lfnetwork.com mark read register faq members calendar

Thread: ASS Fighters.
Thread Tools Display Modes
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Old 05-13-2002, 07:10 PM   #41
LooNBB
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 108
Running around with you A$$ flying around trying Slap some guy with your saber is Really Gay and stoopid.

But... it works so everyone will do it. I would do it too... that is why I don't play ANYTHING but NF duel anymore.

Anyone who tries to justify the validity of the Ass moves is an idiot.


__________________

LooN-JedI
__________________
LooNBB is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 07:16 PM   #42
Vestril
The Man
 
Vestril's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Jupiter
Posts: 2,062
Quote:
Running around with you A$$ flying around trying Slap some guy with your saber is Really Gay and stoopid.

But... it works so everyone will do it. I would do it too... that is why I don't play ANYTHING but NF duel anymore.

Anyone who tries to justify the validity of the Ass moves is an idiot.
I don't see how using a move in a game makes someone an idiot, unless it doesn't work. I think if your strategy is 'jump off the edge every time' you're either an idiot or someone who likes losing.

If people want to play that way--more power to 'em, it hasn't worked against me so far.


Vestril was here!!!!!!!!!
Vestril is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 07:18 PM   #43
LooNBB
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 108
I didn't say anyone who uses it is an idiot... I said anyone who tries to justify the validity of the move is an idiot... It is Stoopid. Do you think I am wrong... Do you enjoy playing a game of pushing your Butt next to others?


__________________

LooN-JedI
__________________
LooNBB is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 07:26 PM   #44
Vestril
The Man
 
Vestril's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Jupiter
Posts: 2,062
If a move is possible, barring hacks and cheats, it's valid. Since it seems to work, then it makes sense that people would argue for the validity of it. I don't care how other people play the game. I care how I play the game, and how interesting it is. If other people want to fight me backwards, they can feel free.

I think it's a stupid way of playing, personally. When you turn your back to someone you have a much greater chance of getting nailed. Other people think it's smart, for whatever reasons. I haven't played against the people here, so I wouldn't know how well it works for them. Therefore I would consider their arguments to be just as valid as anyone elses, and I doubt that they are idiots.


Vestril was here!!!!!!!!!
Vestril is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 07:49 PM   #45
idlemind
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 35
Quote:
Originally posted by Desslock


They don't use everything Plato... they use one move out of many.
but they use the most effective move. They're like little game theory algorithms that have discovered the most efficient way of killing. They're not going for style points, they're going for quick kills, which is the goal of the game.
idlemind is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 07:52 PM   #46
LooNBB
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 108
I swear... all you guys need are a bunch of Nude Kyle models and you'd be like pigs in mud... slamming your sabers and rubbing your butts together.

It is a really odd fighting style for the star wars universe... who knows maybe George is really in to that


__________________

LooN-JedI
__________________
LooNBB is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 09:02 PM   #47
Vestril
The Man
 
Vestril's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Jupiter
Posts: 2,062
Quote:
but they use the most effective move. They're like little game theory algorithms that have discovered the most efficient way of killing. They're not going for style points, they're going for quick kills, which is the goal of the game.
I suppose that the trouble is that the quick kills only work against people who can't adapt... and they're not like game theory algorithms. It seems to me that a game theory algorithm would want to try as many things as possible. These are people who see that an attack works, write or steal a script for it, and then begin the process of spamming it.

When someone does the exact same thing again and again, it gets pretty simple to figue out how to beat them. Players with a little more panache have a longer shelf-life, and tend not to you 'you got lucky n00b' when they die...

Anyway, I'm just saying that with practice these people are easy to kill, the backwards fighting style is not the end all be all of lightsaber combat in JK2


Vestril was here!!!!!!!!!
Vestril is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 09:08 PM   #48
Eraseu2
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: CA
Posts: 2
Lightbulb

What most people fail to realize is that there are three types of game players out there. The first type is the "Skilled player" which everyone claims to be. The other is the infamous "nOOB".

My definition of a skilled player is being able to use various techniques on an opponent(s) and being able to adapt. A skilled player will not refrain from using an exploit of the game like the dfa, or backstab. They just have actual skill to know when the best time to use either of the techniques.

My definition of a nOOB is someone that really only knows 1 maybe two techniques that work in most situations, but when that person must face the "skilled player" they are often disoriented and are shooting blanks. Typically this people are the dfa, and "ass" whores. These are the players that will hear of or discover and exploit of the game and use it to get as many points (kills) as fast as possible to win. These people don't care about getting better at the game, or learning new skills they want instant gratification without work which is getting first place. They believe being in first place is analogous with having skill, which some of us know isn't the case.

