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Old 11-25-2003, 06:13 PM   #81
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i've never heard that before, but it's happening to ppl who can't play in jedi academy. damn women! jk lol

but who is george carlin anyway?


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"It is vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, peace, peace; but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

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Old 11-25-2003, 07:42 PM   #82
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Amidala, that was a good (and sadly true) story. It really shows how screwed up some people can get.

(Once again advertising my server) If someone is clearly new to the game, often we tell the person that these rules do not apply in all servers. These are individual server rules. But I know that not all admins are as nice as those at JK3Files.
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Old 11-25-2003, 09:58 PM   #83
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Old 11-25-2003, 10:02 PM   #84
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ahhhh

feels enlightened

i knew i heard that name somewhere.


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"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation." - Thomas Jefferson

"It is vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, peace, peace; but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery?

Forbid it, Almighty God -- I know not what course others may take; but as for me -- give me liberty or give me death!" - Patrick Henry


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Old 11-25-2003, 11:07 PM   #85
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Indeed, Amidala, very nice story there.

I actually prefer a bit of both. Sometimes, I just connect to the ''honor'' servers, and watch people duel, or I simply talk to people, but I still fight.

Sometimes though, I also prefer just playing the game as it is supposed to be played. I just connect to any server, hack and slash people, and watch my score rise.

I get tired of the same thing easily (I'm like that) so this is why I tend to switch between these two 'life-styles' (just kidding ).
I used to be like that, though. I whined my ass off when I played JK2.


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Old 11-26-2003, 12:22 AM   #86
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George Carlin is funny as hell; I have seen him live, and was rolling the wole time. Yes, I do believe it was Carlin's last HBO special.


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Old 11-26-2003, 01:44 AM   #87
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Touching, touching story Amidala. The great tragedy of our time. I almost shed a tear wgen I read:

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Anakin respawned and tried to fight, but his once-formidable FFA skills had withered away from too much standing around and chatting on the True Honor Jedi server.


Personally, I don't see how any adolescent boy could enjoy bowing and walking around. I mean, most kids like Star Wars because it's KEWL. Most kids who buy Star Wars games buy them because they hope the game will be KEWL like the movies. Well, last I checked, Yoda didn't do a KEWL bow to Dooku, and Maul didn't use his KEWL taunts on Qui-gon. Yoda used KEWL moves on Dooku, and Maul KEWLy owned Qui-gon's butt (no offence).

So, I'm like, what in the freaking heck?
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Old 11-26-2003, 06:30 AM   #88
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*sobs* that was beautiful amidala *cries*

lol j/k but it was a damn good story and touching

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Old 11-26-2003, 08:49 AM   #89
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...... is a stand-up comedien, famed for his sarcasm and grouchiness.
LOL

Are you sure you're not describing Unnamed there, K ?!

jus kiddin......

I keep getting that Carlin guy mixed up with Jeff Foxworthy, the guy who's made a mint doin that "you might be a redneck.." stuff IIRC (Im not from the US so Im not fully in the know about american comedians)

eg. "If you get pissed off when you enter a server called TRUE HONOUR JEDI and want to teach them all a lesson 'cause theyre all bowin and dont do things the way you think is right, then you might be a redneck...."

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Old 11-26-2003, 10:40 AM   #90
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Old 11-26-2003, 11:26 AM   #91
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I know its a bit geeky, but I like to add it to signify I'm more of a SW fan than a hardcore FPS gamer


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Old 11-26-2003, 02:08 PM   #92
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Thanks to all of you who took the time to read my literary masterpiece and liked it

As you might guess, Anakin's story came from my own experiences, but with one crucial difference.

Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast was the first online game I ever played. I came to it later than most, around November 2002. Like Anakin, I loved SP, and played my saved games over and over to practice fighting Tavion and Reborn. Later I moved on to playing against bots, and had countless fun bot battles.

Around January-February 2003, I finally got up the nerve to go online. Fortunately, unlike poor Anakin, the Force was with me. By shear dumb luck, two of the first servers I happened to go to were the oE server Cardassia Prime (later the Obsidian Empire) and HuntingWabbits.com. These were (and are) two great, classic, pure, true Free for All servers. They were Full Force, Full Weapon, no "honor code" servers populated by pretty good players. I guess I was attracted to them because people were really playing the game the way the Makers intended it to be played, and the way I had played against bots: no-holds-barred combat. Of course, being a newbie, I was completely outclassed, but I was in awe of the good players I encountered there. I would go to spectator and follow the leaders to try and learn their secrets. I remember wondering "how does oE|EidolonJM move so fast doing that hopping maneuver?" (strafe jumping).

