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Old 12-18-2012, 11:53 AM   #1321
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What do you mean? There have been a lot of gun control debates and gun laws passed in this country. There have also been discussions about school violence, particularly since Columbine. And there have been definite changes. I remember that when I was in high school, anyone could just walk in the building. Now the doors are locked and you can't get in without identifying yourself and having your reason for being there verified.
What I mean is that one side always seems to take the "ban everything!!!" position, and the other always takes the "From my cold, dead hands... people kill people!... zero regulation!" position.

Neither side ever wants to give any credit to the other for strongly held and legitimate positions, and neither side ever wants to give the slightest bit of ground in a compromise... so like in most situations, we always seem to nationally meet in stalemate, and nothing realistic ever gets done.

Again: I don't have the answer or solutions... but it sure doesn't feel to me like anyone has ever dropped their posturing on either side to bother to try to make things better in a long time.
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Every time something like this happens, we all want to start thinking about how we can stop it from ever happening again. But I don't think we can. Unless every step we take is constantly monitored and controlled. And I don't want to live in that world.

A school shooting (or any public violent act) is a tragedy, but it's not exactly an epidemic. This isn't happening every day. To be honest, I don't really think our laws on this or the policies of our schools are defective. If we want it to happen even less, the changes have to come at a personal level - we have to strive to be a virtuous society that produces virtuous people, and we aren't exactly doing that now.
We will never eliminate violence as long as humans continue at the current level of evolution... but we can see if there are things that can be done to detect and help those prone to it earlier... before they act out their schemes. And there must be some things we can do to lessen the devastation when it does happen.

Do average citizens really need military-spec firearms for hunting or self-defense? I dunno... I don't like the idea of being told what I can own or not own... but maybe it's something that needs to be considered again.

Ultimately, you are right: If someone gets it in their head to commit an atrocity, they will find a way and the gear to do it. But does it need to be so easy as it currently is to equip for one? With lesser weapons at their disposal, will they be as widespread or deadly? With sufficient roadblocks to getting the gear it would take, would they drop the plan altogether?

A thought: We threw the entire military might of our nation against a loose band of terrorists with ill-defined goals scattered across foreign soil on the opposite side of the globe after a single devastating attack. We could have said: Well, what can you do? After all, this doesn't happen every day...

But obviously, some kind of action needed to happen. Realistically: It won't ever stop terrorism. But ignoring it and looking the other way wasn't an option.

I think in this instance it's similar. Anything we do won't eliminate occasional mass violence in this fashion. But it feels like this time we can't just throw up our hands this time, coast along, and not attempt to address it nationally in some way.


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Old 12-18-2012, 12:38 PM   #1322
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i saw something on facebook i dunno a reagan quote maybe it said the criminals should pay the price for their crime, not society. i think schools should have better security, more jobs for people!


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What I mean is that one side always seems to take the "ban everything!!!" position, and the other always takes the "From my cold, dead hands... people kill people!... zero regulation!" position.

Neither side ever wants to give any credit to the other for strongly held and legitimate positions, and neither side ever wants to give the slightest bit of ground in a compromise... so like in most situations, we always seem to nationally meet in stalemate, and nothing realistic ever gets done.
Well, when the two sides are diametrically opposite one another ideologically, there isn't much room for compromise. It's a matter of philosophy, not degree or practicality.

But still, there has been legislation passed. There was the assault weapons ban and the waiting periods, for instance. It's been discussed, and things have been done. Obviously it varies from state to state.

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Again: I don't have the answer or solutions... but it sure doesn't feel to me like anyone has ever dropped their posturing on either side to bother to try to make things better in a long time.
One thing I noticed is that people often criticize politicians for using tragedies to "further their political agendas". And while certainly tact and timing must be observed, using a tragedy as an example of why your ideas are right is not a bad thing - it's how you present evidence for your position. I guess if it's something you really believe in, that's one thing, but if it's your political agenda simply because you're in someone's pocket, well...not so much.

