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Its cool! I love it! 21 13.46%
I don't care 46 29.49%
It's ridiculous! remove it or tune it down! 89 57.05%
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Old 03-02-2002, 12:19 PM   #1
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Batsaber (aka Lightbat)

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Old 03-02-2002, 12:40 PM   #2
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Well without playing the game you actually cant tell how good or bad it is..........if you judged the graphics from the trailer then you would go on about that. Anyway, the saber battles make up for it by far.....and a way round it, make the game for an 18+ audience which Raven dont want to do OBVIOUSLY.


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Old 03-02-2002, 01:28 PM   #3
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Definately seems akward. Why not have the guys just die infront of you? Instead they fly across the room when hit by the suddenly-mack-truck-esque-sabre. And other times, limbs will come off? So what does this mean for MP; if I get hit by the sabre will I go halfway across the universe? that makes for a weird sabre duel. Or maybe what we are seeing is just the highest level sabre swing. I suppose only time will tell.


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Old 03-02-2002, 01:37 PM   #4
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I voted to tone it down some, but maybe when Kyle uses the more powerful stance the force of the blow knocks the enemy back. Then maybe when the enemy hits the ground the two halves of his body are separated.
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Old 03-02-2002, 01:41 PM   #5
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its ok, as long as it isn't totally overdone. (and as long as they don't start doing it in the movies....)

they really should tone down the distance that they fly, and the amount of backflip that they go through though.
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Old 03-02-2002, 01:50 PM   #6
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Well I dunno... they said that we could dismember stormtroopers in some interview/faq/whatwasitagain? ... but it doesn't show in the movies.. so methinks they turned on some option thingie that disables when they were going to make them movies.(for some oddball reason.. )
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Old 03-02-2002, 02:11 PM   #7
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<font color=cbcbff> I think we are all missing the point, or atleast getting the wrong one. It <i>does</i> look very cool when Kyle flings people that far. But it is also <i>not</i> realistic to the properties of a sword that cuts through anything, least of all a body. It also <i>would</i> get annoying if that happened all the time. Maybe it's understandable if that only happens in the strong stance. Either way, I voted to tune the thing down some.
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Old 03-02-2002, 02:15 PM   #8
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[B ......Maybe it's understandable if that only happens in the strong stance. Either way, I voted to tune the thing down some. [/B]
What Obi said is true. U also must take into account Kyle might have been in the powerful fighting stance, which is the most aggressive. That could be the reason why the saber looked like it batted him away. Since they did say, in a review, u gain usage of different fighting stances throughout the game.


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Old 03-02-2002, 02:33 PM   #9
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It doesnt make sense anyway, a stronger slash would only cut through easier
I know we probably wont get obi against maul like cuts, but leaving it like JK would be better than adding this cool looking but nothing to do with a lightsaber effect
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Old 03-02-2002, 02:41 PM   #10
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First of all, if all we're going to do is add "cool" things to Jedi Outcast, then why not add Godzilla<sup>TM</sup> to the game? What's that? Because it doesn't belong in Star Wars you say? Well, neither does the saber-bat.

Looking "cool" - which is debatable - is not a reason to add something to a Star Wars game. This is my right-brained response.

My left-brain says, as has already been stated here, that a lightsaber would not, should not behave as a club. It cuts through things. It doesn't impart kinetic energy


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Old 03-02-2002, 02:52 PM   #11
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who cares, it is after all a game.


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Old 03-02-2002, 02:57 PM   #12
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Personally, I have no problem with bodies flying everywhere...if you are using something like Force Push. Yes, that would look great, flinging your enemies around like rag dolls using the Force.

But flying across the room when struck by a lightsaber? I'm sorry, but I think it looked silly and totally unrealistic. As others have stated, none of the movies showed this kind of effect...and none of the previous games. It simply does not fit the context of what we have grown to believe the lightsaber can do.

Enemies tumbling head over heels when struck by the lightsaber does not really fit in either. If you slice at your opponent's legs, you expect the legs to fall off...not the guy to do a complete somersault. If this kind of thing is the standard throughout the game, then it is more inclined to make me stop using the lightsaber, rather than use it more.

I would prefer enemies simply to crumple to the ground, with an appropriate pain skin showing the level of damage. I have to agree that the lightsaber's effect has become more like a club than a weapon of finesse, with the ability to cut through solid matter.