With Cardassia Prime and HuntingWabbits.com serving as my "frame of referrence", I eventually checked out some other servers. I would sort servers by ping and then go to the "Free for All" servers with the most players, expecting to see more great combat and players, as I had experienced at my two fav servers. I was generally appalled by what I saw. Often I would go to supposedly-busy "Free for All" servers and find a bunch of people sitting or standing around, not doing much. Some people would try to get some action going, but would suddenly disappear (get kicked). I think I even got kicked, but I didn't know what had happened.

Other times I would go to other servers and find people trying to play. I remember going to a server and watching from spectator, as I usually did when I went to a new server. Someone was trying to play, but he suddenly collapsed as if paralyzed, and some other player with a double-bladed lightsaber was standing over him lecturing him about something. I also saw some people who looked like they were being choked as they were being yelled at. There seemed to be as many of these "police officers" as there were players. People seemed very timid and inhibited, as if they were terrified of doing something wrong and being punished for it. It was a vision of online hell. I never left spectator and I never went back to those places.

As much as I loved gunning on Cardassia and HuntingWabbits, I was disappointed with the lightsabers. Of course, coming late to the game I had only known the 1.04 patch with its nerfed-to-near-useless lightsabers. The lightsabers seemed only good for defense, and that didn't seem right to me. I discovered how to increase lightsaber damage, and that was way more fun and "realistic" for me, but I couldn't find any servers set up like that. Even though I had zero knowledge or experience running a server (remember, JKII:JO was my first online game), in March 2003 I decided to run a server from my home and called it Chop Shop. It was like my two fav servers in spirit and attitude, but with stronger lightsabers. It was then that I discovered I was better at running servers than I was at playing on them. (It was a real thrill when some of the players I had seen on Cardassia and HuntingWabbits started coming to my servers). But that's another story, and this post is already long enough. I will always be grateful there were servers like Cardassia Prime and HuntingWabbits where the spirit of true Free for All was kept alive in an otherwise bleak, oppressive, depressing server galaxy. Otherwise, I might have ended up as Anakin did in my story *shudders*


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Old 11-26-2003, 09:54 PM   #93
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Don't look now, it's an anti-rant rant!

The rational, mature players make up a minority in a gaming community?

Who'd have thunk it?

If you can't join a random server and expect a good game, what is this world coming to? <------ Sarcasm

Played any other popular online FPSes lately? Or in the past few years? Cheating, spawn-camping, homophobia, insults, and all other exploits and general nastiness capable of happening will happen online, especially in FPSes; this comes standard with the demographic and/or anonymous nature of the internet.

Although the internet is globalizing the things we do as never before, your problem here is still textbook sociology 101. You aren't going to change anything by moaning on a message board and expecting things to change 'just because they should.' Some of you here should know better than that.

Why do you do this to yourselves? It seems almost masochistic at times. Inquisitive minds want to know.
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Old 11-26-2003, 10:43 PM   #94
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Re: Don't look now, it's an anti-rant rant!

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Why do you do this to yourselves? It seems almost masochistic at times. Inquisitive minds want to know.
Because when it works, it is some of the most fun I've had.

I've been playing online since Quake, at all levels. I put in my dues as a newb on a 33.6K modem in Quakeworld FFA. There were some servers that were furious, all out fragging fun. Quite a comraderie was born with the folks who frequented those servers too, and I still know many of those folks, almost 5 years later.

But man, is there some poor behaviour, and whiney kids, out there. I'm playing JA as a female character, and I had no idea how much abuse gets lashed out (especially if you beat folks). My respect for the women out there who play as females has grown tremendously.

I'm playing duel almost exclusively these days, and the new things folks think of to yell at me is astounding. The latest one was how the "silly b*tch should stop running around". Um, should I just STAND THERE AND LET YOU HIT ME? *shakes head* Unbelievable.


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Old 11-26-2003, 11:00 PM   #95
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Re: Don't look now, it's an anti-rant rant!

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You aren't going to change anything by moaning on a message board and expecting things to change 'just because they should.' Some of you here should know better than that.

