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Old 07-21-2003, 01:24 AM   #1
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Question Mind Trick: Tool of the "Lamer"?

I only very recently got ADSL, and its has been since then that I have encountered the true FPS-come-RPG multiplayer experience that is a JK2 sabers only game.

However, some people seem to have a problem with certain moves, and the major example which I have experienced is the general disapproval of using Mind Trick.

Basically, if I were to use Mind Trick to get behind an opponent and deliver a lethal flying-red-saber blow in the middle of a non-saber-challenge duel, I would be flamed and my victim would attempt to vote me off the server.

Although I have not been booted yet, this reaction tends to destroy my gaming experience, as I begin to feel restricted in how I can go about a fight.

I know that using Mind Trick is reasonable, as my investment of 18 points of force can be countered with a meagre 2 in Force Seeing, so how can my chosen way to fight be concidered illegitimate?

I am just wondering how you, the forum goers (and generally the more sensible of any gaming community), feel about this issue of taboo skills limiting a players options, and if you have any ideas ways the community could encourage these alternative play types.

Thanks, TwiceBjørn

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Old 07-21-2003, 02:01 AM   #2
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mind trick then run up from behind and go for a kick+dfa.

Just make sure you don't hold forward after the kick lands or else you will over shoot the dfa and land on their head.

If they complain about it tell them you are german and don't speak english and just keep killing them.
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Old 07-21-2003, 02:43 AM   #3
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Hey, the way i see it is: If it's in the game you can do it.

Alright, those people who whine and complain are people who just cant deal with the facts! IT"S IN THE GAME SO IT"S LEGIT!!!

In fact, those who flame because they were killed.....those are the ones who should be voted off.


If you did that to me this would be said in my room (not over the internet)

Me: "Damn, i just got killed by that annoying combo! How could i fall for that!? Next time, i'll either fight him when he is low on the force or i'll wait till i have a sentry with me."

Thats all! Thats what the annoying "girls" who your playing should really say!


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Old 07-21-2003, 04:26 AM   #4
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Aaah, what a horrible, horrible mistake!

The only acceptable way to use mind trick is this:

1) You mind trick the opponent

2) You walk infront of him (not too close 'cause that's dishonourable)

3) Take off mind trick

4) Make sure he sees you. Swing your saber once or twice (not too close!!) to get the opponents attention. Remember: just because the opponent is in a FFA and has his saber up at the moment doesn't mean, that his saber is up for *you*. He might just be swinging it for fun or swinging at someone else.

5) Challenge him to a duel. Only duels are acceptable. In duels you don't have lame force or kicks that hurt. You're allowed to kick (not more than once, though!) during a duel...but if the opponent falls down, whatever you do, don't attack him!



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Most ridiculous Quote of the century: >)O(< ENmiTy: promoting mindless FFA and SD kills promotes disorderly conduct amoung the online community.
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Old 07-21-2003, 05:13 AM   #5
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solution, play in non-newb servers.

no rules, no bs, just all out killing in mine . well there is one rule, no bitching and no going nuts with racial **** like calling ppl ******s and **** (not jokingly like iron, but intending offense)

64.246.59.197:28070 (g//FFA) (its at the top of the list)

209.179.21.10:59999 (EarthQuake@ f/<.FallenKnights.)

66.150.29.215:27982 ({FK}Clan Sabers Only CTF)

69.56.129.78:28070 (shock ~ full force saber only)

66.150.28.37:28070 (Team Silent Death)

67.86.211.149:28070 (GrendelNFDuel) (if you get a streak of wanting to just play NF)

63.138.212.207:28000 (GrendeL FF Duel)

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Old 07-21-2003, 07:07 AM   #6
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LoL Luc that's a good one


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Old 07-21-2003, 08:09 AM   #7
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Aaah, what a horrible, horrible mistake!

The only acceptable way to use mind trick is this:

1) You mind trick the opponent

2) You walk infront of him (not too close 'cause that's dishonourable)

3) Take off mind trick

4) Make sure he sees you. Swing your saber once or twice (not too close!!) to get the opponents attention. Remember: just because the opponent is in a FFA and has his saber up at the moment doesn't mean, that his saber is up for *you*. He might just be swinging it for fun or swinging at someone else.

5) Challenge him to a duel. Only duels are acceptable. In duels you don't have lame force or kicks that hurt. You're allowed to kick (not more than once, though!) during a duel...but if the opponent falls down, whatever you do, don't attack him!

