lfnetwork.com mark read register faq members calendar
View Poll Results: Bots or not bots?
Bots 30 63.83%
No bots 17 36.17%
Voters: 47. You may not vote on this poll


Thread: Bots or no bots?
Thread Tools Display Modes
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Old 10-10-2004, 12:59 PM   #1
WinterJedi
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Ljungby/Småland/Sweden
Posts: 56
Question Bots or no bots?

What do you prefer, a game filled with bots or a game without bots?


"I would weep, but my tears have been stolen; I would shout, but my voice has been taken. Thus, I write."
WinterJedi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-10-2004, 01:03 PM   #2
WinterJedi
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Ljungby/Småland/Sweden
Posts: 56
Red face NO bots!

I voted no bots. It's much more fun playing vs. players only. Sure, the fights might not get as big but on a 32 player server it's just grand if there´s no bots around. Even on smaller servers I'd like to have players only, it becomes more personal.

If I want to play vs. bots, I'd rather play singleplayer!


"I would weep, but my tears have been stolen; I would shout, but my voice has been taken. Thus, I write."
WinterJedi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-10-2004, 01:30 PM   #3
Iceman_IX
Junior Member
 
Iceman_IX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Gainesville, FL
Posts: 296
You don't get credit for killing bots! I generally ignore bots, including the "fake" enemies/allies like wookiees on Kashyyyk and Ewoks on Endor.


XFire id: icemanix
NF7 | MBarton 2500 200x12.5 @1.875v
OCZ3200EL 2x256+512 @11-3-3-2
eVGA 6800GT | SB Live 5.1
Antec 430 | SLK-900 @53C load
Iiyama E431S | XDreamerII @30C
3dMark05: 4111
nForcersHQ
Iceman_IX is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-10-2004, 01:31 PM   #4
Sam Fisher
eh.
 
Sam Fisher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Texas
Posts: 6,466
Well, if they made better bots, then I'd be really happy. But what they got right now (dumb bots that stand on grenades) just really doesn't cut it.




stuck in an eternity of sunshine and chocolate.
Sam Fisher is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-10-2004, 01:41 PM   #5
SkankinShine
Rookie
 
SkankinShine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 31
Not as bad as stupid players who stand on grenades...

I think the bots help make the game feel like a battle. And it gives the players some freedom to blend in with the crowd and act strategically.
SkankinShine is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-10-2004, 02:29 PM   #6
lukeiamyourdad
Using Teletraan I
 
lukeiamyourdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Posts: 8,274
LFN Staff Member 
Agrees with above.

I've seen humans acting stupider then bots.

Besides, the point of this game is that it feels like a battle. With additional bots the feeling is nicer.


http://www.marioramos.ca/ -A friend of mine and an aspiring filmmaker.
lukeiamyourdad is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-10-2004, 02:32 PM   #7
Evil Dark Jedi
The Dark Side pwns!
 
Evil Dark Jedi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: The Land Down Under
Posts: 2,182
Quote:
Originally posted by SkankinShine
Not as bad as stupid players who stand on grenades...

I think the bots help make the game feel like a battle. And it gives the players some freedom to blend in with the crowd and act strategically.
I agree. The bots add a feeling of a large battle in the game.


Sig encountering technical difficulties...
Evil Dark Jedi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-10-2004, 03:33 PM   #8
WinterJedi
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Ljungby/Småland/Sweden
Posts: 56
Thumbs down

It might make the battles feel larger, but to me they are stealing the multiplayer game from me! Boo, hiss!


"I would weep, but my tears have been stolen; I would shout, but my voice has been taken. Thus, I write."
WinterJedi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-10-2004, 04:17 PM   #9
Kurgan
Headhunter
 
Kurgan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 1997
Location: The Dawn of Time
Posts: 18,322
LFN Staff Member 10 year veteran! 
I'd like them if they were any good, but for now they are crap.

I mean I enjoy gunning them down, but having them on my team is just depressing.

Let me say that I am a strong believer in having bots to help extend the life of a game in general, but the bots that came package with SWBF so far need some work...


