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Old 04-30-2002, 07:51 PM   #1
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Smile The Whiners Guide To JK2

My warez copy of the game .. blah blah blah ...

What is this gaming welfare? Hey great way to kill a game, contribute to low sales reports, and prevent us from ever getting any sort of patches and support. Buy the [insert heavy cursing here] game!!!

My system crashes, the game slows down and locks-up.

Check your drivers, hardware (IRQ) conflicts, get rid of Win 98 / replace with XP- tweak your BIOS settings to be more stable - i.e turn off AGP 4X, FastWrites, BIOS shadowing, etc, stop overlocking your video card - add more cooling to your system - don't overcool the system (creating air pressure).

Follow the advice from Raven themselves:

http://www2.ravensoft.com/jedioutcast/faq.htm

Ditch the Voodoo card, and if you use Nvidia, use the 27.42 drivers:

http://www.geforcezone.com/drivers.htm

If you have a Radeon - well, we all make mistakes - get a Nvidia card for compatibility.

If you bought an MX version of any Nvidia card - "What were you thinking?!?!?" Would you buy a car with half a useable gas tank or some of the pistons not working, just to save a few extra bucks? Get rid of it and buy a real (non-MX) video card.

If you bought cheap memory, most likely the ratings on it are a lie. Set it to CAS 3 and lower the speed on it.

What kinda sound card - on-board sound from your m/b?

Sound is a major bottleneck in your computer's peformance.

Get a real sound card - SB Live or Audigy, if you get anything else you're asking for problems.

If you can get an Audigy - get one - it's a huge performer over other sound cards, even the Live! You 'will' notice an FPS increase and better 3D sound.

Snap, crackle, pop, that's my sound card!

As always, drivers, conflicts, and if you own a VIA chipset:

http://www.viahardware.com/686bfaq.shtm

May need to upgrade your BIOS.

Everything slows down when accessing the cd-rom!

Check that DMA is enabled - but don't enable it on your cd-writer.

Another tip - for those who BOUGHT the game:

Daemon Tools and CloneCD:

Use Clone-CD (with the correct settings for maximum copy efficiency, 2x read, read subchannels, fast error correction, etc.) to create images and Daemon Tools to read the image files.

1. Get the latest version of Daemon Tools:

Click on the following link:

http://www.daemon-tools.com/

Daemon Tools allows you to mount and read cd-rom images off your hard drive.

2. Get the latest version of Clone CD:

http://www.elby.org/CloneCD/english/

This will save you from a lot of trouble if a cd drive is having issues reading the game's cd, because the hard drive won't have that issue - and making images is a very careful process which should get the data to the HD correctly.

This advice is only to meant help you if you have problems with the cd-rom player reading off the game disc, don't like to mess with cd's, or want to use images in order to preserve the life of the originals (because cd-rom players do tend to scratch up cd's a little over time).

It'll save a lot of people headaches without having to attempt to crack the game (with a no-cd crack) each time a new patch comes out - in order to avoid hassling with the cd-rom player issues each time.

Not only will this solve most of the read error issues, cinematics in games (those that use the cd-rom for movies) will never be choppy due to issues with the cd-player - as long as the hard drive that contains the cd-rom image is kept properly defragged.

The graphics are really slow and choppy at times!

As mentioned before, drivers, conflicts, etc.

Important things to know about the Quake 3 engine:

Lower your resolution - I recommend 800x600 or 640x480 if you have a low end graphics card (and fast CPU) or just want a higher FPS.

Keep in mind though - if you run at 640x480 or lower you are basically bypassing the video card's GPU and using your CPU - hence the reason CPU benchmarks are always done at 640x480 or lower. You must determine for yourself if it's better to let the CPU do most of the work or the video card - GF3 and higher, video card for sure.

16 bit color is much faster and hardly much different.

Note: I have been told this is not always the case with the Kyro 2 - which runs at the same or better at 32 bit - especially since the Kyro 2 won't run at 16 color anyhow. But for all other cards - Nvidia and ATI, the 16 bit boost holds true.

For proof check out these benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1435&p=17

And:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/graphic...on8500-15.html

An in-depth article on 16 vs. 32 bit, with screenshots:

http://www.tweak3d.net/articles/16vs32/

Lower geometry and resolution:

Resolution - well obviously, less to draw - you can always in increase your FOV - cg_fov - in console - though if you are using a lightsaber it'll be 3rd person anyhow.

Geometry - adjusts the curvature of shapes - and this is a very big performance hit - you can even put this to lowest without much of a noticeable visual difference, though the performance gain is great.

Turn off AntiAliasing, the only card that can do it decently is a Geforce 4 (non-MX). If you don't have one, set your card to manual and shut it off. You won't notice that the buildings have smoother edges when you are killing people in MP and fighting stormtroopers in SP.

