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Old 07-04-2003, 03:58 PM   #41
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Wow, this is filled with things to pick apart.

Foremost, I was abusing their case for argument, not arguing my case.

That we are created in his image and ate of the Tree of Knowledge is clearly stated; it's actually one of the centerpoints in Christianity, original sin.

If we know squat about God, then the Word of the bible is not to be trusted, yes?

I had to create the Universe for the divine to giving a toss about my thoughts? So, does or doesn't God judge on us our thoughts as well as our actions? Is speaking with God futile?

I'm sure the Christians will have a field day about this, thanks Murphy
Yeah but I don't believe in Christianity as do many others so your tree of knowledge crap is up to debate. I personally believe in the theory of evolution and what Iranaeus stated we were born imperfect. (The irony he's a Christian I am aware of)

Yes the Bible isn't to be trusted because we don't know sqat about God, the Bible should be known as the book of contradictions not the book of Revelations.

No, but I doubt God would let you influence him because you're well insiginificant in comparrison to God, I have never heard of anything so ludicrous I'll influence God of the error of God's ways.

Speaking with God (if you believe you're doing that) isn't futile but you believing you can reason with him and influence him is.

I doubt the Christians will have a field day with this because what I havce stated basically means that God can exist without religion, if anything they'll have a wet weekend with it.
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I'm bashing you for your naïve weakness.
Which proves you are bashing. Don't. It's against the rules. I have NEVER told you that you are stupid, I have NEVER announced you will burn in hell, I have NEVER insulted your mother. I have done NOTHING to you. I believe in the Bible. That gives you the right to call me naive and weak? I believe the answer I am looking for is "no."

Now, if I see you calling anyone else weak or naive on these boards I'll ban you quicker then you can say "sorry." I do NOT Put up with ANY name calling on these boards for ANY reason. Got it, top cop?




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Old 07-04-2003, 04:05 PM   #43
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The title of this thread was Why is it OK to bash Christianity?

The originator of the thread stated "I'd like to try and keep things rational in this post, if you would please..."

Moreover, the Senate Chambers is a place for serious discussion and reasoned debate.

Please note some of the following quotes of some randomly selected posts within this thread:

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"His followers are ignorant, naïve sheep and by far the most of these are hypocritical, arrogant buffoons like those representing themselves in this thread."

"I cannot bring myself to discuss this rationally for my loathing is too great."

"don't you dare mock me for being a christian."

"If you are carrying a cross and step to a foe with it and hit him with it, then you are not longer carrying a cross. YOU CARRY A WEAPON."

"In your view homosexuals get bashed they should deal with it. Blacks get bashed they should deal with it. You are a true hypocrite."

" religion particularly Christianity is despicable, their incompassionate inflexibility is despicable."

"I suppose I'm to be intimidated and humbled by your delusional 'righteous wrath', yes? I don't know how smart you are, but I have a pretty good idea of how smart you aren't."

"MAN! Righ now I am too angry to type a decent responce without getting banned"
There is little rationale coming through in these words.

If even some of these comments are serious....

Regardless, these are evidence of a lack of "reasoned debate."

Those of you that know me, know that I have been critical of christianity in the past, and will likely be so in the future. But there's a difference between "critical" and offensive.

Several comments made broad generalizations about christianity such as citing the number of people who were killed or died for the faith. This is instantly an invalid argument, since homicide, murder, suicide, war, genocide, etc. has occured independently from christianity and extensively throughout history. It could more easily be argued that this is a human construct and not a christian one.

I use that as but one example of both how to present a reasoned argument and how there is an irrational bias being presented in this thread.

Now to the good part: Clean it up or don't post here. Disregard that and I'll lock the thread.

It bothers me to see a conversation get to the point where people state that they're leaving the forum. It is a sign of others stirring sh*t up just to create a pointless argument.

