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Old 11-15-2003, 12:03 AM   #1
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Confession Time :/

Well, everyone knows me from the Swamp, mostly. Been here for a long time. Those who know me, trust me. I get along with everyone, help people out, and am the general nice guy. Anything people tell me, stays with me. People know they can pour their heart out to me and I'll always be there for them.

I also have standards and morals, yet I'm open to most. Example is homosexuality. I'm against it, but if someone is gay, it doesnt mean I hate them. In fact, I have a few gay friends online just because they say I'm the only person who really accepts them and is willing to listen and help....even though I think what they do is a sin.

People in real life love me as well, and everything is great....or so it seems.

However....no one is perfect, and I do have a flaw, somewhat of a dark side that no one really knows about. However...I really like you guys, and I think it's time to let it out.

I'm, unfortunatly to my own belief... somewhat bi-sexual. When I was younger (very young age), I did have contact with another, but I was really too young to fully understand. I now know it was wrong, and I havn't since...but it's too late. I'll fight it till the day I die, but I am first of all, very attracted to women, of coarse, but at the same time, I am sometimes attracted to a few of my own kind as well. It drives me crazy, and I just don't understand why. There's just sometimes (very rarely) someone that I just feel as if I would really feel accepted and happy with that person. It's rare, but it is there. However, I'd never give in, but I must admit I DO have those feelings in me.

Again, I think it's wrong, so you can see the conflict inside of me. I'm not "bi"....but my feelings say I am. Although I wouldn't go into the activities of it....inside me I have that attraction.

Now don't worry, I'm not some flamer or even act gay in real life at all. People would simply be shocked if they found out. If you met me, I'm like a normal person. I just have feelings deep inside, but I fight them.

I really don't want to lose respect from anyone, because I am to some the model of a "good person", but this is something that I've been dealing with for the past.....man, who knows how long it has been.

I'm the same guy you've always known....but now you know my secret....my flaw.

God forgive me.


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Old 11-15-2003, 01:04 AM   #2
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If they're your own feelings, and they dont hurt anyone else, why try to hide it? It's pretty natural to think of the same gender in another way, everyone has done it(right..?*looks around*) at one time or another.

I fail to see how having homosexual thoughts and feelings would suddenly make you less of a good person(if I am reading your post right). People try to hide homosexuality in the closet, and that is no more better than trying to hide your anger and frustration, if not worse.

Anyone who decides to stop being your friend or hates you because of that, is really petty of them. Also, it seems that you really are trying to be normal, instead of being yourself.

Anyway, just dont kill yourself over it. If God really loves everyone, then why would he hate you for being bi? It's not even one of the seven sins(although, it could fall under Lust in a way).

(Just so you know, I'm heterosexual. But I have had bisexual thoughts every now and then.)



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Old 11-15-2003, 01:24 AM   #3
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God doesn't hate me, but it's still wrong in His eyes.

and I did nearly kill myself over it...closest friend I had (over 6 years) hates my guts now that he knows.

yes it's my own feelings, but most people are homophobic. If they were to know, they'd be afraid of me and what I was thinking, although it wouldnt be like that from my viewpoint at all. Like I said, I dont want them comparing me to some full outblown flamer, when im not. If someone says they are gay/bi whatever...that's normally the first thing people think, having boyfriends and stuff. I'm not even close to being like that.

Like I said, if you were to meet me, you'd be suprised hearing that I have those feelings. But if I just outright say I have those feelings, people who dont know me would outright think of pure 100% "gay/bi"

know what im saying?

It's hard for me, dealing with this, because I do believe it's wrong...and yet...I have those feelings.


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Old 11-15-2003, 07:23 AM   #4
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I don't think of you less. I have 3 bi friends and 2 gay friends. So I don't think less of you. I have been in the mall and at times, seen a guy and been like, He's hot. I am %100 percent heterosexual, yet all men have at one time said or thought that.


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Old 11-15-2003, 07:37 AM   #5
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yeah, but not all men have "feelings" for other man :/


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Old 11-15-2003, 12:18 PM   #6
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None of us don't like you for this. You're still normal. I don't know you very well, being a n00b, but at least you didn't come blowing in here yelling "I-IM HOMOSEXUAL! I WON'T DO IT AGAIN! GODAMMIT, WHAT HAVE I DONE!!"

