<hr><font color="#3299CC"><font size="1"> There are no genuine "elites" from Jedi Knight on this board. Unless I've missed a post by Kicker, Patton, Aeron, Porkchop, Jeb, Newmodel or Death, and I've looked pretty extensively. And before you ask, WD_Torment is not a JK1 "elite". He is a whining child...The same applies to JK1 skill. <u>JK1 players are archaic and inversatile.</u><font color="white"><font size=3">HUH!? explain </font></font> The majority of JK1 skill is not transferable. JK1 "elites" restrict themselves to 2 levels: BGJ and oasis (ji for nf gunners). <u>Much of their so-called "skill" is merely muscle-memory of every cubic inch of the level. Example: DSbr_Narz is/was widely regarded as one of the best FF gunners in the game.</u> He would regularly "trounce" me, in FF oasis, 20 to -5 or better. He suggested we play a FF guns level from massassi; 4 pillars. I won 10-0.
-- JZA </font></font><hr>
<b><font color="yellow"><font size="2">First, I want to say hi to all the people that know me
and to all the people that don't know me *waves ( I am glad you're here)* </b></font></font>
I am excited that Jedi Knight 2 is coming out this month. I have high expectations for this game as I am sure everybody else does.
Let's get a few things straight JZA.
1) As for no "elites" posting on this board I wonder how you would know what an "elite" looks like.
- JK is five years old. The game has not changed over time, the community has.
- "Elite" is only a term used after 1999. Before 1999 JK possessed a genuine spirit of community.
-The focal point of JK was fun and entertainment not "eliteness".
This brings me to the conclusion that you(JZA) are not as old in the JK community as you would like us to believe.
2) There are no formal elites posting on this message board? Posh! When your definition of an elite are FF players go tell your friends to come post.
There were two aspects of JK which predominated over the rest from when Jedi Knight started to the time it died.
2.) Nar Shaada
If you played between 97 - 99 you would know that Cases and the ladder room is where all the competitive players hung out. In your small list of "elite" players you only named FF gunners. Are you insinuating that only FF gunners are elite?
99% of the zone played nf sabers or nf guns. FF was too arbitrary to be a deciding factor in skill. These are a few reasons why most of the competative players never played FF.
1.) Hax started to show up in JK. showing up first in FF so all the players who were interested in fair and competative gaming played NF sabers, NF guns, and NF CTF.
2.)Notice how most of the FF players are foreign? I wonder why. um lets see could it be <font size="5"> LAG??</font>
There weren't many levels? Have you gone to massassi? I can tell you don't play NF anything. The truth of the matter is FF is the only skill where levels mattered. What If I told you I had trained Newmodel, and Death in sabers. Why don't you ask them ok.
I'll show you some elites.
<u>Former number 1's on Cases Ladder</u>
<u>Win Percentage </u>
MERC_Exedore 100.00% 3-14-1999
and plenty others...
Your discription of DSbr_Narz is accurate. Who said he was elite? For that matter who said you were.
<hr> <br> To the rest of the people here</br>To address the topic whether JK2 will mirror JK. I don't know but I have my expectations. After 99 (and some will argue 98) JK's community dispersed and the overall mentality of JK'ers took a steep downhill dive. Instead of focusing in on fun and teamwork JK's community became fragmented into little clans all warring to be "elite". Flaming message boards, taking a constant confrontational stance with other clans, and destroying what others had built instead of creating beauty by themselves were trademarks of "elite" clans after 99. The best clans became the clans that were the most effective **** talkers instead of the the best people to be around. which is why most of the cool people that played this game would not bother wasting their time on an old video game with so much BS to put up with.
In a letter I wrote to the webmaster of JediKnights.com I urged him to reconsider and come back to JK. He responded with a letter of this gist:
<font size="1">JK is dead and has been for a while. I don't see a community of people, I see a community of kids. When it is worthwhile for me to come back to JK,I will. In the meantime if you would like to run JediKnights.com i'll set u up as the webmaster as long as you stay active.
I have not played JK for a year (and not intensily since it died in 99). Over spring break I came back to check over some old message boards and to my surprise I found several new clans like JNO, JK, FH, FES, and several other clans boasting good sizable clans, good webpages, several unified mature members, and the right mentality. I have a feeling the only mark JK players will leave on JK2 is a bunch of small insignificant clans with oversized ego's with a lack of education, members, and people skills. Being "old school" or even being "part of the old JK community" will be a bad thing not a good one. I'm happy for all the new clans that are looking good and I want to give a warm welcome to all the new players starting Jk2.