003, I enjoy it every time I play it; it has made me to have my own opinion about Revan, which is the same as the one you can read in:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan

"Revan was known as a highly skilled warrior, having defeated some of the greatest and most accomplished fighters of his time during the Mandalorian Wars and the subsequent Jedi Civil War, including the former Echani general and senator Yusanis, Mandalore the Ultimate, and Darth Malak, who was counted among the skilled swordsmen of the era.
Revan was an incredibly talented and diligent student of the Force — the most gifted of his time — and eventually, by all accounts, became a very powerful Force practitioner. Both as a Sith Lord and as a Jedi, Revan used a variety of Force powers.
Revan was an exceptionally capable strategist and tactician. Revan's originality as a battlefield commander would earn him the undying respect of both the Mandalorian and Echani warrior cultures.
In addition to his combat prowess, Force mastery, and imaginative battle strategies, Revan spoke and comprehended a variety of languages. Revan was a skilled mechanic.
"…Your potential is unlimited…" - Zhar Lestin.
"You, Revan, are the single greatest warrior of this age, and any battle we fight will bring me honor." - Canderous Ordo.
"Revan was power. It was like staring into the heart of the Force." - Kreia".

And in KotOR 2:
Kreia:
"Is that what he was? Or was he always true to himself, no matter what personality he wore? And there is something that the Council may never understand. That perhaps Revan never fell. The difference between a fall and a sacrifice is sometimes difficult, but I feel that Revan understood that difference, more than anyony knew. The galaxy would have fallen if Revan had not gone to war. Perhaps he became the dark lord out of necessity, to prevent a greater evil."

When you read this, the only one opinion that you can make is that Revan is very powerful, very charismatic, a natural leader, and a skilled lightsaber wielder.
So, according with the KotOR 1, Revan is very powerful; not inmortal, allmighty and invencible, but very powerful, who decided to make a lesser evil for a greater good. A very interesting character, unfairly looked down on in KotOR 2, just because Obsidian wanted his/her own hero, or maybe they weren´t able to deal with Revan´ success or they didn´t know how to deal with, so they developed a different story. It´s really disappointing not having Revan, Bastila, Carth, Jolee, etc. again. It´s a pity there isn´t a real KotOR 3.
I think it´s absurd discussing who is the best, if Revan or the exile, we cannot make an appropriate comparison, because Revan and the exile are 2 different characters of 2 different games.
In KotOR, Revan starts being a "normal" person, you can get 20 levels, only 12 of jedi (19 with mods). And that´s all.
In KotOR 2, the exile starts being a jedi, at level 15 can get the advanced/master class, you can get 50 levels (with cheats ), and many feats, force powers and skills with the help of Kreia, Brianna, Visas, Atton, HK, T3 and the Jedi masters.
According to this, it´s obvious that the exile is far more powerful than Revan. Another thing would be that the exile was in KotOr and Revan in KotOR 2, as I have done: I played the KotOR 2 as the exile (obviously ): a man, Jedi Guardian level 15 - Jedi Weapon Master level ...; later, I played the game having in mind how Revan could be according with the KotOR and starwars.wikia.com (and, obviously, my decision), and MY result (I insist, it´s just my opinion) is a Jedi Guardian level 15 - Jedi Master level ...). In this case, I prefer Revan. I say all this so you can see it´s absurd arguing who is the best, becuase all of us have our opinion, but, when discussing this, remember we´re talking about different games.

Sorry for this huge and boring post .
Warrior Master is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 05:37 AM   #52
Ser'eck
Junior Member
 
Ser'eck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 310
Current Game: SWTOR
Sorry but I would like to put an end to this debate regardless of how all of you will view this.

