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Old 10-01-2003, 12:18 PM   #1
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Do you think we should be able to burn cds

Do you think we should be allow to burn cds off the internet, i think we should be able to, why buy a cd when u only want one song off of it i mean unless u like all the songs on it then u shouldn't have to buy it u should be able to burn it, but now they our making it illegal i think that is terrible i have made so many burn cds so bad it isn't funny but what can u do i know i am going to keep doing it until i run out or they sued me give me your opinion on this topic




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Old 10-02-2003, 07:21 AM   #2
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Burning cd's in and of itself has absolutely nothing to do with piracy or illegal song sharing. All it is is a storage media, no different from video tapes, floppy disks, Zip disks, DVD's, etc.

Obviously some people use it in an illegal fashion, but you can't ban the practice simply because a few choose to abuse it.

I like it for the convenience, I backup data all the time on cd's, and yes, that does include making a backup copy of a game so I can save the original disc and not worry about it getting scratched up (especially if I let somebody borrow it) or to make my own custom audio cd's.

The whole thing with the RIAA is probably heading in the direction of just selling the material rather than the discs. Yes, it's convenient to have your mp3's, but it's also convenient to have the album all put together for you with the songs.

It just depends on the person. Some people don't like an artist enough to pay full price for their entire album when they only want one or two songs. So in that regard, the companies should work out some way to make it easy to obtain the music you want and use it on the format you want legally, because they can't just keep suing people and threatening everybody forever. It's a waste of their time and money and our's (frivilous lawsuites).


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Old 10-04-2003, 02:47 PM   #3
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Speaking from an Australian perspective, and have at least had a cursory glance over the Copyright law regarding music and software copying, this is my summary of our law.

It is NOT illegal to copy a CD only IF the copy is to be played/used in the place where the person sleeps (the laws words not mine). I could find nothing where it discerns between an analogue or digital copy as being legal, illegal, valid or invalid methods. The record labels don't like the idea the media they thrust upon us is too easy to replicate perfectly...

Copy protection to me is actually trying to stop the legitimate people who want to rip a CD and create an MP3 so we can use them to listen to, rather than changing CD's all the time. To me it seems that copy protection is a court case waiting to happen, since it infringes upon our rights as consumers...

As for online music, how come the platform that serves 4% of the PC user world has the best deal, and the other 96% are still waiting 4 years after Napster reared it's head for a generally accepted legal option to download our music?

Admit it, the record labels dropped the ball when it came to online music distribution, and they are tripping over their supposed control over everything, such as digital rights management, too busy putting restrictions upon users than let them just get the music legally from them.

Either way, a company such as Sony can't play both sides of the field. They both provide music, as well as the hardware to be able to burn CD's. They can't have it both ways.....


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Old 10-04-2003, 03:24 PM   #4
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But cd burns are only illegal if you have downloaded the songs on it illegal, right?

For example: If I have a cd with Elvis Presley, and one with David Bowie, it can't be illegal if I just take the songs from them, and burn them out on a new cd?
That can't be illegal? Or can it?

At least I think that's how it works in sweden... But I'm not sure...
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Old 10-05-2003, 02:15 AM   #5
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In general, with copyright in most countries, is that once you own the copyrighted material, IE the CD, you can do whatever you like with it BUT do not distribute it (that's P2P software like Kazaa), as long as the use of it is considered "private".

For our US people, has there been a court case to prove if the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act) is valid or not? Or is this is the same boat as the EULA, waiting for a proper court case to test it? (For those that care, under current legal principles, an EULA isn't legally enforcable - it's clauses in the contract between you and the company AFTER the contract(sale) is complete)


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Old 10-05-2003, 06:54 AM   #6
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But cd burns are only illegal if you have downloaded the songs on it illegal, right?

For example: If I have a cd with Elvis Presley, and one with David Bowie, it can't be illegal if I just take the songs from them, and burn them out on a new cd?
That can't be illegal? Or can it?

At least I think that's how it works in sweden... But I'm not sure...
In Finland, and Sweden too I suppose, it's not illegal to download music for private use. Legally speaking downloading means COPYING.

Copying(=downloading) software, PROGRAMS, is illegal however.

SHARING copyrighted material (songs or software or whatever) is also illegal.

So there's a difference bertween a copying and sharing. There's also a difference between music and computer programs. But what about music videos i .avi format? What about a little program that lets you choose which one of the 3 songs you want to play? Where's the line between "program" and "music"?

I've heard that there is an attempt to ban p2p-programs altogether in Sweden... filesharing is a huge right (imo), but you have to be quite naiive and clueless to believe that even 10% of the p2p traffic is legal filesharing instead of illegal sharing of copyrighted material.

How many personal files, photos/whatever does it take to fill up the 100 TERABYTES you see shared in many hubs? I'm betting no more than 1 gigabyte of all the 100TB's is legal material.


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Old 10-06-2003, 06:26 AM   #7
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If you burn CDs for your friends it should be ok, as long as you don't sell them for $$$




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Old 10-06-2003, 11:50 AM   #8
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i don't i make them for my friends but mostly i make them for myself and my beneifit




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Old 10-15-2003, 09:07 PM   #9
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If they're so intent on not allowing kids to share music and software, why not just force Kazaa, Imesh, Gator, Etc. To close their websites??

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Old 10-16-2003, 02:43 AM   #10
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If they're so intent on not allowing kids to share music and software, why not just force Kazaa, Imesh, Gator, Etc. To close their websites??
That would be like closing down all stores that sell knives, because knives can be used to kill people.

If you know what I mean...

And what if they closed down all those in the US? They could move to Mexico or Finland. It's the net: you can't control it. National borders mean nothing.


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Old 10-17-2003, 12:10 AM   #11
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I have lost so many cds, it is not even funny, so I backup ALL of my cds. I like to use Kazaa for LEGAL peposes, AKA downloading songs from DIFFERENT PEOPLE(17 tracks=17 artists) and making a mix. Especially with singles. Downloading singles is no different than copying them onto a tape from off of the radio.
And I either A)Backup my pc games so I don't F-Up my cds, or if they have some sort of anti copy protection on them(JA, AOEII, etc) I use a no cd patch/cracked exe/ilegal exe. I own the game, I bought it, I just don't want to use the cd so it's legal.


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