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Old 10-20-2003, 05:41 AM   #1
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about full force saber only & honor (no flames)

demo of #1 how messed up ff/so combat is now and #2 what happens when those with "honor" go to leagues and ladders to play people who only play the game to win.

and #3 what the people with "honor" are really like.

TWL 2v2 FF SO match between kaoticz and Imperial Ground Forces 193rd company


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If you cannot handle seeing people curse then don't watch the demo. IGF did a LOT of it.


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Old 10-20-2003, 06:20 AM   #2
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That really is a good demo on so many levels.

1- It does show just how messed up full force saber combat is now. What was once the single most intricate and complex game type in Jedi Outcast, is now... holding down a lightning key or holding down the primary attack and randomly flailing with a saber staff?

The way rumor and plaz were playing was "noobish" by all means (no offense guys).

But the bottom line is, the game play in JA has become so simplistic that stupid stuff like that pays off now.

And plaz and rumor being the type of players, who are there to win, are going to use whatever means they can to achieve that goal.




2- It really does show how those "with honor" are the most clueless and verbally abusive people in this game.

This was a ladder match and it was a FULL FORCE saber ladder match as deemed by the league.

Yet they complain about Force on a ladder THEY SIGEND UP TO PLAY ON?




Not to mention this is an actual league match, once it goes live, it's live.

How the hell anyone could think that putting a saber down and typing is going make them a no kill target in league play is just... insane.



That really is a damn good demo guys.

It shows just how messed up the game play is and how messed up the attitudes of people (who make up a very large %) in this community are.


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Old 10-20-2003, 07:25 AM   #3
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are you using a script for team energise?
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Old 10-20-2003, 08:27 AM   #4
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Yeah, chat box+ energize gives it away.

One thing though, the energize chain is really not an issue in JA, it is actually slower than doing it by hand in JO.

Go figure.


I will say it is the one good nerf they put in.

There is now a small delay so it can not done in rapid succession back to back when used with the old multiple "key;energize" exploit.


Also, major props to rumor and plaz, very professional behavior.

Kind of ironic considering we are a bunch of "lamers and whiners" huh?






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Old 10-20-2003, 09:12 AM   #5
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lol

why didnt they just go light side though?
absorb would have forced a major change in their technique
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Old 10-20-2003, 09:46 AM   #6
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The way rumor and plaz were playing was "noobish" by all means (no offense guys).
of course.

1. we weren't really trying to use any specific strategy.

2. what we did do was the most effective in ja.

3. we were playing a newb clan that talked a lot of **** on the rant boards and we wanted to use the most effective weapon in the game.

and we would have pushed the score into the 80s if we didn't have to hunt them down so much, and if the maps for 2v2's were a bit smaller. some of those are just too damn big.

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Old 10-20-2003, 09:48 AM   #7
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lol

why didnt they just go light side though?
absorb would have forced a major change in their technique
negative.

our last 3 opponents tried that.

but in those matches, it was me and fatal. fatal is #1 on darkstats so sabers play a much bigger role for him.

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Old 10-20-2003, 09:52 AM   #8
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nah by "noobish" I meant the nerfed game play only gave you limited options and those options were pretty simple to execute.

There is no way in hell people could do that in Jedi Outcast and not get wiped off the map.


The only reason I even said that, was I knew some one would go "all you guys did was spam lightning, that's noobish".


You guys looked at your options, picked what worked best and did it.

Same thing I would have done.


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Old 10-20-2003, 10:38 AM   #9
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nah by "noobish" I meant the nerfed game play only gave you limited options and those options were pretty simple to execute.

There is no way in hell people could do that in Jedi Outcast and not get wiped off the map.


The only reason I even said that, was I knew some one would go "all you guys did was spam lightning, that's noobish".


You guys looked at your options, picked what worked best and did it.

Same thing I would have done.
Our strat was more like 1 guy drains in bursts, the other spams lightning, but the lightning got out of hand and was affective anyways.

The sh1t these guys were talking was hillarious.


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Old 10-20-2003, 10:40 AM   #10
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lol

why didnt they just go light side though?
absorb would have forced a major change in their technique
If they went lightside, we'd just spam the hell out of pull-throw instead.


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Old 10-20-2003, 11:04 AM   #11
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nah by "noobish" I meant the nerfed game play only gave you limited options and those options were pretty simple to execute.

There is no way in hell people could do that in Jedi Outcast and not get wiped off the map.


The only reason I even said that, was I knew some one would go "all you guys did was spam lightning, that's noobish".


You guys looked at your options, picked what worked best and did it.

Same thing I would have done.
it was nubish in the first place, heh. we didn't adhere to any plan other than stay alive and kill them.

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Old 10-20-2003, 09:18 PM   #12
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it was nubish in the first place, heh. we didn't adhere to any plan other than stay alive and kill them.
Which was smarter than flailing a saber around as two guys were lightning whoring you.