Many of the arguments that came across offensively didn't have to be so. Support your argument with a bit of observation... don't just state "religion[,] particularly Christianity[,] is despicable, [it's] incompassionate inflexibility is despicable."

Give us an idea why you think so. Then give the other side of the argument an opportunity to respond appropriately.


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What makes you think a mere Super Moderator will stop Jubatus? I mean he thinks he can influence God.
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Old 07-04-2003, 04:14 PM   #46
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I'm bashing you for your naïve weakness.
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Which proves you are bashing. Don't. It's against the rules. I have NEVER told you that you are stupid, I have NEVER announced you will burn in hell, I have NEVER insulted your mother. I have done NOTHING to you. I believe in the Bible. That gives you the right to call me naive and weak? I believe the answer I am looking for is "no."

Now, if I see you calling anyone else weak or naive on these boards I'll ban you quicker then you can say "sorry." I do NOT Put up with ANY name calling on these boards for ANY reason. Got it, top cop?


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Old 07-04-2003, 05:06 PM   #47
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Just getting home from work and seeing this thread in a raging inferno is sad, to say the least.

I'll second Skin's warning and state that if I see anymore thoughtless, sweeping "carpetbombing" generalizations, I too, will lock the thread.

Now, there's a difference between bashing the Christian, and bashing Christianity. There are countless "remixes" of Christianity and some of those organizations have indeed done foul deeds. The question is whether we should proclaim Catholocism guilty for all the murders - or the Popes who commanded them to be done in Catholocism's name. If we say that Catholocism (or any other Christian sect) is a military organization with its priests the commanding officers, the common people regular soldiers, and the Pope being the 5 starred general, who is to blame? Surely all the "privates" are just following orders from higher up and "going by the book" (excuse the pun) - but still, there are times when it comes to disobey direct orders because it's trying to screw up the inner moral compass.

When the book's commands are conflicting, one should look at the higher message.

1) The Bible tells us to love each other unconditionally.
2) The Bible tells us to kill gay people.

What now? Think for yourself - which of these is more important to you? And no, I'm not gonna believe for a second that someone in here will state that the latter is. The book is full of these contradictions, and each and all must struggle to decode the bigger message. Mix and match to find the right combination that's in harmony with our heart.

I'll tell you what I believe. I believe that part of the Bible was written by loving, kind people who wanted to send a message to unite everyone on earth. You could say they were inspired from above, but the fundamental idea is that they were compassionate individuals who wanted to make a change for the better. But that's not the whole Bible. Parts of the Bible were written by f*cktards who wanted to justify their actions by claiming divine inspiration - these were not caring people, but selfish *******s who wrote what they wrote because they wanted to exploit people's goodwill and gullibility. It is important to see the whole picture, to know what was written - it is important to filter out all the harmful parts of the Bible.

Take a step back and look at the Bible again. Do you honestly think someone was inspired when he wrote all the sh*t about homosexuals? Do you honestly think that is God's message?

Why would a common man write stuff like that? Maybe he had a need to ridicule gays or hold them in contempt. Maybe he wanted to alienate those that were different from him, and in the minority? Whatever the reasons, it just doesn't jive well with what Jesus tells us to do, does it? Make of it what you will, but I know a bigot when I see one. Unnatural? Why? Would God care if his people loved their own sex - as long as they loved each other?

It's the same when people get all riled up over whether creationism or evolution is to be believed, or whether it is okay to have sex before marriage. All these people are missing the greater message, the bigger picture of the bible - love your fellow Man like you would be loved yourself. Christians killing abortion doctors are completely and utterly misguided - they have so lost connection to the centrol, most important message of Christianity that they've taken to abusing the Bible. They're in the dark, hitting everyone with a Bible whose flashlight doesn't give off the same colour as their own.

While those people have lost touch with the meaning of cooperation, I know we haven't. Now chill, and love each other.


