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Old 02-25-2013, 07:38 PM   #41
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I hope they change it.

And I'm a "Balance" shadow, not infiltration. So I don't even have those weaknesses or clairvoyance. I don't tend to use shadow strike either. Stealth is generally for avoiding combat or cc, not aiding it (for me).
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:02 PM   #42
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Well I asked you more than once and instead of answering you just continued whinning, so I just assumed you were infiltration because then at least you would have something to whine about.


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Old 02-26-2013, 05:56 AM   #43
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That's cause I really don't know what the trees are called from out of my head. I could only mention it now because I looked it up ingame.
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:49 AM   #44
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Well, may as well put it bluntly then. You're f***ed. Utterly totally f***ed if you're basing your entire rotation around Tumult. Guess there's just no hope any more.

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I don't have a rotation. I just do what's best for the problem facing me, with the resources I have.
And if that problem has weak/normal/strong enemies, yes, tumult is used.

But I suppose having no fixed rotation is making me a noob, right? I should burn in hell for my variation. I should burn in hell for having fun. Good thing BioWare's on the case of lessening it for me...
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Old 02-26-2013, 12:55 PM   #46
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i dont know what they mean by rotation? is that order of specials used vs mob? i never done a flashpoint or an op...the group finder never works.


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But I suppose having no fixed rotation is making me a noob, right?
No, but it makes the game more difficut for you and give you no leg to stand on when talking about energy/force/focus/heat management. So your complaint about bioware taking away a skill is irrelevant since you are not playing you toon to its full potential now.


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@ hassat: As for having fun... I seem to be having more fun in this game than you XD

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Old 02-26-2013, 01:20 PM   #49
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i dont know what they mean by rotation? is that order of specials used vs mob?
It means using specific skills in such an order that it maximizes your DPS, heals or tanking and keeps your energy/focus/heat/force in check. You can have different rotations based on the situation (boss fights, single targets, multiple targets). In a way, you pick a certain amount of skills that are both useful and complementary to your other skills, and use them in a way so you are most effective in combat and don't run out of your energy/focus/whatever.


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No, but it makes the game more difficut for you and give you no leg to stand on when talking about energy/force/focus/heat management. So your complaint about bioware taking away a skill is irrelevant since you are not playing you toon to its full potential now.
Meh, I don't need a predifined rotation to see what skill is best for me in what instance. Because, really, there aren't that many (useful) skills anyway. So it's boring enough already as is using the same abilities. It only gets worse with another perfect combo/power gone.
Ability bloat apparently skipped the consular?

Oh, and only when you're at full potential is using a certain skill useful. Not while leveling, getting gear still? Taking a lvl 30 ability away and giving a 51 back, all good?

I rarely played KOTOR2 as Force Lightning everyone. Maybe I shouldn't have worked on TSLRCM, obviously knowing nothing about that game, and being unable to properly feedback it and it's issues.
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@ hassat: As for having fun... I seem to be having more fun in this game than you XD
Apparently. I guess I would have more fun if stupid stupid things Bio does wouldn't upset me and I can overflow them with some blind love ("repair costs? Lovely! New people don't ever need to learn FPs. I love grinding dailies hours at end. You should be super-pro at start or be punished"), but I am afraid I am incapable of such blind ignorance. I suppose I would be happy playing my PvE server and getting grieved just trying to do my stuff because "hey, that pvp person is happy"... but I can't. Especially since I need to travel all the way back on ridiculous large maps. I suppose I should just be happy that they replaced the server screen with an infinite loading screen and I have to manually terminate the game but I can't. I suppose I should be happy I can no longer search "22" when I want to sell a 22 augment, but I can't.
I suppose I would have more fun if I can do combat however I want... but Bio doesn't want me to.
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:17 PM   #51
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For anyone wondering what is up with PvP/PvE gearing in patch 2.0 and what it looks like here's some info:

There is completely new gear for PvP, check out this video for all the changes:

PvP Gearing changes in 2.0: http://youtu.be/hq8TEA6wCoA

OR if you don't like videos

So there is Partisan and Conqueror gear for PvP.
A full set of Partisan gear costs 12,475 WZ comms and has 2018 expertise.
A full set of Conqueror gear costs 1,000 WZ comms, 28,600 Ranked WZ comms, and also has 2018 expertise.
Firebrand is the new Rated Gear - A full set cost 1,890 Ranked WZ comms, 2400 rating

WZ comms to ranked WZ comms conversion has stayed the same. That's pretty much it.

I would like to note the specific changes to recruit gear, that being its removal. You're probably wondering how you're going to fair in PvP without a beginner's PvP set. Well Bioware has decided to replace recruit gear with its bolstering mechanic used in brackets 1-49. In patch 2.0 there are three brackets: LvL's 10-29, LvL's 30-54, LvL 55. That means if you go into bracket 10-29 you'll be boosted up to LvL 29, and if you go into bracket 30-54 you'll be boosted to LvL 54. Your stat bolstering will be determined by item LvL not character level this time around.