I hate these idiots who come in from an NF play style and expect to own at FF because [sarcasm]it's just n00bish force powers, which obviously don't take any "skill" to use and flailing a saber is a lot more difficult than this.[/sarcasm]


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Old 10-20-2003, 09:26 PM   #13
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I hate you both, and if I were playing that game I would have made a mochary of your lives and existance, all with my horizontal and vertical attacking skills.




speaking of which, I'm going to re-install that POS game, and play just to be a menace to all the people who like it and think its good. With HL2 and Doom3 not out till next year, looks like I have my work cut out for me.
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Old 10-20-2003, 09:32 PM   #14
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Old 10-20-2003, 09:46 PM   #15
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negative.

our last 3 opponents tried that.

but in those matches, it was me and fatal. fatal is #1 on darkstats so sabers play a much bigger role for him.
yeah but thats what they wanted isnt it?
to be chopped to peices by sabers instead of lightninged into oblivion

as for the pull throw i still dont think it would have been as effective as a room full of lightning

im not saying you wouldnt still have rocked them but like i said it would change the strategy (or lack there of :P)
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Old 10-20-2003, 09:58 PM   #16
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yeah but thats what they wanted isnt it?
to be chopped to peices by sabers instead of lightninged into oblivion

as for the pull throw i still dont think it would have been as effective as a room full of lightning

im not saying you wouldnt still have rocked them but like i said it would change the strategy (or lack there of :P)
Actually, a week or so ago, me and Rumor did a scrim vs aP, we were lightside, they played dark. They had the team energize script and their strat was to whore pull-throw. They did very well with it too. End score was around 80-5.

I realize the demo download doesn't work so I'll upload my version of the demo. (which is in my PoV, not rumor's)

Here's the download link: demo


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Old 10-21-2003, 12:18 AM   #17
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yeah but thats what they wanted isnt it?
to be chopped to peices by sabers instead of lightninged into oblivion

as for the pull throw i still dont think it would have been as effective as a room full of lightning

im not saying you wouldnt still have rocked them but like i said it would change the strategy (or lack there of :P)
basically what he did is get in close and do sweeps with double sabers while i whored lightning and then he would do a saber barrier and i would come in behind with red stance.

yes sabers are a big part of it when he and i play. but not me and plaz because plaz has no clue about a lot of the tricks to stay alive when using that saber, not to mention how to kill with it. and i don't trust him to be able to back me up with that saber of his when i'm going rambo, so we stick to force.

it really just depends on who is playing.

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Old 10-21-2003, 12:56 AM   #18
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YES!

I thought it was a good match. A bit one sided, but good match. =). The fact of the matter is, and I am not trying to flame anybody, if they are as good at NF 2v2 as they say, then they should drop out of the FF 2v2 and join the NF 2v2 ladder. I think that they would be much happier and more productive there.

Also, I love lightning and drain. =) I get kicked a lot, but I just come back and ask why? They say that I was whoring lightning, and I ask them why they have force then?

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Old 10-21-2003, 01:29 AM   #19
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The other thread where i was suposed to answer was closed so ill use this one.
Ill moderate my words so this thread wont be closed.

To pasma and those people wanting to spectate.
1am cause thats the best conection time in a not so late hour.
Unless u have to go to bed at 10, in which case we can setle it up for the morning.
Considering u r a freak, u may cheat or do something weird, so let it be a neutral server instead of yours, a low ping server thats empty most of the time (anyone), u name it.
And give me your MP name and ip so i can know it is you and not some of your friends (ill give you mine too).

And yeah, some of the other noobs wanting to espectate can take pics too and turns againts me, even power duel if u want to.

BTW 1 am central time

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Old 10-21-2003, 03:14 AM   #20
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wow i must really be very abrasive because i just had a 1v1 match and i got cussed out and my opponent left.

i had 80% packet loss so i couldn't tell if my saber was going to hit or not, so when i did use it it was for show, heh.

nonetheless, you see how these "honor" nubs really are...very un-honorable.

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pathetic. You cant have a saber much agaisnt someone who doesn't use one. Running away + drain + lightning does not equal a fight. Learn how to duel on 56k...it can be done.
^ that is from match comms after he left.

demo:
http://kaoticz.com/plazma/files/rumorvsgippertwl.zip

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Old 10-21-2003, 03:22 AM   #21
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Keep the demos coming dude... I'll post some after I have a few more twl matches.

There was one guy I played 1v1 on TWL who I really respected, despite him being an honor guy. He didn't really like the way I was playing but he adapted to it and actually got 9 kills, but he lost 10-9 to me.


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Old 10-21-2003, 03:40 AM   #22
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heh believe it or not i've only had one person to complain on COG. and he was nice. he just left when it was 8-0. the other people i played just played and said great game. tho one said although i couldn't tell how much saber skill you had, gg.