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Old 07-04-2003, 06:01 PM   #48
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Yeah but I don't believe in Christianity as do many others so your tree of knowledge crap is up to debate. I personally believe in the theory of evolution and what Iranaeus stated we were born imperfect. (The irony he's a Christian I am aware of)

Yes the Bible isn't to be trusted because we don't know sqat about God, the Bible should be known as the book of contradictions not the book of Revelations.

No, but I doubt God would let you influence him because you're well insiginificant in comparrison to God, I have never heard of anything so ludicrous I'll influence God of the error of God's ways.

Speaking with God (if you believe you're doing that) isn't futile but you believing you can reason with him and influence him is.

I doubt the Christians will have a field day with this because what I havce stated basically means that God can exist without religion, if anything they'll have a wet weekend with it.
You speak as if I believe in God and Christianity; I don't. And I do as you believe that reasoning with God (if he existed) is pretty futile hence the second part of my original sentence thereof.


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Old 07-04-2003, 06:10 PM   #49
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Which proves you are bashing. Don't. It's against the rules. I have NEVER told you that you are stupid, I have NEVER announced you will burn in hell, I have NEVER insulted your mother. I have done NOTHING to you. I believe in the Bible. That gives you the right to call me naive and weak? I believe the answer I am looking for is "no."
Your beliefs and statements of oppinion offend me, yet I do not threaten you with banishment.

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...I do NOT Put up with ANY name calling on these boards for ANY reason. Got it, top cop?
I hope you can see what I want to point out here. Look closely.


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anyways. don't bash individuals jubatus.
How presumptuous.


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Your beliefs and statements of oppinion offend me, yet I do not threaten you with banishment.



I hope you can see what I want to point out here. Look closely.
Yeah but you called him names ITS AGAINST THE RULES!!!


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Old 07-04-2003, 09:46 PM   #52
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Yeah but you called him names ITS AGAINST THE RULES!!!
The rules are flawed.

EDIT: Actually I need to rephrase that. My flaw in my statement of oppinion on Christianity was referring said oppinion to participants of the thread. I let my emotions towards socalled Christians lead me astray, not from my oppinion of course, but in the writing of them.


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Old 07-04-2003, 10:43 PM   #53
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Stop it, you two.

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Old 07-05-2003, 04:56 AM   #54
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Old 07-05-2003, 11:38 AM   #55
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America is a christian dominated country and we allow people of other religions to live here and practice there beliefs.

But In Muslim countries, christians are persecuted and killed for spreading there beliefs so dont say that we are closeminded religion. [/B]
the thread is about christians .. otherwise i would have mentioned these muslimic-folks too.

The most problem with the most religions is .. they dont let their people have an own mind and opinion. nearly everything is given.

the role of the woman in most religions is .. let's just far behind time. So does the role of the man too.

Knowledge and science.. these are things which hardly fits to 'religious concerns'

so i dont have to speak about a special religion .. i just have to count on things like we have the year 2003 guys.. there are things going on in this world.. and the only thing you mind to do is to disturb our parlament with shouting "read the bible", "being gay is sin" (the major of berlin is gay.) "be shameful"



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Old 07-05-2003, 01:22 PM   #56
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Okay... per C'Jais' warning, all of the meaningless, off-topic bickering that masquaraded as posts to this thread have been vanquished.

The topic is, "Why is it okay to bash Christians?"

A very touchy subject to discuss without loosing some semblance of reason and seriousness, so from this post on, try to validate your thoughts and feelings rather than simply tossing them in.

Cite some reference that someone of the opposing viewpoint can rebute or attempt to respond to.


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Sadly, I dont think people are mature enough to discuss this like gentlemen(women). Too many people try to take the moral highground and look down their noses at those who dont agree.

I think there are a few reasons why more people bash christianity here.

I think the big thing is that Christians (more specifically, the Catholic church) have a flat out horrible track record. More awful things have been done in the name of god than you can shake a stick at.