Warning major, MAJOR, MAJOR SPOILERS COMING DO NOT READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW ABOUT THE BOOK OR THE GAME (SW:TOR)


Show spoiler


Reguarding the Unkown Jedi NOTE only read if you have watched the video.
Show spoiler
Ser'eck is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 10:29 AM   #53
Zerimar Nyliram
Senior Member
 
Zerimar Nyliram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 1,452
Forum Veteran 
So, it seems they're going all the way and milking Revan for all he's worth, satiating the wet dreams of every fanboy on the planet. A sellout, really.


Quote:
Originally Posted by a silly noob View Post
YOURS VERY SLOW ! PLS NEW PROGRESSS PLS NEW UPDATES PLS DARK FORCES FİNAL VERSİON İ CAN WAİTİNG KOTF PART 1 RELEASED 5 YEAR AND İTS 1 MAN ( OSMAN GUNYAZ DEVELOPERS ) BUT YOURS VERY PEOPLE İ CANT WAİTİNG 5 YEARS
Zerimar Nyliram is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 11:14 AM   #54
Ser'eck
Junior Member
 
Ser'eck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 310
Current Game: SWTOR
Honestly I like the whole idea, I like truth to any subject. It sure won't ruin my fond memories of KotOR infact it makes me want to play KoTOR even more now. I knew it was only a matter of time before they made the reveal.

Doesn't bother me one bit!
Ser'eck is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 12:25 PM   #55
Zerimar Nyliram
Senior Member
 
Zerimar Nyliram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 1,452
Forum Veteran 
Yeah, I just watched the video myself (after it finally loaded after twenty years), and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I guess Revan now has a canonical face (which I don't care for, but I guess that's how it is). Is there a face in the game that's similar to the one in the video? From the timeline entries which showed him from behind, I thought for sure "Mullet Man" was what they were going for (which made be happy because that's the face I've always used), but I guess that isn't the case now.


Quote:
Originally Posted by a silly noob View Post
YOURS VERY SLOW ! PLS NEW PROGRESSS PLS NEW UPDATES PLS DARK FORCES FİNAL VERSİON İ CAN WAİTİNG KOTF PART 1 RELEASED 5 YEAR AND İTS 1 MAN ( OSMAN GUNYAZ DEVELOPERS ) BUT YOURS VERY PEOPLE İ CANT WAİTİNG 5 YEARS
Zerimar Nyliram is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 12:36 PM   #56
Ser'eck
Junior Member
 
Ser'eck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 310
Current Game: SWTOR
I found a HD close up shot of Revan's face and compared it to the many faces to choose from and I would say Mullet Man for sure. I'll post both pictures when I get the chance. It made me happy too because I always thought that's what Revan looked like.
Ser'eck is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 12:44 PM   #57
90SK
Universal Figment
 
90SK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Somewhere...
Posts: 4,387
Current Game: Tetris
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram View Post
A sellout, really.
+1 I would've preferred a KotOR 3, ****!

90SK is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 12:58 PM   #58
Zerimar Nyliram
Senior Member
 
Zerimar Nyliram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 1,452
Forum Veteran 
What bothers me about the video is that they're still using music from the movies. It doesn't belong, dammit! The unwritten rule is that every era has its own musical score, like KOTOR did. (For this reason, the developers of Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast wouldn't even use music from the prequels because it was from the wrong era, and that's only between the two movie trilogies!)

So far, it seems that this game's soundtrack consists of nothing but music from the films and from KOTOR with no original scores, and that is hugely disappointing.


Quote:
Originally Posted by a silly noob View Post
YOURS VERY SLOW ! PLS NEW PROGRESSS PLS NEW UPDATES PLS DARK FORCES FİNAL VERSİON İ CAN WAİTİNG KOTF PART 1 RELEASED 5 YEAR AND İTS 1 MAN ( OSMAN GUNYAZ DEVELOPERS ) BUT YOURS VERY PEOPLE İ CANT WAİTİNG 5 YEARS
Zerimar Nyliram is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 01:13 PM   #59
Ser'eck
Junior Member
 
Ser'eck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 310
Current Game: SWTOR
Comparison on mullet man