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Do average citizens really need military-spec firearms for hunting or self-defense? I dunno... I don't like the idea of being told what I can own or not own... but maybe it's something that needs to be considered again.

Ultimately, you are right: If someone gets it in their head to commit an atrocity, they will find a way and the gear to do it. But does it need to be so easy as it currently is to equip for one? With lesser weapons at their disposal, will they be as widespread or deadly? With sufficient roadblocks to getting the gear it would take, would they drop the plan altogether?
If you can reduce, say, 20 deaths from this kind of violence per year down to 2, is that worth all the extra laws and regulations that would have to be made and enforced? Some might say yes, since that's a 1000% improvement. But it has no significant impact on the percentages of people actually getting killed. Your chances of getting killed in a school shooting like this are ridiculously low. And sure, if it's your kid that actually got killed, you feel like any action is worth it. But, being practical instead of emotional about it, I'm not sure that we can actually do anything here that is worth it.

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A thought: We threw the entire military might of our nation against a loose band of terrorists with ill-defined goals scattered across foreign soil on the opposite side of the globe after a single devastating attack. We could have said: Well, what can you do? After all, this doesn't happen every day...

But obviously, some kind of action needed to happen. Realistically: It won't ever stop terrorism. But ignoring it and looking the other way wasn't an option.

I think in this instance it's similar. Anything we do won't eliminate occasional mass violence in this fashion. But it feels like this time we can't just throw up our hands this time, coast along, and not attempt to address it nationally in some way.
I was thinking about this the other day. Did we really have to do what we did? A concentrated effort to find those responsible was reasonable, but was the mass action that we took out of a sense of justice? Or was it revenge? Or just a need to DO SOMETHING? Or give the appearance that we were?

Sometimes the most reasonable course of action is to just take your bloody nose, heal up, and check your defenses for next time. A tough pill to swallow, granted.
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Old 12-18-2012, 03:55 PM   #1324
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Old 12-18-2012, 04:14 PM   #1325
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i think schools should have better security, more jobs for people!
Then the question becomes: "How are we going to pay for it?"

If not by raising taxes, then what are we going to cut?

That's where the argument starts up again... Where it always falls down.


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Old 12-19-2012, 12:11 AM   #1326
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the commonly held belief by conservatives is LESS money should be spent on education, or less taxes, and less spending.

ONe idea that might have some merit is allowing the teachers to have concealed carried weapons. Might not stop school shootings, but it might reduce the casualties.


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Old 12-19-2012, 10:36 AM   #1327
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I'm not sure I'd be comfortable knowing that a bunch of overworked, underpaid, stressed-out public school teachers were all carrying firearms around a bunch of curious, excitable, judgement-lacking children.

Seems like a recipe for more horror and disaster.


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Old 12-19-2012, 10:42 AM   #1328
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:59 AM   #1329
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If you have 60 teachers in a school, now you have at least 60 guns there too. All it would take is one teacher to get distracted enough... and now those students could have access to a gun.

I don't see it making anything safer.


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I seriously doubt having a full-time armed security guard at every school would be worth the cost. And having all the teachers carry guns could indeed be very problematic. Maybe the willing teachers, properly and continuously trained, if it were kept secret somehow. But what might be better is having a single locked-up gun somewhere with only the administrators and possibly a subset of approved teachers having access to it. That wouldn't be a huge cost, and it could conceivably be enough to stop a school shooter in the act before the police could get there. But still, probably not before he's already started killing. Even if every teacher were armed, if a killer got in the building without immediately being noticed, there's still a good chance people would die before anyone could stop him.
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Maybe it's time to re-evaluate the obvious safety and social control aspects of raising our kids with the long-dismissed "Skinner Box" theory.



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Old 12-19-2012, 01:22 PM   #1333
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i hate colds. got dayquil, nasal spray, and vapor rub. missing some gym time tonight, my nose is too runny and i dont want to spread my germs.