LMFAO heheh Nice1


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Old 07-21-2003, 10:27 AM   #8
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I am the mindtrickin whore. Ive never seen anyone use it as much as me, non stop in ffa guns. And if its available when dueling I always use it.



Mindtrick + sabre off + sidekick, again & again & again.........

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Old 07-21-2003, 01:05 PM   #9
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mind trick then run up from behind and go for a kick+dfa...
...If they complain about it tell them you are german and don't speak english and just keep killing them.
You are a very naughty boy!

But yeah, while I try to observe a certain amount of manners/honour, if you're in a non-clan FFA server, then FFA stands for Free For All. Which means sit at the other end of the map and snipe if you want
If they vote you out, they vote you out. They'll cry over it more than you will.

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Old 07-21-2003, 02:57 PM   #10
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On a server a wee while ago -

Idiot in first match: Hey, NK ok?

ME: Well yeah ok (knowing that he was a newb and no ponit in causing an argument)

Idiot in 2nd match, got beat once: nk plz.

Me: No.

Idiot: i haven't assigned anyponits to it

Me: You've had 3 rounds to give points to force jump.

Idiot: Doesn't matter, almost anyone with skill and honour doesn't kick anyway.

ME: It's a game man, i'm ok with bowing and that but it's a game.

Idiot: That isn't an excuse for people being *******s

Me: Are you saying i'm an *******?

Idiot d/cs



Me being pretty evil i followed him into a ffa server and i used an alias ..... Mr. Honour. Gonig into the game i used went into mind trick cosstantly and kicked him to death....

Idiot: WTH are you doing? You're kicking me while using mind trick!!! I don't even have force seeing you moron!

Me: it's in the game man

Idiot: Do you have no honour!

Me: What's that? (while using mr honour as a name)

Idiot doesn't reply and i continue to kick him to death and victimise him.. he eventually d/cs (Idiot isn't his real name btw )

' Thing was, everyone on the server was either spamming grip or mind trick... I just didn't see the point in this guy.. It's an essential tool in CTF matches
IMO if it's int the game then it's fine, i didn't see anyone complainng about things in jk1
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Old 07-21-2003, 11:26 PM   #11
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Eh...don't worry about it. I figure if Raven was still patching the game, the rpg newbies would moan until blue spamming was the only thing left in the game
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Old 07-22-2003, 03:09 AM   #12
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Yep... Thats what we need. More flailing around aimlessly with a light saber Anyways, mindtrick away!


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Old 07-22-2003, 01:47 PM   #13
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If people stopped using every power, stance, and special move that someone considered lame, the game would degenerate into people just standing or sitting around with their sabers off chatting to one another. Wouldn't that be silly?
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Old 07-22-2003, 03:53 PM   #14
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Hold that thought a second... Hold on a bit longer, wait a minute.

Oh ****, I just remembered: This game is already a chat room session even with sabers enabled, specials, and force powers. We might as well rename Jedi Academy JKIII: IRC Session.
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Old 07-23-2003, 03:58 AM   #15
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Do not kiss players you don't know well!

This rule splashed on the screen when entering a Saber only FFA-server a while back. I think it says it all.


Got Honourz? Great.. I hope you choke on it!

I r0xx0r all j00 nooberz that mess with me. You nooberz suXor out of my way or I eat j00....

Most ridiculous Quote of the century: >)O(< ENmiTy: promoting mindless FFA and SD kills promotes disorderly conduct amoung the online community.
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Old 07-24-2003, 12:44 AM   #16
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I have no problem using it or with others that use it.

I believe when you have mindtrick, your saber still emits light. If not, it certantly emits sound. Also, footsteps. It's not hard to hear footsteps and a humming saber, since most people aren't sly enough to turn off their saber or use crouch while moving.


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Old 07-24-2003, 02:50 AM   #17
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That's why you should turn your saber off before mind trick-kicking.

I'm sure you can all see the problems this might cause with the holy "saber down = peace"-rule.


Got Honourz? Great.. I hope you choke on it!

I r0xx0r all j00 nooberz that mess with me. You nooberz suXor out of my way or I eat j00....

Most ridiculous Quote of the century: >)O(< ENmiTy: promoting mindless FFA and SD kills promotes disorderly conduct amoung the online community.
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Old 07-26-2003, 04:14 AM   #18
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meh, how can you complain and bitch about a power that has 2pts necessary to counter it????

geez.... people make it out to be worse than lightning spamming
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