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Old 06-13-2003, 11:35 PM   #1
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Qui Gon . . .

Does anyone really know the reason for Qui Gon not becoming a ghost? (Apart from the fact that Neeson wouldn't come back). There could be many reasons, for example Qui Gon didn't follow the code, he believed in using ur feelings rather than mind, which is why he wasn't on the council, this could have been a reason but then you have the fact that Anakin became a ghost, and he hardly followed the code now did he. Or maybe a jedi can only come back as a ghost if they really want to or if they have a reason, just like Obi Wan came back to help Luke . . . . Anyone else have any ideas why Qui Gon didn't come back as a ghost?
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Old 06-14-2003, 12:07 AM   #3
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They’re a few theories, but my favourite is…
Acceptance of death
both yoda and obi (and anakin as well) knew they were going to die and therefore accepted their fate and were able to pass into the spirit world... or something along those lines
now this theory will be blown apart if qui-gon shows up in Ep III. which is likely as he was supposed to be in ep II but had a motorbike crash.
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Old 06-14-2003, 04:49 AM   #4
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The motorbike crash wasn't so serious that they couldn't have done pickup shoots closer to the release date of Episode 2.

Fact was, they just didn't need Liam to appear physically. They were going to have him record some old lines, but they went with a clip of him yelling from Episode 1.

I do like the acceptance of death theory, though it doesn't explain how Yoda heard Qui-Gon in Episode 2, nor how we'll likely see him in Episode 3 (Lucas has said we will find out why multiple times, and has hinted it's got something to do with Qui-Gon).

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Old 06-14-2003, 11:22 PM   #5
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haha, nice idea but. who said he's not a ghost? remember that Obi-Wan died on ep IV, in that same movie we hear is voice. Only in episode V we see him like a ghost.
Now Qui-gon died in ep I, we hear hin in Ep II (aldo he was supposed to appear).
So you can't say he's not a ghost until ep III in 2005.

If you where talking about "why did not dissapear", well that's other thing.
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Old 06-17-2003, 12:18 AM   #6
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I doubt we will see him as a Ghost now, from what I heard he was never going to be in Episode II, after Episode I Liam Neeson said he didn't want to do anymore, although he did record the whole "Anakin, Anakin" thing for Episode II. It would be nice to see Qui Gon as a ghost, but that wouldn't explain how anakin still turned to evil even after seeing his former master

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Old 06-17-2003, 04:00 PM   #7
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They’re a few theories, but my favourite is…
Acceptance of death
both yoda and obi (and anakin as well) knew they were going to die and therefore accepted their fate and were able to pass into the spirit world... or something along those lines
now this theory will be blown apart if qui-gon shows up in Ep III. which is likely as he was supposed to be in ep II but had a motorbike crash.
But it took a long time for Qui-Gon to die, and he could well accept death at that time. And he did too, otherwise he would not say that "it's too late" and tell Obi-Wan to train Anakin.

And it can't be that he didn't follow the code either. The fallen Jedi at the arena in ep2 doesn't disappear either.

And the fact that you may see Qui-Gon in ep3 doesn't mean that you'll get to see him as a ghost. It might as well be as a holographic image form an old recording.

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after Episode I Liam Neeson said he didn't want to do anymore, although he did record the whole "Anakin, Anakin" thing for Episode II.
I'm pretty sure they used the "Anakin!" from the "Anakin, drop!" in ep1. At least they sound very similar to each other.


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Old 06-17-2003, 05:01 PM   #8
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Neeson said that he went back to record "Anakin, Anakin" I first thought they just used the episode I speech. Also maybe a jedi needs to wants to become a ghost. Whatever the reason I'm sure we'll find out in episode III.
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Old 06-29-2003, 06:54 PM   #9
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But Lucas (or Burtt, can't remember) in the Episode 2 DVD said that they ended up using a line from Episode 1, and that Neeson did NOT record anything new for Episode 2.

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Old 06-30-2003, 11:43 AM   #10
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But Lucas (or Burtt, can't remember) in the Episode 2 DVD said that they ended up using a line from Episode 1, and that Neeson did NOT record anything new for Episode 2.
Thats funny, on my DVD it says that Neeson DID go back to record that line.
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Old 06-30-2003, 05:51 PM   #11
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This is completely a guess but maybe they come back to help guide someone. Cause Yoda appears, he was helping luke, Obi, he was also helping luke. But as Qui gon handed anakin over to obi he didnt need to help anyone. But that doesnt explain anakin coming back in the ep6. Oh well.
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Old 07-01-2003, 07:12 AM   #12
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With the Star Wars series...you can never really know anything at anytime -- too many secrets...which make speculation fun.


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Old 07-01-2003, 12:23 PM   #13
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it would be nice to see his ghost, but i dont think we will see him in episode 3.


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Old 07-12-2003, 05:44 AM   #14
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Thats funny, on my DVD it says that Neeson DID go back to record that line.
Where?

I just watched mine again, and ole' GL says very clearly, "We ended up using a line from Episode 1."

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Old 07-12-2003, 05:55 AM   #15
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Thats funny, on my DVD it says that Neeson DID go back to record that line.
you misheard it... they used his old recordings...



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Old 07-12-2003, 04:20 PM   #16
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Hmmm I'll watch it again later, if two of you say so I must have misheard it....
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Old 09-30-2003, 03:26 AM   #17
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Hi guys, this is my first time getting involved in this star wars community, so please bear with me

When do we hear Qui-Gon's voice in EpII?

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Old 10-01-2003, 01:52 AM   #18
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When do we hear Qui-Gon's voice in EpII?
when anakin is slaughtering all the tusken raiders
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Old 10-01-2003, 12:49 PM   #19
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... well, just after he slaughters them and it cuts to Yoda meditating. Listen carefully and you can hear Qui say "No Anakin NO", and what sounds like Vaders heavy breathing too.