Bots are nice to round-out smaller games, and for people playing offline and those who don't want to wait or can't get a good big game going. It helps simulate that large battlefield. It also helps tide you over while you wait for a human team. It's also excellent for training or testing out stuff that might piss off humans or distract from the game itself.

And really, few people are going to be able to host SWBF games with all those players as humans. So having a bunch of humans that each command squads of bots is kinda cool. Just for right now the bots don't respond to orders very well and are reluctant to use vehicles sometimes. So until that's fixed I sympathize with those who don't use them.

Actually, I experienced this phenomena in Rainbow 6 and I experienced it at least once in SWBF (in Instant Action Mode). If the bots can win without me, somebody did something right. Sadly the fact that the bots don't work well enough WITH ME when I'm there annoys me. Hopefully future patches will address that. I like the feeling of being a field commander!


A tool we really need is some kind of "Bot Creator Wizard" for creating custome bots to use online.


Download JK2 maps for JA Server|BOOT CAMP!|Strategic Academy|
(JA Server: 108.178.55.189:29070)


"The Concussion Rifle is the weapon of a Jedi Knight Player, an elegant weapon, from a more civilized community." - Kyle Katarn
Kurgan is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-10-2004, 06:42 PM   #10
lukeiamyourdad
Using Teletraan I
 
lukeiamyourdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Posts: 8,274
LFN Staff Member 
Dude...

You've never experience the horrors of the bots in BF1942/Vietnam. After that these bots are actually smart.


http://www.marioramos.ca/ -A friend of mine and an aspiring filmmaker.
lukeiamyourdad is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-11-2004, 03:57 AM   #11
Pho3nix
#rekt
 
Pho3nix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 3,370
Forum Veteran 
No bots.

Pho3nix is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 07:27 AM   #12
Jet Black
Rookie
 
Jet Black's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 83
Quote:
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Dude...

You've never experience the horrors of the bots in BF1942/Vietnam. After that these bots are actually smart.
Agreed I was pretty impressed with the Star Wars: Battlefront bots compared to the morons in Battlefield 1942/Battlefield Vietnam.

I like having bots in games for a few reasons:

1) It rounds out smaller servers so there's more fun.
2) Make the battles seem that much more engrossing (A server with 5 on 5 or even 10 on 10 can feel pretty empty).
3) The most fun I've had playing this game is commanding these brainless soldiers to aid in the battle. Unlike 1942, they actually seem to listen to commands and if you take a few bots with you as backup/gunners, you'll be much better off.
Jet Black is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 07:36 AM   #13
[CI]Levi
Rookie
 
[CI]Levi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 14
I agree completely with Jet

The bots are valuable if you tell them back you up or be a gunner. Much more so than in BFV. AI has a long way to go in every game.


For now I will keep the bots on our server. Just how many is the question.


[CI]Levi is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 07:49 AM   #14
Blimbo
Rookie
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Cleveland
Posts: 30
I believe the bots DO count as multiplayer kills, which annoys me.

The only place I want bots are as gunners and as rear guards, great at which they are not. Which means I would like, at most, 4 bots per side. I prefer no bots, I loathe them.

I get zero satisfaction from gunning a bot down at range when it doesn't react once to my fire. Even if they were as agile and smart as UT bots I still would get no satisfaction.

I prefer a 32+ human server. But thats just me, I voted no. I play these types of games to pit my skill against other humans. I go through the single player vs bots once to learn the mechanics of a game, then I prefer to leave them behind. I really don't like bots.
Blimbo is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 07:57 AM   #15
Jet Black
Rookie
 
Jet Black's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 83
I think the biggest reason for bots right now is that there seem to be far fewer online players than other games. When I load up ASE to find a game, I can usually see a couple North American servers with a good number of players, and then the number sharply drops to like 4/20 or something.

