Attention All Those With Nvidia Cards!

[KISS Army]

Hey guys,

Anyone who has an nVidia card like a TNT2, GeForce anything, etc. should note that the recommended driver version is the 23.11 drivers, not the detonators listed as the "most current" on nVidia.com.
When you go to the drivers page, you need to click on "Driver Archive" to get to the 23.11's.

Direct links:

Win 95/98/ME:
http://205.158.109.140/Windows/23.11/Win9x-Me_23.11.exe

Win2k/XP:
http://205.158.109.140/Windows/23.11/Win2K-XP_23.11.exe

The new detonators have problems with drawing black skies in the game as well as other graphical weirdness. A list of all video cards supported and their recommended driver versions are in your Jedi Outcast/install directory in the trouble.rtf file...the troubleshooting guide.

Thanks!

--Kenn

Kenn Hoekstra
Raven Software

[Porl'']

Would that be the reason why im only getting a funny yellow sky?? and no stars.. ...I was wondering why there wasn't any clouds...

I'll try the 23.11 driver tonight!! !! ....*looking forward to seeing clouds and stars!!* ........good thing too cus I've just got to Bespin!

Thanks

Porl''

[Psionic_Chaos]

Wow, thanks for the advice. JK2 and a couple other games ork better now!

[Lazzz]

A common symptom of these crashes is that after pressing Alt and F4 the desktop comes back with washed out colours and the same resolution as the game settings - this happened identical on both my GeForce cards and appears to be either a card or game code problem.

20 04 02: I upgraded to 27.70 drivers and that seems to have sorted things out.

My System:

P4 2.0A, TH7-II Raid Bios version as bought, 512MB RDRAM, 60GB Maxtor Hard disc, PCI 128 sound, Sparkle GF4400 128MB video card, 12xDVD Win98SE. DX8.0a.

Drivers: nVidia 21.81 used on 3D Prophet ii GF Pro
nVidia 27.00 used on Sparkle GF4400 as retailed.
nvidia27.70 loaded to Sparkle GF4400 as downloaded
from Sparkle's site.

PS. The first TH7-ii bios was crap - I've put a newer one on that too ie: 10400 in 3DMark 2001SE at 1024x768x32 TH38bios.

odd... i'm using the 2802s on my ME machine and on my XP box and they both run nicely... >shrug<
=)

[Distortion]

lo, I have a Hercules Geforce3 but i seem to have no problems

[Porl'']

Damn, the drivers didn't change the sky.. Its still lemon yellow, and i know it shouldn't be like that because sometimes when i look directly up (For example at the very start of the Cloud city level) I can see the proper brown sky/clouds......

...does any one else get this ?? ...Im running a 32mb Nividia TNT 2.

Thanks

Porl''

P.S. all the skies work fine in Multiplayer.

[Demolisher]

I got a 64 Mb Geforce 2 MX with those drivers and the game crashes all the time for me.

On a side note, it seems like my computer can only successfully run Quake 3 engine games. Quake 1 and 2 engine games, like GL Hexen II and Heretic II, are just too dark and I can't raise the gamma or brightness any higher. On top of that, non-quake-based games like Unreal Tournament and Diablo II won't even start at all for me. I just got this new computer so I can have all my old and new games, and it turns out I can only enjoy Elite Force and Jedi Knight II, JK2 when it's not crashing that is.

[Mavolic]

I have a Visiontek Geforce3 Ti200, running 28.32 drivers under Win2000 and they work just fine...

There has been a lot of complaints about the 23.11 drivers in quite a few different games. Definately not a recommended driver...

[Regar]

I downloaded the 23.11 drivers and began the installation, but a warning window popped up stating that to continue the installation could be dangerous to my system. It said that because the software I was attempting to install was not officially "approved" of by microsoft, I stood the risk of having my system suffer in someway (viruses, malfunction etc.) Is this reason enough not to install these drivers?
Also, I have a RIVA TNT2 model 64 (HP) card, will the 23.11 drivers make a significant difference in its performance if I do install them? The current drivers are version 5.13.01.1462. Thanks.
Keep up the great work.

