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Old 10-29-2003, 06:19 PM   #81
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Depends. If I'm rushed, it would only take about 45 minutes tops to beat me... If I'm not rushed, it may be a while... I've played a game recently and it took like 2 hours before I finished...
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Old 10-29-2003, 07:08 PM   #82
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I don't think there should be a time limit. Long games can be fun


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Old 10-29-2003, 10:33 PM   #83
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I think no time limit.

As for who can join, I suggest a "Jedi Council" made up of us (specifically Me, saberhagen, lukeiamyourdad, StarWarsPhreak and anyone else you guys think - we're the ones doing most of the planning), and to join the group the person needs to be accepted by at least half of the Jedi Council. We will, as Phreak said, judge them on a single game and any posting they do on the forums here.

To this end it is somewhat exclusive, but not entirely closed to new comers.


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Old 10-30-2003, 02:23 AM   #84
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AS such, I'll mention in advance that if some newcomer at the forum who the council judges that he can participate, won't be booted out if he kicks our asses. Unless he's being a jerk about it.


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Old 10-30-2003, 02:58 AM   #85
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Agreed. I don't really think we'll ban him because he can beat us, if that were the case we might not get any new members


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Old 10-30-2003, 09:37 AM   #86
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I can't say I'm too comfortable with the idea of having a ruling clique who judge newcomers. And judging their games as well as their posts on the forum is probably a bit too much and might be impractical.

I'd be happier with more open criteria related to the forum eg anyone is eligible to join the ladder from 1 month after their first post as long as they've posted reasonably regularly and it isn't just spam or flaming.

We need to remember that this isn't really our forum, it's DMUK's forum and maybe he should have some input into this.

Also remember that if someone is in the ladder, you don't necessarily have to play them if you don't want to.
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Old 10-30-2003, 09:46 AM   #87
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As long as they're not *******s, they're ok to join.
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Old 10-30-2003, 08:06 PM   #88
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The ladder has now been set up. See my post in the Online and Multiplayer forum for details (I thought it would be nice to try and revive it - although it probably won't work).
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Old 10-30-2003, 08:56 PM   #89
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You seriously should post it here. No one will see it down there...

Council- I don't think we should judge his gaming skills first too. He should be able to participate if say he posted x number of non-spam flaming posts or simply how relevent his posts are in a month. Then he should be able to participate.

I'm just saying that, no one will boot anyone out unless he's being an ass about winning or losing...


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Old 10-30-2003, 10:12 PM   #90
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Yeah that sounds like a better idea.

I still think we need some sort of Council just to make decisions and so forth. Five is a good number so we can include DMUK as well (whether he likes it or not!)


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Old 11-01-2003, 01:58 AM   #91
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Yeah, a council is a good idea for the few weeks or so, but once everything is laid out, then we'll all just be getting in the way.

The rest of the limits look good...


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Old 11-01-2003, 08:36 AM   #92
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I think you're right that we need a decision making body as the altrnatives are dictatorship or anarchy!

The responsibilities of this group will be to deide whether new members can join and to arbitrate in cases where someone is accused of cheating. The game rules and settings are already defined and anyone who joins implicitly accepts them.

I suggest members of the group should include:

Me
Luke' Dad
Phreak
Vostok
Corran
Sithmaster

And any other known forum regulars who want to join the ladder. DMUK can have some input if he wants, but I'm guessing he won't have time to be too heavily involved.

I suggest that in order to stop someone from joining the ladder, at least half of the council will have to object within a week of their application, otherwise they're in. I'd like it to be as inclusive as possible.
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Old 11-01-2003, 01:28 PM   #93
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We need a seventh member so we can avoid a 50/50 draw. It's better this way.

Perhaps Kimba or Frozted or maybe even DMUK.

P.S: He left out Windu! Lol


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Old 11-01-2003, 06:12 PM   #94
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I don't think Windu has expressed any interest so far, but of course he's welcome if he wants in. I just put people on mylist if they'd already signed up to the ladder or I thought they'd said they were going to.

I don't really mind who does it. I'm not expecting any serious divisions (but then you never know with this forum). I just think it's important that we get started asap.
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Old 11-02-2003, 02:14 AM   #95
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I think DMUK deserves the honor of the tie breaking vote.


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Old 11-02-2003, 08:24 AM   #96
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We also need to consider that we might be wasting our time devising elaborate membership criteria and procedures as not many people still play this game and not many of them come to this forum. Also, in practice we might find it difficult to keep people out for obvious (if you've already signed up) reasons.

Whatever we do, it's up to the regular forumers to decide, but please decide quickly. I've had a pm from someone who is quite new but is interested in playing, and I need to tell him something soon.
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Old 11-02-2003, 07:30 PM   #97
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Who are they? If they don't post often enough for us to know who they are, it's hard to accept them into the forum group...


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Old 11-02-2003, 09:05 PM   #98
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So far there are only 4 people registered. I had 5 on my site. Anyways, I'm gonna challenge someone soon...
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Old 11-03-2003, 05:50 PM   #99
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I don't think it's fair to discuss individual cases in public.

