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Old 10-18-2002, 11:39 PM   #1
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Don't Download Jediplus!!!

I couldn't believe this myself, but I bet NONE of you knew that JediPLUS gives BOFH secret access to your server through some code he placed in there. So effectively, he can control your server if he joined it! I saw this in action tonight on a server I was playing on. Apparently this sliver of code gives him free will to screw around with anyone's server! He even threatened to bring down my friend's (TMBJ) server if it was running JediPLUS.

Not only is this unethical, it is highly illegal and DEFINITELY against any moral laws that exist today. I suggest someone decompile his mod (if possible) and check his source code.

Once again, this is NOT a lie, a hoax, or a joke. This is 100% serious. BOYCOTT this mod, and DO NOT download it or put it on your server!


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Old 10-19-2002, 07:41 AM   #2
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damn bofh you're even more stupid than i thought .....

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Old 10-19-2002, 07:46 AM   #3
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Re: Don't Download Jediplus!!!

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I suggest someone decompile his mod (if possible) and check his source code.
not really possible , the only thing we can do is decompile it and have the ASM code, which is not really easy to read

but a piece of code that gives you control of the server is possible and evben easy to write.
You can even program a kind of troyan to control the client and screw his PC.
i hope he didn't do that......

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Old 10-19-2002, 11:46 AM   #4
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all he prabably did was put as one of the admin passwords aone that noone knows and he uses that so its just like as if he was one of the admins.
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Re: Don't Download Jediplus!!!

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Not only is this unethical, it is highly illegal and DEFINITELY against any moral laws that exist today. I suggest someone decompile his mod (if possible) and check his source code.
Not to mention very disturbing...

Which version, 4.0? I don't play it (promod all the way) but my brother does

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Old 10-19-2002, 07:46 PM   #6
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All of them, I expect. BOFH is quite a devious little fellow.


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Old 10-19-2002, 07:48 PM   #7
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all he prabably did was put as one of the admin passwords aone that noone knows and he uses that so its just like as if he was one of the admins.
well he can do that but he could also do something more stealthy like crete a clientside console command that'll send info to the server without the use of the cvar....

but the result is the same : a big security hole.....

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Old 10-19-2002, 09:03 PM   #8
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If this is true. Bohf can kiss any change of making a new mod ever again and could face crimial charges. But intill this has been proven true I will not jump to charge him. And yes this would be a felony.


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Old 10-19-2002, 11:33 PM   #9
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This is pretty heinous if true. Why someone would actively threaten a server admin running their mod (and thereby promoting its use) is beyond me.

Though technically, it would be pretty easy to do.


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Old 10-20-2002, 03:32 PM   #10
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Jediplus

Well if one of you guys can decompile it and see if there is a code in there, cause right now im not going to upload any of the jediplus mods to the site until

A) I hear from BOFH or the team making Jediplus
B) A coder that decompiles the mod and shows the proof, then I will give that information to ZeroXcape, Aris or one of them, and also give information over to FBI or whomever for Criminal charges and also give the information to Lucasarts.

This is just my morals I don't judge but I will listen to all parties and Chronos if you like you may email me at invader@darklordsofsith.com but I ask for proof not just leads. If you have logs stating BOFH said that please forward them to me.


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Old 10-20-2002, 07:57 PM   #11
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Quite interesting. I was thinking of getting 4.1, but now...


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Old 10-21-2002, 05:13 PM   #12
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Re: Jediplus

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Well if one of you guys can decompile it and see if there is a code in there, cause right now im not going to upload any of the jediplus mods to the site until

A) I hear from BOFH or the team making Jediplus
B) A coder that decompiles the mod and shows the proof, then I will give that information to ZeroXcape, Aris or one of them, and also give information over to FBI or whomever for Criminal charges and also give the information to Lucasarts.

