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Old 10-25-2012, 06:55 AM   #1
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ME4 on the Cards

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Probably for the best that Shepard won't be in it, regardless of what happens in the game itself.

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Probably for the best that Shepard won't be in it, regardless of what happens in the game itself.
Agreed, though I'm taking a neutral stance (like with Dragon Age III) until more info is revealed.

Though I do think most everyone in the world is going to hate it because either A) they truly were dissatisfied with the ending for 3, vanilla or extended, or B) bandwagoners.
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I'd be so incredibly stoked for this game if it was on the premise that every one of the fleets have crashed to Earth and everyone's fighting for survival.


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Seeing as we'll undoubtedly be stuck playing a Human again, I would think the only options are some sort of prequel (probably set in the First Contact War), or something set hundreds of years after the events of ME1-3. The first option is probably too constrained, so the latter is the likely option. In which event, I would think Liara would make at least a cameo appearance, Asari living 1000 years as they do.
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Old 10-25-2012, 10:44 AM   #6
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It will be a MMO and not be released for another 4 to 5 years.


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Seeing as we'll undoubtedly be stuck playing a Human again, I would think the only options are some sort of prequel (probably set in the First Contact War), or something set hundreds of years after the events of ME1-3. The first option is probably too constrained, so the latter is the likely option. In which event, I would think Liara would make at least a cameo appearance, Asari living 1000 years as they do.
Technically speaking, Liara could potentially have died during Mass Effect 3. Really, being locked in as human is something BioWare has been doing since KOTOR. Did people complain then too?

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Old 10-25-2012, 11:51 AM   #8
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Did people complain then too?
Yes...but now people complain about everything... and bioware could open it up to many different species and people would complain because they left out elcor and hanar. Me...I'll just keep complaining there is no Jade Empire 2.


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Yes...but now people complain about everything... and bioware could open it up to many different species and people would complain because they left out elcor and hanar. Me...I'll just keep complaining there is no Jade Empire 2.
I'm pretty sure people would complain even if BioWare made a new IP without any intelligent races other than humans.

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so you are really saying if they made a IP with no intelligent races?


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I'd be so incredibly stoked for this game if it was on the premise that every one of the fleets have crashed to Earth and everyone's fighting for survival.
As if Bioware would risk upsetting their fanbase like that..



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Old 10-25-2012, 03:23 PM   #12
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Probably for the best that Shepard won't be in it.
Considering the endings for ME3, (without spoiling) It would be rather strange for shepard to be in it. Unless they go with the fan created ideas.


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Old 10-25-2012, 04:41 PM   #13
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I'd be so incredibly stoked for this game if it was on the premise that every one of the fleets have crashed to Earth and everyone's fighting for survival.
There is no ending to Mass Effect 3 in which that makes sense.

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There is no sense in any of the ME3 endings.

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there is for those with a open mind.


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Old 10-25-2012, 11:51 PM   #17
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I'd be so incredibly stoked for this game if it was on the premise that every one of the fleets have crashed to Earth and everyone's fighting for survival.
That would rock.


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Old 10-26-2012, 02:00 AM   #18
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I'm prolly not gonna get this, I know it's time to move past the endings but it really just ruined my ME experience for me.

However, my outlook into this is that it's going to be a different kind of game, prolly not a complete RPG. (Yeah, I know defies ME). I'm thinking that Bioware may convert this into a total 3rd-person shooter/action game. Why? There's not much premises to go on beyond the ME3 endings solely due to the fact that the story is over, and the galaxy is unified (mostly). This probably will be a prequel, most likely during First Contact War.

If this would be the case, I would certainly be interested, perhaps even if they added us into playing as Anderson during the war.
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Old 10-26-2012, 03:08 AM   #19
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There is no ending to Mass Effect 3 in which that makes sense.
Vanilla Control and one of the Vanilla Destroy endings - relays destroyed, Reapers gone, all fleets stuck orbiting Earth.

Unless accepting the vanilla endings has become uncool now, in which case my bad.


