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Old 03-19-2012, 05:51 AM   #1361
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Does anyone know how the Action-only mode works out? What choices are canon and how do the endings work?


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Old 03-19-2012, 06:24 AM   #1362
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No idea. Presumably they follow some sort of pattern similar to whatever criteria they used to determine the default Shep if you start a new game. Which maybe leans towards Renegade? As for the ending, I would guess that
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Edit: Angry Joe has put up a list of problems with the endings. Covers all the main points most people have. Extreme spoiler warning obviously.

He missed one it seems. All the others were bleeped. The title is "10 Reasons We Hate Mass Effect 3's Ending" for those that want to search for it.

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removed link because of language. Sorry people can look for it on YouTube.

One or two, got some strange looks in the office before I hit the stop button.


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Old 03-19-2012, 12:09 PM   #1363
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But indeed, the ending left a very bad aftertaste. Sort of like if Mass Effect (1) had ended with Anderson digging out Shepard's squished corpse under Sovereign's wreckage in the council chamber.
The ending was slightly more varied than I realized. I did the out of the box default for 1st playthrough and had just south of 4000 TMS, but apparently got the "2nd" option w/my two choices. Discovered what Stoffe was talking about after watching a YT vid claiming the/a "worst ending" based on 1600 pts (EMS, I presume...or they made a ton of bad choices and skipped stuff for TMS to be that low). So, I guess I got the middle ending.


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Old 03-19-2012, 12:20 PM   #1364
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Just out of curiosity, how much did you skip to get an EMS of only 2,000? Didn't do any side-quests? Or was the default Shepard just too borked to get any decent assets from the main quests?
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:39 PM   #1365
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:50 PM   #1366
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I can't wait to see the outcry from trying to sell a new ending from DLC....

Oh, EA would love that...every game for the next 100 years would have a crappy ending, but no worries for $19.99 that can be fixed.
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Old 03-19-2012, 07:44 PM   #1367
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Given how bad most game writing is, I'd almost like to see them try.
Also, Beth kinda did this already with Fallout 3, and the world didn't end because of it.

@LDR: If only you were right, at least then we could be fairly certain that said DLC would give us a good ending, instead of a "fanfic" style ending which is the main reason I'm not sure I want them to make a new ending.


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Old 03-19-2012, 08:27 PM   #1368
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I believe if their PR tactics fail,..and the pressure is still there....EA suits will worry about the IP in terms of movies and other spin offs as well as DLC,..etc.

This is as if the original star wars trilogy had a ending that made you go what the?!....That makes no sense and breaking the emotional bond with the Series....If this happen then you would see the Prequels bomb.

The reasons for the star wars prequel trilogy, even with some flaws, brought in the money and fans because of the connection to the original episode 4-6. If that wasn't there the movies would have not made as much money as they did and fans would be less incline to wait in line for midnight showings.

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Old 03-19-2012, 08:33 PM   #1369
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EA suits will worry about the IP in terms of movies and other spin offs as well as DLC,..etc.
EA worried about upsetting a few gamers...Look to see if Origins is still up and running...Nope they are not worried. Now if EA can make mega $$$$ with a new DLC ending to ME3... Then you may get you new ending.
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:41 PM   #1370
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Regardless how bad the masses might feel the ending is (I haven't finished so I'll reserve judgement), the same fans would go bananas if a movie was made.

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Old 03-19-2012, 08:52 PM   #1371
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A non free DLC ending,...might not be a good idea....it opens a door of trouble

They can use the DLC they plan to sell, but up the price or alter production cost so a dollar from each of the new DLC planned can be used to finance the production of a free alter/tweak ending DLC.
Win - Win

Fans get free ending DLc and Bioware can use other DLc pricing to make up the cost of it.

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Old 03-19-2012, 10:19 PM   #1372
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I haven't finished
If you make it to the end... well, you'll probably want to take your own life. Here, you better have this:

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Old 03-20-2012, 12:31 AM   #1373
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Hey here is something that will make you laugh,....

These are two fan made endings to ME3 - one is with the breakfast club music and the other is animal house style ending...lol



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Old 03-20-2012, 01:19 AM   #1374
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I gather you'll be getting a red note about the first one. The Animal House one was great. Btw, there's an extended cut of that now - the Vega bit was gold.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:21 AM   #1375
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Well, it's done. I have completed Insanity, and thus completed my quest to get all of the ME3 achievements. Until DLC is announced, and except for the Multiplayer, when I get round to playing it, Goodbye for now, Mass Effect. It's been one hell of a ride.


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Old 03-20-2012, 01:22 AM   #1376
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I will see if I can edit it to hide.
I'm on iPhone so let me see if I can do this ... Typing on iPhone keypad is sometimes a little hard .

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Old 03-20-2012, 02:53 AM   #1377
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ME3 endings were bad enough to complain to the FTC, really?

Seriously now...

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Bioware's Mass Effect 3 has earned plenty of praise from gaming critics, but a small, vocal percentage of players aren't thrilled with the game's ending, to put it mildly.

And now they're bringing their issues to the Feds.