This is just my morals I don't judge but I will listen to all parties and Chronos if you like you may email me at invader@darklordsofsith.com but I ask for proof not just leads. If you have logs stating BOFH said that please forward them to me.


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Old 10-21-2002, 05:39 PM   #13
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BOFH is in the USA,around New York i believe. And isnt that against some sort of TOS when uploading files to jkii.net? Hell,what about a TOS when making modifications to JK2?

Oh and Chrono,i've seen what your talking about before,on many occasions.
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Old 10-21-2002, 05:48 PM   #14
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So u all know he was reported and he is getting chased by the FBI internet dudes
so hes going in jail put a smile on all of u no more of his hacking ****


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Old 10-21-2002, 06:43 PM   #15
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This sounds, smells, and tastes bunk.

He *threatened* to take your *friend's* server down?

I'm afraid not - this is not illegal to join a server, say you are BOFH, and *threaten* - ...

This just sounds *bunk* to me. I wish someone would post some *proof* before *jumping* to *conclusions*

Enough *'s for you?

Good, I've had my fill.
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Old 10-21-2002, 07:31 PM   #16
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Well, well, well.....

This BOFH versus people war is getting very interesting....
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Old 10-21-2002, 10:48 PM   #17
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You know, I've started to find it interesting that the only people defending BOFH with such tasteless defense have less than 10 posts...

It probably wouldn't have anything to with recent turns of events would it?




Nah....of course not! Why would someone come in and start defending BOFH all of a sudden, and with such a poor defense?

Sorry, this ain't bunk my friend. This is based off of what he himself said. I have nothing personal against BOFH other than the fact that he uses this mod for personal gain.


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Old 10-21-2002, 11:24 PM   #18
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Right now I am not taking sides. As of right now it is a my word vs. your word kind of arguments. Neither side has hard proof. BOHF can't prove that he didn't and everyone else can't prove that he did. So right now I am staying neutral.


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Old 10-21-2002, 11:32 PM   #19
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I fail to see how asking for proof is an insane request.

If 'he himself' said it- I'd like to see some proof that he said it, is all.

As for my post count, just because someone doesn't post inane comments about EVERYTHING, doesn't render my commentary inneffective - sometimes people who say little - like Sherlock Holmes, for instance - are the people who understand the situation best.

I'm not Sherlock Holmes, and I don't know a thing about the situation, but, if it were me, and I was being falsely accused, I would hope someone would ask for proof.

If he is not falsely accused, it's simply a matter of providing proof that he has done something wrong - has he taken anyone's server down yet?

Even if he had included code that enabled him to have admin access to a server running JO, it would only be a crime if he had accessed this feature.

Simply walking up to the liquor store with the intent to rob it, does not mean you have robbed it.

If he has 'in fact' robbed the proverbial liquor store, then prooooove it.

I don't want to hear 'my friend was threatened by someone claiming to have programmed the mod he was running on his server.'

Granted, it is scary enough not to download JediPlus, but, until proven true, it is *not* true.
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Old 10-22-2002, 03:46 AM   #20
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Erm

So, what was everyones favourite mod? I must have missed it!

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Old 10-22-2002, 05:02 AM   #21
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i don't say that often but LOL
he won't get any trouble for shutting down one or two servers. but if he has the power and the will to do so with every server jedmod is installed on, then he gets busted. game servers are nothing less important just because games are running on them. and messing up servers is a crime.
but no one would be that stupid after this which hunt here where every finger is pointed on him already.
boy this is so funny. i'm laughing my ass off here.
lets enjoy this thread before it gets closed too! (i realy feel sory for the moderator here, hehe)
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Old 10-22-2002, 08:17 AM   #22
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heh. This thread was posted on all three boards at the same time. The thread on the general editing forum being locked had nothing to do with this one being posted here.

Matter of fact, the thread on the general editing forum was locked because a few people started taking shots at BOFH totally unrelated to the fight I'm trying to keep going.