Why do you do this to yourselves? It seems almost masochistic at times. Inquisitive minds want to know.
Ever hear about the theory that a butterfly flapping its wings in the Indonesian jungle can set off a chain of events that changes the weather in Indiana? No? How about the old saying: for the want of a nail, the shoe was lost. For the want of a shoe the horse was lost. For the want of a horse, a rider was lost. For the want of a rider the battle was lost. And because the battle was lost, the war was lost.

Look what happened when a piece of foam insulation hit the wing of the space shuttle Columbia. Sometimes small things can have large effects.

The postings here by Luc Solar, FK | unnamed, Rad Blackrose, Rumor, Kurgan, Prime, and many others, and even the opposing viewpoints of Coraith, Master William, TK8252MJL and others have had a profound effect on the way I look at the game and the way I run my servers. And because literally hundreds if not thousands of players from all over the world have spent time playing on my servers during the past eight months, the postings on this forum have affected the way many, many people have played and enjoyed these games.

Not bad for a lot of "moaning".

Minds can be changed. If they're open, that is


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Old 11-26-2003, 11:34 PM   #96
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Re: Don't look now, it's an anti-rant rant!

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The rational, mature players make up a minority in a gaming community?

Who'd have thunk it?

If you can't join a random server and expect a good game, what is this world coming to? <------ Sarcasm

Played any other popular online FPSes lately? Or in the past few years? Cheating, spawn-camping, homophobia, insults, and all other exploits and general nastiness capable of happening will happen online, especially in FPSes; this comes standard with the demographic and/or anonymous nature of the internet.

Although the internet is globalizing the things we do as never before, your problem here is still textbook sociology 101. You aren't going to change anything by moaning on a message board and expecting things to change 'just because they should.' Some of you here should know better than that.

Why do you do this to yourselves? It seems almost masochistic at times. Inquisitive minds want to know.
I think I'm going to print this, frame it, then put the caption "Worthless Reply of the Year" underneath it.

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Old 11-27-2003, 03:47 AM   #97
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I thought I'd contribute a story of my own...

This is a story about how some of you competetive players can be as bad as the honor players. The name of the player will not be revielded.

So this guy came in the JK3Files Server, and started playing the traditional style FFA, where you just attack everyone. I was the only admin in at the time. I started getting complaints of the player laming and chat killing. So I had to check it out. To my suprise, there he was... Laming me! So I showed my rule binds to him. Then some other player started to attack him and lured him away from me. So he has now seen the rules, so I expect him to obey them. I started to hear more complaints against him. I told him:

"we dont like to be attacked if our saber is turned off"

"Saber turned off = dont attack us! this is NOT a traditional FFA!"

He then responded by saying:

"Well I like to attack you and I dont acre about your gay code"

I put up my language rule bind. 'Gay' is not allowed there.

He then said:

"So I DONT CAYA"

"I DO WHAT I WANT"

So he has no respect for the rules or the people in it. So I used good ol' rcon.

The entire server cheered his kick.

Guys, please, respect the server rules.
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Old 11-27-2003, 04:47 AM   #98
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Ever hear about the theory that a butterfly flapping its wings in the Indonesian jungle can set off a chain of events that changes the weather in Indiana? No? How about the old saying: for the want of a nail, the shoe was lost. For the want of a shoe the horse was lost. For the want of a horse, a rider was lost. For the want of a rider the battle was lost. And because the battle was lost, the war was lost.

Look what happened when a piece of foam insulation hit the wing of the space shuttle Columbia. Sometimes small things can have large effects.
I've most certainly heard of this. Anyone that wants a better example of this kind of thinking need only watch Run Lola Run, it's evidenced quite poignantly there as the movie's main theme. That's not very useful in this argument, though, because the long list of simulatenous, interwoven factors that produce a given situation are much, much too complex to be precisely charted in cases like these.

Okay, Yes, I'll admit that a small something you or anyone else here does, could, when combined with a mesh of a mind-boggling number of other things, produce a dramatic change in the community. This would be impossible to calculate and prove, however, without an extreme amount of over simplication simplified (read: erroneously) to prove your point. It would likely be pure happenstance. If I have to, I'll demonstrate this.

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The postings here by Luc Solar, FK | unnamed, Rad Blackrose, Rumor, Kurgan, Prime, and many others, and even the opposing viewpoints of Coraith, Master William, TK8252MJL and others have had a profound effect on the way I look at the game and the way I run my servers. And because literally hundreds if not thousands of players from all over the world have spent time playing on my servers during the past eight months, the postings on this forum have affected the way many, many people have played and enjoyed these games.