Show spoiler


I agree about the music. They are just being lazy! But the video is a beta playthrough so maybe they might have something different for the actual game, unless the soundtrack listing has already been released.
Ser'eck is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 02:17 PM   #60
DeathScepter
Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 210
many of us preferred a Kotor 3
DeathScepter is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 02:49 PM   #61
Giant Graffiti
Custom User Title
 
Giant Graffiti's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 827
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redeemed Jedi View Post
<snip>
Sorry to derail this thread even more, but does anyone know if that's Jeff Glenn Bennett (Kyle Katarn in the later Jedi Knight games) voicing Revan in that video? Sure sounds like him...
Giant Graffiti is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 02:51 PM   #62
DeathScepter
Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 210
Revan is the Kyle Katarn of Kotor.
DeathScepter is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 03:26 PM   #63
90SK
Universal Figment
 
90SK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Somewhere...
Posts: 4,387
Current Game: Tetris
Mysteries of the Sith Kyle and KotOR 1 Revan are the same voice actor, I don't know about the others.

90SK is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 04:25 PM   #64
Ser'eck
Junior Member
 
Ser'eck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 310
Current Game: SWTOR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gιygαs View Post
Sorry to derail this thread even more, but does anyone know if that's Jeff Glenn Bennett (Kyle Katarn in the later Jedi Knight games) voicing Revan in that video? Sure sounds like him...
Yeah I guess I did derail this thread a little, sorry about that. Just wanted to bring my findings to light and thought that this was the best thread in relation to the matter.

I too am wondering who does Revan's voice in that video. It sounds very familiar but I just can't place it.
Ser'eck is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-10-2011, 10:13 PM   #65
Darth Avlectus
If Sunday you're free...
 
Darth Avlectus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Why don't you come with me...
Posts: 4,278
Current Game: Poisoning pigeons in the park.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redeemed Jedi View Post
Sorry but I would like to put an end to this debate regardless of how all of you will view this.
This is just as much about FEEDBACK and OPINIONS as it is revealing, and spoiling the novel coming out in 5 days. I don't really know how you could call this a debate, except for the new guy's mistaking what J7 said. That's more a misunderstanding than anything.

Quote:
Reguarding the page from the novel describing the Jedi Exiles death I believe is completely legit. The exile is killed by a stab to the back and Revan is ceased and locked away in a stassis created by the Sith Emperor using sith alchemy. The exile refuses to become one with the force and remains behind as a force spirit trying to help free Revan.
Well, it isn't too hard to figure out when think about when who and what she is talking about is pretty easy to pinpoint to Revan.

Quote:
Now skip ahead to the game. During Taral V flashpoint walkthrough a force spirit, female, reveals the location of a imprisoned jedi knight that has been held captive for 300 years. The party playing goes to find this "unknown jedi" and free him/her.
Quote:
I believe that the force spirit is the Exile since the Jedi revealed seems to know her and of her death.
Oh we've known about this for awhile now, so you aren't telling us anything new, but I appreciate that at least you are paying attention. Which is more than I can say for a typical newblood. Pleased to make your accquaintence BTW.

Now that I have a clear look at her face in a different shade of color, I can't decide if she looks more like the last caucasian face of the exile, with dark hair previously without a hairband (on the wookieepedia the "faces" of the exile image, very bottom), or if she looks more like the bushy blonde caucasian (See Nisotsa on the wiki). I'd opt for the former now over the latter.



Show spoiler


Show spoiler




Show spoiler



Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram View Post
So, it seems they're going all the way and milking Revan for all he's worth, satiating the wet dreams of every fanboy on the planet. A sellout, really.
Well, at least Malgus is really just a rehash of Vader and nothing more. So I'm relieved actually.

I don't really care what they do with Revan, now. Sure it's sad what they are doing, but in the end it was Lucas' character. Same with the exile. *shrug*

@thread:
Now I get to be MY ultimate character. Once I have brought down the republic, I know the Emperor will try to eliminate me.

