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Old 03-14-2002, 01:54 AM   #1
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Question Dismembering

I'd always believed player models would be dismemberable (ala Soldier of Fortune) although because of the rating and the lightsaber cauterisation there would be no blood. The trailers have been giving me large douses of doubt.
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Old 03-14-2002, 02:00 AM   #2
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I found myself asking the same question after viewing the latest trailer. The game looks excellent, but I still want dismemberment. I thought ChangKhan said that dismemberment wasn't removed, yet in none of the trailers have i seen it. I have a feeling that if it's in there, it A) was turned off for some reason in the trailers or B)Doesn't happen often or is random. I also doubt it'll be in MP which I'd really hoped for. I wonder if Mr.Gummelt could drop by and perhaps shed some light? It's close to release now and I doubt that detail would be too much to ask of him. I'm really dying to know.
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Old 03-14-2002, 03:40 AM   #3
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i want dismemberment also, if they did take it out i say a mod is in order!!


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Old 03-14-2002, 06:51 AM   #4
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perhaps it's just an option and they had it turned off in the trailer
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Old 03-14-2002, 10:33 AM   #5
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There is dismembering in the game, 100% confirmed
It could be what Belgirion says


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Old 03-14-2002, 10:41 AM   #6
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I thought ChangKhan said that dismemberment wasn't removed, yet in none of the trailers have i seen it.


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Dismemberment IS in the trailer released last night...it's too fast to see without going into slow motion replay of the video though. It's the scene where Kyle uses Force Pull to suck the stormtrooper in and then cracks him with the lightsaber. If you watch it frame by frame, you see his arm get severed, and falls off behind the trooper. The guy falls to the ground with no arm, but because of the speed, the resolution and the position of you, the camera and the troopers body, you can't see it too well.

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Old 03-14-2002, 10:43 AM   #7
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I don't see why they removed it, they had it in the original.


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Old 03-14-2002, 10:51 AM   #8
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hey Squallis you read the posts don't you?


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Old 03-14-2002, 11:40 AM   #9
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Old 03-14-2002, 11:45 AM   #10
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Its in the game, and BTW i went trhough it frame by frame and I didnt see the arm come off, I dont know if you were high when you saw it (no offence) but i just dont see it. (maybe im high) but I cant see it sorry.


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Old 03-14-2002, 12:11 PM   #11
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hell, even in JK/MoTS theres dismemberment ive seen hands flying!
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Old 03-14-2002, 12:19 PM   #12
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I have a feeling that if it's in there, it A) was turned off for some reason in the trailers or B)Doesn't happen often or is random.
I choose A, because I have keep saying it all along. Why, oh why would they want to reveal every little "secret" they have up their sleeves? So many previews(one said you could compile a Stormtrooper out of all those limbs that you leave behind you) and developers themselves included have confirmed it will be part of the game and I even remember someone saying PC Gamer (US) had exclusive screenshot showing Kyle actually cutting off arm...


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Old 03-14-2002, 12:29 PM   #13
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and a German mag says you can cut heads...


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Old 03-14-2002, 12:30 PM   #14
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Even if, under the slim chance, it isn't featured in the game I'm sure there'll be some mods that can add it in


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Old 03-14-2002, 12:44 PM   #15
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I don't like mods very much.

I thought that stormtrooper may have been dismembered, because when Kyle's lightsaber passes through his shoulder, there are flames. But I didn't see the arm disconnect from him at all, so I wrote it off as just a cool flaming effect when you hit them.
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Old 03-14-2002, 12:50 PM   #16
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It's also encouraging to see a little puff of smoke from the saber hit as well... hmm... wonder how much work it would be to change the tint of that smoke a bit...
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Old 03-14-2002, 12:53 PM   #17
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Yeah, there seems to appear smoke or even sparks when Kyle hits someone, so combined with actual dismembering ON, I think they make up the lack of blood which somebody still would like to see. I first thought they would go for black smoking holes in Stormtrooper armor, when shot with blaster(like in ESB), so this is not too far away. It also occurred to me that perhaps there is actual option to turn off dismembering in the menu for those who find it too gruesome or it slows down gameplay during intense fights.


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Old 03-14-2002, 01:09 PM   #18
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Good once it's still in the game I'm happy.


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Old 03-14-2002, 01:14 PM   #19
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Eh, I'm impartial to dismemberment. If it's in there, fine. It will be like icing for my big, fat cake.


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Old 03-14-2002, 05:05 PM   #20
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Hello everyone, 1st post!
Great forum...

About the dismemberment, I've got the copy of PCgamer that has the armless stormtrooper pic.
I went ahead and took a pic of it with my dig cam (scanner isn't working), crap quality, but you get the idea:



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Old 03-14-2002, 05:06 PM   #21
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I can only hope that we can severe away

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Old 03-14-2002, 05:12 PM   #22
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The reason you don't see dismemberment is because the new GHOUL2 system that JK uses is far more sensitive than that used in JK or even SOF. That being said, the reason for lack of severed arms is the fact that the saber never strikes in the shoulder, elbow, or knee joints, probably the only joints that can be dismembered in the game. After all, I doubt Raven would put severed torsos or heads into a SW game rated "T" for "Teen".


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Old 03-14-2002, 05:12 PM   #23
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haha! how amusing!!