Texture bits has no effect - leave it at 32 bit.

Texture detail can greatly effect cards with slow (such as SDR memory) or low memory.

Simple to no shadows are better. Complex shadows will cause a major CPU hit.

Be sure to go here for more hints and tips on performance:

http://www.techspot.com/tweaks/jedioutcast/index.shtml

I'm getting lots of lag in the game.

Do you have a connection slower than DSL or cable? If so, play single player until you get a real connection - 56K is the stone age.

If you are still having problems, be sure to adjust your settings at least once - attempt to join a server from within the game.

Still having problems? Shift ~ and type rate 10000 - that's 4 zeros.

Still having problems? http://www.dslreports.com/stest - check your connection, it probably sucks.

The game is too hard!

Get some skill.

Here are some guides that have great information - I recommend reading each one:

http://www.jediknightii.net/strategy_mpsaber.shtml

http://www.jediknightii.net/strategy_mpsaber2.shtml

http://www.jediknightii.net/strategy_acrobatics.shtml

I can't beat people who are in heavy stance.

Get some skill - learn some moves, learn to kick and roll, use saber throw, force push and pull, buy the game and read the manual, etc.

Also, read this thread for more info on Heavy Stance and the next upcoming patch:

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthrea...threadid=49580

I don't like weapons with force and sabers!

Play on saber and force only servers - learn to use ASE:

http://www.udpsoft.com/eye/

Some of the force powers are too much.

Learn to use counter forces for light (absorb) and dark (drain) , learn to create ASE modifiers to filter by g_maxforcerank, get on non-force servers, etc.

Continued below . . .

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Old 05-01-2002, 02:51 AM   #2
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this could be a sticky
I'll ask a supermod


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Old 05-01-2002, 03:52 AM   #3
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nice little guide.... keep updating it with peoples suggestions..

and perhaps change the name


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Old 05-01-2002, 04:39 AM   #4
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Nice job :-)


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Old 05-01-2002, 11:08 PM   #5
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and perhaps change the name
I was going to say that too
something like "solution to common problems"


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Old 05-01-2002, 11:14 PM   #6
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It won't let me put more images in my message, so adding here:

I'm using a No-CD Crack and my game crashes!

Don't use a No CD crack - it's not supported and will cause problems in MP. Use Daemon Tools and Clone CD (as mentioned in the guide) if you want to be cd-free.

Don't use this method to copy the game illegally or you'll have nitemares of flesh eating Ewoks!

I can't get ASE filters to work correctly!

There are modifiers under the JK2 listing, + symbols with boxes for check marks.

Do this:

Click on all the modifiers you ever want, ping, empty/server, etc etc .. then click on "Filter Combine".

Make a new filter (not a modifier) and you should be able to use just that filter based on the gametype modifiers, sabers, etc that you choose.

Now, it gets even cooler.

After you make that combined filter, let's say you edit it and it looks like mine:

JK2 CTF All No Bots

1 if servertype != "JK2" remove
2 if g_gametype != "7" remove
3 if g_weaponDisable != "0" remove
4 if g_forcePowerDisable != "0" remove
5 if ping >= "100" remove
6 if needpass > "0" remove
7 if maxclients == "0" goto 9
8 if clients >= maxclients remove
9 if clients == "0" remove
10 if bots > "0" remove

(normal filter checked)

Notice weapon, force, etc. are all there.

But I also want one where I know the force has a certain minimal level so I copied that info and went to Filter - New:

Name: JK2 CTF ALL No Bot With Full Force

1 if servertype != "JK2" remove
2 if g_gametype != "7" remove
3 if g_weaponDisable != "0" remove
4 if g_forcePowerDisable != "0" remove
5 if ping >= "100" remove
6 if needpass > "0" remove
7 if maxclients == "0" goto 9
8 if clients >= maxclients remove
9 if clients == "0" remove
10 if bots > "0" remove
11 if g_maxForceRank < "6" remove

(normal filter checked)

Notice line 11 - I want a minimal of Max Force Rank 6.

Let's use another example - I want Sabers only with different force variations:

I used the combine filter method...

Name: JK2 FFA Saber Only No Force

1 if servertype != "JK2" remove
2 if g_gametype != "0" remove
3 if g_weaponDisable != "65531" remove
4 if g_forcePowerDisable < "32765" remove
5 if ping >= "100" remove
6 if clients == "0" remove
7 if bots > "0" remove

(normal filter checked)

Name: JK2 Saber Only With Force

1 if servertype != "JK2" remove
2 if g_gametype != "0" remove
3 if g_weaponDisable != "65531" remove
4 if g_forcePowerDisable != "0" remove
5 if ping >= "100" remove
6 if clients == "0" remove
7 if bots > "0" remove

(normal filter checked)

Note: Notice the difference in rule "g_forcePowerDisable", line 4.