This is really the case with most major religions. But Christianity is the major religion of most highly established countrys, of which most of the members here are part of. It tends to get shoved in a lot of peoples faces, and they begin questioning it. They look at it's history, and off it goes....

A lot of christians here get "bashing" confused with "discussing and questioning." I've seen countless people, both on and off the boards, ask for various changes in things because it "offends" them, often on religious basis. I sometimes wonder how seeing something you dont agree with is offensive, but thats a different thread.

But when someone questions your religion, I dont think they're bashing it. Just questioning it.


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I agree Shock, on most cases, it is just simply quesitoning it. But it is not quesitoning it when We get called naive and weak. =)




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No, not at all. That is bashing, and uncalled for.


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Old 07-06-2003, 02:22 PM   #60
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There are valid reasons why many now oppose christianity. To state one faction. The satanic Church. Many christians will have you believe we worship Satan, when if you do your studies (as opposed to just listening to a preacher) you will find that we do not. My point being, many people see the contridictions in christianity. We have entered a digital age, which has brought us so much closer together. And because of that, many people are deciding for themselves what to believe. The difference between satanists and christians are as so. Christians purely state that you should deny any earthly pleasures. Yet while doing that, you deny what makes you human. That is what many of us see as flawed with christianity. Which is why many people have left the faith. Not to mention the christians stand on gender and Homosexuality. One last thing, I believe it has become "cool" to bash chrisitans these days. Almost a trend. And that's truely sad. With so many people attacking them, it must be hard for them to worship their god in peace. As a person with completely opposite beliefs than christians, I can state so many flaws in their books and beliefs. But, in doing that, I would be widening the gap between satanists and christians further. I can personally say that I have met very few actual satanists that go out of their way to oppose chrisitans. In closing, this fad of christian bashing will pass in time.


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im catholic, a christion denomination, and we are not taught that other religions are the wrong ones, we are taught to beleive that we all warship the same god, with different ways. im not a strict catholic, havent gone to church in a long time, but i go to a catholic school. as for not hving simple pleasures that is not true, i can do whatever, and rthey dont say if you do this you wil go to hell!!!! booga booga, thata mainly the born agains who arnt alloud to drink and stuff, not all christians.


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im catholic, a christion denomination, and we are not taught that other religions are the wrong ones, we are taught to beleive that we all warship the same god, with different ways. im not a strict catholic, havent gone to church in a long time, but i go to a catholic school. as for not hving simple pleasures that is not true, i can do whatever, and rthey dont say if you do this you wil go to hell!!!! booga booga, thata mainly the born agains who arnt alloud to drink and stuff, not all christians.
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Why is it OK to bash Christianity?

Because it offers a definite truth about existence that constitutes a barrier in front of intellectual insight and enlightenment. That is my basic beef with Christianity.

As for the vast millions of hypocrites calling themselves Christians, that's quite a different matter....

Wisdom really ought to be a highly contagious disease.


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It is ok to bash Christianity because it has no compassion to pregnant women, and homosexuals among other people.
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As for the vast millions of hypocrites calling themselves Christians, that's quite a different matter....
*sigh* Some people just dont know when to keep their mouths shut....


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Old 07-06-2003, 11:52 PM   #67
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As for the vast millions of hypocrites calling themselves Christians, that's quite a different matter....
You must understand that it is my oppinion that hypocritical Christians are a serious crime to mankind, the crime being in essence that of serving as a barrier in front of intellectual progress, and I wrote it as such. In this post, from where the quote is taken, I did not use unnecessary namecalling. Hypocrisy is the word that covers my view on many selfnamed Christians; your antagony against it resembles the antagonism many have against the word ignorance. And that was not written as some hidden insult (even more not so in that I do not regard ignorance as an insult, merely a description of an observation), just an observation sprang to mind.

So please, cease the unnecessary spamming as it is against the rules of the Senate. An honest and sincere request. Allow the debate to continue beyond this hurdle.