I think what most people are doing now is confusing an "honorable" player with a "skilled player". What I consider an "honorable" player is one that doesn't us some exploit (dfa/backstab) to get a quick kill. An honorable player wants to work for his victory, and shows respect for his fellow players. Meaning that if he (the honorable player) feels disrespected and short changed by being defeated by a simplistic kill (dfa/backstab) he will treat his opponents with the same respect that he would like to be treated with as well ( aka: golden rule). Now just to clarify an honorable player is neither a "skilled player" nor a "nOOB" but itís a totally separate category. Not to say that an "honorable" player isn't good at the game but they can never be called a "skilled" player as I have defined it because they don't use all techniques at their disposal (dfa/backstab) because it is dishonorable.

So just to recap people that say they are a skilled player that doesn't use the dfa/backstab are not really skilled players (according to my definition) but they are more honorable players instead. The way to tell the difference between a "skilled" player and a "nOOB" is the "skilled" player will be facing you eye to eye, and the "nOOB" will be facing you ass to eye.

The goal of the patch makers should be to make it so that there are no exploits in the game and make it so the honorable and skilled player can be one.
Eraseu2 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 09:14 PM   #49
ShockV1.89
Gen Mo'Kai
 
ShockV1.89's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: U S of A, baby!
Posts: 1,391
I've used the backslash fairly consistently the past few days, and I've learned that it's really only fun to use during certain gametypes and situations. ie. CTF: Dont have time to duel, your carier is under attack. Or, as carrier, you're getting mobbed by 4 opponents. Pul one, backslash him, and hope it gets a few others too.

Of course, if someone spams it on me, all gloves are off.

Its not as much fun to use as other tricks are. Lately I've been knocking someone over, light slash down on them, then blue lunge. It does mucho damage.

I've also gotten quite good with the kick. I challenged a fella to a duel, him with sabres me without. I kicked him to death, it was great.

Yeah, so basically, I dont use it much anymore, only if I'm in a real hurry. (and I NEVER run backwards towards people. i feel like an idiot doing that)

But I guess I'm an idiot for justifying the validity of the move in SOME situations.


ShockV1.89
ShockV1.89 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 09:56 PM   #50
Legato
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 2
[AoD]Legato- to all u gay ass whiners

Ok first of all about this backstab thing, umm sorry kiddies this **** isnt new i ****in made that move LONG ASS TIME AGO i use pull and backstab yall think its ****in new or something, well news flash it isnt. and about it being cheap? umm i dont run into battle wit my ass facing everyone cause thats just plain ****in dumb easy to get killed and how can it be cheap? its a move just like everything else. Basically this new patch was becaues of u pussy whiners "not all of you" and the fact that after a patch and you still not being able to kill without crying to momy that should seriously tell you somthing. and SOLO you think that backstab is cheap? look at what u wrote "2. if they use this move use skills like LIGHTNING" if you think backstab is cheap, lets get nitty gritty cause lightning is the biggest non skillful thing you can do. If you are truly skilled, this move is the easiest to avoid to run into ppl runnin backwards, and kick em, and + its slow and you can see it comming. I use it so can you if you would take the time to stop bitching and learn how to conquer it you wouldnt have to bitch. I dont complain about this move because basically i can avoid and counter SO all you ****in bitch ass whiners we dont wanna hear your **** stop playin and most of all dont get onto a server and bitch how ppl should stop usin it, cause if im on i will do it to you over and over, and no matter how many patches they make there will always be a way ta rip you a new ass cause all you ppl who fuss suck and i can prove that easy. Just look at someone score all who bitch always have the low score. And if you think your hot **** come fight me, Jedi kinghts saber only server.
Legato is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 10:00 PM   #51
DeepEyes357
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 15
YEAH I AGREE WITH HIM!!!!!!!!!!!
DeepEyes357 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 10:02 PM   #52
Legato
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 2
Quote:
Originally posted by LooNBB
Running around with you A$$ flying around trying Slap some guy with your saber is Really Gay and stoopid.

But... it works so everyone will do it. I would do it too... that is why I don't play ANYTHING but NF duel anymore.

Anyone who tries to justify the validity of the Ass moves is an idiot.
ummmm nf duels wont help backstab
Legato is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 10:39 PM   #53
The Dragoon
 
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 2
How hard can it be to avoid someone moving BACKWARDS....
The Dragoon is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-13-2002, 11:50 PM   #54
Tree
 
Tree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 180
Quote:
Originally posted by Vestril
If a move is possible, barring hacks and cheats, it's valid. Since it seems to work, then it makes sense that people would argue for the validity of it. I don't care how other people play the game. I care how I play the game, and how interesting it is. If other people want to fight me backwards, they can feel free.

I think it's a stupid way of playing, personally. When you turn your back to someone you have a much greater chance of getting nailed. Other people think it's smart, for whatever reasons. I haven't played against the people here, so I wouldn't know how well it works for them. Therefore I would consider their arguments to be just as valid as anyone elses, and I doubt that they are idiots.
I care how people play the game. Others do to. I don't want to play against lamers who only use one move. It ruins the game. I think a LOT of people have basically quit until the new patch is released. I have noticed far fewer players.