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Like someone that has had brain surgery?
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:21 PM   #21
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i think u can rest shepard for now...the could just give the option to edit your characters full name then people could have there own unofficial shepards.

Hope they make 3 more games starting with ME4 after which there probably replace the old redundant with a ME..MMO


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Old 11-04-2012, 10:34 PM   #22
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Well, if they're smart, they'll learn from their mistake w/ME 1-3 and won't overemphasize the degree to which your decisions will (not) have on the unfolding of the new story. Frankly, the main problem with the endings isn't that some/all don't make any sense, but rather that they failed to satisfy many peoples' expectations about just what impact their decisions actually made on the finale. The original ending left too many questions about the aftermath, some of which were handled by the EC. All in all, though, the real lesson from this controversy ought to be to just release the damn game "when it's done" and not according to some grand marketing plan. That and quit making people pay for DLC that should have been in the game in the first place (yeah, not holding my breath on that one).


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I'd be so incredibly stoked for this game if it was on the premise that every one of the fleets have crashed to Earth and everyone's fighting for survival.
Sid Meier's Mass Effect 4?

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Seeing as we'll undoubtedly be stuck playing a Human again, I would think the only options are some sort of prequel (probably set in the First Contact War), or something set hundreds of years after the events of ME1-3. The first option is probably too constrained, so the latter is the likely option. In which event, I would think Liara would make at least a cameo appearance, Asari living 1000 years as they do.
If it's going to be set in the mass effect universe people are familiar with it'll have to take place just before the Reaper storyline started, since there isn't much left afterward in most endings, and they'd have to make one ending canon (since the fate of the whole galaxy differs significantly enough between endings) which would piss off even more people.

Still if they do Wrex could probably show up as well since Krogan seems to have as long lifespans as asari do (unless they get killed first).

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Considering the endings for ME3, (without spoiling) It would be rather strange for shepard to be in it. Unless they go with the fan created ideas.
Unless it's a zombie apocalypse game and you play as a reanimated undead Shepard.

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Old 11-05-2012, 02:03 AM   #24
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they'd have to make one ending canon (since the fate of the whole galaxy differs significantly enough between endings) which would piss off even more people.
Bioware have demonstrated on a number of occasions that they aren't averse to doing that. I read a post by Gaider the other day which essentially said "screw the fans - our vision comes first" when discussing this issue (albeit regarding the DA franchise).

I still think something set after the current series is the most likely, so I'd be expecting either an outright canonical choice, or some sort sort of "blend" of all three a la Deus Ex 2. Which actually makes a lot of sense, seeing as they pretty much stole the ME3 endings outright from DX1 anyway.
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While the ending-blend was one of Deus Ex 2's many interesting design experiments, I can't say I liked it. It just ended up alienating JC Denton from the one I knew, because apparently he supported the two other visions that I didn't.

It was also unfair for the players, because it magically brings out a 'fourth' way of combining all the endings, that wasn't available in the actual game. All in all, it alienates and frustrates while only serving to make matters convenient for the designers.

I'd rather a good story starting off a canon ending. I do agree with BioWare's stance on these things - their vision comes first. It's their story, and they don't have to please the fans just for the sentiment.


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Old 11-05-2012, 07:47 PM   #26
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I the 4th ME can be where the future has the civilization study mass effect fields which leads to a wormhole that sends the player to a parallel universe.

The antagonist or threat could also jump or lead the player to go through this wormhole.

The ending of ME3 could influence the player's look and bio.

In the parrallel universe you see a universe where the Reapers maybe never exist or were defeated earlier in a earlier cycle then the original.

Imagine seeing a works where the war between the arancoids ended different. Maybe the geth and quarans are in different situations.

And have a new threat that will not alter or be little the reapers in your universe.

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I the 4th ME can be where the future has the civilization study mass effect fields which leads to a wormhole that sends the player to a parallel universe.
Mass Effect: Infinite?



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I think Mass Effect has been borrowing liberally enough from Gurren Lagann already, logan.


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BioWare formally announces new Mass Effect game

Nothing too special, but it's being made at the Montreal studio, has Casey Hudson in lead, will be helped by the Edmonton studio, is being made on Frostbite 2 (based on the work by the Dragon Age III team) and that it is going to take a while, so you might want to make a cup of tea or something.