Not bad for a lot of "moaning".
But not very good, either, at least per the the problem being dicussed here. I would say you dramatically overstate your own importance. The main issue here is the composition of the community at large, which, at least as identified by many of these people, features a majority of bow-obsessed assclowns. Either your efforts are precise and/or massive enough to be linked in a seriess of events to reduction of these players in the overall community or they aren't.

Or to put it another way: Do or do not. There is no try. Reapeted messageboard moaning definitely falls in the later category.
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Old 11-27-2003, 04:50 AM   #99
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Re: TK's post

I'm not sure you can call that rude person a "competitive" player unless you know for a fact that they participate in organized ladder competition. He was clearly in the category of "a-hole" however. It's not fair to call a random a-hole a "competitive" player (although I suspect that most competitive players will concede that a few of their fellow competitive players are in fact also a-holes).

In my opinion, however, someone who says "saber down = peace" or "lamer" is by definition a follower of an "honor code" of some type and is instantly recognizable as such.

You did your job well TK, exactly as your duty required of you.

Isn't it annoying when people try to impose their way of thinking on your server? Now you know how I feel when people come to my server and starting cursing about "laming" and "saber down = peace, f***tard".

I found it interesting to compare your server's rules and the number of admins necessary to enforce them vs. my server's:

JK3Files Server Rules

Please read these rules very carefully. You will be held responsible for knowing them. The rules for the server are:

DO NOT ATTACK SABER DOWN OR CHATTING PLAYERS
DO NOT USE INTERACTIVE FORCE IF YOUR SABER IS DOWN
DO NOT USE OFFENSIVE OR ABUSIVE LANGUAGE

Explanations of these rules and additional rules are below.

ADMINS
Admins have the right to determine whether or not you have broken the rules. An admin's decision is final, regardless of whether you think the decision is stupid or not...You may be given a warning if you break the rules. Failure to comply will result in your being kicked, and possibly banned.

If you feel it necessary to question the judgement of an admin, do so via email to one or both of the head admins. If you harass an admin on the server regarding a decision he/she made, your disagreement with a particular rule, or if you cause any interference with an admin doing their job, expect to be kicked from the server.

Head Admins:
AmosMagee
ShroomDuck

Current Admins:
Atlas
Chrono
DarkOne
Jem
LadyNikita
Plague
RasinHeck
Ravage
Stealth
Tek
TK8252

LAMING
Laming will not be tolerated on the JK3Files server. Do not attack anyone with his or her saber down, period. Attacks include saber and force (and kicking when applicable). Any attack with a saber, including saber throw, is considered laming. Using force on an unarmed player is also not allowed. Yes, even drain and push and pull are considered attacks. If you attack anyone whose saber is down with your saber or with force, you will be kicked.

Do not use "sabering down" as a means of defense. By this, we mean, you are not to attack someone and then immediately drop your saber so you cannot be attacked back. If it appears you are doing this intentionally, you will be kicked.

Your saber MUST be up before using force. The reason for this rule is because if someone, without their saber on, grips someone else and throws them off a cliff, no one can legitimately attack that person because their saber is down. If you continually attack with your saber off, you will be kicked from the server.

Also, we do not allow "revenge laming". As noble as you may think it is, we will remove you from the server if you "lame lamers".

LANGUAGE/ATTITUDE
No offensive language. By offensive, we mean the really, really bad words in excess. Offensive language includes anything derogatory; whether it’s sexually derogatory or just plain mean. Words that refer to sexual preference used inappropriately will not be tolerated. Most words that you hear on television are acceptable. What is more important is whether those words are used in a confrontational manner. For example, “life’s a b*tch,” can be tolerated, while “you b*tch” cannot. Though we are flexible with some name-calling if the tone is obviously light and no offense was intended. F**k and s**t are NEVER tolerated under any circumstances, nor are ANY form of racial epithets, whether pointing to any race’s superiority or inferiority. Taunts may be mean-spirited, to a degree. If it’s too offensive, you will be asked to not use those particular taunts. Anything you say to make someone else uncomfortable will be met with a request to stop. If you do not stop, you will be kicked.

SCRIPTS
No scripts. If we suspect you are using scripts, (or any other cheats for that matter), you will be asked not to. If you continue to use them, you will be kicked or banned.