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Old 10-01-2003, 05:07 PM   #20
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When Qui Gon is killed, he doesn't disappear does he?

As far as I know, when a Jedi 'becomes one with the force' his body disappears.
Obi Wan did, Yoda did and Anakin did apparently(the armour that you see burning at the end of Ep6 is empty)

If he doesn't disappear then perhaps he didn't become one with the force.

Alternatively, if he did, perhaps he felt no urgent need to show himself(as a ghost)

Ben comes back as a ghost or voice to guide Luke, who really needs it.
Then the three come back at the end to reassure Luke that he had saved his father and perhaps give him the confidence to go on to his even greater task(re-establishing the Jedi)

But Qui Gon would only have come back to guide Ben, who didn't have as larger problems as Luke did.
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Old 10-02-2003, 01:11 AM   #21
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Thinking back to the Original Trilogy, Obi-Wan only appeared to Luke as a spirit when Luke was either very close to death (Hoth) or after he had trained with Yoda and gained a little more knowledge of the Force (just befoire leaving Dagobah). Whether or not a ghost appears to someone seems to depend on the state of the person they're communicating with. Luke is dying on Dagobah, and so he's got one foot in death's door, so to speak, perhaps putting him that much closer to Ben and allowing Ben to speak to him. Maybe Qui-Gon didn't appear to Anakin because Anakin's subjective state was prohibitave; in other words, maybe his rage was pushing Qui-Gon away so that he could only yell from the other side.


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Old 10-02-2003, 11:41 AM   #22
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Well, I think GL intended to have Qui-Gon appear to Anakin, but the circumstances prevented it, i.e: Liam Neeson being in a motorbike crash. Therefore he decided to just use his voice instead. I imagine we will see him in ghost form in Ep3.


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Old 10-02-2003, 11:59 AM   #23
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Well, I think GL intended to have Qui-Gon appear to Anakin, but the circumstances prevented it, i.e: Liam Neeson being in a motorbike crash. Therefore he decided to just use his voice instead. I imagine we will see him in ghost form in Ep3.
thats what i heard too.
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Old 10-07-2003, 01:36 PM   #24
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yeah that is what i heard to but i don't know




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Old 10-08-2003, 08:52 PM   #25
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I don't know if you all will object to me bringing some EU into the whole deal, but in Dark Force Rising, Luke speculates that a Jedi might come back as a ghost by attaching themself to another Jedi. He suggests that Obi Wan might have done that to him.


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Old 10-09-2003, 06:20 AM   #26
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Er .. here's a stupid question that I'd like answered if possible ... we all know who Luke's daddy is, but who's Anakin's daddy/Luke's grandpa? Is it Qui-Gon? If not ... then who?
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Old 10-09-2003, 08:22 AM   #27
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Qui Gon asked Anakin's mother who his father was in Episode 1. She answered that there was no father and that she couldn't explain it. Qui Gon then theorized that it was the force itself/midichlorians (immaculate conception) that got his mother pregnant. Therefore, as far as we know for now, Anakin's father is The Force.


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Old 10-09-2003, 10:14 AM   #28
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Thanks, leXX, for clearing that one up. I never understood that part of E1. I always knew that the Force kissed the girls and made em' cry lol.
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Qui Gon then theorized that it was the force itself/midichlorians (immaculate conception) that got his mother pregnant.
[catholicapologistmode]The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary being conceived in her mother's womb without sin so that she would be worthy to carry God's Son through to term. Mary became the Holy of Holies personified, so she had to have a blemishless soul. The Immaculate Conception does not refer to Jesus' verginal conception.[/catholicapologistmode]


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Old 10-09-2003, 05:18 PM   #31
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I thought it was a bit risky to go with the virgin birth idea, but no religious leaders seemed to say anything. And if they did, no-one listened :P
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Perhaps religious leaders are fans of Star Wars as well lol.
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I thought it was a bit risky to go with the virgin birth idea, but no religious leaders seemed to say anything. And if they did, no-one listened :P
Well, both Heracles and Perseus were conceived by human women through Zeus. Anakin's being conceived through the Star Wars galaxy's prominent diety doesn't have to be a strictly Christian reference.


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Do you expect Christians to go around insulting legends from before their virgin birth story even existed?

And besides, Zeus came down in animal form. (making love to women as swans)

Let's get off of the religious talk, because that's how topics often degrade.
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And besides, Zeus came down in animal form. (making love to women as swans)
Zeus didn't only come to women in form forms of animals; he came to Danaë in the form of a shower of gold. I mean, I'm sure Danaë thought "hey, it's raining gold in my room and I'm getting off on it, it must be a god," but she probably couldn't have explained what happened or who the father was with much surety.

To further contrast Mary with Shmi, where as Shmi Skywalker said, "there was no father... I can't explain what happened..." the Gospel of Luke tells us that an Angel named Gabriel told Mary exactly who the father of her child would be and how it would happen: "The holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. Therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God." (Luke 1:35a)

There are similarities as far as the virgin birth, but the differences are also pronounced.

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Let's get off of the religious talk, because that's how topics often degrade.
Star Wars is drenched in religious--or at least spiritual--symbolism and themes. To avoid talking about religion in a Star Wars discussion is to avoid something that may give us insight into the story Lucas has created.

In Lucas' own words, talking about the Force: "I wanted a concept of religion based on the premise that there is a God and there is good and evil..."


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Obviously Lucas may have intentionally or subconsciously made points about specific religions in the films, but unless he admits to it, we shouldn't mention specific religions.
Ideas are fine, but talk about religions and you might insult someone.
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I got to wonder how we went from talking about Qui-Gon, to talking about Zeus making love to human females in the form of a swan ... lol
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