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Old 11-27-2003, 09:58 PM   #1
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Want hardcore JA game play?

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Hex and the =X= mod crew are back in biz and like they did in Jedi Outcast, they are dedicated in putting out a serious competition mod that addresses game play issues instead of focusing on Yoda models and kissing emotes.

In Outcast =X= mod was one of the most updated mods made. They constantly were listening to the competitive community and making tweaks and adjustments so as to bring the game play as close to perfect as possible, and Im sure it wont be any different in Academy.

So for those of you who run servers and feel that the force/saber aspects of Academy are just too simplistic and mundane to provide a true serious competitive environment, keep an eye on this mod and consider running it on your servers once the full version goes live.

A lot of things still need to be done, but their main goal is the removal of a lot of the nerfing that was done from the Outcast to Academy transition, as well as just plain tightening up a lot of the sloppy, random game play that is present in base JA.


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Old 11-27-2003, 10:10 PM   #2
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I am not an Elite competitive player, but I am glad to hear the competitive community will be firing back up in JA!

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Old 11-27-2003, 10:12 PM   #3
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Yawn.... Next.


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Old 11-27-2003, 10:15 PM   #4
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Any idea if/when this is available for download? Also I know it's made by players who know basically everything about the sabers/force side of the game, but, any changes to anything that'll effect Guns play?

I know I could go and play it hehe, but it's a US server and well, I'm not into jka enough anymore to go and play somewhere with high ping. :x


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Old 11-27-2003, 10:17 PM   #5
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Meh. This title is by default provocative and laughable, but I digress. Why not rename it to: "Want Jedi Academy turned Jedi Outcast gameplay? Join here!" So much more.. true.


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Old 11-27-2003, 10:51 PM   #6
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do me a favor, go start a "who would win in a fight: master yoda or spider-man?" thread over in the swamp and gtfo of this thread.

this thread was to inform the general public as well as server admins, that this mod provides an alternative for players who dislike the sloppy, random and insanely simplistic Full Force Saber Only game play in Academy.

You want to run around pretending to be darth Chewbacca?

Great, more power to you, have fun.

But the fact remains there are a hell of a lot of people bought this game and didn't like all the nerfing, and hence this mod turns things up a notch and gives them back more complex game play.


Like I said, you don't like it, gtfo of here.


check out the mods progress here:

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the =X= guys are very supportive when it comes to player feedback, find a bug? Tell them. Feel some tweaks are needed here and there? Same thing.


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Old 11-27-2003, 11:03 PM   #7
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Now now child, while i expected such a response the fact of the matter is that you are basically turning JA into JO. Hell, you practically admit it in the post.

To describe turning JA into JO as 'hardcore' (LOL) JA gameplay is thus by default plain idiotic and actually fairly provocative. Be honest to yourselves and rename the title to something more to the point as I described above.

That response is also doubly stupid as most people who know me will say that your generalization of me is so way off it's funny. I make it a point to hunt down the people you described.

I have the right to my opinion, and it is also not in your power to tell me to not state it here. So do yourself a favor and cut the bull.


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Old 11-27-2003, 11:39 PM   #8
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No thank you, i don't plan on playing JO MP ever.

JA MP is fine, minor bugs and glitchs...but everything else is fine IMHO, have fun with you "Jedi Out-ademy MP" though.
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Old 11-27-2003, 11:50 PM   #9
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Sounds like some of us want to turn this game into Counter-Strike or Quake 3... How about we play the game for what it is? Star Wars. It's a game where you swing lightsabers, it's original enough. Even if it's not 'optimized' to meet your needs, it still keeps most of us from watching paint dry all day.
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Old 11-28-2003, 12:32 AM   #10
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No thank you, i don't plan on playing JO MP ever.

JA MP is fine, minor bugs and glitchs...but everything else is fine IMHO, have fun with you "Jedi Out-ademy MP" though.
That make me chuckle.


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Old 11-28-2003, 12:34 AM   #11
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To me, Unnamed was simply letting those interested in high level competition know about a server to play on and mentioned the issues being solved that concerns those players.

I'm glad to see the possibility of JA actually having a high level competitive community in its future. Why are some of you so threatened by that?

geeesh...

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Old 11-28-2003, 12:39 AM   #12
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Oh i don't really care about the so-called elite community.