[Regar]

Will the 23.11 drivers help my RIVA TNT2 card?

[daczter]

I tried installing the old drivers with my geforce 4 but, like i read in another threat, it does not recognize the card. SO I installed drivers version 28.35 which works fine (other than bad shadows, it seems to me that this should be fixed in a patch).
With a graphics demanding game, as is the case with Jedi outcast, it should work beautifully with the top cards.... right now u either get bad performance with a low end card or if u are lucky enough to have a better video card then u have to put up with bugz.

Don't getting wrong I understand that all Pc games when the come out are buggy until the patches are developed, I just hope u guys can fix these bugs.

May the force be with u (I think all of us gamers are counting on that, so that u guys come out with a patch to fix must of or problem if not all)

chao

[[-nix-] Goober]

Could this possiable be the reason why im having a cl_parsepacketentities error?
And if not...what could that error be?

Thx Goober

[Bumblebee]

I can not even install my Jedi II correct each time i try ( i guess)

if it seems to be installed correctly i meet one of the following situations - after starting the single player (normal or save mode)

- the entire computer freezes - cold reboot needed
or
- the computer reboot's by its own
or
- error-message about the .exe then back to the desktop where the resolution has been changed to 640x480/16 bit and a (very) much to high brightness

the driver-change to 23.11 did not helped me, i am more or less , at least

the stats

athlon xp2000+
asus a7v266e with newest 4in1 and all that stuff
512 MB DDR-Ram
soundblaster life 5.1
ASUS GeF3 V8200 DeLuxe
WIN 98Se

anyone with a brilliant idea??

i would very wellcome some usefull input - thanks

Bumble

[Emon]

Originally posted by Bumblebee
I can not even install my Jedi II correct each time i try ( i guess)

if it seems to be installed correctly i meet one of the following situations - after starting the single player (normal or save mode)

- the entire computer freezes - cold reboot needed
or
- the computer reboot's by its own
or
- error-message about the .exe then back to the desktop where the resolution has been changed to 640x480/16 bit and a (very) much to high brightness

the driver-change to 23.11 did not helped me, i am more or less , at least

the stats

athlon xp2000+
asus a7v266e with newest 4in1 and all that stuff
512 MB DDR-Ram
soundblaster life 5.1
ASUS GeF3 V8200 DeLuxe
WIN 98Se

anyone with a brilliant idea??

i would very wellcome some usefull input - thanks

Bumble

Sounds like a software problem to me. That brightness I get when sometimes JO locks up when trying to connect to slow crappy servers (seems to be fixed in the new binaries), just run the game again, exit and it fixes it.

As for your other crashing or locking problems, it's probably Win 98SE. Win 98SE is a peice of crap. I would suggest Windows 2000 Professional. After downloading the Win 2K updates (service pack 2, etc) it's far faster than XP, more stable, more secure, and runs more programs (more compatible). If you can't afford that, Win XP Home is a good bet. It's about $100.

Before you buy a new OS, do more troubleshooting. That's just a hunch of mine, since I know Win 98SE/ME really sucks and often has many problems.

[Hamni Nadar]

i dont bother upgrading drivers mainly coz when ur reformat u have reinstall em all again (which i can never be bothered to do) i use Geforce 2 with orginal drivers and what ive notice is that the sky is fine on high setting but if you drop the graphic option down to obdomise speed for MP the sky goes black ...... so you could try playing with your option ......

[Hamni Nadar]

im really lazy when it comes to drivers and so i dont even bother updating them. i use my Geforce2 with its orginal drives on on high setting it works fine (it should be noted that on lower setting the sky has been known to go black !?) ....

[FimbulWinter]

We could use some help and fix with direct support for last generation 3dfx cards. This is the first major release since I purchased my Falcon NW comp (voodoo 3 AGP) that doesn't include direct out of the box support. How hard would it be to issue an update/download to let us experience the game properly too?