Just like DFA. In fact this move is more effective than DFA.
I don't want to be forced to use lame tactics to fight them. Which is currently the only that I know of.

FFA's are just a joke now. If you don't backstab you can forget winning, because everyone else will be.

Yes anyone who defends its use is an idiot. They are exploiting an imbalance in the game. Clearly Raven did not intend for people to run ass backwards into fights and rack up 4 quick kills.

I can't stand people who defend that and DFA. I really don't care because I know it will be fixed next patch. Then maybe these pathetic one-move whores will finally be forced to develop some skill.

When they turn around and are swinging to try to backstab the new blocking system is a blessing to them.

Thats fine if you have no trouble beating them and don't think its a problem but it looks like the majority of players do have problems defeating them.

My main problem is that it takes ABSOLUTELY NO SKILL and they rack up the kills doing it. This makes for a very lame game and people will leave.
Tree is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-14-2002, 12:03 AM   #55
Homosexual Ewok
 
Homosexual Ewok's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 595
Backstab is a cool move, I (like the DFA too) don't mind if it is a 1 hit kill but...
I find it funny that a Jedi can shoot lightning out of his fingers, walk up walls, choke people with a thought, jump 40 feet into the air.... yet he slips or gets pushed down and he gets up slower than the old broad from the old "I've fallen...and I can't get up!" commercials.
Put a fast get up move (Hell, you can even cause it to use Force power to execute) and it will bring balance.
Sure you still have "Ass fighters" but how hard is it to kill them?
Homosexual Ewok is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-14-2002, 12:04 AM   #56
JaledDur
 
JaledDur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Behind you, with a lightsaber.
Posts: 260
Quote:
"its simple... dont get behind the guy... i do just like i did with dfaers... i ran in circles and always kept moving, then they are forced to fight. "


Push, turn around, down arrow, click, repeat.



Its not a matter of you being behind them, its a matter of their rear end being near you anywhere....

All they have to do is push you down and then turn around and swing, thats it. At least with DFA you can get out of the way, but with this, you are totally helpless. And if you are "running in circles" you'll get your butt pushed on the ground a whole lot quicker...


Raven, I emplore you, dont go back to 1.02, but dont stay with this latest abomination. Just either:

A) Take out all the one hit kill moves or any other move that will be used repeatedly.

B) Make the special moves have a recovery time that is so great they are only used in special situations, and are not feasible for use all the time, such as what you did with the new DFA (bravo on that one btw).
JaledDur is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-14-2002, 03:41 AM   #57
ShockV1.89
Gen Mo'Kai
 
ShockV1.89's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: U S of A, baby!
Posts: 1,391
I dont think its a one hit kill, in a technical sense. As I understand it, it connects multiple times in passing. I've used it on people and had it hit once, and it just damages their shields, not much else. I've also had it hit multiple times and kill someone I just saw pick up three shields and a super shield, so I dunno...

Just cut down the multiple hit thingy, and the killing people in front of you, and the move would be fine.

Hey, Legato, I wanna join the AoD clan! u gUyz R0x0r!!!!!111

ShockV1.89
ShockV1.89 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-14-2002, 04:10 AM   #58
Luc Solar
PH34R TEH INSANE JAWA!!!
 
Luc Solar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,486
Just a little comment:

The problem here seems to be that there are two types of players.

A) Ones who think of JO as a competition where the only goal is to get a lot of points, lots of kills using any means possible.

B) Players who associate things like "Fun" and "Honour" with a Star Wars game and who dislike "Lame" and "Boring" techniques.

The gaming-experience seems to be based on totally different things between these two groups. Much like...dark and light, I'm tempted to say.

Oh well, carry on.


Got Honourz? Great.. I hope you choke on it!

I r0xx0r all j00 nooberz that mess with me. You nooberz suXor out of my way or I eat j00....

Most ridiculous Quote of the century: >)O(< ENmiTy: promoting mindless FFA and SD kills promotes disorderly conduct amoung the online community.
Luc Solar is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 05-14-2002, 04:15 AM   #59
Tree
 
Tree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 180
Quote:
Originally posted by Luc Solar
Just a little comment:

The problem here seems to be that there are two types of players.

A) Ones who think of JO as a competition where the only goal is to get a lot of points, lots of kills using any means possible.

B) Players who associate things like "Fun" and "Honour" with a Star Wars game and who dislike "Lame" and "Boring" techniques.

The gaming-experience seems to be based on totally different things between these two groups. Much like...dark and light, I'm tempted to say.

Oh well, carry on.
Very true, very true.
Tree is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Go Back   LucasForums > Network > JediKnight Series > Game Discussion > Jedi Outcast > ASS Fighters.

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:43 PM.

LFNetwork, LLC ©2002-2011 - All rights reserved.
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.