I simply do not like the ridiculously elitist tone he is setting. Hardcore JA MP that happens to look suspiciously like JO Reloaded? Surrre.


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Old 11-28-2003, 12:47 AM   #13
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I simply do not like the ridiculously elitist tone he is setting. Hardcore JA MP that happens to look suspiciously like JO Reloaded? Surrre.
Well said. I don't have a problem with it either, but he could tone it down a notch. Personally, I see nothing wrong with JA the way it is.. No reason to diss the game, making it seem like it's not good enough for the truly skilled players.
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Old 11-28-2003, 12:47 AM   #14
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Oh i don't really care about the so-called elite community.

I simply do not like the ridiculously elitist tone he is setting. Hardcore JA MP that happens to look suspiciously like JO Reloaded? Surrre.
If you don't really care, you would not be posting repeatedly
on this thread. Sounds to me like your flame baiting. Oh well to each their own.

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Old 11-28-2003, 12:51 AM   #15
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If you don't really care, you would not be posting repeatedly
on this thread. Sounds to me like your flame baiting.
That would work.. except i haven't thrown a single insult in this entire thread. I was giving my overall opinion of his attitude and the idea.

It would also work if i didn't state my qualifier. How unfortunate for what you say, as said qualifier shoots it down mercilessly. Try not to ignore qualifiers next time..


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Old 11-28-2003, 12:54 AM   #16
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To me, Unnamed was simply letting those interested in high level competition know about a server to play on and mentioned the issues being solved that concerns those players.

I'm glad to see the possibility of JA actually having a high level competitive community in its future. Why are some of you so threatened by that?

geeesh...

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Old 11-28-2003, 12:55 AM   #17
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You are entitled to your opinion, I won't kill you for it... Unless of course you seem ridiculously elitist in the prospect...


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Old 11-28-2003, 12:59 AM   #18
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That would work.. except i haven't thrown a single insult in this entire thread. I was giving my overall opinion of his attitude and the idea.

It would also work if i didn't state my qualifier. How unfortunate for what you say, as said qualifier shoots it down mercilessly. Try not to ignore qualifiers next time..
LOL. I don't need a qualifier. I never said you used any insults, I said you were baiting him.

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Old 11-28-2003, 01:01 AM   #19
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Not the intent, simply a statement of my views. You also must admit he reacted somewhat badly...


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Old 11-28-2003, 01:03 AM   #20
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I make it a point to hunt down the people you described.

You don't want us coming back. Trust me.
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Not the intent, simply a statement of my views. You also must admit he reacted somewhat badly...
I will admit that he took the bait, yes.

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Old 11-28-2003, 01:06 AM   #22
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im more interested in hard core singleplayer cuz its too easy i want consant jedi battles like double or triple what chandrilas like
when i looked at KOTOR screen shots it looked like this but it isnt a FPS i goes "command your party around the star wars universe" sound fimiar to anyone? (dungeon siege) to me it seems like one of those games where u click the enemy ur guy does a flashy move and u think WOW COOL then in half an hour u get bored of it


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I will admit that he took the bait, yes.
Again, not intended as bait.


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I have no idea what you're talking about Syzerian.
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Old 11-28-2003, 01:47 AM   #25
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uhh yeah.... whatever.




Like I said, many people disliked changes such as:

-The removal of double tap kicks
-Force pool restrictions for basic special moves
-The grip line of sight restriction
-Ghoul2 2 hit detection in Multiplayer
-The restrictions on the player roll move

Because those changes slowed the pace of the game down considerably and eliminated a lot of combos and the potential for new combo/move development (due to the various restrictions in place for a lot of things now).

Hence, people wanted faster more complex game play and turned to a mod that was supported by the competitive community in Jedi Outcast.

How I'm taking an "elitist" attitude is beyond me, I simply was informing people there are now other options at their disposal.

And considering the very large volume of disgruntled posts and threads people have made on these very forums regarding their dislike for the game play changes in Academy multiplayer, it's obvious there is an audience for this mod and what it's going to do.


And as for "hunting me down"....

yeah ok, sure.... just please don't tell me you wear boba fett pj's while you play this game. That kind of stuff creeps me out.


But if you would like a match with me in either Outcast or Academy, I would be more than happy to oblige you, just post a challenge on our forums and we can set it up.

http://fk.fragwhore.com/gl-bin/forum/

I'm totally sure you will drop by and make that challenge though...