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Frostbite 2, eh? Intredasting..

I'm unsure what to think about ME4, after the royal mess that was made of the third one.

One things for sure: I really hope they don't actually call this one "Mass Effect 4". It should have a subtitle, like other ME spinoff products.



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Honestly, Mass Effect 3's ending was incredibly... uninspiring. I was hoping Shepard would survive the ordeal and he could live the rest of his life with his final romance choice... but no... he had to die one way or another... and his romance choice even has the option of being slaughtered... I guess they can both cuddle in hell... or heaven... or whatever damned afterlife they went to.

I am going to be incredibly cautious with Mass Effect 4, hell I might even rent it before I actually buy it. I do agree that they don't need to call it Mass Effect 4, that would imply that Shepard was going to be in the game since he is the main protagonist in the other three.

Perhaps one way they could go about it, is that there was a base of Protheans which evaded destruction by the Reapers, but only barely, because they were encased underground. Then they try and take over the universe since they believe them to be superior (like Javik said he didn't understand that the races had evolved as much as they had). Though that could of course be met with negativity since all Protheans were destroyed by the Reapers and it wouldn't exactly make sense that an entire world went untouched by them...

Honestly I don't know, but I wouldn't think they'd put it in the First Contact War, because then that'd make all your companions human and that goes against what people expect from a Mass Effect game...


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I would think it would not be attached with the 4 moniker. Because of the fact that Shepard has basically no possibility of being in it effectively.

My thought is that a prequel would be pretty likely, easier to pull off. The ambiguity of the ending would make a sequel type much harder, people that chose synthesis would want to know were the relays had gone or the other way if they wanted the destroy or control.


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I would think it would not be attached with the 4 moniker.
Yeah, there was a report from BioWare a little while ago that said the next game will not be called "Mass Effect 4". Shouldn't be too hard to find.

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Old 02-25-2013, 11:55 AM   #34
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I'm hoping the next ME game is a sequel, prequels always disappoint.


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I have never liked prequels for anything. In my opinion, unless you're a lore fanatic of, say, the lord of the rings, then you'd love to watch the Hobbit, to see background of characters and events leading up to the trilogy. However, that is IT. There's no wonder of the ending, 'cause you know it. There's no wonder of character fate, because unless they are only introduced and killed off in that prequel, you know what happens to them.

The ONLY thing that could be good about a prequel is a Halo: Reach tragic it's all about caring about the characters kind of move. As in, make the characters themselves THE story. BioWare could easily pull that off.


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Mac Walters confirms working on Mass Effect 4; defend's Mass Effect 3's ending.

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A minority indeed.

However, while that may possibly be true, it seems to me that the group of people that disliked 3's ending were a majority of the ones who invested themselves in the series, i.e. dedicated fans, as opposed to people who simply played the game. And as has been expressed elsewhere, I think it's interesting that Bioware decided to create an entire DLC to address the concerns of such a minority.
I also don't know where Bioware is getting their numbers, because, as demonstrated in the video, basically every single poll concerning Mass Effect 3's ending on the internet shows the majority of voters having issues with the game's ending/regarding them negatively.

Personally, I can actually accept Walter's involvement in 4 - I agree that most of 3 is great, up to the last part. What worries me is that he continues to defend the endings specifically.


On a positive note, he acknowledges that this next instalment shouldn't really be called "Mass Effect 4".



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Are they still going to try and call it an RPG when it's not? ...unless they put ACTUAL RPG elements into it.

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To be fair, the Drs and various lead devs have said for years that Bioware don't make RPGs as such, they make "story-driven" games. If it has an RPG label on it you can probably attribute that to the PR department.
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Thank god, both Casey and Mac are on this. Looks like it'll actually have a *good* story again. Now all I hope is David Gaider and the DA2 team is still writing DA3 and I'll be quite happy with post-DA1 BioWare.


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Just trying to figure out if they're going back more toward ME1 or in the direction of ME3...

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