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Old 10-22-2002, 08:34 AM   #23
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man this thread is pointless its filled with crappy excusing posts since more people posted i say we close this thread and i think until we get a coder to open jediPLUS we shouldnt bash BOFH ok.


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Old 10-22-2002, 09:31 AM   #24
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Yawn. I don't really know BOFH, and JediPlus is only a so so mod.

When will somebody come and close this thread?
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Old 10-22-2002, 10:26 AM   #25
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yeah it's like watching tv and then there is a scandal because some totaly unimportant person did something totaly unimportant but the hosts are going nutts over it and you sit and think by yourself: why? why does that happen? its so trivial and stupid!
but the sad thing is that jediplus is running on many servers thus giving the probably evil author great power.
crono motte just wanted to make people dump this mod. which cant be bad. tho i would have much more reasons to do so than just the backdoor...
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Old 10-22-2002, 12:41 PM   #26
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Well, it's Chrono for one...and it's not "Motte", it's M.O.T. which stands for "Master of Time" ^_^.

And second, I don't want people to "dump" the mod, but I do want them to be aware that he pretty much has admin access to any server that is running it.

How can I give solid proof? Sorry, I can't. There is no possible way I can convince anyone. Screenshots? Easily edited. The only way to determine for sure is the source code...oh wait, that's easily edited too...


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Old 10-22-2002, 01:16 PM   #27
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hehe just kidding dude O_o
but i want people to take down his mod. and replace it with ours! hhuhuhohohaha!
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Old 10-22-2002, 06:02 PM   #29
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Well, round one has been lost. As I suspected, BOFH's ability to harbor his source code (and edit it if need be) has given him all the proof he needs to 'win' the battle so to speak. EXiT has elected to keep all JediPLUS versions on the site until proven otherwise. Until someone decompiles that code and checks it out for that line I KNOW has to be in there somewhere, my argument has been thrown out as 'rumors and accusations blown out of proportion'.

How's that for fitting? An honest modder outdone by a lying sack of crap. Oh well. Can't say I didn't see it coming. Someone come by and lock this thread. I'm glad idiots like to see people like this get away with murder. So long as you are happy with the mod, so be it. You will get no further argument from me.

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why isnt this closed yet


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Old 10-23-2002, 02:30 AM   #31
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Wudan were you around when the Jedimod crissis was here?


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Old 10-23-2002, 08:35 AM   #32
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People keep mentioning decompiling the code. As far as I know, there's no tools for decompiling a qvm file. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.


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Old 10-23-2002, 08:54 AM   #33
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It's basicly that problem:

Jediplus and Bofh aren't worth the work a proof would cost...


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People keep mentioning decompiling the code. As far as I know, there's no tools for decompiling a qvm file. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
hehe you're wrong actually
qvm decompiler :

here it is however it doesn't work really well.
i can't decompile jk2 qvms ...
that sucks..
however the source is also included..

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hehe you're wrong actually
qvm decompiler :

here it is however it doesn't work really well.
i can't decompile jk2 qvms ...
that sucks..
however the source is also included..
What kind of results do you get with the decompile? It's got to be some pretty obfuscated looking stuff when it's done.


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well you have ASM in result .
(assembly)

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Wudan were you around when the Jedimod crissis was here?
I was around - yes, I'm 22, and unless Jedimod is older than that, yes, I was around.

But, no, nothing really scandalous ever blew my way - I've been editting JO since late April.

I wasn't around HERE (which is why the low post count)

But, oh well. I'm going to be here, I've been at massassi, but all there is there nowadays is a bunch of old dinosaurs pimping out the old JK engine, and defending it. I just almost vomit when somebody defends an old, nasty engine.
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What kind of results do you get with the decompile? It's got to be some pretty obfuscated looking stuff when it's done.
Just wondering,but what the heck is obfuscated lol?
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in other words, you'd have to speak assembly to understand most of it.


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speak ?
maybe to understand and be able to read it will be enought...

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