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Old 03-03-2004, 05:39 PM   #201
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One thing that REALLY makes me dislike gays is how touchy they are if you say even the slightest homophobic thing. Even in jest! If you mutter one little almost hardly noticable word, every gay, and gay-supporter on this forum runs and tries to bite your head off for it. Why do you guys over react so much?!
Homophobia is not to be taken lightly therefore we act on it. While I agree sometimes we overreact a bit, but there is no room for bigotous remarks, even in jest. You wouldn't want me to call you white trash even in jest.

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Yes, its wrong for highschool kids to beat them, and maybe they should be allowed to be with each other, infact, I like that idea, the more they are with each other, the less they are with me...
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Old 03-03-2004, 05:51 PM   #202
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I wouldn't mind being called white trash in jest. Its a joke, you don't mean it, so who cares?
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Old 03-03-2004, 06:10 PM   #203
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I wouldn't mind being called white trash in jest. Its a joke, you don't mean it, so who cares?
it's still offensive and tactless. that's the point.


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Old 03-03-2004, 08:03 PM   #204
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And gays take jokes as well as anyone, as long as it's someone they know. It's like when a pair of friends of different races can use racial slurs to each other and not be offended. It's just a joke. But when some random person refers to everythign as Gay and calls homosexuals fags.....well, I get upset, as should they.

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And I don't go around ridiculeing gays. If they hit on me, I'll 'hit on them' if you get my point.
I dont undersand, why do all homophobic men assume that every gay man on earth wants to hit on them? And lets pretend that they DID hit on you. HOLY crap, all you have to do is say, sorry man, i'm straight. Done, they're not going to pursue it because they aren't retarded.
How would you feel if you went up to a woman and hit on her, but it turned out she was a lesbian, and found men offensive, so she punched you in the face?



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Old 03-03-2004, 08:27 PM   #205
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Well, for one thing, it has happened... *sigh* Its insulting becouse they can't tell. They're suppose to be able to tell there own kind from straight guys, or so they claim. If one hits on you, then it means you've clearly done something to make them think you are gay. I suppose I shouldn't hit them, I should hit myself for whatever I did to make them think that...

Well, if a lesbian hit me, I might laugh. Becouse it would be sorta funny when you think about it...But still, straight people are the majority, and when a man see's a woman ( Who I'm asumeing isn't a butch type, if she was, then the guy who hit on her deserved the punch. ) he asumes she's straight for that reason. But gay's are quite a bit rarer than straight people. They should be careful. Male gays, are for the most part, pretty abvious, so women don't tend to hit on them, so thats not an issue.
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Old 03-03-2004, 09:00 PM   #206
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Can you tell the difference between a gay man and a straight man if the gay man isn't flaming? Or a lesbian and a straight woman? It's not like we put off straight and gay pheromones that we can pick up on.
And WHY would it be funny if you hit on a lesbian, but it ISNT funny if a gay man hits on you?



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Old 03-03-2004, 09:08 PM   #207
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What gets me with things like jokes or flames or insults or whatever, is that so many people get so offended and/or defensive, but have no problem directing insults and hatred and applying generalizations of evil to any Christian who stands up for what they believe.

I believe that homosexuality is wrong. I believe that it is a sin (and no, Kain, being born is not a sin). But all I have to do is say that, and a string of insults and assumptions are aimed at me.

People who beat or kill homosexuals should have the book thrown at them. Throw them in jail. Hate crimes are wrong, no matter what the perpetrator uses to justify their acts.

I heard on the radio today that people in Oregon are protesting gay marriages there. The audio clip they played was of protestors shouting insults at gay couples.
First off, these people aren't convincing anyone of anything, except maybe to hate Christians...souting insults is no way to carry on a debate.
Second, it's just wrong. It's hateful and mean-spirited. These people don't seem to have a grasp on Christian Love.

Then there's this remark made by Kain in the
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You would think that Christian's(what with their anti-gay mindsets) would be happy to watch AIDs jump from homosexual to homosexual and watch the entire mess of em die off in an agonizing manner(well, maybe not ALL Christians, but fundamentalists for sure). Way to love your fellow man.
Seeing as how I am considered a fundamentalist by many on this forum (or, at the very least, I have been called such), I could choose to be extremely offended by this. However, I know who I am, and I know that this is not what I believe.
People who do believe something like this should be institutionalized (in other words, send them to the loony bin).