I can play but I constantly have to tweak (move up and down) video settings and all cinematics don't work and are corrupted. Also the front end looks like, well, I'm sure you all know what it looks like.

Can there at least be announcement made as to whether or not a fix will be issued for us or do we need to go buy an nvidia card even though nvidia said they would continue to support 3dfx users (the industry standard a short 3 years ago).

Other publishers are still offering out of the box support - why doesn't this game?

The newest work just fine on my old TNT.

[Hgoale]

I have the newest version of the Detonator drivers for my GeForce2 Ti 64 MB and the game works perfectly. So it may just be some of the cards with the Detonator drivers.

[melianor]

There are as i have seen even problems with the 23.11 detonators. The game would not load at ALL until i turned of the "Anti-Alaiasing" for direct in the advanced drivers options from display properties.
After that the game runs wonderful!

just my to bits...

[Bumblebee]

a little update from me

it work's just fine, high resolution, perfect grafics with high FPS

on WIN XP PROFESSIONAL

i am still stuck on WIN98Se, but i dont want to give up

thanks for the help, m8-es

Bumble

[ajpiano]

My brothers game crashes at random times throught a multiplayer game he has had the game for 3 weeks. he tries to play then when it crashes he gets very angry, i don't blame him. he and i both run a gforce 2 ti 450 but my works and his doesn't. the game just freezes with an annoting loop sound.

[Stormtrooper87]

Thanks for the help on the drivers, knowing me, I would have done something extreamly bad to my computer and mesed it up big time.

Stormtrooper87

[Diogenes]

Originally posted by FimbulWinter
We could use some help and fix with direct support for last generation 3dfx cards. This is the first major release since I purchased my Falcon NW comp (voodoo 3 AGP) that doesn't include direct out of the box support. How hard would it be to issue an update/download to let us experience the game properly too?

I can play but I constantly have to tweak (move up and down) video settings and all cinematics don't work and are corrupted. Also the front end looks like, well, I'm sure you all know what it looks like.

Can there at least be announcement made as to whether or not a fix will be issued for us or do we need to go buy an nvidia card even though nvidia said they would continue to support 3dfx users (the industry standard a short 3 years ago).

Other publishers are still offering out of the box support - why doesn't this game?

Download and install WickedGL, read their boards about how to add new games to it. Use the Q3A settings, and you should do much better for FPS and problems. Up until a week ago my brother was playing on a Voodoo card, and did pretty decent.

[FuRiLA21]

I redid my Win XP system and now I seem to get the black skies bug.. it seems like I have gone through all the nvidia drivers for my TNT2 and nothing is helping. Any ideas?

[FuRiLA21]

I just redid my Win XP system and seem to be getting the black skies bug. I cannot figure it out and I've tried pretty much all the nvidia drivers suggested out there. Any ideas on how to fix this problem?

[3-Lions]

hi all

just a quick message (if it helps any one GG), and if the admin can advise me on anything all the better

i have a p2 350
geforce 2 tit 64 megs
198 meg
win 98

games i play :

CS
TFC
MAX PAYNE
MOH
and now JEDI KNIGHT 2

and JK2 seemd to run fine (except the odd slow down, due to my slow processor i think)

i current use the DETONATOR driver 21.81 (its quite old)
and have found no problems at all...

i tried the newer drivers sometime ago (mainly designed i think for win2000 and xp) and found they made my system less stable

so i went back to 28.81, and have found no problems at all with the above games! touch wood!!!!!!

[NewBJedi]

Sorry to disagree, but the 23.11's caused a lot of people problems.

I suggest the 27.42's. See my Whiners Guide in Game Feedback.

[Aliasalpha]

A guaranteed method to solve the yellow sky (Well, it's guaranteed to work on MY computer anyway)

Open JK2Config

Replace
seta r_fastsky "1"

With
seta r_fastsky "0"

Worked for me.