A user on the Bioware forums who goes by the name "El_Spiko" says he has complained to the Federal Trade Commission about the resolution of the trilogy -- and he's calling on other disgruntled fans to do the same.

"After reading through the list of promises about the ending of the game they made in their advertising campaign and PR interviews, it was clear that the product we got did not live up to any of those claims," wrote the poster (who we're assuming didn't file it under the name El_Spiko). "This is not somethign [sic] I was happy to do, but after the terrible ending that was in no way the product that had been advertised to me and the lack of any kind of response from Bioware/EA to address this, I felt it was one of my only recourses."

He also encouraged others unhappy with the ending to complain to the Better Business Bureau.

While the FTC will likely do exactly squat in the matter, Bioware is certainly under fire here. It's tricky to get into the specifics without spoiling the ending for those yet to experience it, but the gist is that there are actually three possible endings to Mass Effect 3, which vary based on the player's in-game actions. However, argue fans, the ultimate conclusion of the game isn't one that's based on how people played the game and is too open-ended. For a series defined by the interplay between player choices and subsequent consequences, that has some people seeing red.

Before complaining to the Feds, gamers launched the usual online protests, including a petition and a charity drive (which has already passed $67,000.) A 'Retake Mass Effect 3' Facebook page has amassed some 42,000 supporters, and an associated Twitter account has over 4,000 followers.

Bioware hasn't made any commitments to address the issue, but did take to Facebook early Monday to acknowledge the complaints.

"We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending," the developer said. "We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out. At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending.

"Your feedback and opinions are of the utmost importance to us. We apologize for any confusion this has caused. Our top priority regarding this discussion is to keep communication with you, our loyal fans, open and productive."

Not everyone is hoping for a change, however. A newly formed 'Keep Mass Effect' group has popped up on Facebook to lend support to Bioware's original vision.

Well, I don't play M.E. despite others' efforts to try to get me to do so. I've heard mixed reviews thus far. I suppose if you think you're being ignored that's one way to go about things.

Yet I cannot help but think some are overreacting...just a little.

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Old 03-20-2012, 03:13 AM   #1378
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There's already a giant ME3 thread.

Not sure how the US laws are structured in this regard, but you could argue with some merit that based on comments by Bioware and EA before release that there is a valid claim for false advertising. Down here at least though I don't think it would hold much legal water as the law is structured primarily to deal with consumers and retailers. There's no false advertising on the retailer's part, unless they were pushing lots of EA's PR material. I think you could end up getting a refund under Oz law, but that's about it.
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:22 AM   #1379
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:29 AM   #1380
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There's already a giant ME3 thread.
As I said, not a player of mass effect here. This thread is sort of for my crowd.

I figured a complaint with involvement of the government was enough to merit its own thread...

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Not sure how the US laws are structured in this regard, but you could argue with some merit that based on comments by Bioware and EA before release that there is a valid claim for false advertising. Down here at least though I don't think it would hold much legal water as the law is structured primarily to deal with consumers and retailers. There's no false advertising on the retailer's part, unless they were pushing lots of EA's PR material. I think you could end up getting a refund under Oz law, but that's about it.
Until recent years, sometimes getting any refunds whatsoever was a bit of a pain.

If enough people complain something might be done but I'm not entirely sure about the actual number of unhappy people, either way. I'd imagine laws are similar in that regard, though.


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Old 03-20-2012, 03:41 AM   #1381
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On the subject of refunds, Amazon is offering refunds on ME3, even if the box was opened. Even the Collector's Edition.

http://www.analoghype.com/video-game...mass-effect-3/
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:29 AM   #1382
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People are mostly refunding the game because of the face import bug and no ETA from Bioware when or if they plan to fix it.
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Old 03-20-2012, 04:32 AM   #1383
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I seriously doubt that is the reason.
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:09 AM   #1384
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Old 03-20-2012, 08:42 AM   #1385
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As I said, not a player of mass effect here. This thread is sort of for my crowd.

I figured a complaint with involvement of the government was enough to merit its own thread...
Nope, moved and merged. This is Lucas Forums not, whine about bioware forums. One thread for that is enough.

People complain to the goverment if McDonalds is out of Mcnuggets, that does not merit its own thread either. j/k
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:06 AM   #1386
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People complain to the goverment if McDonalds is out of Mcnuggets, that does not merit its own thread either. j/k
What, the complaining people or the meriting of its own thread? o_O


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Old 03-20-2012, 01:06 PM   #1387
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If you make it to the end... well, you'll probably want to take your own life. Here, you better have this:

Naw, I don't nerd rage, so I will be fine regardless.

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You haven't seen the end yet...
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Amazingly enough, not everyone actually thinks it's that bad. I don't massively like it but **** me worthy of a goddamn lawsuit it ain't.
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Complaining to the FTC, eh? Well, certainly a legal privilege to do so and even though I doubt the FTC will pursue it to the fullest it does draw attention to the fact that there is a sizable number of people who intensely dislike the ending.