I have to agree with many of you...I am also tired of hearing of so-called Christians beating or killing or berating homosexuals. They aparently have no concept of what Christianity is truly about, and they are an insult to the rest of us who practice our religion peacefully.
But I also get tired of having generalizations haphazardly flung upon me because I am not afraid to state what I believe.

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I honestly wonder if the people of America on both sides of this debate have the maturity to conduct it "without bitterness or anger."
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Old 03-03-2004, 09:11 PM   #208
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I personally find it flattering when a gay guy hits on me, I just tell them I'm not gay and thank them for the compliment sometimes even buy them a drink.
And saying all gay men are trying to "get you" in a sense is like saying all women want you. It's just unrealistic and egotistical. And as ET pointed out, unless the guy is flaming noone knows, look at elton john he went unknown for about 2 decades then he came out of the closet and wammo.

I don't see why you think retaliating to a man hitting on you with violence does justice. What if a woman you hit on swung at you not because she was gay but just because she didn't like you?

and you wonder why we "overreact", it's because you threaten violence just becacuse someone finds you attractive but they happen to not be of your liking.

also, not all lesbians have a mullet or crew cut and wear flannel vests and blue jeans. Some look like your "average" woman.


PS: I hate to have used the term average woman, but it seems to be the only way i could get my point across.


rccar, I have to disagree with you. You are by far the most repsectable person on the "other side" here. You use non violent expressions and big words.
While I dont' always agree with you, I respect you alot. I hope you realize that. And I respect your standing up for your beliefs, not many people can do that with as much dignity as you have shown.


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Old 03-03-2004, 09:21 PM   #209
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I said I wouldn't hit them already, gah. Also, I completely agree with Rccar's post. Christians, true christians behave peacefully. They may not agree with homosexuality, but they won't go killing them, or injuring them.

Also, I didn't say me hitting on a lesbian would be funny, I said getting hit by one I hit on would be funny, read my posts, would you?
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Old 03-03-2004, 09:22 PM   #210
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What gets me with things like jokes or flames or insults or whatever, is that so many people get so offended and/or defensive, but have no problem directing insults and hatred and applying generalizations of evil to any Christian who stands up for what they believe.
I would like to point out that I have NEVER attacked ANYONE for being Christian, as I am actually....I guess I'm a pseudo-christian. I dont agree with all of the teachings, but I still hold some of the beliefs..



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Old 03-03-2004, 10:25 PM   #211
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Well, I beleave in God aswell. I don't hate gays, I just don't care to be around them, becouse...well I won't say, as it will only gain me more flames from some of the more hot headed posters.
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Old 03-04-2004, 12:40 AM   #212
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They don't hang over each other any more than a straight couple do. In fact, it seems to me that the heteros are by far the more touchy feely group. At least in public.



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Old 03-04-2004, 01:38 AM   #213
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Yes, but as horrible as this might sound to you guys, when hetero's do it, its 'normal'.
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Old 03-04-2004, 02:01 AM   #214
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You know what's also normal? Syrup on pancakes. Some people don't put syrup on their pancakes. Shall we say that all people who eat pancakes without syrup shouldn't be allowed to marry other people who eat pancakes with no syrup?



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Old 03-04-2004, 02:21 AM   #215
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Yes, but as horrible as this might sound to you guys, when hetero's do it, its 'normal'.
Homosexuality is observed in nature all the time, stop using the void argument of normal and natural.


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Old 03-04-2004, 02:27 AM   #216
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Pardon? So there are gay deers now? That must have slipped by me...
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It's an observable fact that there are wild animals who exhibit homosexual behavior.



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Pardon? So there are gay deers now? That must have slipped by me...
Many species of the animal kingdom routinely and predictably demonstrate homosexual and bisexual behavior. Most notably bonabo monkeys and dolphins. The former have very complex relationships that center around homosexual/bisexual ties that appear to serve the purpose of empowering the female of the species. Whatever the reason, politics seems to be the main focus of the relationships.

If you doubt what I'm saying, I can provide some sources that you can obtain from your school library.

I have personally observed oral sex between orangutans (males) and have photographic record of the event if interested.

But the short of it is: yes, homosexuality is natural.


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Old 03-04-2004, 02:46 AM   #219
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Old 03-04-2004, 02:55 AM   #220
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I have personally observed oral sex between orangutans (males) and have photographic record of the event if interested.
That was at the ft. worth zoo right? I remember I saw the male orangutans having sex with eachother then proceeded to mate with the females. Apparently it's some sort of symbolic fertile sign.