He shall fail. Lying mangled at my feet, the old fool shall learn. My boot will be the last thing he ever sees before I snuff him out of existence. Then the throne is vacant for whoever wants it. I'm just interested in killing things and lighting stuff on fire. I don't serve him and he WILL learn that.




I serve chaos!


We'll murder them all, amid laughter and merriment...except for the few we take home to experiment!

"I cant see S***! --YOU GO TO HELL!" --Tourettes guy
Darth Avlectus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 12:47 AM   #66
Ser'eck
Junior Member
 
Ser'eck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 310
Current Game: SWTOR
@Darth Avlectus - So it's not a debate then. I was in a hurry and feeling a bit sick when typing that, actually I still feel sick...lol!

Newblood!? I've been a member for almost 2 years now! Well I guess I would be a newblood
to you. So on that I am pleased to make your accquaintence.

OT - I have read chapters 3 and 11 from this book and Drew refers to Revan as Revan in both chapters (all though he goes by Avner in chapter 11). I wonder if his real name will be revealed in the book?
Ser'eck is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 06:07 AM   #67
Darth Avlectus
If Sunday you're free...
 
Darth Avlectus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Why don't you come with me...
Posts: 4,278
Current Game: Poisoning pigeons in the park.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redeemed Jedi View Post
@Darth Avlectus - So it's not a debate then. I was in a hurry and feeling a bit sick when typing that, actually I still feel sick...lol!

Newblood!? I've been a member for almost 2 years now! Well I guess I would be a newblood
to you.
In a relative sense of course. (I'm a newb compared to those who had been around before me.)

Yeah I was a little contentious because I was ready for something truly terrible to be the case. A narrative basically similar to ROTJ. YAAAAAY I'm wrong!

Quote:
So on that I am pleased to make your accquaintence.


Quote:
OT - I have read chapters 3 and 11 from this book and Drew refers to Revan as Revan in both chapters (all though he goes by Avner in chapter 11). I wonder if his real name will be revealed in the book?
No, I think that's his given name.


We'll murder them all, amid laughter and merriment...except for the few we take home to experiment!

"I cant see S***! --YOU GO TO HELL!" --Tourettes guy
Darth Avlectus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 10:14 AM   #68
Zerimar Nyliram
Senior Member
 
Zerimar Nyliram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 1,452
Forum Veteran 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redeemed Jedi View Post
OT - I have read chapters 3 and 11 from this book and Drew refers to Revan as Revan in both chapters (all though he goes by Avner in chapter 11). I wonder if his real name will be revealed in the book?
Yeah, I've been wondering if both of his real names would be revealed, or either one of them. Let's not forget that Revan had his identity that he was born with up until becoming the Revanchist and then Revan and then Darth Revan, and then he had a new identity programmed into him by the Jedi Council following his capture. It's reasonable to assume that they would not have assigned him his birth name since they were trying to avoid all traces of his old identity so that he would not slip into the same patterns that led to his fall to the dark side.


Quote:
Originally Posted by a silly noob View Post
YOURS VERY SLOW ! PLS NEW PROGRESSS PLS NEW UPDATES PLS DARK FORCES FİNAL VERSİON İ CAN WAİTİNG KOTF PART 1 RELEASED 5 YEAR AND İTS 1 MAN ( OSMAN GUNYAZ DEVELOPERS ) BUT YOURS VERY PEOPLE İ CANT WAİTİNG 5 YEARS
Zerimar Nyliram is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 10:16 AM   #69
Warrior Master
Rookie
 
Warrior Master's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 37
Well, it´s quite simple: you can see that "Avner" is an alias created with the letters of "Revan" in a different order.
Warrior Master is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 10:27 AM   #70
adamqd
Jedi vs Sith
 
adamqd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,201
Forum Veteran The Walking Carpets Guild Member 
Not sure if anyone knows but its been available in the UK (WHSmiths) all week, got ma Copy!