It seems to me that you're good at keeping your feelings under control, so I wouldn't worry.

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Old 11-15-2003, 01:09 PM   #7
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There's sometimes a big instance where you admire a person so much, that they begin to show a different light in your mind. Maybe you admire a guy so much that you find him attractive. Somtimes this happens to a lot of people, it's just your decision whether you act on this, or not.

I, myself, am not gay. Nor do i find any men attractive. But i can understand how confused you must be right now.


I don't think you've done anything wrong in the eyes of God. And I don't think it's a sin to find men attractive, but it is one to be gay. And to be gay, you must have had some kind of sexual contact with another man, which i don't think you've had. Correct me if im wrong here.

Another explination is that experimentation ALWAYS finds a way into a young persons life, whether it be sexually or drug related, or other. Im not sure how old you are, but this is an example.


Just remember, there's a difference between finding someone attractive, and acting on it.


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Old 11-15-2003, 01:34 PM   #8
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okay, lets get this out of f*cks way right now:
BEING GAY IS NOT WRONG

yes people, i am royally pissed by all people that view homosexuality as something that is wrong...get your head out of your butt and open up, don't such a retard

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yeah, but not all men have "feelings" for other man :/
WRONG!
EVERYONE has feeling for someone from the same gender at one time in thier life, wether it be a good friend, a movie star or just a random person down the lane.


please, god also doesn't view homosexuality as wrong, the church does, but the church also says you get aids from using condoms

NOW WHO THE HELL IS WRONG?
church is. church made up rules that suit them, not rules that god wanted. look around, people love eichother, doesn't have anything to do with gender, THAT are gods rules, otherwhise he would've created us differentelly.

homosexuality, or bisexuality is something natural, even other mamals have it. do they expell members that act in a homosexual way? no! why do men do that then? because men fails to respect other people.

wasn't that one of gods rules? respect eichother, no matter what you think of him?

ok, i'm gonna end me ranting now, i hope i have made some of you think, and especially you RP, even though you are from texas,
being gay is NOT a crime.

just on a sidenote, i concider myself heterosexual, though i have to admit that i think that hayden is really hot, especially in his new ep3 look



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Old 11-15-2003, 01:47 PM   #9
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yeah, but not all men have "feelings" for other man :/
And not all men can touch their toes. Sadly, I can't. But it doesnt make me a bad person. Just really unflexible. XD
Anyways, here is something very important for you to know:

God is a good God, he doesnt make someone feel a certain way without being able to HELP it for fun. Now, see, I don't think homosexuality is wrong, just the act of homosexuality, and if you've had an experience, its no different than masterbating eh?
And I'm actually having some problems pinning masterbation down and finding the truth about it, however....
God doesnt create people to sin without being able to stop themselves. You cant' stop feelings, so why get punished for them?

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okay, lets get this out of f*cks way right now:
[SIZE=10]EVERYONE has feeling for someone from the same gender at one time in thier life, wether it be a good friend, a movie star or just a random person down the lane.
*Shifts eyes and thinks of Sesshoumaru.*
Ok not real feelings, but he's a very pretty man. Not a REAL man, but pretty XD


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Old 11-15-2003, 01:51 PM   #10
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I agree with Kstar. My brother is gay, and my sister is lesbian, and nothing's wrong with them... I'm heterosexual and they are just as me...

You may always sense a disturbance - not in the Force - but with your emotions. It's normal, and I sugges, that you don't think of you being bi-sexual. Furthermore, I'm christian, and I believe, but I give a damn about the Catholic church's opinion of homo-sexuals! I love to be protestant!

What's wrong with homosexuals? I don't know!


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Old 11-15-2003, 02:03 PM   #11
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i have a friend who IS bisexual.

And here in Ottawa, he hasn't been teased or whatever for being Bi. People might be not as used to it because most people sorta expect only girls to be Bi. Its just one of those stereotypes everybody will hopefully get over with.

And I'm happy you accepted it. As soon as your truthfull to yourself and others, the earlier you'll be able to life you own life and enjoy it.