Utlimately I will have to play the game through, and judge it on it's merits. There will obviously be some things I don't like, and some things I feel are great. Knocking Stormtroopers across the room with a lightsaber will be one of the things I will really grow to despise, unless the effect has been toned down a lot. I can only hope that if such features are kept in the final build that a decent mod crew somewhere on the planet can come up with something to fix it.
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Old 03-02-2002, 03:00 PM   #13
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I care... and right now the "lightbat" sucks. It looks ridiculously stupid. If lightsabers knock things back, then so should lasers! I mean, wouldn't it look 'cool' if you shot somebody with the stormtrooper rifle and they got knocked back 50 feet?

It looks like Kyle's hitting somebody with a solid object. It should cut through them, or at least they should just fall over.
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Old 03-02-2002, 03:00 PM   #14
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You know what else is cool? Talking Dogs. Let's put one in.

And now, I'd like to present Kyle Katarn on the set of The Warriors.

Gang Leader: "We're going to break those fools!. Everyone get some gear, this ain't gonna be fisticuffs only. The Sharks want weapons."
Rocco: "Got me this chain."
Vinny: "Lead pipe biyatch!"

*Kyle Katarn wips out saber*

Rocco: "What the hell is dat?"
Gang Leader: "We can't be using no weapons like that, it ain't right. We beat 'em and stab 'em, we ain't about slicing their arms off!"
Kyle: "Chill out guys. It's just like bat, only it glows a bit."
Shinner: "Just like my Louisville Slugger, damn straight!"
Gang Leader: "On to the fight boys!"
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Old 03-02-2002, 03:06 PM   #15
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Old 03-02-2002, 03:19 PM   #16
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ROFL
Fist, The Matrix. Then Godzilla and The Warriors!
Oh man all of this 'coolness' is just great!

Kenn seems to think this guy is cool, why not include him too?


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Old 03-02-2002, 03:34 PM   #17
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This thread is a real "hit", not unlike the Saber-Bat<sup>TM</sup>.


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Old 03-02-2002, 04:23 PM   #18
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Couldn't resist this...

Jan: "We need to hit those Stormtroopers hard..."

Kyle: "Quick! To the BatSabers!"

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Old 03-02-2002, 04:27 PM   #19
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Old 03-02-2002, 04:32 PM   #20
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<font color=cbcbff> You know what is puzzling? Usually, when we rip on something of the realism/game sort, ChangKhan or Kenn will come in here and do something to justify it. For example, that huge lightsaber glow ordeal.

This case is not unlike it, yet there is no response from Raven.

This leads me to believe that there is something they know, that we don't and that we are complaining about something that isn't even an issue.

Conclusion?

There is a chance that they turned dismemberment off for that video. Reasons being that:

- They thought it would "look cool" to the general public seeing the stormtroopers fly 50 feet in a fast-paced action movie.

- They didn't want to show the dismemberment because it's simply so cool that they wanted it to be a surprise in the game.

-They didn't want to show the dismemberment for fear of discouraging any parents from buying the game for their children.

-It has been said repeadedly that atleast arms, hands and probably legs too will be seperable from their owners. Yet in that video, people are whacked with the lightsaber left and right in the arms and legs and not a thing flies loose. The same holds true in the official screenshots. There is only one screenshot where an arm is visible flying off of a stormtrooper and I don't believe it's on the lucasarts sponsored site.

I think that Raven are sitting back in their padded armchairs and laughing at us because they cherish things like this as secrets about the game that we haven't figured out yet or that we are totally wrong about. Which is fun for them because we are very persistant and get our claws into some things that we aren't supposed to. Like the....zone site.....(sorry Raven/LEC.)

Another thing, Aristotle has seen the game, as well as other representatives of jediknightii.net. Do you honestly think that they are any less geeky than we are and that they would have been satisfied if the lightbat was truly the case? Perhaps they will be able to shed some light.
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Old 03-02-2002, 05:32 PM   #21
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Are we all forgetting about Return of the jedi? Well since we obviously are, ill remind you that luke was batting people around in rotj, and they were flying back quite a bit, maybe not AS much as in JO we've seen but.. they where. So why does it seem to bother everyone? Just cause episode 1 had shiny droids being torn apart and people being stabbed/sliced in half? Well unfortunately in this world we censor everything, so we cant have this in a video game or church going mothers around the world will unite and try to stop this game from releasing on to shelfs. Aside from insane scenarios with mothers protesting.. raven cleary stated they wanted a t rating (maybe thats lec speaking for raven) so they couldnt do those kinds of cuts and stabs like seen in The phantom menace. I personally look forward to mods that will implement this well, instead of just constantly complaining about it, cause we all need a little episode1 slice and dice magic sometimes
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Old 03-02-2002, 05:54 PM   #22
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LoL Krayt...

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As far as not showing dismemberment endangering the Teen Rating, that's patently ridiculous.