<a href=http://raptr.com/adamqd?src=em_vb target=_blank><img src=http://raptr.com/badge/9808ad3cdf02ed358e227b0e69e654db/fs.png border=0 alt= /></a>
adamqd is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 12:41 PM   #71
Zerimar Nyliram
Senior Member
 
Zerimar Nyliram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 1,452
Forum Veteran 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior Master View Post
Well, itīs quite simple: you can see that "Avner" is an alias created with the letters of "Revan" in a different order.
Brilliant creativity!


Quote:
Originally Posted by a silly noob View Post
YOURS VERY SLOW ! PLS NEW PROGRESSS PLS NEW UPDATES PLS DARK FORCES FİNAL VERSİON İ CAN WAİTİNG KOTF PART 1 RELEASED 5 YEAR AND İTS 1 MAN ( OSMAN GUNYAZ DEVELOPERS ) BUT YOURS VERY PEOPLE İ CANT WAİTİNG 5 YEARS
Zerimar Nyliram is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 02:00 PM   #72
Warrior Master
Rookie
 
Warrior Master's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram View Post
Brilliant creativity!
As you, Marilyn Ramirez! Oops! Sorry!

Last edited by Warrior Master; 11-11-2011 at 02:06 PM.
Warrior Master is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 03:59 PM   #73
Ser'eck
Junior Member
 
Ser'eck's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 310
Current Game: SWTOR
What if Drew retconns (spelling?) the Name Revan and makes that his given name instead of a shortened title? That would suck!
Ser'eck is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 04:53 PM   #74
90SK
Universal Figment
 
90SK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Somewhere...
Posts: 4,387
Current Game: Tetris
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Avlectus View Post

Show spoiler


Show spoiler
Actually after seeing this I would tend to agree, despite frustrating shortcomings on retconned plot details and my own bias towards a KotOR II ending preferred, this aspect really isn't bad at all. I'm relieved.

90SK is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 06:49 PM   #75
Darth Avlectus
If Sunday you're free...
 
Darth Avlectus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Why don't you come with me...
Posts: 4,278
Current Game: Poisoning pigeons in the park.
^^^I was probably going to get into this game this sooner or later just simply because the role of the player w.r.t. K1&2 is now relegated to spectator (once again), as J7 put it. The issue of revan and exile was quite besides the point to that. I'm still getting the novel because, well, it is what it is and I'm a collector. So DK, don't you worry about a thing.

While I understand this spoiler "potentially ruins the experience", I can firmly attest this is not the case for me. What I thought previously was disturbing to me so it's like a weight has been lifted. I may have deprived myself that nerdgasmic moment to find out I was wrong while playing it and discovering it for the first time, but seeing as how this wasn't a plot twist, the bliss would have quickly worn off. That or someone's blabbing would have ruined the surprise (like they did to me for TPM).

As for TSL, yeah I basically knew it more or less, before I ever started playing and wound up liking it even better. Sure I have my gripes with it but not many sequels are better in my eyes than the originals, personal tastes notwithstanding.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior Master View Post
Well, itīs quite simple: you can see that "Avner" is an alias created with the letters of "Revan" in a different order.
I know right? That was one of the first things I noticed. At first I was all "Oh, DK decided to give him a name, just like the Exile is Meetra Surik."

Then I thought about the name and how it sounded for a second "Wwwait a minute." Noticed it was just "Revan" rearranged and I totally 'd.


We'll murder them all, amid laughter and merriment...except for the few we take home to experiment!

"I cant see S***! --YOU GO TO HELL!" --Tourettes guy
Darth Avlectus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-11-2011, 10:17 PM   #76
Zerimar Nyliram
Senior Member
 
Zerimar Nyliram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 1,452
Forum Veteran 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior Master View Post
As you, Marilyn Ramirez! Oops! Sorry!
Haha! Yeah, most people think that's my real name, but it's actually a combination of Marilyn Manson and Twiggy Ramirez, his bassist (I was a huge Manson freak when I first joined). And I'm also a male, contrary to popular belief.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Redeemed Jedi View Post
What if Drew retconns (spelling?) the Name Revan and makes that his given name instead of a shortened title? That would suck!
He can't because it's already been established by the comics that it was a moniker that he took during the Mandalorian Wars. That right there was a retcon, where it was originally assumed that Revan was his birth name.