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Old 11-15-2003, 02:07 PM   #12
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being a christian, rp, this might interest you:

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You are not alone. Many people struggle just as you do. It is important to realize that God loves you deeply and does not condemn you for your same-sex feelings and temptations. But He is intensely interested in what you do with them. If you engage in homosexual relations or lust (willful fantasizing about such relations) God is deeply grieved and sets about in a variety of ways to turn you from such a destructive course. When homosexual thoughts arise in your mind, you must reject them and turn your mind to wholesome thoughts (Philippians 4:4-8). The Bible says, "No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it" (1 Corinthians 10:13). You must discipline your mind as an athlete disciplines his body.

God not only wants to protect you from homosexual behavior, but He wants to begin to meet the deep needs at the root of your same-sex desires. Apart from an occasional miracle, this psychological and spiritual healing which leads toward sexual wholeness does not happen quickly.
Source: Billy Graham Website

Dont worry about it man, Just ask god for help and guidence. Whenever i have a "bad thought" (just something i view as morally wrong) i just pray about it on the spot, and ask God to help me out with it. Normally after a few times its all fine. I also ask for forgivness, and admit that i am wrong, which im sure you have done. After that, as long as you dont do it again, its ok. God has forgiven you, and forgotten it. He doesnt hold it against you.


As for the thoughts, its not a sin (as far as i know) to say "that guys looks good" It is a sin however, to mentally act on those thoughts... I dont think i need to explain that.
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Old 11-15-2003, 03:33 PM   #13
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I worry for RPs sake at this point... not for his coming to terms with part of who he is, but rather the response he's going to receieve by the members of this forum.

Not that anyone will attack him, but they might just fuel his confusion and distress him more. Take the posts immediatley after his. Wholly supporting him, saying it's ok, nobody hates you for it, etc. And then LukeSkywalker1's post, saying that it's wrong and God doesn't like it and you should pray for forgiveness and for God to help you to change. (which he has a right to say and I'm not attacking him for doing so)

Each person expresses their own opinions, and that's ok. After all, this is the senate chamber. But I question whether or not this is the right situation, in which the discussion can (more than usually) exacerbate or fuel a persons confusion and pain, depending on where it goes... This discussion has potential to do more than simply stimulate thoughts.

That said, I will just say: RP, I dont think of you as less of a man for being (somewhat) bi and accepting it. I think of you as more of a man, not for who you are, but that you were able to accept it. Very admirable. Very praiseworthy.

I abstain from any comments on the basis of religion (which this discussion will inevitably turn to) for the reasons above.


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Old 11-15-2003, 05:20 PM   #14
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And then LukeSkywalker1's post, saying that it's wrong and God doesn't like it and you should pray for forgiveness and for God to help you to change. (which he has a right to say and I'm not attacking him for doing so)
yes and rp himself has said something simular... he even said that God viewed it as wrong... i was just trying to give advise to rp from a religious perspective.


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Dont worry about it man,
meaning: Im not hating him

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being a christian, rp,
meaning: hes a christian
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Old 11-15-2003, 05:28 PM   #15
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Read my post again, Luke. I'm not criticizing anybody here in this thread, I never said you were hating him, and I know he's a Christian.

I'm saying that the inevitable discussion and debate may do more harm than good.


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Old 11-15-2003, 05:36 PM   #16
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Thanks for the responses.

KBell, I have had sexual contact with another male, but I was very young at the time.

Kstar__2, The bible does say homosexuality is wrong. I don't care what a church says, because they are people and can make mistakes. I choose to study the scriptures rather than take someone's word for it.

lukeskywalker1, dont you DARE tell anyone you know about this (you know who I'm talking about. Trust me, they arn't mature enough to handle it)

but please don't turn this into a religious debate. I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe. Nuff said

I'm not really just saying I think a guy is good looking, that's natural for all, but I'm saying sometimes I actually develop strong feelings for them. Just something I gotta live with, I guess...but I am able to control those feelings. Such great torment.


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Old 11-15-2003, 06:13 PM   #17
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but please don't turn this into a religious debate. I believe what I believe. You believe what you believe. Nuff said
alright...

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lukeskywalker1, dont you DARE tell anyone you know about this (you know who I'm talking about. Trust me, they arn't mature enough to handle it)
No, they arent... its cool man.
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Old 11-15-2003, 06:16 PM   #18
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only passage that tells about homosexuality in the bible is the part where people from some city want to have sex with two male angels, and god punishes the city for not being open to strangers, NOT because they wanted to have sex with the two angels.

ls1, even though i respect you and your religion, i must say that i am dissapoined in what you just posted



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Old 11-15-2003, 06:48 PM   #19
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I believe that homosexuality is wrong. Do I hate what they are doing? No. Do I hate them as a person for being that way? No. As I said before, I am close friends with 3 Bi's and 2 gays One of them, I consider probably my best friend in the world. But do I accept what they do? No.