If SWBF ever gets to the numbers of other games, bots can be turned off always - but I don't find any pleasure playing a 2 on 2 game
Jet Black is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 07:59 AM   #16
RebelScum!
Forumite
 
RebelScum!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: The Front Line next to Tk-8252
Posts: 600
Quote:
Originally posted by SkankinShine
Not as bad as stupid players who stand on grenades...

I think the bots help make the game feel like a battle. And it gives the players some freedom to blend in with the crowd and act strategically.
I agree with shine here. Bots are good to make the battle feel more real...Just like in a real battle some people are stupid others are smart...We are the smart and bots are the dumb.


Join the BBF

SWbattlefront name:RebelScum!
Check out my Site
Avatar by Astrotoy7
RebelScum! is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 08:14 AM   #17
Clone_Fighter
Rookie
 
Clone_Fighter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Endor, hiding under a fallen tree.
Posts: 157
Bots, cuz they don't whine..

NOTHING's more annoying than sum1 getting pissed every time u gun'em down.




Now Playing:
PC: Anarchy Online
PS2: Star Wars: Battlefront
Clone_Fighter is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 08:27 AM   #18
beard
Rookie
 
beard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 16
Small games: bots are good to keep numbers up.
Large Games: Bots aren't that benefical to the match.

I don't really care if BFV has or doesnt have dumber bots, the point is bots in this game...
and regarding that they are extremely predictable and mostly just serve to get my kill number higher. For example when you are sniping... they just stand still while far away half the time, and when you shoot at them they roll to the side then stand up and dont move. Makes sniping easy & substantially less enjoyable when there is no challenge.


PS:
Quote:
including the "fake" enemies/allies like wookiees on Kashyyyk and Ewoks on Endor.
You can't tell me killing the ewoks or jar-jar isn't fun.


-Beard-
beard is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 12:33 PM   #19
Jet Black
Rookie
 
Jet Black's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 83
I haven't setup a server, but what kind of options are there? Is it possible to have a 32 player server, for example, and have slots filled with bots until real players join? As the number reaches 32 players, fewer and fewer bots will be there until ultimately it's all humans?

Or do you have to pick a constant number of bots and live with them?
Jet Black is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 02:38 PM   #20
insanellama
Rookie
 
insanellama's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: In an AT-AT or TIE Fighter
Posts: 108
i like bots for the most part, but for some reason on geonosis sp the clones on my team NEVER take cp's. They could be standing next to a completely unguarded cp and not even move to take it, then just walk away. I think the bots are incredibly dumb, but make for bigger, more fun battles so i voted ye for bots


STAR WARS BATTLEFRONT WILL OWN ALL!!

Shadow Army of the Galactic Empire Join today! PC, XBOX, AND PS2!
insanellama is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-12-2004, 11:09 PM   #21
DieStarWarsGeek
Rookie
 
DieStarWarsGeek's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: California
Posts: 154
I'd voted no.

My feelings are summed up perfectly with what Blimbo said.


DieStarWarsGeek is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-13-2004, 12:53 AM   #22
Kiffalot
Lurker
 
Kiffalot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Bornheim/FFM
Posts: 3
Quote:
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Dude...

You've never experience the horrors of the bots in BF1942/Vietnam. After that these bots are actually smart.

You are right, the bots are definitely a lot better then in bfv.

I agree that humans versus humans is BEST, but the bots in swbf create a 100% guaranteed battle feeling i sometimes miss in bfv. In particular if you think of the many battles playing with non-teamplayers , rookies, etc..
Kiffalot is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-13-2004, 03:31 AM   #23
Rends
Junior Member
 
Rends's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Theed
Posts: 314
I like to have Bots in multiplayer missions too because you can tell them to stay and protect a spawnpoint.
I did it few days ago in Mos Eisley and once the 3rd group of Bots spawned at the same SP it was a nice group of Bots arount the SP and it was a Darktrooper trap. I had so much fun watching the Darktroopers jumping from roofs or over walls to the Spawnpoint and got immediatly killed by my Defenders

Rends
Rends is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-13-2004, 04:27 AM   #24
grep
Rookie
 
grep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: NJ, USA
Posts: 55
Quote:
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Dude...