Star Wars The Old Republic is freaking awesome...was playing it for a time here today, sometimes the internet works good enough for it, but yesterday it was laggy as hell!

i got it so ****in good here...so much better than what i thought it would be. it feels just like home actually. and i am happy all my bills are going to get paid while i'm here and loan paid off as well, so i can have a great time at home when i get back...planning on turning my rented room into the ultimate gaming theatre. which i will never have to leave mwahahahahahahahaaaa


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Going to get 7-12 inches of snow Thursday morning. North of madison going to be heavier



Schools are already shutting down, and I still have to go to work tomorrow after the snow stops around noon


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Old 12-20-2012, 09:08 AM   #1335
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Ugh. Good luck with all of that!

Finishing up the semester, and the school year, with a couple of short shifts today and tomorrow.

Then I'm off until New Year's Eve.

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Ugh. Good luck with all of that!

Finishing up the semester, and the school year, with a couple of short shifts today and tomorrow.

Then I'm off until New Year's Eve.

Yay.
Same, except I'm going to be off through New Year's Day. That will be nice, though I've been spending most of my time taking care of my mom after her surgery, and her recovery is still going to take a while yet.
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end of the world is coming....nice knowing you all. the mayans were right.


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I got my synth back - still has the same problem even after they supposedly replaced every single part in it. This is getting ridiculous. I don't know why they can't reproduce the problem. Maybe it is something with my other gear, although I believe I logically eliminated that possibility. Maybe I'll take it to a friend's studio and see what I can find there.

All I want to do is marry a virtuous, traditional Catholic supermodel and synthesize things. Is that really asking so much!?
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about 6 inches fell, and it took an hour of shoveling to clear the driveway and sidewalk. (Snow blower not working). When I came home there was 30 MPh winds and the blowing created another 4 inches I have to shovel tomorrow morning to go to work... again.

I am kind of hoping the world will end tonight... or tomorrow before i go to work.


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A follow up to my last post...





Didn't sleep great last night... but work won't be very challenging.


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Gawd, the weather sucks around here today!

Ahhhh...

Well played, Mayans. Well played.



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Welp... that's it. No more work until NYE.

Time to get into relax mode.


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I own a Nexus 7 now.

I'm also with out a job.

Wierd how that works. >.<

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Sorry to hear that, Crackles...

It's been a mixed bag year for the ol' XWA crew... has it not?

I have consciously decided to be epically lazy and unproductive all day today. I think I'll spend most of it playing video games. Watch some TV. Nap...

I figure that was what was going to happen even if I planned on being ultra-productive. Why fight it?



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Am I the only one here who's had a good year overall, Ed? I mean, between getting my long-term health addressed, finding a sister (and a nephew and niece), and my bowling accomplishments (not to mention getting my mobile phone upgraded), I had a great one.


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how my year i went

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completed first semester of college
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fiance dumped me between my birthday and valentine's day
they keep adding bull**** to this deployment trying to make it not so fun-**** that doesn't even pertain to our mission/jobs.


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My year started out promising... but went downhill in a big way for most of the 2nd half.

That's why I called it a mixed bag. Some ups... some downs.


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Annnnnnnnnnd fraudulent charges on my credit card. I swear this happens to me like once a year.
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this year has been definitely better then last year. Finances are tight, but long term outlooks are good. Already have 1/3 of the principal of the house paid off, and our non-mortgage debt is going to be gone by july of next year

Just wish we could travel more. Biggest problem is that at my job i cannot get any summer days off.


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And I just remembered that my year actually got off to a bad start when my class treasurer, whom I had worked with on my last class reunion, passed away.


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i got a whole list of resolutions
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work on getting promoted to specialist
lose freaking weight 30 pounds i gained at camp shelby
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use some money i make from this deployment to fix up my apartment the way i can really enjoy it
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Yeah. Luckily it's easy to clear up.

On the plus side, I grilled up some dang tasty mushroom swiss burgers last night.
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Finally some time off! So what happens?

I feel like crap.

Never fails.

I'm starting to think that relaxation is just no good for me.


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damn bro...i just got over a cold...well sortof. took dayquil and mixed it with robitussin it knocked me out but my congestion is almost gone.


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