DUEL INTERFERENCE
No interfering with duels. This means, stay out of the way of duelists and do not try to distract someone while they are dueling. If you are in the way of a duel, expect to be forcibly moved by an admin. If you are interfering with a duel, you will be kicked from the server.

KILL TRACKERS
Kill Trackers (KT) are useful for some people for many reasons. However, the constant kill tracker messages in a crowded server playing an FFA can be a bit much. So we have decided to not allow KT messages on the server anymore. Please be sure that that feature on your KT is turned off. If you do use a KT and are asked to disable the messages and do not, you will be kicked. If you continue to ignore our request, you will be banned.

BANNED MODELS
Some models or skins have been banned from our server either because they're partially invisible or they have an inconsistant hitbox and/or damage model compared to the other models, giving the user an unfair advantage. Those models/skins not allowed on the JK3Files server include:

Half invisible Luke & Kyle
Jawa



Now here's my admin roster:

Admin Amidala (nowhere to be found most of the time)

and my rules:

LAMING
All kills are legal, don't whine when you die.
No suicide during Team FFA.

LANGUAGE/ATTITUDE
No racist or extremely abusive language, as judged by the admin.

KILL TRACKERS
No killtracker or other forms of spam (chat bind abuse). Killtrackers can be used in silent mode.

Notice the difference in complexity and the number of admins necessary for enforcement. Does all that complexity provide a commensurate improvement of the game playing experience? Oh well, at least we agree about those twin scourges, racism and killtrackers.


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Old 11-27-2003, 04:57 AM   #100
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ACS:"Do not attack anyone with his or her saber down, period."

what if people r ryining the game fir you by runing around with their sabre down being idiots, if they do it too long then kill tghem to ghet them angry thus they start attacking you, then you start having fun, so the word 'period' shouldnt be aplicable in that sentance, cos there is exeptions.




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Old 11-27-2003, 05:14 AM   #101
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I would say you dramatically overstate your own importance.
Perhaps. But every little bit helps!
And you sir, underestimate the true power of "moaning"

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The main issue here is the composition of the community at large, which, at least as identified by many of these people, features a majority of bow-obsessed assclowns. Either your efforts are precise and/or massive enough to be linked in a seriess of events to reduction of these players in the overall community or they aren't.

Or to put it another way: Do or do not. There is no try. Reapeted messageboard moaning definitely falls in the later category.
So in other words, if you aren't 100% successful, any improvement in the situation is meaningless? And any effort to effect change is worthless "moaning" if it isn't immediately and massively successful? I'm glad I don't think that way, or I'd never be able to cope with the multiple failures that often precede success, or with the glacial but steady pace of human progress.

I say the glass is half-full. You say it's half-empty, which to you is the same as totally empty, since it isn't full.

I'd still rather fight the good fight, because the emails I receive and the spontaneous unsolicited comments that I read in my servers' logs tell me I am "doing" (making a difference).

My response to defeatists and sideline-sitters:

Quote:
Originally posted by Theodore Roosevelt
"In the battle of life, it is not the critic who counts; nor the one who points out how the strong person stumbled, or where the doer of a deed could have done better.

The credit belongs to the person who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; who does actually strive to do deeds; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotion, spends oneself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who at worst, if he or she fails, at least fails while daring greatly.

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those timid spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."


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Old 11-27-2003, 06:18 AM   #102
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wow amidala you just ****ing owned him...

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Old 11-27-2003, 06:24 AM   #103
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I thought I'd contribute a story of my own...

This is a story about how some of you competetive players can be as bad as the honor players. The name of the player will not be revielded.

So this guy came in the JK3Files Server, and started playing the traditional style FFA, where you just attack everyone. I was the only admin in at the time. I started getting complaints of the player laming and chat killing. So I had to check it out. To my suprise, there he was... Laming me! So I showed my rule binds to him. Then some other player started to attack him and lured him away from me. So he has now seen the rules, so I expect him to obey them. I started to hear more complaints against him. I told him:

"we dont like to be attacked if our saber is turned off"

"Saber turned off = dont attack us! this is NOT a traditional FFA!"

He then responded by saying:

"Well I like to attack you and I dont acre about your gay code"

I put up my language rule bind. 'Gay' is not allowed there.

He then said:

"So I DONT CAYA"

"I DO WHAT I WANT"

So he has no respect for the rules or the people in it. So I used good ol' rcon.

The entire server cheered his kick.