You've never experience the horrors of the bots in BF1942/Vietnam. After that these bots are actually smart.
HAHAHAHA you're absolutely right! When I first got this game the day of its release, I actually was impressed with the bots in this game due to the fact that I had to go through years of horrible AI with 42/BFV.

You wanna talk dumb? How about in some cases where you can literally walk up to a bot in BFV, shake hands, have a cup of coffee, then proceed to gun him down with your AK-47 without the bot even attempting to fight back. Now those are some dumb bots.

At least the bots in this game will always fight back...


Up the Irons!
grep is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-13-2004, 05:28 AM   #25
Vezner
 
Vezner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Utah
Posts: 57
Quote:
Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad
Dude...

You've never experience the horrors of the bots in BF1942/Vietnam. After that these bots are actually smart.
Totally. I am a long time Battlefield player. BF1942 has the worst bots ever. BFV bots were slightly better but only because they followed orders better. Otherwise there are still dumb as bricks.

With the experience that I have had with bots in both of those games, SW Battlefront has friggin "Einstein Bots" IMO. Those of you who think the SW Battlefront bots are dumber than mud need to go play BF1942 to give you a better perspective. I personally have had some really good SP battles in Battlefront and have no qualms with the occasional stupid bot. Heck, I've seen lots of real people act more retarded than the bots.


-- I support George W. Bush and the USA.
-- I support the troops that are fighting and dying for our Freedom!
-- Free speech refers to political and religious rights...
NOT THE RIGHT TO BE PROFANE IN PUBLIC!
-- Christians have rights of expression too.
-- Star Wars Fan since 1979.



http://dwp.bigplanet.com/vezner1

Do you think EA is crap because they buy your favorite developer and then destroy it (ie Westwood and Origin)? Then click on this link and show your support for those who are against EA:http://gamersagainsteagames.com/
Vezner is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-13-2004, 07:29 AM   #26
lukeiamyourdad
Using Teletraan I
 
lukeiamyourdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Posts: 8,274
LFN Staff Member 
LOL!

Good old BF1942 bots. Sometimes, I walk up to them and they're aiming at the sky, staring at the clouds.

I was so surprise by SWBF bots when they landed the gunship to unload troopers. BFV's bots definition of unloading troopers from a heli is ditching it.


And true, lots of humans act worse then bots. Bots are obidient. Bots don't always act stupid and their behavior can sometimes surprise you. I got use to bots not reacting in BF1942 that when they shoot me I get killed because I didn't expect it...
Human players can't surprise me anymore(well after all this time of playing the game...).


http://www.marioramos.ca/ -A friend of mine and an aspiring filmmaker.
lukeiamyourdad is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-13-2004, 07:47 AM   #27
chrishaolin
Rookie
 
chrishaolin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 140
I am not a huge fan of bots, and would much rather play without bots, but if theres 8 or under per team, then ill deal with it..

theres nothing i hate more than winning a firefight with a human player only to be killed 2 seconds later by Ben Ulrand!


feeling froggish? leap..
chrishaolin is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-14-2004, 01:52 PM   #28
LoQ
Rookie
 
LoQ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 162
If I wanted bots I would play single player. So my vote was a no!
LoQ is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-14-2004, 04:00 PM   #29
Yahoo.s2f
Rookie
 
Yahoo.s2f's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Sweden
Posts: 27
I voted no!

Perhaps if they made the AI better and a botkill counted as a kill i might have said yes.


Yahoo.s2f is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-15-2004, 02:31 AM   #30
rut-wa jodar
 
rut-wa jodar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: a galaxy far,far away
Posts: 722
To all the gamers who voted no, I think the poll speaks for itself


I`ve bent my
rut-wa jodar is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-15-2004, 05:38 AM   #31
Jet Black
Rookie
 
Jet Black's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 83
Quote:
Originally posted by rut-wa jodar
To all the gamers who voted no, I think the poll speaks for itself
Well I played about four or five matches without bots last night, and it was fun - but it did feel a lot 'quieter' on the front, so to speak.