[Aliasalpha]

Open JK2CONFIG

Replace
seta r_fastsky "1"

With
seta r_fastsky "0"

Worked for me.

[JNO_Blues]

I'm running a geforce 4 ti 4600, athlon xp2100, 512 megs of ram machine yet at times with all the settings on the highest i will only get a frame rate of like 25 in a game with about 20 people and a huge map like ns streets ctf.
Should my machine be getting better or should I stop complaining and be happy with what I get?

[Jedi Howell]

you really should download the recommended drivers.

to anyone who doesn't have the game working: try running the game at multiple resolutions, turning on and off features. sometimes it just ends up that you are using a feature that your video card does not support.

3D Accelerator Card Required
A 100% OpenGL compatible 3D Accelerator is required. Supported chipsets at time of release.

ATI Radeon
ATI Radeon 7500/8500
ATI Rage 128
ATI Rage 128 Pro
Matrox G400
Matrox G450
Matrox G550
NVIDIA GeForce 256 family
NVIDIA GeForce 2 family
NVIDIA GeForce 3 family
NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 family
PowerVR Kyro
PowerVR Kyro II

if your card is not on this list, contact the manufacturer/look up the manual to see if your card is DX8.x compliant. if it isn't, get a new card. you can pick up a GF3ti200 for around $150, and a GF2ti for around $100. for those who are truly on a small budget, a GF2mx400 64mb is only $40-$50 right now.

if your card is on the list/is DX8.x compliant, make sure you have the latest/recommended drivers.

if you are running Windows 9x, or Windows ME(yes, i know. but some people really don't know the difference), i have great sympathy for you. Get Windows XP, get Windows 2000(NOT Windows ME[Millenium Edition]). Get something else. If you absolutely cannot, find a tutorial on how to reformat your harddrive. make sure you back all your stuff up.

you see, up until four months ago, i couldn't play any Q3-based games, as I had a Diamond Viper 2-Z200 32mb. it is only DX7 compliant, not DX8. I could not play any recent games. up until 2 months ago, i could not play ANY DX7-or later games, nor reinstall any of them. It was a corrupted Win98se installation. Then I found NTFS. Beautiful.

my systems:

win xp pro
athlon slot a 750mhz
asus k7v mobo
640mb pc133 ram
geforce 2 mx400 64mb
30gb 7200rpm
fried floppy drive(damn soyo)
8x4x32 cd-rw drive

win xp pro
athlonxp 1800+
abit k7ra-133 mobo
512 pc2100 ddr ram
geforce3ti200 (overclocked to gf3 speeds) 128mb ddr
60gb 7200rpm
no floppy drive(damn soyo)
56x cdrom(soon to be dvd+rw)

JK2 works perfectly on each. nice framerates, ok res, no glitches, no crashes. i have the most recent Nvidia drivers.

jh

[registering sux]

Awhile back I upgraded to 28.32 and noticed that it broke a lot of games, so I went on a search for the perfect driver. I found 15.70. Here's the low-down on problems I encounted with the official non-beta releases from nVidia:

12.41: This release has OpenGL issues.

15.70: This is the release I found to work correctly in all games I tried, and is definitely the most stable and compatible release from nVidia.

21.83: This release has problems with mouse lag in games, and it also causes a hang on restart/shutdown (at least in Win2K/XP).

23.11: This release is terrible! Windows 2K/XP crash uncontrollably from issues caused by these drivers.

27.xx, 28.xx: These releases are definitely meant for performance. I got the highest benchmark scores in 3DMark 2001 SE by far. Unfortunately, they also break pretty much all games in some way.
-In Phantasy Star Online (Japanese PC Import), there are problems with the screen refresh, like graphics tearing and a wave-like affect. This is even with vsync enabled.
-In Unreal Tournament, the framerate is super choppy even though it reports it's drawing at over 100fps. If you try and change the resolution or color depth using these drivers, your entire computer will either freeze, or crash.
-In Quake III Arena, it suffers from the same problems as Jedi Knight II.