Quote:
Originally Posted by a silly noob View Post
YOURS VERY SLOW ! PLS NEW PROGRESSS PLS NEW UPDATES PLS DARK FORCES FİNAL VERSİON İ CAN WAİTİNG KOTF PART 1 RELEASED 5 YEAR AND İTS 1 MAN ( OSMAN GUNYAZ DEVELOPERS ) BUT YOURS VERY PEOPLE İ CANT WAİTİNG 5 YEARS
Zerimar Nyliram is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-12-2011, 05:53 AM   #77
Warrior Master
Rookie
 
Warrior Master's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram View Post
Haha! Yeah, most people think that's my real name, but it's actually a combination of Marilyn Manson and Twiggy Ramirez, his bassist (I was a huge Manson freak when I first joined). And I'm also a male, contrary to popular belief.
What? A male!?

Quote:
He can't because it's already been established by the comics that it was a moniker that he took during the Mandalorian Wars. That right there was a retcon, where it was originally assumed that Revan was his birth name.
To be honest, Iīm not very worried about this, "Revan" is his/her name (moniker or birth name), I like it, I need no more; I mean I call my character "Revan Skywalker", probably Revan was born in Deralia, and we also know what Kreia said about Revan in KotOR 2. Our choices in KotOR apart, what else do we need? The rest of Revanīs past belongs to our fantasies, as Revanīs fate after KotOR. It has been created a great disturbing with DKīs controversial novel, because many of us are not very convinced with it and we donīt accept it as a canon; what if we know more of Revanīs past and itīs not as we thought? I played KotOR and I created my "Revan" version, and I discovered later he coincides with the canonical version, but I wouldnīt change my "Revan" if he was different from the canon (as it happens with my "exile" version). Are we going to change our toughts about Revanīs past or fate (or name) if they wouldnīt coincide with the canonical? I donīt think so. So whatīs this argument? Sometimes itīs better to let our imagination to work instead of knowing a truth we donīt like and being disappointed with it, isnīt it?
Warrior Master is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-12-2011, 10:44 AM   #78
Zerimar Nyliram
Senior Member
 
Zerimar Nyliram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA USA
Posts: 1,452
Forum Veteran 
I agree with that, but that isn't the point I was try to make. The point is that the Star Wars franchise has strict canonical guidelines that each author must adhere to, and Mr. Karpyshyn is no exception. He will not make such a drastic retcon and render the KOTOR comics apocryphal simply because he is not allowed to do so.


Quote:
Originally Posted by a silly noob View Post
YOURS VERY SLOW ! PLS NEW PROGRESSS PLS NEW UPDATES PLS DARK FORCES FİNAL VERSİON İ CAN WAİTİNG KOTF PART 1 RELEASED 5 YEAR AND İTS 1 MAN ( OSMAN GUNYAZ DEVELOPERS ) BUT YOURS VERY PEOPLE İ CANT WAİTİNG 5 YEARS
Zerimar Nyliram is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-12-2011, 07:16 PM   #79
Darth Avlectus
If Sunday you're free...
 
Darth Avlectus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Why don't you come with me...
Posts: 4,278
Current Game: Poisoning pigeons in the park.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior Master View Post
Well, itīs quite simple: you can see that "Avner" is an alias created with the letters of "Revan" in a different order.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram View Post
Brilliant creativity!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior Master View Post
As you, Marilyn Ramirez! Oops! Sorry!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerimar Nyliram View Post
Haha! Yeah, most people think that's my real name, but it's actually a combination of Marilyn Manson and Twiggy Ramirez, his bassist (I was a huge Manson freak when I first joined). And I'm also a male, contrary to popular belief.
You never came accross as anything BUT a male based on your replies. Can't believe I never figured your name out till now, let alnoe made the connection. I'm so disappointed in you. I thot youz wer so much more cretiv than dat.