As for me, I've stated before how I dislike the ending, but I don't expect there to be a new one. Sure we might whine and complain, but...whenever Bioware rolls out their next RPG whether it be within the ME universe or perhaps a different one, how many of us whiners are not going to buy it because of our ME3 rage?

For as much as I disliked the ending, I found ME3 overall to be a very entertaining game and well worth my 60$, and I'm going to continue to support Bioware's future endeavors simply because of the 4 Bioware games I've played thus far (KOTOR, and the ME triology) all have been extremely entertaining and provided hundreds of hours of game-play. I think at the end of the day Bioware and others involved with the production and sale of ME3 are expecting most of their target clientele to feel the same way and personally I think they are safe in doing so.

Plus, my main beef with the endings was the lack of closure on the party characters and their stories. Probably done on purpose to save for DLC.
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Old 03-20-2012, 03:59 PM   #1391
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I should file one for Metroid: Other M as I feel completely and utterly ripped off by that entire game.

These guys are just trying to make a point to BioWare and I don't really care how they go about it. If they feel they need to, it's their time to waste doing it... the obviously felt strongly enough about BioWare ending up wasting their time and money with the 3 (at least) ME games coming to the conclusion it did.

Seriously, I know it's easy to mock these guys cause they're getting uppity about all this, but being a huge Metroid fan and then playing Other M... I can see where they're coming from. As for Mass Effect itself... meh, ending sucks but I don't care, I'm just not going to bother playing it over again cause I see no real point since it all ends in the same place anyway.

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I should file one for Metroid: Other M as I feel completely and utterly ripped off by that entire game.
I remember your irk quite well, and it was a confirmation. I got to sample it (the game itself), and yet afterwards I knew I disliked it, just wasn't sure why I disliked it. It just didn't seem quite so true to its roots.

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These guys are just trying to make a point to BioWare and I don't really care how they go about it. If they feel they need to, it's their time to waste doing it... the obviously felt strongly enough about BioWare ending up wasting their time and money with the 3 (at least) ME games coming to the conclusion it did.

Seriously, I know it's easy to mock these guys cause they're getting uppity about all this, but being a huge Metroid fan and then playing Other M... I can see where they're coming from. As for Mass Effect itself... meh, ending sucks but I don't care, I'm just not going to bother playing it over again cause I see no real point since it all ends in the same place anyway.
Not mockery (speaking only for myself) so much as speaking from being inured to what I like/favorites being botched and squeezed for anything their developer can, instead of just being allowed to let die with what little dignity it has left.

Perhaps it can be summed up as:
I say "So your favorite game franchise got screwed over? That really sucks, seriously, but wha'cha gonna do?"
And their reply is "sue their asses, for real".

Perhaps I'm just a bit taken aback, that's all.
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Old 03-20-2012, 09:00 PM   #1393
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whenever Bioware rolls out their next RPG whether it be within the ME universe or perhaps a different one, how many of us whiners are not going to buy it because of our ME3 rage?
Their last 2 games (ME3 and DA2) have generated bad publicity to a level that they've never really seen before. If DA3 (which would appear to be their next game) follows suit - and early signs are it could, with wacky MP and other stuff being proposed - then it's not inconceivable that they may have done their dash with a lot of people. Some people like to deride "Biodrones", but I think there is a limit to how much they will take.
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Old 03-21-2012, 12:49 AM   #1395
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Some will still buy it just so they can whine about how bad it is...
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Old 03-21-2012, 01:03 AM   #1396
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So, how specifically would people here have improved the ending. Also, this being a long thread, maybe I missed it, but exactly what decisions did people make they thought weren't addressed somewhere/anywhere in/by ME3? I can see going straight to the credits from the "bad" ending or even extending the game a scene or two after the "best" ending sequence (or maybe a LOTSB style vid/info file sequence on various surviving charahcters, not great perhaps, but better than what they gave people in terms of "closure" or crewmate wrap-ups).

For myself, I'd say the endings were incomplete and anticlimactic. However, given all the raging, I guess I was further inoculated from expecting too much of the conclusion. For the most part, the game is pretty good, despite its stupid flaws (eg. the face bug being a ridiculous oversight, but nowhere near a dealbreaker as well as the EMS system issue). Fair amount of action and humor, but also a sense of camraderie with your crew that was largely missing in the first two. Still, while I think the FCC thing is hilariously over the top......so was Bioware's implication that 1000s of factors influenced the ending of your game in any meaningful way. Seemingly, judging from reactions, they've been hoisted w/their own petard.


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Old 03-21-2012, 01:36 AM   #1397
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I wouldn't change the ending, but
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Old 03-21-2012, 07:23 AM   #1399
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Sabre: I agree on the Crucible thing, and especially the pointlessness of ME2.
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If I could change the ending (and not the rest of the game(s)).

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Of course these endings assume a larger budget for the ending. So assuming budget constraints just replace my "ending movie" bits with the AP ending (a news report that depends on your choices while the credits roll)

Edit: Jeez, I have way too much time on my hands, sorry a bout the wall of text.


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Old 03-21-2012, 09:30 AM   #1400
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Should we have a separate thread on ME3's endings? This thread is half-obscured with all the Hidden text.


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