^ those people have my respect.

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Old 10-21-2003, 03:57 AM   #23
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Honestly guys, my best experiences in this game all came on ladders.

I don't mean the match quality. I mean the quality of player behavior.

Granted there were a few times when things got a little heated between teams and some trash talking happened (comes with the territory), but I would say 99.9% of the players and teams I met were total gentlemen (gentlewomen too) and it really made the game fun.

A very large part of the Jedi Knight community really could learn a lot of lessons in regards to manners and just showing people common courtesy from those who play competitively.

Like I said, look at that demo for a perfect example of how "lamers who spam moves and ruin the fun" are some of the most respectful and courteous people in this community.

Don't get me wrong, we have our fair share of jerks as well, but they make up the minority in our circle as opposed to the way they seem to be the majority in the population of casual players.


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Old 10-21-2003, 04:53 AM   #24
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heh on twl i'm now fission's problem child because of all the times i've had to get him to put honr nubs in line.

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Old 10-21-2003, 01:45 PM   #25
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Somebody should post a mirror, I'd like to see this.

And no troll responses to this thread please...


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Old 10-21-2003, 03:22 PM   #26
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Somebody should post a mirror, I'd like to see this.
Me too please. I love these sorts of demos...
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Old 10-21-2003, 05:46 PM   #27
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uh why was this moved to the clans forum? it was made to show the imbalances in ff/so, and the conduct of honor nubs...

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Old 10-21-2003, 07:49 PM   #28
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Somebody should post a mirror, I'd like to see this.

And no troll responses to this thread please...
The downloads should be working. Just Rumor's first post link doesn't work.


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Old 10-22-2003, 02:24 AM   #29
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well i just had a COG match and i was very impressed. the guy i faced was very curteous and complimented me afterwards.



also after the match when he reported he said this:

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What a great match. Rumor is as fine a gentleman as he is a player. He really schooled me in the Jedi Arts and taught me what ´old-school´ really means. Look out #1 here he comes.
soon as plaz uploads the demo either him or i will post it.

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Old 10-22-2003, 02:35 AM   #30
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http://kaoticz.com/plazma/files/rumo...mslang_cog.zip

thats the demo

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Old 10-22-2003, 03:05 AM   #31
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Nice demo. Proves there really are nice players in this community.


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Old 10-22-2003, 08:05 AM   #32
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man, that midair pt has to go into a frag video.

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Old 10-23-2003, 07:25 AM   #33
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for you [SiN]/[M0H] haters:

http://www.coe.uncc.edu/~ahhjelt/apvsSiN.dm_25

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Damn, I love these demos. Keep 'em coming!
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Old 10-24-2003, 03:15 AM   #35
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will do.

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Old 10-29-2003, 04:42 AM   #36
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ok couple more demos.

first the match for #1 on twl's ff/so duel ladder.

neither player was trying at all (remnant was quitting the ladder after the match regardless the outcome). if they had been trying the match would have lasted much longer.

http://www.kaoticz.com/rumor/files/d...nant_twl.dm_25

(if that demo doesn't work let me know and i'll re-upload it)

and the match (again) where a newbie honor clan challenged for #1 on the ff/so 2v2 ladder on TWL.

http://www.coe.uncc.edu/~ahhjelt/apvsae.dm_25

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Old 10-29-2003, 11:36 PM   #37
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Sorry to pollute your thread here, but I can't get any of these Demo's to work.
And no offense but I've been to some of the forums you guys post on and I won't download it, just open. I spent two days trying to get cookies that were so deep in my PC, I had to do System restore so the popups would quit popping up when I wasn't even on line , so in short (kinda) is there another way I can see these demos, I HONESTLY would like to understand this problem w/ ff s/o in JA, regardless of my previous statement about no more posting. I play the Hypocrate (spelling?) OK. My request for understanding this out weighs my ego so please enlighten me , even if you must PM me with a 10 page essay, I'll read it.


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P.S. My definition of honor is exactly how you treat each other (re: rumor and Boomslang's comments after a match) and I was flamed that bad for sticking up for people who play the game for fun and overall sportsmanship, now I'm really confused, perhaps stupid, or even being naive. I've tried to follow it all, but there is to much cr*p in all the other threads to read through.

I don't play in tourney's or even ladders (yet), so if you don't want to waste your breath explaining this to a naive, hypocritical, mis-educated(did I miss any?) person just seaking answer's....so be it.
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Old 10-30-2003, 12:08 AM   #38
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put them in gamedata/base/demos and play them ingame

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put them in gamedata/base/demos and play them ingame


oops....duh....that would explain alot.

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Old 10-30-2003, 07:38 PM   #40
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I would just like to know what you open these movies with so I can view them. Sorry to be newbish.

Oh and Rumor, after I get my new Pc I would love to fight you on Jedi Academy, I played Jedi Outcast for over a year so I should be a challenge.
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