Hey, on occasion I listen to a few MM tracks though admittedly my enthusiasm has steadily decreased over the years. Another small thing you and I have in common.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior Master View Post
What? A male!?

Show spoiler


Quote:
To be honest, Iīm not very worried about this, "Revan" is his/her name (moniker or birth name), I like it, I need no more;
I agree.

Quote:
I mean I call my character "Revan Skywalker", probably Revan was born in Deralia, and we also know what Kreia said about Revan in KotOR 2. Our choices in KotOR apart, what else do we need? The rest of Revanīs past belongs to our fantasies, as Revanīs fate after KotOR. It has been created a great disturbing with DKīs controversial novel, because many of us are not very convinced with it and we donīt accept it as a canon; what if we know more of Revanīs past and itīs not as we thought? I played KotOR and I created my "Revan" version, and I discovered later he coincides with the canonical version, but I wouldnīt change my "Revan" if he was different from the canon (as it happens with my "exile" version). Are we going to change our toughts about Revanīs past or fate (or name) if they wouldnīt coincide with the canonical? I donīt think so. So whatīs this argument? Sometimes itīs better to let our imagination to work instead of knowing a truth we donīt like and being disappointed with it, isnīt it?
Well, Revan is DK's character to do with as he pleases, ultimately. He's just going to be, now, a side character that happens to have some important role...so your TOR character can become the ultimate badass.

The only canon will be certain events but considering TOR player characters will be the epic of the respective persons that created them...well, I don't think those can be retconned if there isn't anything officially there previously to serve as a basis for such.


We'll murder them all, amid laughter and merriment...except for the few we take home to experiment!

"I cant see S***! --YOU GO TO HELL!" --Tourettes guy
Darth Avlectus is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 11-13-2011, 07:50 AM   #80
Warrior Master
Rookie
 
Warrior Master's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Avlectus View Post


Quote:
Show spoiler


Quote:
Well, Revan is DK's character to do with as he pleases, ultimately. He's just going to be, now, a side character that happens to have some important role...so your TOR character can become the ultimate badass.

The only canon will be certain events but considering TOR player characters will be the epic of the respective persons that created them...well, I don't think those can be retconned if there isn't anything officially there previously to serve as a basis for such.
By now it´s just another version, but, in time, I´m afraid it will be canon, cause they´re already including all of it in www.starwars.wikia.com/Revan : there, it is said that Revan used a green lightsaber when he went to the Unknown Regions (as in the novel), they have added it after, I think it was not before. There´s also a description of Revan´s physical appereance and now, during the KotOR, he looks another Qui-Gon Jinn , another thing added recently. I also thought Revan went to the Unknown Regions a year later of KotOR (I think it´s that what it´s said in KotOR 2), but know you can read he stayed 2 years, and he and Bastila were married (another change). Besides, they talk about Revan´s past as Dark Lord and Revan´s reprogrammed mind by the Council as Master Gnost-Doral says in SW TOR; personally, I prefer Kreia´s version, instead of the "official" version of Revan turning to another ruthless-ambitious-fool Sith because he wanted to be more powerful, and blah, blah, blah ... (another point for the canon ).
For better or for worse, they will make it official, even if they have to change all the Revan´s profile (they already doing it), because this is KotOR 3, not the one we wanted, but the one they have done . A pity.

Last edited by Warrior Master; 11-13-2011 at 11:01 AM.
Warrior Master is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Go Back   LucasForums > Network > Knights of the Old Republic > Game Discussion > The Unknown Regions > Revan: The Novel Spoilers (Oh god...)

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:38 AM.

LFNetwork, LLC ©2002-2011 - All rights reserved.
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.