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Old 11-28-2003, 01:58 AM   #26
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...You misread my post buddy. I meant i hunt down the Darth Chewbacca wannabes. Nor am I at all interested in a match.

Nor am I interested in arguing with you... It doesn't help you didn't exactly disprove what i said anyway...


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I'm glad to see the possibility of JA actually having a high level competitive community in its future. Why are some of you so threatened by that?

geeesh...



They can't hang with anything more complex than holding down mouse1.

It's as simple as that.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but it's the truth.

Remember guys, all of the whining about DFA's, back stabs and kicks was not coming from our camp... we were totally able to deal with them.

Now as for not wanting this mod to catch on?

Ask yourself when was the last time you saw a competitive player getting his ass kicked on public servers in Outcast?

It simply didn't happen.


When guys from clans like ours or [div3rse] would "pub" (play on public servers) it was pure murder.


Outcast had much more complex game play and mechanics because of the lack of restrictions put on powers/moves etc.

No one is saying we want to remove anything from Academy that was added (beyond the nerfs).

Now once the nerfs are gone, not only can all of the old combos be done again, many, many new ones can be created.

Grip-kick into a roll+stab finish?

That's just plain brutal... and now possible.

That's what I mean by hardcore game play, more options at ones disposal = more complexity and in turn, players being more creative with move/combo development.


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You just proved my entire point for me with the first three lines. As for me, I don't hold the button like a mindless drone. In fact you can ask Kaia, Corto, and Wudan about my public statements of those types of players.

And for the record, I learned how to dodge all of the things you mentioned (And out of sheer spite used Dark Rage and blue backstab to wreak havoc).


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I just want to say to those of you who are "putting your money where your mouth is" with the complaints about JA, I am proud of you.

And best of luck!


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Well, at least they're doing what they set out to do. I at LEAST wouldn't mind kick back...


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hunter/seeker/abuser/stalker/beater are all taken, think up a decent name and you're in.


server is going up soon too.


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Waaaiiittt, what is so dodgy about JA 1.01's hit detection, besides the fact that at lag it completely evades all forms of coherence?


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not only can all of the old combos be done again, many, many new ones can be created.

sounds great, can't wait.
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You just proved my entire point for me with the first three lines. As for me, I don't hold the button like a mindless drone. In fact you can ask Kaia, Corto, and Wudan about my public statements of those types of players.

And for the record, I learned how to dodge all of the things you mentioned (And out of sheer spite used Dark Rage and blue backstab to wreak havoc).

good for you, now go away if you have nothing to contribute.


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Oh and let's knock off the flames & flame-baiting (you know who you are).


Now that the SDK is out, we finally have a chance to make peace and resolve this. Let the folks who said they could improve JA give it a shot and let's see what they come up with. Can't be any harm in that can there?

And if it ends up not being what you want, simply don't use the mod (or make yourself a better one). Simple! Everybody wins!


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Old 11-28-2003, 02:15 AM   #37
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Hey thx for the info , I've been waiting for a mod like this forever now. How do I get this? Do I dl it, or is it a server-side thing?

I agree, I liked the gameplay of JO better it was fast paced like Quake3 or something. This is a dream come true for me at least. Can't wait to play this. Thx

Oh btw, Does this mod do anything to make weapons strong again? Maybe it's just me but it seems like some weapons don't do as much damage as they used to, or it could just be the hit detection thing that you referred to.
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Oh and let's knock off the flames & flame-baiting (you know who you are).


Now that the SDK is out, we finally have a chance to make peace and resolve this. Let the folks who said they could improve JA give it a shot and let's see what they come up with. Can't be any harm in that can there?

And if it ends up not being what you want, simply don't use the mod (or make yourself a better one). Simple! Everybody wins!
Personally, I think you'd be interested in whatsome people I know (Hush hush, not supposed to talk) are going to come up with. Some people are gonna be pissed, but if it works and catches on it'll be the END of the fools who hold down Attack.


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haha uj.
<-- method from ET.

you know stalker? he only got that name after i was talking about milf clan at his house while we were playing.

ps. i own him

and for you ja ppl, xmod2 isnt made to turn jamp into jomp but rather to make jamp as enjoyable as jomp, not to mention add at least 1 notch of skill to the game.

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