Name: JK2 Saber Only With Full Force

1 if servertype != "JK2" remove
2 if g_gametype != "0" remove
3 if g_weaponDisable != "65531" remove
4 if g_forcePowerDisable != "0" remove
5 if ping >= "100" remove
6 if clients == "0" remove
7 if bots > "0" remove
8 if g_maxForceRank < "6" remove

(normal filter checked)

Notice line 8 - I want a minimal of Max Force Rank 6.

If you need more help with ASE filter setup for JK2, respond here and I can try to help (no promises), or you can visit the ASE forum:

http://www.udpsoft.com/forum/

In ASE - I can't find my buddies and they can't find me!

There are different ways to do this, you can click on Tools - Find Buddy Names ...

Or the easiest way is once you actually find what server a buddy is on - via ASE - right click on the server and choose 'Refresh Selected Servers'. Next, when you see his name under the server's "Player Name" list, right click on the name and choose 'Add to buddy list'.

The other way is also to use the intergrated ICQ features - if you want others to know where you are:

Click on View - Options - Events - under "When Launching game" -check mark "Set ICQ Status To", etc, etc.

Also, click on View - Options - Events - under "When Returning from game" - check mark "Set ICQ Status To", etc, etc.

I keep reading about 'realistic saber and dismemberment ' in single-player but I can't find out how to enable it!



"If you’re playing single player Jedi Outcast, do yourself a favor and hit these commands in the console (to get the console hit shift and ~ at the same time):

helpUsObi 1
g_saberRealisticCombat 1
g_dismemberment 1

This cranks the violence rating up, and allows you to hack off limbs
with the light saber. Normally you can only chop off a hand once in a while, but with these settings you will always chop off a limb, ahead, or separate a torso, just how you would expect a real light
saber to act. This is the way Jedi Outcast should be played."

http://firingsquad.gamers.com/games/...ght2/page2.asp

Note: If you change "g_saberRealisticCombat 1" to anything higher than "1" you can kill easier but also be killed easier.

I can't see my FPS (frames per second) in the game!

Display the console in-game, use the keys: Shift (and) ~
Type: cg_drawfps 1 (hit enter)

Continued below . . .

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Old 05-02-2002, 05:30 PM   #7
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Excellent post NewBJedi!

If you have a Radeon - well, we all make mistakes - get a Nvidia card for compatibility.

If you bought an MX version of any Nvidia card - "What were you thinking?!?!?" Would you buy a car with half a useable gas tank or some of the pistons not working, just to save a few extra bucks? Get rid of it and buy a real (non-MX) video card.

..........ROFLMAO!!! -Those words could not be any more true!

-Alot of points were touched base on. Well done!


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Old 05-02-2002, 05:36 PM   #8
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I saw a guy make the lightsaber spin while standing still!

Ah, that's easy.

Use light or medium stance. Throw the light saber and hold down secondary fire, make it go far, when it comes back, hold primary fire while dodging it 'once' .. be sure to keep holding down primary fire.. the light saber will begin to spin around you as you stand still. You can move around like this as well, but not jump or fall. You must keep holding down primary fire to keep it spinning.

You can also make it spin by itself. Do the same above, and keep holding primary fire .. then choose 'taunt' and after the taunt is finished, move - remember, always keep holding primary fire.

Continued below ...

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Old 05-03-2002, 12:30 AM   #9
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Hmm, wonder what they mean by uber hardware in that faq.. I have AMD Athlon 1800xp CPU, and Geforce 3 Ti200 Card, Is that 'uber' enough to run in 1024x768 without overheating my card/cpu?
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Hmm, wonder what they mean by uber hardware in that faq.. I have AMD Athlon 1800xp CPU, and Geforce 3 Ti200 Card, Is that 'uber' enough to run in 1024x768 without overheating my card/cpu?
note about quake 3 angine:
800 x 600 LOOKS LIKE 1024 x 768 ON OTHER ENGINES!!!
(or it seems like that, or maybe my comp is messed up )




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Old 05-04-2002, 12:23 PM   #11
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hey thats a great guide ... esp. for those of us who got stcuk with a rage 128 @ pc builders!!! and dont have £280 for a geforce 4 ..... cept the bit about 56k .... some of us would love to get it but cant cos we live out in the country on an island called england ... but there are servers out there that i can get pings below 400 ... WOW

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Old 05-04-2002, 12:26 PM   #12
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by "it" i mean dsl/cable by the way .... not 56k

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I can't find any custom maps!

The custom maps are amazing stuff.