The problem I noticed was that without bots to double the numbers on the server, vehicles really trounced us. The other team could grab a lot of the vehicles and roll over us - and since we didn't have the numbers to take the vehicles out without dying/respawning a few times, it was extremely difficult to offer them a challenge.

Once the map changed to a vehicle-less one, things evened out A LOT.

I see both sides of the argument - it was deffinately more fun fighting all human players (even when I was slaughtered), but the maps were much smaller feeling and the vehicles were very overpowering
Jet Black is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-18-2004, 09:31 AM   #32
knunchucksammy
Rookie
 
knunchucksammy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: San Diego Ca.
Posts: 26
NO BOTS! I don't play Single player for a reason. They lag up the computers and they are nubs. I pistol kill all of them..


Back
knunchucksammy is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-18-2004, 03:09 PM   #33
lukeiamyourdad
Using Teletraan I
 
lukeiamyourdad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Posts: 8,274
LFN Staff Member 
Because you're lucky enough that SWBF MP doesn't lag on your system?

And because bots naturally create more lag then Mp?


http://www.marioramos.ca/ -A friend of mine and an aspiring filmmaker.
lukeiamyourdad is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-18-2004, 06:53 PM   #34
Ghost-7117
Rookie
 
Ghost-7117's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 11
yes for bots

I've playied lots of star wars games and this is the first one i've ever seen where the bots were actualy able to wrap up an AT-AT kudo's to the dev's for that one i still remember the battle of hoth in that game Shadows of the Empire, the two missions that had allies (hoth and the last one) the bot allies wernt worth jack think you could acualy rely on your allies in any of the rogue squadron games? . After seeing that the bots here have at least have 75 IQ ,I say let them in at least for the crudy gunner spots or the @$$ lasers on the at te. its fun watching the bot's wrap up an at at all the while thinking "its a bout F***ing time they were smart enough to do that in one of these SW games." still it is still fun hearing the gunner Bit** about my crazy flying on hoth through the legs of a usualy gets some funny prases from my copilot.


I am the Black mage! I cast the spells that make the peoples fall down!
-black mage 8-bit theater
Ghost-7117 is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-18-2004, 08:01 PM   #35
=[GKZ]=Blazin
Rookie
 
=[GKZ]=Blazin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Detroit Michigan
Posts: 31
personally i say what is a large scale star wars battle without random grunts runnin around to be fragged.

i mean if it wasen't for the 25 or so bots per team most small servers would be very boring.

plus, without the bots i would not have gotton to #46 on the leaderboard as fast as i did.


Blazin
<Security Council Head> =[Godly KnightZ]=

"Remember, it takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to pull the trigger of a decient sniper rifle."
==// My Battlefront Stats \\==
The Godly KnightZ web site
=[GKZ]=Blazin is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Old 10-18-2004, 08:19 PM   #36
=[GKZ]=Blazin
Rookie
 
=[GKZ]=Blazin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Detroit Michigan
Posts: 31
personally i say what is a large scale star wars battle without random grunts runnin around to be fragged.

i mean if it wasen't for the 25 or so bots per team most small servers would be very boring.

and i just love laying waste to the countless hords of ewoks on endor.

plus, without the bots i would not have gotton to #46 on the leaderboard as fast as i did.


Blazin
<Security Council Head> =[Godly KnightZ]=

"Remember, it takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to pull the trigger of a decient sniper rifle."
==// My Battlefront Stats \\==
The Godly KnightZ web site
=[GKZ]=Blazin is offline   you may: quote & reply,
Post a new thread. Add a reply to this thread. Indicate all threads in this forum as read. Subscribe to this forum. RSS feed: this forum RSS feed: all forums
Go Back   LucasForums > Network > SWBattlefront.net (SWBF I & II) > Star Wars Battlefront > General Discussion > Bots or no bots?

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:24 PM.

LFNetwork, LLC ©2002-2011 - All rights reserved.
Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.