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Old 07-07-2003, 12:23 AM   #68
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[edited my own post for the greater good of the debate...]


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Old 07-07-2003, 01:22 AM   #69
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well dudes,

I have this to say:-

Christian bashing as such is wrong, its is wrong to bash anyone for holding a certain point of view even if they are wrong, however it would appear that it is viewed by some that it is wrong to question the word of the lord.

Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but is it not right that we question that which is given as being unshakably true? We would still be living on a flat earth if so. If something is truly righteous then surely it can withstand scrutiny at every level and indeed scrutiny should re-enforce it's righteousness and hence be encouraged?

To state that the lord's word is correct without questioning is foolhardy in my view. The problem is that the written word of the bible has time and time again been proven wrong, contradictory and in turn entirely hypocritical.

I've at first hand witnessed this hypocrisy and have seen proof with my own eyes that rock to the very core of the bible, yet to question the very word of god is wrong? Perhaps it is if you are a christian whose faith is based on following the word of god without questioning it. For the rest of us questioning god is and always will be fair game for as long as the christian faith imposes cultural and moral obligations that may or may not be righteous or indeed just.


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The title of this thread spoke to me when I read it, because in the past I have thought of posting this same thread, but I chose not to because I knew the kinds of things that would be said.....much of it has already been said I see.

I do not understand why discrimination against religous people is considered okay in a society where discrimination is so forcefully looked down upon. I understand that being religious is a choice, I can choose to be Christian, whereas a given race is not a choice, and homosexuality is not a choice. But it is STILL discrimination against a certain group of peoples who have not necissarily done anything wrong.

Accusing christians of being evil based on acts carried out by christians in the name of God is akin to ME deciding that ALL Middle Easterners are Vile and Evil because Osama Bin Laden had airplanes flown into our World Trade Towers.

Also, attacking a person for making this choice strikes me as arrogance. You have to assume that you must of course be smarter than all of them, because they chose this and you did not. But in the case of religion, there is no way on knowing. All current evidence we have, of course, is that there very well could be no God. We have no proof of God. But we have no proof of NO God either. Therefore, your opinion is JUST as valid as ours. But that makes our opinoin just as valid as yours.

So perhaps it would be in the best interests of everyone here if all such hositilities were ended, all the Christians here can forgive everyone who has personally insulted us, all those who insulted us can appologize, and everyone else can just sit around and watch to see what kind of reaction my suggestion will cause



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First of all ET (or do you prefer the shortened Muad? ), you have to realize that a f*ckwit is still a f*ckwit, religious backing or not. To put it bluntly.

I don't care if someone believes that there's a God that cares deeply about homosexuality being regarded as "unnatural", unfit, weird or plain wrong - they're not one bit better than those who think racial differences are bad and the aryan race superior, but they still respect each and every black person for the one he is.

He's not. There's always this underlying prejudice, even if the person loudly proclaims that "he hates the colour, but loves the person". Same thing with homosexuals. It just doesn't work, and I don't care if said person is religious or not - he's being respectless to that person's nature, something he's just not in control of. Again, same thing if someone respected you "as a person", but neatly looked down on your love for your dog or girlfriend.

Same thing with the inexcusable "creation" mumbo jumbo - I don't care if you have a 2000 year old fairy tale that says otherwise - you better start dishing up some real facts and tested theories or I'm not gonna take you seriously at all.

And all this goes double for when someone tries hard to implement his jingoist, racist viewpoints in the law. Again, religious backing or not. That the church has such unwavering, blind support from many people allows it to do many of these things, and that's not even digging into how the organizations bully its members mentally into submission.

Sorry, looks like I flied off the handle there again - it's mostly a problem of empathy. Empathy is the ability to see another's viewpoint, as if you were in his shoes. Something which religious people are notoriously incompetent at. The problem is that Christians have a hard time understanding that their neighbors might not want to become Christians themselves and don't care about their rantings. They can't comprehend that other people might not be very interested in seeing impartial laws changed to suit their bias.