Guys, please, respect the server rules.
wasn't a competitive player, thanks.

1. oldschool competitive saber only clans never play this game unless it is for a match. there are a total of two of those. these are the clans that would go around ****ing with honor nubs after they had started invading every server.

2. competitive gun clans only play on guns servers. there are 20 some of these clans.

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It is interesting to read all viewpoints, but the more I read, the sadder I get such consternation over what, a computer game.....

BTW, no one 'owns' anyone anymore, massa

Has anyone played the SP co-op mod yet ? I think we should pair an "honor dood" with a FFA Rambo, or anti-saberist, and let them use their respective strengths and weaknesses to vanquish foes !!

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[B]Perhaps. But every little bit helps!
And you sir, underestimate the true power of "moaning"
Do I? You mentioned earlier that one of these Raven Star Wars Quakes (I forget which) was your first online gaming experience. Is this also your first heavy involvement in a relatively large online gaming community? I'll tell you what. If you are still around in 3 years and the community of whatever ****pile LEC dumps on on us next is largely united in maturity and harmony, I'll concede 'defeat.' So knock yourself out.

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So in other words, if you aren't 100% successful, any improvement in the situation is meaningless?
No. Your words not mine. Meaningless to little Timmy who gets brief reprieve from his abusive dad by playing a quick game in a friendly, stable server environment? Certainly not. Meaningless in the context of the larger task at hand? Yes.

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My response to defeatists and sideline-sitters:

Originally posted by Theodore Roosevelt
"In the battle of life, it is not the critic who counts; nor the one who points out how the strong person stumbled, or where the doer of a deed could have done better.

The credit belongs to the person who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; who does actually strive to do deeds; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotion, spends oneself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement; and who at worst, if he or she fails, at least fails while daring greatly.

Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those timid spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat."
Two problems with applying this dramatic quote to your, erm, efforts:

1) I'm sure Teddy didn't have attempts to reform the online behavior of snot-nosed fanboy brats who already have the luxury of sitting around playing computer games on relatively expensive pieces of machinery in mind when he said a "worthy cause"

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2) running a handful of well-maintained servers and bitching on internet message boards is far from "daring greatly"-part of my original point. If you are indeed serious about changing the face of the JA community as much as you can it's going to take more than determination and the hope that your small efforts will trigger wide-spread reform- it's going to take some serious ingenuity and vision. I think my time in the trenches allows me the ability to offer such advice.
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Well I just called him "competetive" because he likes to actually fight. So what would have been the proper way to describe him?

Amidala is right. People who try to push their style of playing or rules on another server are just annoying. If people would use their brain, they'd learn which servers encourage their style of playing or with their rules and STAY THERE! Either that or just change how you play when you go to a different server with different rules (or no rules).
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competitive players ladder. people who just fight are just regular joes playing the game like they should be.

i said oldschool competitive clans because right now the saber only ladders are populated by mostly honor nubs. there are only four clans on there that i can think of playing it seriously that aren't going to bitch and disconnect mid match. those being SL (hi dc ) NewReb (very nice guys they deserve every win they get, and moreso) ap, and of course my clan

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I'll concede 'defeat.' So knock yourself out.
I have no interest in "defeating" you. You said:

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"Why do you do this to yourselves? It seems almost masochistic at times. Inquisitive minds want to know."
I am merely doing my best to answer your question. We find it to be useful, and in our opinion our "moaning" is having a positive effect. That we are not successful enough to suit you will not stop us from trying to improve things as we see it. If these threads annoy you so much, simply avoid them in the future. Who is forcing you to read and respond to them?

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No. Your words not mine. Meaningless to little Timmy who gets brief reprieve from his abusive dad by playing a quick game in a friendly, stable server environment? Certainly not. Meaningless in the context of the larger task at hand? Yes.
This is an excerpt from an email I received this morning:

"I want to be the first to tell you how gratefull and appreciative I am for your philosphy and your servers,..."

I receive many such emails. Yes, this is not success with "the larger task at hand", but a win is a win. Change is often incremental, rarely sweeping and massive.

And the "philosophy" this player appreciates was molded to a large extent by my fellow "moaners" on this forum.