What I'm saying is, we need to decide very soon whether we are having membership criteria, and if so, what they should be and who is going to decide whether they have been met.

As far as I'm concerned, the easiest way to proceed would just be to let in anyone who asks but not publicise the url. If anyone wants more restrictions than that, then please sort it out asap. But as I pointed out before, keeping people out could be quite difficult and in practice, we might find we have the opposite problem: not enough people in it. Remember, you don't have to play someone if you don't want to, and anyone who is caught cheating can be banned from pro-ladder by the pro-ladder admins.

BTW, anyone who is already in it can start playing as long as they accept the rules as stated in the MP forum.
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Old 11-03-2003, 10:49 PM   #100
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I think they should have at least 10 posts in this forum. That means 10 in Galactic Discussion, not 1 here and 9 in Off-Topic or something even less related to Galactic Battlegrounds. What do others think?


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Old 11-03-2003, 11:26 PM   #101
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10 posts? They must be quite long...


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Old 11-04-2003, 07:15 PM   #102
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I think they should have at least 10 posts in this forum. That means 10 in Galactic Discussion, not 1 here and 9 in Off-Topic or something even less related to Galactic Battlegrounds. What do others think?
I could live with that if it's what everyone wants. If not speak now.

If it's that simple, do we still want/need a council? And if so does it need to be as big as we were thinking before?
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Old 11-04-2003, 07:32 PM   #103
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I think we do. It could also be kind of a jury which can judge people who are accused to be jerks, a-holes, cheaters, etc.

Anyway, 10 non spam post is doable. However, they should return here and continue on posting after they join.


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Old 11-05-2003, 12:34 AM   #104
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I think the Council needs to be present as the quality of these 10 posts needs to be judged. If they're five lots of double-posted spam I think we might have some problems...

Continued presence on the board is desirable. Of course people can always refuse to play them if they don't come to the boards anymore. Is there a penalty for not playing games for a while?


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Old 11-05-2003, 06:32 PM   #105
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No penalty for not playing - your score just stays the same (but you might think that is a penalty).

OK, any regulars who want to be on the council, say so (we can't make people be on it against their will). And you can't be on the council unless you sign up for the ladder as otherwise there wouldn't be much point.

Current members of the ladder are:

Me
Vostok
Corransec
Phreak

Sithmaster is supposed to be in the process of joining but hasn't yet.

Of course any known regulars can join the ladder without going through any selection, just pm me for details.
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Old 11-05-2003, 06:59 PM   #106
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Oh I forgot to post it in the Multiplayer forum but I already signed up at pro-ladder


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Old 11-06-2003, 02:33 AM   #107
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I thought I joined....Wonder what I did wrong?


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Old 11-06-2003, 07:27 PM   #108
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It's ok sith, you are on it now. Still can't see luke's dad. After you've opened an account at pro-ladder, you need to go to the private url. Once you're on the page with our ladder on it, you need to click join.

Any more takers for being on the council? Come on...
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Old 11-06-2003, 10:07 PM   #109
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I think Luke's Dad should be on the Council, as he has been part of the organisational discussions we've had in this thread. That would then make a council of five, which will ensure we aren't ever split down the middle on a decision.


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Old 11-07-2003, 02:30 AM   #110
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I count six, not five, Vostok....


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Old 11-07-2003, 02:50 AM   #111
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Oh, did you want to be on the Council too? Because saberhagen's post said him, me, CorranSec and Phreak. Though I think You, Sith, should be on it more than I think Corran should. Corran hasn't contributed much to the formation of the ladder, but you have. So in summary I think the Council should be:

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Ok, does everyone on that list want to be on the council? Reply or pm me to confirm whether you want to or not. If you're all up for it then we have our council and we can start doing things.
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That's ok with me.

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Ok I want to be on the council. It'll be fun. I just hope I can be objective enough and not be bribed by the player's hot sister...


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Old 11-08-2003, 12:10 AM   #115
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Vostok, that was a list of people who had joined the ladder at that time. We talked about the six people for the council earlier


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Gotcha. I hand in my last assignment ever on Monday, so after then expect to see PMs from me...


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Old 11-12-2003, 05:36 AM   #117
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Hi everyone. I've both a) had exams and b) completely failed to notice this thread, and only found out about the tournament because Phreak mentioned it to me on MSN.
I am thinking... is this Council thing really necessary? I think it'll only be truly necessary if there are masses of people signing up and we want to exclude, say, known cheaters or something, but really, how many people do you expect?
I wouldn't mind being on the Council, and although I haven't read this whole thread and thus don't know the whole story, it just seems a little overblown to me, based on what I've seen of interest in this tournament.


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Well, we've got it now, so fait accompli. I agree that it could prove to be overkill in practise, but it's still better to have it just in case we need it. It seems to be working ok so far - we were able to decide fairly quickly once the council was up and running.

So everyone, get playing....
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So how are we organising our games? What's the council doing? Am I in it? :S Perhaps I'll check my PMs one of this days....


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I've put a long post on the MP forum which explains everything about the ladder.
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