This is a tricky one. It demands visual demonstration.
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As you can see, we can see each other, as well as all the other characters and placeables in the area, through the window. Why, then, is that not the case here...
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I know those two seem really dumb, but the Handmaiden and Exile are in the same place in both shots. The poor Handmaiden can't see Tienn and his droid or any of the placeables in the room, either. And when I put placeables near the landing pad, those aren't visible from the garage.
Now, I know it's not the VIS file. If it were that, you wouldn't be able to see anything at all. So what is it? The window's model? Missing TXI file? Some other obstruction? Any ideas?
Doesn't the engine begin to cutoff resources at certain distances? Maybe the UTP's/UTC's on the landing pad when looking through Tienn's window are a great enough distance to be turned off in order to conserve resources..
The truly fallen cannot return to the light. If someone "falls" and "returns," they never really, truly fell.
I don't think it's that. I set a placeable right outside the window, but it wasn't drawn; on the other hand, the Handmaiden is quite a distance from me in 302, but I can see her fine.
Doesn't seem to matter, as far as I can tell. The walkway is part of the same room, though. Strangely the crates on the landing pad, are not, nor are parts of the exterior wall of the swoop gallery; you can see them disappear if you pay attention. But that's a VIS issue, whereas the window issue shouldn't be, for the reasons I specified before.
And in 302 I placed her quite a distance away, basically as far as I could get, clear on the other side of the area, and she was still visible.
64-bit Windows 7. I don't recall whether or not I ever had this problem before... I know I noticed oddities like this before, they happen no matter what, but I don't recall this specific one.
And I don't think it's the pit because I put a placeable in the pit area, right in front of the window, didn't see it.
The VIS only handles the area geometry. As far as I can tell, the entire room you are in is rendered at any time, as well as any of the rooms listed in the VIS under that room. Everything else is dependent on whether your character is currently looking at it, which is why you get nonsense like shadows taking a few seconds to appear when it cuts to another camera angle. So characters and placeables and such behind walls won't be rendered; objects themselves don't seem to obstruct vision in this way, however, which was how Obsidian was able to make Force Sight see through doors.
Now, obviously they did something to the window in the Refugee Sector so that it would work like a window, allowing you to see objects on the other side. But for some reason they didn't do that with the window by the landing pad; it seems to function like a regular wall.
looking at the models in gmax...there are a few differences, not sure how significant they are...differences in ambient and diffuse colors regarding the window objects within the models exists..Also, in the refugee sector the front and backside of the window is contained in one room model where the in the landing pad area the the interior and exteriror of the window are in separate room models.
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It's the window itself, the object in the model from the 301narg. I deleted the window object and ran the model back thru kaurora. I left my party on the landing platform and when I returned to the room, I could see them standing there.
Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool that follows?
Just exactly what is a head-piece to the Staff of Ra?
I swapped out the texture for a completely invisible one as Fallen Guardian suggested, and of course that made everything visible again. However, anything less than completely invisible would bring the problem back; this led me to conclude it must be a TXI issue, and so here we are.
Now, I noticed that source of this window texture is from Dantooine. I want to make sure changing it doesn't adversely affect anything anywhere else... but I don't remember any windows on Dantooine. Anybody know where it's from?
I swapped out the texture for a completely invisible one as Fallen Guardian suggested, and of course that made everything visible again. However, anything less than completely invisible would bring the problem back; this led me to conclude it must be a TXI issue, and so here we are.
Now, I noticed that source of this window texture is from Dantooine. I want to make sure changing it doesn't adversely affect anything anywhere else... but I don't remember any windows on Dantooine. Anybody know where it's from?
I don't remember those two textures being used for Dantooine(DAN_Wn01, DAN_Wn02), but I could be wrong about that. I found out the same thing myself, although I didn't add a txi file. So in this image, it is using both the Alpha channel and effect as in the normal game:
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I haven't yet checked if you can see through this window yet, though obviously the Hawk is visible(though that might not mean much, since it is the same in your images in the first post).
I'm not sure if it'll affect anything else... I suppose I could figure out but I'm sort of busy, so I'll just leave it to you all to let me know if I screwed anything up.
Even if I did, I could just hex edit it to use a different texture.
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... that's a nice catch. The Ebon Hawk mesh is quite messy I know ... but I've spawned NPCs close to it without major issues ...
Buggy game ...
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