Check these sites out for lots of custom maps:

http://www.jedioutcastmaps.com/

and:

http://www.jediknightii.net/files/

This guy was actually floating in the air from a ledge!

Easy enough. Go into blue saber stance.

Jump from a high location. As you jump hold down primary fire, crouch and forward all at once. You should start stepping down slowly.

I saw someone climb a wall on a map - and go on an invisible ledge!

This is how you climb walls from corners:

Go to a corner or side of a wall - simply push forward, strafe left or right into the corner or side and hit jump only once - keep holding strafe and forward. This will allow you to scale walls across and/or upward.

Continued below . . .

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Heavy Stance Revisted:

The Heavy Stance sucks! I can get hit from really far away! It's a spam Stance!



Relax - the Raven Dev is working on it in the upcoming patch.

Will it be nerfed? Probably not.

Will the 3 foot or so damage radius be fixed? Yes.

As you can see they are only going to tweak the damage radius. They aren't going to the change the way it fundamentally works . . .

Read Below:

" sent them a suggestion and got this reply!

"Consider it forwarded. Just a note: the heavy stance has been tweaked heavily in the pending patch to balance it better.
--Kenn

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http://www.ravensoft.com/"

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthrea...0&pagenumber=1

Also, to be more clear, they told another forum poster some more detailed info:


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"Ok, well if anyone objects it's NewBJedi's fault

First email:

"Perhaps "tweaked heavily" was an overstatement. There were some errors with the radius damage, etc. the attack did that were adjusted. We're not fundamentally changing it...just fixing some things we missed in the original incarnation."

Second:

"No problem. The message I wanted to convey was that we're aware of the problem and trying to fix it. I didn't want to make it sound like we were cutting the legs out from under it, so to speak. "

http://www.lucasforums.com/showthrea...0&pagenumber=2

Continued below . . .

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Old 05-05-2002, 06:44 PM   #16
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I saw this guy laying down and sliding on his back!

bind key "color1 1; wait; color1 2; wait; color1 1"

key = whatever you want to bind.

You might have to push the key a couple times. It may lag you if you your connection isn't fast DSL or cable or higher.

If you want to run and slide, just run and while running hit the key.

These newbies are ruining the game!

Stop whining about newbies, you were once as well.

Get the person's attention and have a small in-game chat.

Offer to show the newbie what you know and get him interested in playing the game with skill.

Offer to duel him and take a few minutes of your precious time to show the newbie how to swing a saber, kick people, use force push and pull correctly, etc.
Once that 'newbie' learns how cool it is to play well, he'll be wanting to learn more and focus on developing skills instead of just randomly trying things out.

Commentary:

I believe it's our obligation as we become more 'seasoned players' to show the 'newbies' how to play better instead of just complaining about them all the time or calling them names.

It's the only true way to make this a better community.

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Old 05-07-2002, 02:14 AM   #17
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Oh crap, I got a MX................

Strangely, it works fine for me...................................


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I think I'm one of the only players that look out for the 'padawans.'

Sometimes I'll just duel them and I know that I could kick their ewok butt, but I make the duel as long as possible and sometimes let them beat me. One of the most important parts of playing this game is self confidence.
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Oh crap, I got a MX................

Strangely, it works fine for me...................................
Crap. Should I stop pounding my Radeon into a fine powder of sour memory and bitter circumstance, borne upon the shoulders of cutting irony and the vicious immediacy of this fair sphere's motion that turns my being so? Oh woe be the day that..... [trails off]

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Old 05-07-2002, 11:54 AM   #20
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If you bought an MX version of any Nvidia card - "What were you thinking?!?!?" Would you buy a car with half a useable gas tank or some of the pistons not working, just to save a few extra bucks? Get rid of it and buy a real (non-MX) video card.
Wow that sure was helpful. Maybe in the case of an MX200, but a GF4 MX 440 or 460 is plenty enough to play JK2:JO at 1600x1200. MX400 should be able to hack 1024x768x32 medium or so detail fine. Why are MX cards crappy? Just because not everyone wants to shell out the extra $$$ for a GF4 Ti 4600?
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Old 05-07-2002, 12:39 PM   #21
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Whine Whine Whine, us FF guners are not the ones whining for patches that take away gameplay from how it was origionally designed. Just cause all the NewB's spam the forums, and complain cause people with gun skill are whooping on them, means that the supporters of JK (I BOUGHT my own copy) get a big phat co*k in their mouths?

It as simple as NOT UPDATING our servers. Have fun with all your nueb friends on all your nueb servers.