For PvE gear, there is also new gear. Now we have Arkanian Gear as Tier 1 and Underworld Gear as Tier 2. I'll update this post with new costs and requirements when I'm done with classes for the day.

If you're looking for item models for all this armor check out this site: http://dulfy.net/2013/02/20/swtor-le...odels-preview/

Hope this helps!
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Old 02-26-2013, 04:31 PM   #52
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Meh, I don't need a predifined rotation to see what skill is best for me in what instance.
Then don't play the game right and don't be surprised when people kick and ignore you from groups. You think it is hard finding a healer now, try finding one when you are on 20 to 30 ignore list. I don't mind helping new players, what I can't deal with is people that are terrible, but think they are all of that. I largely played like you when I first hit 50 on my first toon. Did what I wanted, when I wanted. However, that does not work for harder content. If you want to stink and wipe and play the way you want, that is fine, but please stay away from operations and HMFP unless with people that don't mind carrying you through the instances. Because if you complete it without a rotation you were carried there is no if ands or buts about it. You are a menace to group play, sorry to be blunt, but it is a fact. Just like I was a menace to group play when I first hit 50. The difference was I wanted to get better and I would take suggestions and advice.


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Old 02-26-2013, 09:11 PM   #53
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Added to what mim said... it's easy to blame BioWare for everything, but not everything is BioWare's fault. A lot of it is YOUR fault for just ignoring mechanics and just being a total grump. You're never going to have fun with this game, the entire fun of this game for you seems to be to complain about it, it's old crotchety man syndrome.

Plus, what the hell are YOU complaining about repair costs? You don't do ops. Try doing ops and owning the highest level gear with these repair costs and THEN come to me and start bitching. And yeah, while repair costs suck, all BioWare did was fix it so the repair formula worked the way it should and restored it to the way it used to be.

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To be fair, the majority of specs and classes in TOR don't use a true rotation system, but more of a combination of ability priority systems and ability synergism. For example on live right now, Force Stun > Tumult are two abilities that work in synergy. Just like Weaken Mind > Force In Balance work well together, or how TKT can proc instant cast Mind Crushes. In summation you don't have to learn a "rotation" but it behooves you to learn the mechanics behind all of your abilities beyond what you read on the skill tooltips.


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Old 02-27-2013, 11:04 AM   #55
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To be fair, the majority of specs and classes in TOR don't use a true rotation system
Yeah, Mav is correct, it really isn't a rotation it is a priority system...If the proc is up do this for maximum damage and energy management.

Not sure how accurate this is for balance, but for the infiltration shadow it seems correct.

http://r2-db.com/article-rss/18180/t...ndbook#Balance

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Saber Strike (Out of Force)
Force in Balance (Even single target, every CD)
Telekinetic Throw (Under Force Potency)
Project (If Twin Disciplines is not active, or about to expire)
Spinning Strike (Target at 30% health or less)
Shadow Strike (Find Weakness, behind target)
Mind Crush (Force Strike buff, preferentially on an unafflicted target)
Sever Force (On a target not currently afflicted, or about to expire)
Force Breach
Telekinetic Throw (if you need healing or are low on Force)
Double Strike or Whirling Blow
Of course that is all going to depend on your build. This list of Priorities is for this build http://www.torhead.com/skill-calc#60...bZcMfRrMkrfz.2

If you set learn what abilities produce what proc (buffs) and what abilities consume what proc and give you the highest damage and lowest energy usage, then I promise you the game will get easier and you will not miss Tumult because stuff will die before energy management is even a issue.

This is a MMO, BioWare is not going to please everyone all the time. Like you I am not happy Cheap Shot is being removed, but I will adapt to my new priority list depending on my build. I am not happy about all the equipment that me and my groups have worked on getting is about to become worthless either, but I will get new gear.

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i dont know what they mean by rotation? is that order of specials used vs mob?
Here is a guide on sniper (if that is the class you are playing) if not google for a guide or look on the offical forum.


As to group finder not working, are you expecting a instant pop?

Leveling they can take forever to pop.

At 50, for dps you are in for a wait too. Longest I think I have waited is 45 mins on dps, it was so long that I forgot that I was even in group finder.

http://www.swtor.com/blog/guide-group-finder

Operation you are even looking for a longer wait. I have only done one ops in group finder for a random group and it took about a hour to pop even though I was on my healer. Then the group was so bad they couldn't even beat enrage on the second boss and then yelled at the healer (me) for them dying. Needless to say, I only do guild runs and a few runs with people I have ran with before now.