Then, we have the die-hard atheist, who have a tendency to look down on Christians for following an organization with a core of "logic" different from their own. They can't imagine believing in a god, and sometimes have this nasty habit of yelling God's apparent inexistence in their face, when they're unaware that these people *need* their beliefs, just as these atheist unwittingly need the belief that they somehow matter as well. I am of the *belief* that we all have beliefs that makes us important to ourselves - for Christians, this has been expanded to include God, but it' still the fundamentally same. Some atheists think their faith in themself and themself alone makes them morally superior to Christians, and for this they should be spanked. I find the Christian ideals of sacrifice for Christ and realizing of one's own imperfection fascinating, yet their idea of salvation through Christ alone is less sympathetic to me (though I can understand it well enough).

Empathy, my friends.

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First of all ET (or do you prefer the shortened Muad? ),
You will refer to me as The Kwisatz Haderach, b**** J/K

You can call me ET or Muad if you want. I probably won't keep this name for TOO long, but who knows. I kind of like it..hmmm.

*edit-almost forgot the whole point of my post*

I understand that being an idiot is not justified if you are a christian as well, I'm just saying I dont like the way that it is acceptable to discriminate against christians as a group, or even to judge us as a group.




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Old 07-09-2003, 06:06 AM   #73
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True, afterall, christians are each different. With individual views on even their own religion.

*edit* I am personally not a christian, but that is indeed a worth while comment to make. Too many people bunch christians together, and that's as bad as saying all germans are nazi's, or that all african americans are thugs.


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Not even all Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin, myself included. The reason most do is because a few (and I do mean a few...in fact only one comes to mind at the moment) verses forbid it, and there is much argument on whether those verses were translated properly in the original English version (which most other countries have used as a basis rather than the original Greek and Hebrew). A simple online search will show you what I'm talking about. I must decline to post a better explanation myself at the moment, because I'm far too tired. (not to mention that it's getting a bit off topic )

Note: This doesn't apply to Catholicism, because if you're a 'true' Catholic, you must believe homosexuality is a sin, because the Pope said so.

I believe it is fine to bash anything, but not anyone...and it's better to be careful what you say, if you want to be kind.


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I'm Catholic, and I don't believe that. I believe that its not a sin if you decide to have a different life style, as long as it isn't hurting anyone else.


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We have no proof of God. But we have no proof of NO God either. Therefore, your opinion is JUST as valid as ours.
I have to address this argument now, it's been used too many times to be merely amusing anymore. Asking people that they have to disprove something that hasn't been proved, nor even observed, is absurd, and to use the argument that there is no proof of the nonexistence of something not proved, nor even observed, is equally absurd.

We cannot disprove God because by design he cannot be disproved, and by that same design he can only be proved if he wishes it so. But to accept the inability to disprove something not proved as proof of its validity is futile folly. All you can have for God is faith.

The Universe resides inside a purple peanut governed by the sevenlegged ant, Woonawoona Wantagi....I can't prove it, but prove me wrong. That oppinion is just as valid as that of God.

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And it just may well be, we'll never know. But will I call you naive and stupid for believing in the purple peanut? No. I will allow you to believe it because it is what you wish to do, and I will be a nice guy and just let you have your beliefs so long as you aren't actually harming anyone.





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...and just let you have your beliefs so long as you aren't actually harming anyone.
But that's exactly the point I'm trying to get across here; these beliefs are harmful, because they keep mankind delusionally persistent about the justification of its continued existence. These beliefs are obstructions against any further evolving of insight. They say "So it is, let us question nothing beyond their boundaries." What they represent, the submission to ignorance through subconscious fear, is the uttermost crime against mankind.


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mankind delusionally persistent about the justification of its continued existence.
So you are saying that mankind does NOT deserve to exist?



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So you are saying that mankind does NOT deserve to exist?
Deserving does not apply here.


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