Acceptable risk: About the MX Geforce's, they are NOT a good 3d card. The 3d graphix and vertex shaders are all part of the INFINITE FX (II in G4's) engine which is NOT part of the mx series. Get a $169 Geforce 4 Ti4200. The best deal going right now. (I'd highly recommend the 128mb version though for $30 more) www.pricewatch.com
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Old 05-07-2002, 12:51 PM   #22
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Actually I have a Leadtek GF 4 Ti 4400

And my uncle has a Leadtek GF 4 MX 440.

Both of us have XP 1600+ processors backed up with 512MB DDR and KT266A based boads.

The difference? I can use FSAA 2X at 1600x1200x32 and he can't...but otherwise you'll be hard pressed to tell the difference between the two.

JK2:JO doesn't use any of the advanced features of the nFinite engines found on the GF3 and GF4, so I don't know why it's posted in this FAQ that GF2MX cards are crap. This is a game based off a DX7 engine, so it'll look the same on a GF2 as on a GF4.

Now if we were talking about Morrowind...why yes, the MX is a POS in that game.
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Old 05-09-2002, 01:39 AM   #23
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The 1.03 patch sucks!

Congratulations - you can thank all the whiners who didn't read the guide and take advice from skilled players!

I hereby now call 1.03 "The Official Whiner's Patch".

Now the game is completely lopsided toward random auto-saber-defenses, super hack attack sabering, and ultra-light force absorb.

Now instead of DFA you have the - even worse - spinning backstab people.

Drain, Grip, Kick have all been nerfed to oblivion.

Now without a good force drain you're having major lightening attacks along with other super-jedi in absorb force power's and their back-stabbing spams.

Grip is about as useful and fun to defend against as shadow boxing.

Kicks are not even worth trying anymore (50% hit ratio if you're really lucky) - and they used to be the only way to truly defend oneself against overwhelming odds - plus they were just darn fun.

Forget about using dark force powers, you're nothing if you don't have the uber light absorb that makes you a superman.

1.03 is JK2 meets Nintendo!

Thank you whiner's of 1.02 - instead of reading the Whiner's Guide and learning to actually play - you ruined the game for those who have skill!

Thanks guys!
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Old 05-09-2002, 10:18 PM   #24
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The irony of it all is


I hereby now call 1.03 "The Official Whiner's Patch".

and

JK2 1.03 = Nintendo

have got to be the whiniest things I've ever heard.


Congratulations NewBJedi! You failed to adhere to your own guide!
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Old 05-10-2002, 01:16 AM   #25
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Hey TheDarkSide,

The irony of it all is

that you are whining about someone that you accused of whining.

Congratulations TheDarkSide! You are a moron!
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Old 05-10-2002, 02:19 AM   #26
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What!

And now you're whining about him whining about someone else whining! And what am I doing?

I'm whining about you whining about...

Oh screw it. Starcraft, anyone?

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Old 05-10-2002, 10:51 AM   #27
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Now if I had written an "The Anti-Whining About Whiners guide to JK2", then that would be some great irony

Alas I have not, so it can hardly be called irony. Nor whining either, just a simple observation. He who had written the anti-whining guide has become what he professed to be against.

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Old 05-10-2002, 12:14 PM   #28
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Now if I had written an "The Anti-Whining About Whiners guide to JK2", then that would be some great irony

Alas I have not, so it can hardly be called irony. Nor whining either, just a simple observation. He who had written the anti-whining guide has become what he professed to be against.

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I keep telling myself I won't be posting anymore, but I must defend myself here.

The intent of the Whiner's Guide was to show people that most of 1.02 was just fine - and to stop people's whines otherwise we'd get drastic gameplay changes that would hurt the community - if you notice a theme in my past posts, it was a warning against what happened in Tribes 2.

But sure enough, the Whiner's won and now 1.03 has done its damage. The problems like the backstab and nerfed force balance, nerfed kick, and weapon issues in 1.03 far exceed 1.02's avoidable DFA problem.

Instead of nerfing forces so badly to the point of uselessness the 'Whiner's" could have read in this guide how to sort by "g_maxforcerank" and problem solved - anti-weapons, filter for non-weapon servers, etc, etc.
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Old 05-11-2002, 08:48 PM   #29
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I have to agree the darkside got hosed big time.... ya drain needed to be tweeked....but there was nothing wrong with grip. They ruined grip totally and pumped up absorb, like that needed pumping? Not. And I hear ppl cry that when they used absorb ppl would get away till it wore off. Well they do the same for rage but do you see rage getting a boost? No. And them nerfing heal is just plain funny. Unless you play duel games you don't need heal. Why, because there is enough health and bacta around. So all they did was make the light side strong and made everyone on the dark side use lightning, pull and push. I have even changed my saved force option to not even have grip now. That was my favorite power too. All I use now 90% of time is pull.... and If they have absorb on well I am down to the sabre because they crippled drain that was the only thing stopping the absorb freaks. Drain needed to be fixxed but not when they masked absorb. I also read in one thread well you don't know when a lightning, drain, grip attack is coming.......so thats a good idea for absorb. BULL... anytime those powers are used you can clearly see that they are in use and by whom. Ya they may do alittle damage or drain to you the first 2 seconds but guess what.... you will gain at least 2 seconds of absorb on them also when you switch it on before they know to stop.
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Old 05-12-2002, 09:25 PM   #30
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WOW and you didn't even mention the thing people whine about most. GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!! Although I have no problem with guns and I think most no gun servers are for complete pus$ies it's still probably worth mentioning in your writeup.