[pulsedrive]

Originally posted by Emon


Sounds like a software problem to me. That brightness I get when sometimes JO locks up when trying to connect to slow crappy servers (seems to be fixed in the new binaries), just run the game again, exit and it fixes it.

As for your other crashing or locking problems, it's probably Win 98SE. Win 98SE is a peice of crap. I would suggest Windows 2000 Professional. After downloading the Win 2K updates (service pack 2, etc) it's far faster than XP, more stable, more secure, and runs more programs (more compatible). If you can't afford that, Win XP Home is a good bet. It's about $100.

Before you buy a new OS, do more troubleshooting. That's just a hunch of mine, since I know Win 98SE/ME really sucks and often has many problems.

I am fairly new to the forums, however I have been frequenting the main JK2.net page sinece I got the game right after it came out.

On the subject of video cards and this game. I was an AVID 3dfx user, I had a Voodoo 5 AGP in my machine when I got this game. I had very similar problems to the person with the Voodoo 3 AGP earlier. The game would run, but it would lock on the weirdest things.

There has been a documented problem with Nvidia chipsets and Athlon XP processors, the latest drivers to a little to fix this problem, but not all of it. I personally had to go replace my video card, because I wasn't going to take that fine piece of programming back to the store.(jk2) I got an ATI radeon and it has functioned fine for me.

I have seen the brightness issue also, all you need to do is go to your display properties and go to the advanced section, and click on the color tab, and that will fix it without any hopping around with the game.

As for WIN98SE, it is not as stable as WIN2K, however it in no way should be compared to ME, because ME was a bad try and genetically splicing WIN2K's Kernal, andf Win98SE's Kernal together, and as is perfectly obvious, failed. I have JK2 on a Win98SE box, with an Nvidia Riva TNT2, and it works just fine. It might simply be that you need to rebuild your machine, not replace the OS.

[phobos512]

Maybe you haven't noticed, but there are no longer official drivers being written for the 3dfx cards. There's no official support in Windows XP so far as I know. If Microsoft doesn't support them anymore, how can you expect anyone else to?

[(\/)!k€]

Originally posted by [-nix-] Goober
Could this possiable be the reason why im having a cl_parsepacketentities error?
And if not...what could that error be?

Thx Goober

I am having the same problem with the

CL_ParsePacketEntities Error.... this also seems to be a problem with other games using the same engine..... such as the newly released SOF2 demo!!!!


anyone know a solution????????????

[DirkBelig]

Unacceptable!

JK2 ran fine on my GF3Ti200 AND GF4Ti4400 with the official 28.32 drivers, but the moment I installed the 1.03 patch, it all went to hell.

Nvidia has had a solid reputation for quality drivers and seeing as Quake 3 has been out for 2-1/2 YEARS and runs fine, it makes you wonder what Raven did to destablize Carmack's code.

(Carmack, while commenting on ATI vs. Nvidia drivers, said something like, "...when I run into problems on Nvidia cards, I assume it's an error in my code; if there's a problem on an ATI card, I figure it's a driver bug.")

[Lostman]

Originally posted by Demolisher
GL Hexen II and Heretic II, are just too dark and I can't raise the gamma or brightness any higher. On top of that, non-quake-based games like Unreal Tournament and Diablo II won't even start at all for me.

The brightness issue probably is a monitor issue, not a videocard issue.

And all the other games your running, UT and all that, are you running at high res? Try 800x600 @ 16 bit and see what happens.

[techmater]

Kenn,

While switching to the Nvidia 23.11 driver seems to be an answer to graphics glitches that people are experiencing, I had 100% perfect operation with everything maxed out, until I loaded the 1.03 patch... Now, only the girl at the beginning of the game looks completely wierd graphically. All other characters and graphics are fine as before!! My system specs are pretty high end... P4 2.0aGhz, 1024M DDR Crucial RAM, GeForce 4 Ti 4600 video, SB Audigy sound, ASUS P4B266 MB. Any ideas?