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I am not even going to ask where you saw that, SkinWalker, only that it really freaks me out to imagen it... o.O
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it really freaks me out to imagen it... o.O
Because it debunks your homosexuality isn't natural argument?



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I find it strange that the image of two orangutangs blowing each other DOESN'T freak you out...
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I find it strange that the image of two orangutangs blowing each other DOESN'T freak you out...
They need lovin somehow.


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I am not even going to ask where you saw that, SkinWalker, only that it really freaks me out to imagen it... o.O
Hmmm.... I don't understand "freaks me out." What does this mean in that context? I suppose if one applied human sexuality hangups and fears along with various taboos (societal, religiocentric, and familial as well as personal taboos), one could become "freaked out."

But I didn't enter the observation looking through those lenses. I was gathering data (I'm an Anthropology/Archaeology major).

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They're just animals doing what animals will. Yeesh.



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Yeah but I didn't know animals did THAT. I mean, I admit, I knew about gay animals, but not that they had oral sex, that one is defenatly new to me...
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Pardon? So there are gay deers now? That must have slipped by me...
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So what now Hiroki? Now that you realize homosexuality is a part of nature, are you still so strongly against it? Or are you never going to be swayed to the side of common human decency?
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Kain, if 'commen human decency' means makeing friends with them, hanging out with them, palling around with them, and all of that, then I will never be swayed that way. Don't even try. But I never hated them, and I never wished them any harm at all. So I don't see what the problem is.
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You want to ban them from getting marrried. That is one problem.



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Huh? Where did I say that?
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My appologies, I had you confused with the myriad of other anti-gay rights people around here.

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Kain, if 'commen human decency' means makeing friends with them, hanging out with them, palling around with them, and all of that, then I will never be swayed that way. But I never hated them
Oh...my...god...

Honostly, what has a gay person EVER done to you to make you so...so...so hateful? You claim to not hate them, but that entire post is one huge hypocracy. They're human beings for crying out loud, but you'd treat them like the dirt under your feet if you could(atleast, thats what I've gathered from your posts). You asked me why I defend them so passionantly. So I ask you, why are you against them existing?

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I gave you my reason! I posted it somewhere up there, look for it. I don't hate gays, I hold nothing againts them, they can do there thing, but all I ask is that I am allowed to do mine. You have no right to tell me the way I live is wrong, becouse its just your opinion. You honestly piss me off by asumeing things about me, that you don't understand the half of. You know what they say about asumeing, right?

Gays are human, yes, they are worth just as much as me, or any other human, but there are alot of humans that I do not wish to be friends with. You're defenatly one by now, after how hard of a time you've given me after a simple question I asked. Well I am posting here no more, if I can't share my opinions without you trying to convert me, then theres no point.

Honestly Kain, you are like the Jehova's witness of homosexuality.
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Whoa whoa whoa WHOA!! Damn Hiroki for a guy who ASSUMED I was a gay non-white guy, you sure do get a bit angry when I assume something of you.

I wasn't telling you HOW to live your life, I was stating that its ignorant not be friends with someone because they're different from you.

And Gays don't have a problem with heteros, its the other way around, although you're obviously changing your story as we go along on this little marry-go-round of debate.

I would quote some rather interesting remarks I recall you making from the white males thread, but you've deleted them, probably assuming(theres that word again) that I'd use them here to prove my case.

And I never did find you're reasons for being homophobic...oh, because you avoided it that last couple of times I called you out on it. Shame that you can ask me why I'm for gay marriages, but I can't ask you why you're against them without you leaving. The typical response of a Christian Fundamentalist whos been called out, but won't face the spotlight.
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Funny, all the times you've asked me to explain, and my actual explanation have been deleted, if you haven't noticed. I guess some admin thought my reason too contraversial. Gah. I'll just PM it to you then.
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Kain, its too long for a PM. Whats your e-mail?
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hey, i want to know what your reason is too!!!
It is rather unfulfilling to not hear the end of something you have been discussing, and I have never yet receved an answer better than "cos it is wrong" from anyone that might understand what, other than cultural bias, might cause someone to believe something so strongly.

It would seem fairly likely that at least one person you know is gay, would you then just stop talking to them if you found out? Blank them in the street? Would they be different somehow now that you know?



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Sorry, complain to your local admins. I did post it, but they must have found something wrong with it, becouse its gone now.
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