(oh w8 never mind, you did a little )

ALSO I am having a problem (and I have seen this problem on another computer) where the game runs fine in multiplayer and everything, but occasionally it stalls/freezes and you keep hearing the same sound over and over again. This usually happens when I die or kill someone else but less often than it just running smoothly. I have updated sound and graphics drives btw (Turtle beach santa cruz, nvidia GeForce 2). PLEASE HELP

THANKS

ALSO: THE NEW PATCH TOTALLY SUCKS

MIND TRICK STILL SUCKS
DRAIN IS SOOOOOOO FREAKING RETARDED NOW (WHA WHAAAA WHAAAA DRAIN IS TOO POWERFULL developers"STOP SAYING THAT STOP IT DAMMIT DRAIN = 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000 there that should satisfy em!"

Once force absorb is activated it should take away force remain for a set amount of time and force will continue to regenerate. (there are many variables here so please dont say that would be too powerfull without reason).

Grip was fine, nothing wrong there!

LEVEL 3 MIND TRICK is supposed to work on everyone and it should work on players who have spawned AFTER it was cast as well. CMON people spawn every second.

I think with these suggestions the game can be more balanced and more powers will be worth it as well as fun to use.

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Old 05-13-2002, 10:55 PM   #31
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mind trick will always suck
absorb is already strong as it is, no need to reduce its cost but it should stay on until you turn it off or run out of force

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light side was too weak...dark side was too strong. now there's more balance to the force

as for "whiners," they're in every game i've ever played. it's just their way of lettin' out frustration, and i just ignore them. cope as best you can and stop WHINING 'bout it ... rofl


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I've loaded it up and followed your guide, but I'm still having problems. My printer is too close to my foot and I keep kicking it. Plus my keyboard is a bit too far from my chair to reach without streching. Plus I'm hungry. And I need the toilet.

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Old 06-25-2002, 11:16 AM   #34
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Thumbs up He he he

LOL!


I keep telling myself I won't be posting anymore, but I must defend myself here.

You'll get no complaints from me. I like this thread. Good job, NewBJedi


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Old 06-27-2002, 10:39 AM   #35
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This is what I posted in another thread, and PLZ read all of it before you start making opinions on my system, because I already know the CPU is crap:

"OMFG I have the same problem--Jedi Knight II runs slow as a b!tch.

OK now let me explain a few things before someone tries to tell me I need a better CPU.

I KNOW I NEED A BETTER CPU; BUT, I get like 80 FPS in Quake III. I have 384 MB of memory, a 7200 RPM CPU, GeForce 4 Ti4200 64MB version, and sadly a 500 MHz AMD Athlon (classic). and my lame Mobo runs agp at 2x.

I realize the CPU and Mobo are limiting my system--but this is ridiculous--I try turning down EVERYTHING in the game, but it runs slow as a b!tch in large areas, like 10 FPS, and it doesn't matter if all effects are on or if absolutely nothing is on and my vid card is set to max performance in OpenGL.

OMG this is such a pain in the @ss, and I don't think this game has any kind of Hidden Surface Removal--as I could stand looking at a FLAT wall in 1st-person, with nothing but my gun showing up and still only get around 12 FPS, that doesn't make any sense.

I mean you can tell the game is rendering like the whole freakin map instead of what you can see, I don't understand why they did this.

Ah, hell, I still get around 30 FPS in decent sized indoor areas when there aren't 20-something guys trying to kill me.

I still don't get it, it's made off of the Quake III engine and I can't get anywhere near that performance even when every single thing is off--I mean the game can look like DF2:Jedi Knight and still run at the exact same fps, and I am NOT MAKING THAT UP!"

THANK U
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Old 06-27-2002, 09:20 PM   #36
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Very nice and well written Guide... keep up the good work
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Old 07-01-2002, 01:02 AM   #37
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The 1.03 patch sucks!

Congratulations - you can thank all the whiners who didn't read the guide and take advice from skilled players!

I hereby now call 1.03 "The Official Whiner's Patch".


Err...
Heh, You've gotta see the irony in whining about a supposed whiner patch, no?