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Old 02-27-2013, 12:24 PM   #56
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well my sniper never had to worry about that ****. cept in pvp but that is more of a gear issue.

ahh the group finder only looks for damage/tank/heal with whatever is the best that is lfg?

second, how can I START up a group like that, if i can't join one?


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well my sniper never had to worry about that ****. cept in pvp but that is more of a gear issue.
PVE and PVE both have gear and skill issue. You can complete solo without a priority system, I know I did is with a sawbones. However, you will not be able to pull off group content proficiently without a priority list. If you are not using one in group content then you are being carried.

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ahh the group finder only looks for damage/tank/heal with whatever is the best that is lfg?

second, how can I START up a group like that, if i can't join one?
If you are DPS - Pick Damage as your role. Sniper is a dps spec. Dps = Damage per second.

In a hardmode Flashpoint you will get put into a group with:
1- Tank
1 - Healer
1 - other DPS (2 total including you)

If you want to enter Group Finder with a ready made group then you need
1 - Tank
1- Healer
2 - DPS (including you if your role is dps)

For operations you need
2 - Tanks
2 - Healers
4 -Dps (including you)

That is the reason group finder takes so long, shortage of Tanks and sometimes healers willing to play with pickup groups (pugs).



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Old 02-27-2013, 01:20 PM   #58
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ah probably good thing i picked juggernaut for my sith warrior on the pvp server then.


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lol what are they going to do, report me?


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They told me it was the healers fault.


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Heh, people were suprised I could complete HM FP's with pre-Tionese gear just fine (well, haven't tried LI of course). Having access to purple now, it can only get better. I'm nog such a noob as you guys want to believe. I do take suggestions. However simply removing a powerful ability isn't really a "suggestion".

I got complains about Force Wave use in HM FP's. I refrained to use it throughout that entire match with the person complaining about it. But I am not going to remove it from my quickbar. Free damage (no force power), individual recharge, AoE, tumult option. It's pretty good. Just have to be careful when to use it. Sometimes I do blast people out of the big green thing on the floor (when it's cast when I cast it), but more than that I use it to blast people in the green area. Or force a fall. Or just plainly do damage to all boss-types. Save a teammate being attacked. If I was going to simply ignore it like I apparently should I only hamper my options to be useful. Same for tumult. It's use may be limited, but in those limited cases, it's usually the best option. Nothing says me other powers doing less damage *and* taking my precious force are better. Because why waste Force when the kill can be done without? I think that would be called... efficiency.

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Force in Balance (Even single target, every CD. Sidenote; The balance line gives force suppression to this power, aside from granting it. Which helps making all powers afterwards more damaging.)
Sever Force (On a target not currently afflicted, or about to expire. Also hopefully critting and healing)
Force Breach (Keeping DOT active while I do more damage. Also, again, healing)
Project
Telekinetic Throw
Spinning Strike (Target at 30% health or less)
Double Strike
Mind Crush
Saber Strike (If Out of Force)

Yeah, the healer or tank usually gets the blame. Can't say I always agree. Remember Colloid Games (aweful FP) where the healer left after a wipe first enemies after that stupid turret stuff. And rage-quitted. Our new healer fortunately was a lot nicer, and we trained the tank a bit, making him more effective, and in the end finishing the FP all together. It's better to train people unknowing than ragequit and leave them in the dark, or repeating mistakes next fp.
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Old 02-28-2013, 08:48 AM   #64
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So you are using a rotation/priority system. I thought you said did worry about such.


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Everyone starts off doing HMFPs in pre-tionese gear...

And no one said you were a noob, you just ignore a lot of the game mechanics because you seem to think the game should magically fit exactly what you want it to do and then complain when you don't play as well as you'd like to.

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Not since 1.6 they don't. Unless they're f2p and simply can't use it.

Really more a priority than clear rotation, since it's really dependant on situations. I always use Force in Balance, but sometimes I have to leave it aside not to break cc. And similar exceptions such as that.

Anyway, my Maurader just learned Gore. Time to see if it's any good in the game .
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I'm valor 55 from doing a few warzones, but I don't really PvP. If I was interested in PvP, I'd join a PvP server instead of sticking to The Harbinger.

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yeah that's what i did...i dont care for the warzones they're too confined.


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http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/2.0-...m-and-villainy

Well with what I get...I can't moan about losing cheap shot any longer.


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^^TL,WRL (will read later). Glossed over it. Does this mean you have to have new add on to get to 55 or that lvl 55 advancement comes w/and on heels of new expansion?


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Yeah have to buy the expansion to access lv51-55 since people who don't pay for the expansion don't get access to Makeb.

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cant wait to try it out...though my juggernaut is only level 20! this dload it taking forever for me...150kps. hoping to god that it runs just as good if not better than before.


Battle is a pure form of expression. It is heart and discipline, reduced to movement and motion. In battle, the words are swept away, giving way to actions-- mercy, sacrifice, anger, fear. These are pure moments of expression.
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