RP, if you did something when you were younger, it's ok. You were young. It doesn't count(at least to me). As long as you don't have images of someone of the same sex naked or anything like that, or actually do it, I don't care. I still don't care if you do. I just don't accept it. I know it, and all of my gay/bi friends know that.

Or it just could be some confusion. I think everyone has had a moment in his or her own life where they thought to themselves, "Am I gay?"

I don't think anyless of you for this, I think even more of you because you are admitting it


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Old 11-15-2003, 07:52 PM   #20
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You know, I think the one thing you're missing Rp is the difference between love and lust...

Do you really think it makes a difference in God's eyes who you love?

God looks down on sexual promiscuity whether it's heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, or hell--even asexual.

I don't think the important thing here is the sexual nature of the relationship... If you really, really care for someone, then I don't think it really makes a difference whether you're the same gender or not...

Because it's the emotion that's important, not the lust.

And Rp, any god that looks down on you for loving someone is no god you should worship.

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Old 11-15-2003, 08:58 PM   #21
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only passage that tells about homosexuality in the bible is the part where people from some city want to have sex with two male angels, and god punishes the city for not being open to strangers, NOT because they wanted to have sex with the two angels.

ls1, even though i respect you and your religion, i must say that i am dissapoined in what you just posted


Romans 1:26-27: "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."



not the only passage


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Old 11-15-2003, 11:57 PM   #22
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I see a lot of people saying they don't care about whether or not you have feelings about someone of the same sex but they do care if you engage have sexual intercourse.

Should what happens in one's bedroom be of your concern?

Who are we to judge if it's right or wrong what happens in their bedroom?


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Old 11-16-2003, 04:26 AM   #23
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apparently some US law makers feel it is part of thier duty to pry into people's life and even try to make it illegal. if they cant they'll go so low as calling names and saying its worst than beastiality.

dont listen to them.

Pierre Elliot Trudeau, a former Prime Minister of Canada, once said: the government has no affair in the bedroom of the nation.

Hold strong to those words. And if you want to. Take it to the extent that it is nobody's business to know what your doing inbetween the bed sheets.



BTW. I'm saying this as an Administrator: If anybody gives you hell. go right ahead and tell PM me.

And now I'm saying this as a "Christian", you shouldn't listen to the Pope. He's out of this time. I'm Christian. Apparently. On paper I'm Christian. And with the experiences of my life and the experiences of my friends I've learned that an old man in Italy has no rights to condem your lifestyle. In fact nobody has.

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Old 11-16-2003, 04:48 AM   #24
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Christian, in my books, isn't Catholic I really don't listen to anyone concerning religion unless they are from the Bible itself.

Eternity is something far too important to risk taking someone else's word for it



and thanks for the support...but I just don't know. I firmly believe it's wrong, as do all of my friends, and yet I'm haunted with it.


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Old 11-16-2003, 02:42 PM   #25
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Rp, what do you want us to say?

You and I both know that we can sing "homosexuality isn't bad" all day, but until your bible say otherwise, you are not going to listen to us - right?

This is a religious issue for you, not a moral one. I think you have to ask yourself if it's worth living in complete and utter denial of the blatantly obvious. It's not going to go away simply because you don't want to feel attracted to men. It will always be there, and you'll, as you say so yourself, be living in torment for the rest of your life. Is that a healthy attitude?

Do you follow the word of the Bible? Or the spirit?
Anyone on this earth claiming they do the first is a liar. People obeying the exact letter of the Bible without questioning it will find themselves be called hypocrites and ignorants - they have not understood a thing. They have not understood the underlining message of goodwill in the Bible, which I too believe is a wise one.

Rp, if you do believe in the Bible, you're running the risk of digging your own spiritual grave here - how can you love others if you cannot love yourself? This is not about just keeping lustful thoughts to a certain minimum - loving God is not about quantity of acts or good thoughts. Do you think there is some sort of quota for "impure thoughts towards other men"? That if you breach this, you're going to hell? Heaven and hell are not some obscure bureaucracies with paragraphs and formulas we don't know. Heaven and hell is right here, in people. From what I gathered, it's about loving people unconditionally, and resenting yourself is not going to help.