JK and MotS had dismemberment, both were rated Teen. TPM had dismemberment, and it was rated Teen.

In fact, there exist some Teen rated games that show BLOOD, so how is that even a factor?

Being able to cut off somebody's arm in MP is not something that would push the rating to "Mature."

If LEC/Raven wants this game to be more lighthearted and less "gruesome" than JK, MotS, or TPM, that's fine, it's their property, and their perrogative, but I don't find that kind of reasoning, well... reasonable.
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Old 03-02-2002, 06:43 PM   #23
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Bat saber?!?!?!? huh??, im lost....
anyway, i think i know what your talking about, personally whats the big deal? some guy jolts back from the pressure of the lightsaber striking, i didn't say it was cool, but its not that important......geez....
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Old 03-02-2002, 07:02 PM   #24
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Twinmold watch the trailers...then you will understand...

Obi as you said usually Raven people clarify this things, If they dont Its probably because they cant clarify it
Or maybe they have not visited the forums lately, but I doubt it, because the complains about this started just after the chat, and they probably read the forums to know what we thaught of the chat

Raven guys...are you there? Answer our prayers
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Old 03-02-2002, 07:11 PM   #25
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Old 03-02-2002, 07:13 PM   #26
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don't frett, Mods will be done...many mods will be done. let them have their T rating.
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Old 03-02-2002, 07:17 PM   #27
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Pffffbt to the mods. That's not the right attitude to have, imo. Kind of hard to give feedback if we always say "So and so isn't very good" and then insert "but who cares we can mod it!"
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Old 03-02-2002, 08:31 PM   #28
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90% of all mods are low quality garbage, good talent is hard to come by.
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Old 03-02-2002, 08:46 PM   #29
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Old 03-02-2002, 09:05 PM   #30
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Hey, Medal Of Honor:Allied Assault had all the blood and gore completely removed to tone down the rating, and this is a game aiming to be slightly more realistic.

The Light-bat (or alternatively the saber-bat) is a quick easy way to avoid dismemberment, to keep the game rating low.

The light-bat should go completely. Why fly across the room? I never remember seeing it in the Star Wars universe, and no it does not look cool Kenn. What does look cool is a limb coming off!!


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Old 03-02-2002, 09:28 PM   #31
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As long as it isn't in multiplay I don't really mind (which, by the same video evidence, you can see clearly it is not).
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Old 03-02-2002, 09:59 PM   #32
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Meh. I think it looks ridiculous. I don't understand how a lightsaber that cuts through human bodies can fling a corpse 20 feet. But as long as it doesn't happen often... I think I'll live.
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Old 03-02-2002, 10:27 PM   #33
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[sarcasm]Ya.. I don't think I'm going to buy Jedi Knight 2 anymore because people fly around from getting hit by a light saber[/sarcasm]. Ok, lightsabers don't exist, how can they make something realistic when it doesn't exist? Yes, I do believe they should have some basic moral view on what it looks like based on the movies and such. But, you have to take in account of the hard rating system that is out there. The ESRB rating system is quite strict, they rated Super Smash Bros Melee some little kiddy cartooney fighting game for Game Cube with a Teen rating. It's true that they should dim it down a bit and I have watched the trailers many many times and I haven't really noticed this to the point at which I wanted to cancel my pre order because of it. This is such a small flaw that can be easily outmatched by all the other great things in the game. Come on guys, be happy with what you have, hmm... I'm starting to sound like my mother I'm ending this.
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Old 03-02-2002, 11:20 PM   #34
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Hey, I think we should do something more than just a poll to change the destiny of the saber duels.


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Old 03-02-2002, 11:28 PM   #35
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to late, we're all stuck with how it is. Here have a tissue to wipe away those tears.
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Old 03-02-2002, 11:32 PM   #36
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Thanks, jolts. Sniff, sniff.


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Old 03-02-2002, 11:36 PM   #37
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Exclamation Sigh...

BAH!....I DON'T CARE.....

I just want to play the game...just like everyone else...

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Old 03-02-2002, 11:39 PM   #38
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I have an important update that might put some of our fears to rest!

WARNING *SPOILERS BELOW*

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Apparently, Luke Skywalker isn't the only Jedi Master who gives a word of advice to Kyle.

Unofficial cut scene screenshot from a German game mag tells all!

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Jedi Master Babe Ruth instructs Kyle Katarn in the ways of the BatSaber

It all makes sense now!
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Old 03-02-2002, 11:50 PM   #39
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Old 03-02-2002, 11:53 PM   #40
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LOL!!

that was really hilarious
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