Now the game is completely lopsided toward random auto-saber-defenses, super hack attack sabering, and ultra-light force absorb.



Now instead of DFA you have the - even worse - spinning backstab people.

Drain, Grip, Kick have all been nerfed to oblivion.

Now without a good force drain you're having major lightening attacks along with other super-jedi in absorb force power's and their back-stabbing spams.

Grip is about as useful and fun to defend against as shadow boxing.

Kicks are not even worth trying anymore (50% hit ratio if you're really lucky) - and they used to be the only way to truly defend oneself against overwhelming odds - plus they were just darn fun.

Forget about using dark force powers, you're nothing if you don't have the uber light absorb that makes you a superman.

1.03 is JK2 meets Nintendo!

Thank you whiner's of 1.02 - instead of reading the Whiner's Guide and learning to actually play - you ruined the game for those who have skill!

Thanks guys!
Err...
Heh, You've gotta see the irony in whining about a supposed whiner patch, no?

dark force powers are quite useful, just not the same ones, drain isn't much good except for healing, grip is useless, but lightning and dark rage are good, nay, really really good, even. Dark rage is the only skill in the game that will let you take out an absorb using gunner with just your saber.

Also, with dfa, lets examine that, in 1.02 the radius for the damage of this move was very high, you could get killed by it post execution at a long range even when the plasma was embedded in the tarmac. This was a bug, this did need fixing, how many times did you see someone doing a dfa and then pressing their binded cl_yawspeed 2000 ; +left ; wait 200 ; -left key through a pack of players and decimating everyone, how was that not lame? Furthermore, if you can alter the aim for dfa in the air, there's no way to punish it except with a rolling push / pull (if you're lucky) or saber throw or other ranged attack. DFA is a one hit kill move and the risk in pulling it off should be substantial.

Kicks, Kicks are fine now, I don't understand why people are complaining at all, I have had absolutely no trouble whatsoever executing kicks since the patch and I kick a lot, in fact, since the patch, I prefer kicks. Because I'm not wallrunning off surfaces accidentally all the time.

as for backsweep, it was exactly the same in 1.02 as it is in 1.03, it's just that people could use super DFA so they never bothered to really investigate it, you can roll + pull backsweep or kick + pull + saber throw + spin + backsweep to your hearts content and take out various skill level players, but it's *counterable* and punishable this time, unlike with dfa in 1.02

I.E. Some guy pulls me over and tries to sweep me, I dark rage, get back up before the recovery period of the BS, then execute my own BS with a damage boost and temporary immortallity.

That person doesn't try to pull me over and sweep me again.

Seriously It does seem that a lot of stuff in 1.03 has been made useless, a person would have to be absolutely crazy to run forward with a standard strike and attack you without absorb running which does take a lot of options out for dark force users, but it is by no means a "lost cause".

I don't understand your beef with lightning, either, if you're a light jedi, absorb, suck it up, let them spew forth useless garbage, if you're a dark jedi, rollf orward at them, pull them down, finish them off. Lightning is good imho for 2 things, faking them into absorbing or attacking without thinking, or finishing someone off after a lengthy battle when you know they have not much health or force power left.

Absorb, absorb is really not that great, a person can stick it on, you can hear it, they're immune to force powers for the duration only, that means they're still susceptible to kicks, and if you're a dark jedi, they're sitting there waiting for you to give them force, and you're sitting their just gaining force, when absorb runs out they're toast.

My recommendations for patch 1.04 would be to reduce the damage for backsweep, increase the recovery time and disable spinning whilst executing it, absorb should be left as is, drain should be left as is, lightning should be left as is, maybe grip needs to be made actually useful for something, rather than a way to make a cool red hand puppet and stick a sign on your forehead saying "please force pull me I want to die". Make blocking more active and less passive so that we escape the current situation of absolutely useless standard attacks.

Anyway, my verdict is, better than 1.02, but needs work.

Cheers
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Old 07-08-2002, 07:53 AM   #38
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if you were as good as me...

Well this "Guide" contains some useful info BUT (there's always a but)... BUT it also contains some incorrect info and a great deal of prejudiced info. Both would be forgivable if it didn't also smack of being written by an arrogant sniveling little snot. (Spare me the comments about that statement ok I'm sure I'm old enough to be his father, so it won't play here anyhow.)

A. Just because someone posts a message saying "I'm having this problem..." does NOT make them a whiner. A whiner is someone who goes on and on about how bad or unfair the product is or the company or blah blah blah. They are dissatisfied and "take it out here". ie ... I contacted tech support and they didn't help me fix ... and they suck and..."