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Old 11-16-2003, 05:03 PM   #26
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No, I don't believe there is a quota. I've accepted Christ, and that's what matters. I just tend to have loyalty inside me and try to do the right thing. I've just always been taught growing up homosexuality is wrong.

Get what I'm saying? It isn't just the Bible, but also personal beliefs inside from being taught a certain way.



However, I really appeciate the positive responses. When some friends of mine found out, well....let's just say they wish I would kill myself, and they've tried talking me into it. Some friends... they'll have nothing to do with me....so I wasn't quite sure the responses I'd get here, but I felt I could trust you guys. Have made a few friends here at LF

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Makes me furious to think that there are such people out there that would react to your decision by breaking relations with you and encouraging you to kill yourself..... Disgusting.

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Get what I'm saying? It isn't just the Bible, but also personal beliefs inside from being taught a certain way.
I guess it's time to reevaluate these personal beliefs. You can do it. We all do, at some point in time in our lives.


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Old 11-19-2003, 10:20 AM   #28
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Christian, in my books, isn't Catholic I really don't listen to anyone concerning religion unless they are from the Bible itself.
I strongly disagree, but I'm sure you meant no offense. Since it's off topic I won't launch into a big debate about the Christian-ness of Catholicism.

Anyway, on to my main response to this thread:

In my belief system it's not so much non-heterosexuality itself that is wrong (if indeed you accept that it's something "natural" whoever you may desire to be different), but rather if you abuse it.

Sexuality itself is a gift, but anybody can abuse it through choice or weakness. The fact is, some people commit rape, abandon or abuse their children, have abortions, break people's hearts, spread STD's, etc. You don't have to be homosexual or bisexual to commit sexual sins. And some people are naturally attracted to children. But as long as they don't give in to their "natural" desires, they are not doing anything wrong. Are they?

Sex is an adult activity that requires responsiblity. Like driving and other adult activities there are probably a lot of people out there that we'd all be better off if they DIDN'T engage in it, since they can't handle it. Others can handle it just fine and they don't hurt themselves or anyone else, because they are mature and responsible.

You of course may not believe as I do. Nature only goes so far, you have to decide how to live your life, what to do with your strengths and weaknesses.

Nobody said life would be easy or that we'd never make mistakes. I suggest talking to people you trust who may have the same "problems" you do. Remember though that they're only human.. people like you struggling with life and trying to figure things out.

Just don't give up, it's a cliche, but the fact is you can adapt, grow, live through it, with enough strength of will and perserverance (but it helps to have people listen and give advice now and then).

Having "purity of thought" is an ideal that we can strive for. The fact of the matter is, this is one of the hardest things and most if not all people I'm sure fall short of perfection. Yet, it's still something that can be desirable to guide right action. Actions I believe are more important than thoughts, but of course thoughts influence actions. But controlling ourselves and taking responsiblity are lifelong processes, not something we are born with.


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Old 11-19-2003, 04:27 PM   #29
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Sorry, Kurgan. Let me re-phrase real quick.

A "Christian" to me is someone who has accepted Christ as their saviour and believes in the Word of God in and out.


A lot of people's definition of a christian is a catholic. I was saying that wasn't my definition of a Christian when it comes to me. I was stating that I'm a Christian, but explaining what I meant by being a Christian.


and it's true that Catholics can become a Christian by my definition. I was just explaining what I meant when I said I was one.


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Old 11-20-2003, 05:18 AM   #30
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Okey, here goes.

Kain = 100% Heterosexual, 0% Homophobe.
What Kain thinks about RP = Cool guy, and nothing is gonna change that.

I don't find anything about other men attractive (Hell, I hate my own male body. So ugly and hairy, ugh. Thats just me).

The only gay guy who has ever gotten on my nerves about being gay is the guy who tried gettin my girlfriend to break up with me so I'd go out with him (one of my ex's implanted the idea in his head that I was Bi...bitch)

Well, the whole Bible up in arms against Homosexuals is kinda...questionable. Its been way too altered over the past 2000 years(reading a translation is basically like reading a 12 year olds book report on the subject, if you catch my drift).