Something about the concept of lightsaber dimemberment is amusing. I feel that i will enjoy this feature to its fullest extent.
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Old 03-14-2002, 06:01 PM   #24
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Arrow There is dismembering in the trailer...

There is actually dismemberment in the new trailer at 1:11, where Kyle pulls a Stormtrooper towards him and then kills him with the saber. It's a bit difficult to see but if you go through frame by frame you can see that Kyle cuts off the stormtroopers arm.
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Old 03-14-2002, 07:08 PM   #25
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I really really do wish they'd allow us to cut guys in half, or behead them.

Such a missed opportunity.

I mean, I don't care about teen ratings! c'mon! and I don't care if nothing so gorey typically happens in the movies (let's not forget Darth Maul though)

What it comes down to is an issue of upholding the credibility and the feel of danger that a lightsaber should have...

having it burn the walls is a great way to help this.

The fact is, regardless of any other factor... teen rating, movie precedent... whatever, the most important thing is that the saber behave how a saber really would if you did whatever you do with it.

It's only natural that when the things Lucas came up with are taken out of the hands of his characters and put into our hands... things will happen that will be more gorey than what he would put in the movie.

At all costs the credibility and power of the saber must be conveyed. If we are constantly chopping into guys and all they do is fall down, it's still cool yea but is it really a saber? or is it just a glowing knock-out stick? the world may never know.

I think the fact that you can justify a lack of blood through the cauterization factor should be seen as a way to not end up being very gorey even WITH all manner of body chopping. They had a free ticket to niceness and took it even further than necessary perhaps.

Well I'm not as upset as I sound, know that. I'll round this out with a question, i had been pondering... if you run up to like say, an NPC... or any character in the game for that matter. And you have your saber out but you're not swinging it, and the saber model touches their model, will it kill them? it should.
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Old 03-14-2002, 07:23 PM   #26
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That screenshot is from a dated build, Olympus. There was blood at one time in Jedi Outcast. I'm worried about the final game. I hope it wasn't removed.
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Old 03-14-2002, 09:26 PM   #27
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I'm aware that it's from a dated build, I shot it from my copy of the Magazine, remember?

All this talk about a lack of dismemberment in the final version has got me worried though, I think I'll go read through the official FAQ again and see if anything's mentioned in there...

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Found this in the official FAQ...
You will also be able to destroy limbs with your lightsaber similar to what has been seen in the four films. (Obi Wan Kenobi's battle in the Cantina/Luke's hand, etc.)


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Old 03-14-2002, 09:55 PM   #28
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Um, maybe they didn't show it because they wanted what you can cut off be a surprise, like heads, legs, cut in half bodies.....

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Old 03-14-2002, 10:04 PM   #29
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of course there will be dismemberment, why would they take it out? probably no heads of torsos though like previously mentioned. there should be dismemberment in mp though, THAT would be cool.

hey locke, hehe so much for sleeping
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Old 03-15-2002, 11:08 AM   #30
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In many interviews Raven has stated that they dont want to give away all the features of the game they want people to play and find it out!! For god sake just wait to you get the game its only a couple of more weeks
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Old 03-15-2002, 03:43 PM   #31
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Old 03-15-2002, 06:03 PM   #32
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[quoute]After all, I doubt Raven would put severed torsos or heads into a SW game rated "T" for "Teen".[/quote]

Actually Cracken, you're wrong. Maybe I'll install Episode I: The Phantom Menace just so I can get a screenshot, but maybe it will take that to convince you...

In that game if you fall into one of the fans (very easy to do) it chops you into several meaty chunks (no blood of course). How is that any worse than cutting off one measly head off an enemy?

As far as I know, the game still got a "Teen" rating.

I guess we could just gib bodies with det packs and missiles. ; )

For now, here's some blood in Outlaws, another LucasArts T rated action game:

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~kurgan/olblood1.jpg
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Old 03-15-2002, 06:13 PM   #33
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ARM SPOTTED!!! in those new screens left side:



looks like an arm to me!


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Old 03-15-2002, 06:20 PM   #34
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This arm is not chopped off if you mean that. This shot though might be a bit misleading.
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Old 03-15-2002, 07:04 PM   #35
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Good eye there Tomcat... could be!

Okay, here's the TPM gibs... I didn't feel like playing through the entire game, but I remember people saying that Tusken Raiders could make you bleed or something later on.. anybody know?

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Old 03-15-2002, 08:09 PM   #36
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I remember jumping into that fan on purpose because I thought it was cool the way the limbs separated.
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Old 03-15-2002, 08:18 PM   #37
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Old 03-15-2002, 08:39 PM   #38
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now that's some dismembering

hmmm
someone believes that the arm in my shot is about to be cut?
I'm not sure now
In the video in some frames it looks like it's cut, but at the end it looks like it wasn't cut
anyway, there is a better proof of dismembering now


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Old 03-15-2002, 08:42 PM   #39
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If you want to see someone get chopped in half in JK2, just watch the first trailer. It's near the beginning, right before the saber lock.
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Old 03-15-2002, 10:27 PM   #40
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the reason they wouldn't have put dismemberment in the trailer is because they would want it to apeal to the largest possible audiance -it is a marketing device after all.

its called appealing to the lowest common denomenator

the market for this game isnt just hardcore gamers who want to see dismemberment, there will also be people not into that sort of experience as much, and so to appeal to those consumers too they try not to make too much of a big deal about it.

thats my theory anyways

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