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Two problems with applying this dramatic quote to your, erm, efforts:

1) I'm sure Teddy didn't have attempts to reform the online behavior of snot-nosed fanboy brats who already have the luxury of sitting around playing computer games on relatively expensive pieces of machinery in mind when he said a "worthy cause"

and

2) running a handful of well-maintained servers and bitching on internet message boards is far from "daring greatly"-part of my original point. If you are indeed serious about changing the face of the JA community as much as you can it's going to take more than determination and the hope that your small efforts will trigger wide-spread reform- it's going to take some serious ingenuity and vision. I think my time in the trenches allows me the ability to offer such advice.
Wow, such bitterness and contempt towards your fellow gamers. I admit some of them really annoy me, but I don't hate them as you seem to. Maybe you've been "in the trenches" too long.

I'm sorry my choice of quotes, as apparently everything else I do, is inadequate in your eyes. I promise I'll do better next time. As for "daring greatly", as Einstein might say, it's all relative. My point with the quote is that some of us are at least trying (and in my opinion having some success) to improve the situation. Tell me, other than sitting on the sidelines and mocking our efforts, what are you doing to effect the sweeping, global improvements you require as proof of success?

Which is the bigger waste of time, "moaning" on a forum, or writing posts criticizing "moaning" on forums?

As you formulate your response, I will let you have the last word, because this is already becoming repetitive. When people come to my servers and bitch about things, my regulars have a ready reply: "Don't like it? Then leave". Then they continue on enjoying themselves. I offer the same advice: if these threads annoy you so much, skip them. As I pointed out, no one is forcing you to read them, much less respond to them. We will continue on without you.

Oh, and BTW, Happy Thanksgiving!


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Feh. You cant doubt my motives or hazard guesses as to my intentions all you want. I offered my two cents, take it or leave it. Welcome to the internet. Good luck and enjoy.
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Well I think Amidala is doing a bang up job, I applaud her.
Usually when I check Amidala's ctf/ffa server is at the top 5 of the list when you search by # of players and ping, to me that makes a good server. The atmoshpere is great there, it's diverse, know what I mean.
Beside's it's is the only server run by a female, therefore my favorite.

"I'd still rather fight the good fight," - Amidala.
and that you are mi-lady, don't stop, your doing a great job and it shows. (btw: Are you single? j/k )
How many other folks have that popular of servers' in JA and JO, or spend that much time and money to keep servers running for people to play on when they don't even play that much, thats dedication and just plain out coolness, imho.

The simple fact, (that appears to me), is that she is doing this for other people to enjoy the game and that's sweet, good job.


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Ahh yes, those honor loving smacktards of the JK MP universe. It is because of these guys, who love to bunch into groups and apparantly just talk to each other, that I am CONVICED that is why the saberstaff has a 360 degree hitting kata.

It is because of these "honor" freaks that JKO MP collapsed and the forum community died. It is also because of these guys that I still proudly bear my ASC tag, and will do all I can to make these honor morons cry and whine. If I get banned from the server, so much the better.

The minute you join the server you are a combatant. Saber off does NOT equal peace. Saber off DOES equal, you are a moron, here's a saber through your head. Same thing for in game chatting.

If you bow to me, I will DFA you. No questions asked. I see you lower your saber and do that crap and you will get a saber through your head.

When I join a server, I come to kill, and if you're within saber reach, then you are a target.

I can agree to that statement, It's a game get inthere and go for gold, instead of crouching infront of the other person expecting them to do the same.





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Just got done playing TDM on Chop Shop Amidala. Heaping good fun--well done!

(has it really been two hours??? and not one single comment about being lame!)

I got a screenshot of an ENTIRE clan standing around chatting on a server. Chatting about how lame I was when I force pulled someone into a Vjun void. The loudest was, ironically, the biggest violator of his own rules--grip push into voids with his sabre down. Hows that for honor!

Feh, I thanked those who WOULD fight and left. All you can do.


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grip and push

So, gripping someone and then pushing them into the void, with saber off (the one doing the gripping), constitutes a huge breach of honor? That's what I thought. Because this has been done to me, I now agree with Dracofyre. If you are in an FFA server, and killing is going on, you might as well keep your saber up. I have no mercy on fools who stop mid-fight and saber down to go get armor and health, or think that keeping their saber off will get them one free hit with the blue lunge. D*mn that.


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good effort at trying to lighten up this thread K

Too much testosterone in here though.....

**goes off to blast his pecs and quads, then play JA MP**

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Yeah but man was he funny. :-)

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good effort at trying to lighten up this thread K

Too much testosterone in here though.....

**goes off to blast his pecs and quads, then play JA MP**

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Um, excuse me?

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