Anyone who thinks homosexuals are bad, evil, or whatever need to be dragged out into the street and beaten by the people they hate so much.
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Old 11-20-2003, 08:15 PM   #31
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Not wanting to offend anyone, but the bible is 2000 years old based on values that are even older...

Maybe it's time for someone to write a passage in the bible that says being gay is not wrong.

Can people do that?

I'm sorry, I'm not christian so I don't really know...


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That's like saying the Qoran is too old to be trusted by Muslims, it's time to be changed.
In the last verse of Revelation, it openly condemns anyone who dares to add, remove, or change anything in the bible. And it's not "based on old values". This isn't a man-made book. It's God's word. Evertything in there is exactly what God said, and God still exists now, right? So it's not at all "old".

I don't want to make this into a flame war, but being gay IS a crime. Intentionally, it is. But rp, he is not doing it intentionally, with himself in mind. Not at all. Therefore, I would say his consciense is clean.

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Actually, that particular passage of revelations is referring to the book of revelations itself. These books/letters were written independently, for the most part, and so generally when they refer to themselves, it's that particular book.

So I dont suppose there is any real reason why another book couldn't pop up, except the Church would openly condemn it and nobody would take it seriously, despite it likely having just as much authenticity as(if not more than) the old bible.


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Old 11-20-2003, 09:14 PM   #34
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I'm not saying it's too old or anything. Somethings requires an update to modern time. Religion ain't attracting a lot of newer disciples mainly because people think it's not up-to-date with the people of today...


I'm going to take a Buddhist example. Buddha openly said not to be blinded by only what he says but instead try to explore his saying and go further so that the philosophy is always updated.


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Old 11-20-2003, 10:35 PM   #35
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That's like saying the Qoran is too old to be trusted by Muslims, it's time to be changed.
In the last verse of Revelation, it openly condemns anyone who dares to add, remove, or change anything in the bible. And it's not "based on old values". This isn't a man-made book. It's God's word. Evertything in there is exactly what God said, and God still exists now, right? So it's not at all "old".
The bible is essentially playing telephone between God and the four people who wrote the Bible. Someone is bound to get an important detail wrong, if just for the fact they're human. If god created the bible, he'd just make the bible by himself.

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I don't want to make this into a flame war, but being gay IS a crime. Intentionally, it is. But rp, he is not doing it intentionally, with himself in mind. Not at all. Therefore, I would say his consciense is clean.
Crime in the real world, or a crime according to the bible. If you mean a crime in the real world, then you are pretty far from the truth. Probably about half the states in the US lets homosexuality be allowed.



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(Hell, I hate my own male body. So ugly and hairy, ugh. Thats just me).
Me too..... I'm actually suprised that all females aren't lesbians.

But RP, your like what, 19, 20, 21? Your still pretty young, and you might still be going through ouberty (Puberty lasts forever >_<) But your at the part where it desn't mess with your body, but with your mind. So, do what you want, only ignorant people will think of you differently, but you shouldn't listen to those people. So in the end, the choice is yours Rp. Follow your heart.


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Crime in the real world, or a crime according to the bible. If you mean a crime in the real world, then you are pretty far from the truth. Probably about half the states in the US lets homosexuality be allowed. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well there's still a lot of states who have outlawed homosexuality...still too many.


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Crime in the real world, or a crime according to the bible. If you mean a crime in the real world, then you are pretty far from the truth. Probably about half the states in the US lets homosexuality be allowed.
Well there's still a lot of states who have outlawed homosexuality...still too many. [/B][/QUOTE]

I may be wrong, but I think Mass is the first state to allow Gay marriages. I may be wrong, I wasn't even sure if they were legal until today, but I guess they are now.....


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RP. You're not alone in your feelings.


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37 states are against homosexuality, i dont know what the rest are doing, nuetral, for it, staying out of it (if you can do that) or just undecided, i know massachusuettes (spelling) is for it...

Also, Christianity is still as valid as it was 2000 years ago. The bible still applies today. Sure, it might refer to some ancient items, or things that dont exist today, but i assure you, the things that are written are true, and the moral is also relevant right now, in our lives.

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The bible is essentially playing telephone between God and the four people who wrote the Bible. Someone is bound to get an important detail wrong, if just for the fact they're human. If god created the bible, he'd just make the bible by himself.
The bible says somwhere that its God's word.
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