B. The author makes too many "blanket" statements that in fact may or may not fix someones problem or even be true!

Here are some examples:

Installing XP instead of Win 98 may in fact increase your problems not reduce them (no I'm not a mac or linux officianado). Factors that might affect this are what hardware and software you have and whether you are upgrading from win98 or doing a new install.
Example:
I knew EXACTLY what I was getting into when I upgraded my 1.5 year old system last October and still I had all the following problems.
1. Epson scanner - not supported - had to give it away.
2. Had to replace all the following programs with newer versions OR different products because they were incompatible:
Veritas backup Exec Desktop Pro., Easy CD Creator 4.x, Exceed 6.1, McAfee Virus scan, Recoil (no replacement).
(I know I'm missing two more but can't remember...)
3. SB Live 5.1 card had sound problems ( 98% resolved now but took weeks of research and trial and error testing). This was the only "problem" that I didn't know about in advance and it has proven to be the most irritating.
Not in this list were 1-2 dozen small utilities freeware/shareware).
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The current nVidia drivers back in April were 29.xx not 27.42.
At this moment they are 29.42.
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Sound Blaster sound cards (I have a sb live 5.1) are NOT the be-all and end-all of sound cards as the author thinks. In fact, the SB Live 5.1 series are NOT 100% compatible with WinXP (even after the driver update). Spend even a small amount of time at the Creative forums and you will know what I mean. Furthermore they req. a slightly higher i/o bandwidth, requiring more clock cycles on the pci bus than some other brands, this based on places like Sharkeys, Toms Hardware and pc mag benchmarks. This is "one" of the MANY reasons users with WinXP, SB sound cards and via kt-133 chipsets have more problems than users with other hardware combos. Creatives drivers have also been implicated to some degree but I have no way to verify this. As always company A blames company B... B blames A, etc. etc.

(...and yes, I did install the WinXP compatability SB sound drivers from creative which they so generously wrote 6-8 weeks AFTER the official release of WinXP even though MS had been releasing developer info on XP to vendors for nearly a year before the release). Of course the official creative position is that the card is 100% compatable with the native XP drivers but what they don't say is the card is no better than a awe64 in that mode because it has no tools, no surround sound (ie 5.1, eax etc.).
Now that last paragraph was an example of whining, hope you see the difference.

Fyi: On my daughters winXP pc, her sound problems cleared up after I installed a turtle beach Santa Cruz sound card (NO I am NOT suggesting you do the same just stating a fact).
I am NOT saying SB cards are bad or someone elses card is better. I own one and will probably buy another eventually.
The point is a SB card may not solve your sound problems so if you want to "get a real sound card", do your research homework before buying.

Note: I know little about the new audigy card except that you can now buy one for less than I paid for my sb live 5.1.
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As far as "get an nVidia card for compatability is concerned... since when should I have to pick my game then buy the hardware to run it. It is supposed to work the other way around.
If a mfg says you need open GL 1.1+ or directX 8.x+ to display properly, and that is what you have, then you should not have to replace your hardware when things don't work. It is their responsibility to refund or fix.
Note: I have a VisionTek GF4 ti 4400 128mg card so this is not sour grapes and in fact the game exibits one graphics anomoly that I'm presently researching even with that card.
SO, again, nVidia is not necessarily the answer here.
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Summary:
NewBJedi had an opportunity to create a really great guide here but he watered it down with his own mfg prejudices and insults to the very people he should have been helping.
There is a world of difference between... "you can do even better if you..." or "I recommend that..." as opposed to "you suck and so does your pc - fix it - buy this - if you were as good as me you wouldn't be having these problems"

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Old 07-08-2002, 09:16 PM   #39
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The guide was written back in the "1.02" days.

As for XP having more problems than 98?

*User error*

If you bought a motherboard with a VIA chipset:

*Buyer Beware*
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Old 07-09-2002, 12:06 PM   #40
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I didn't say that 98 was better than Winxp IT IS NOT!
I have XP on all my computers at home (laptop excepted)
and I'm trying to get rid of 2000 at work and get it there too.

My point was on all the stuff I said. . .
The author spoke authoritatively and condescendingly
and the solutions he put forth (including upgrading to XP from
98) were NOT necessarily going to solve someones problem.

If you are going to tell people to "do this" and you won't be having these problems, then "this" had better be something that
works amd doesn't create more headaches.

On the Via thing that is moot.
Via swears that the problem is that Mother board mfg's
improperly set certain registers in the chipset in the bios code
in order to tweak performance of their mobo.

They may be lying, or they may be telling the truth.

I have the kt133 in my Abit kt7-raid board and I haven't had
any of the problems I've read about. Even my former sound problem was a Creative SB LIve 5.1 vs. MS WinXP issue.

Regardless, if you have an AMD Cpu try and buy a decent
motherboard that does NOT have a via chipset. . .

FYI: I am NOT a fan, affiliate, or stock owner of Via.

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