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Old 12-10-2003, 09:49 PM   #1
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Official Jedi Academy Bonus Map-Pack released!

http://www.3dgamers.com/news/more/1071080051/

Coolness... 6 new maps! no new siege maps but oh well....Thanks Raven!


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Old 12-10-2003, 09:54 PM   #2
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too bad about siege, but this sounds GREAT!

Jedi Academy Bonus maps from Raven Sofware


6 New Maps:

duel_bonus1 - Coruscant
ctf_bonus1 - Rift of Shadows
ffa_bonus1 - Gas Mine
ffa_bonus2 - The Fortress
ffa_bonus3 - Conquest of Byss
ffa_bonus4 - Ord Mantell Canyon

i'll get some screenies of them up tomorrow since it's kinda late now...


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Old 12-10-2003, 10:01 PM   #3
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Whoa! This is a big surprise! Early Christmas present?

Thanks Raven!


PS: Good to see that LucasFiles has posted this so fast!

http://www.lucasfiles.com/index.php?...4f956858e92c31


The LF file is a zip, but you can rename it to EXE to install. Getting mine now, but I'll have to give it a run after finals! I may just have to insert these into my server's rotation!


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Old 12-10-2003, 10:13 PM   #4
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A better idea would be to include them in 1.02, since many people don't tend to find out about this.


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Old 12-10-2003, 10:15 PM   #5
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They should have made a Christmas Themed map.

Well, thanks Raven....though they should really make some more CTF maps...

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A better idea would be to include them in 1.02, since many people don't tend to find out about this.
Who's to say there is going to be a 1.02 ?
I doubt there will be, there not going to make the same mistakes as they did with JK2.
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Old 12-10-2003, 10:17 PM   #6
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W00t! More maps! YAYAYAYAYA!!






Erm, I like it




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Old 12-10-2003, 10:21 PM   #7
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Heh just played all of those maps, two of them are pretty poorly done (the gas one and some other one which i forgot) but the rest are decent (love the duel map). Oh yeah and the Canyon map seems to have not too many weapons laid out.


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Old 12-10-2003, 10:23 PM   #8
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Well it is labelled as a "bonus pack" and though it's called "official" (by that I assume it was made by somebody at Raven), it also says it's 'provided as is' and 'not endorsed by Lucasarts.'


They probably figured instead of making us wait for the lengthy process of getting approval from LA and permission to release a new patch they just decided to let us have the maps.

I wonder how the bot routing is?

I've added them to the rotations on my server, and I'm going to check them out tonight!


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Old 12-10-2003, 10:24 PM   #9
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K I just tried them all out and I have to say that the Ord Mantell FFA map is amazing! It's completely massive (biggest official JA map I've seen - even more so than JK2's Nar Shadaa Streets!) and tons of room to explore and high places. Plus there are nifty little waterfalls. The other 3 FFA maps are decent but nothing spectacular if you ask me. The CTF map (basically a MP version of the "tomb" Demo) is insanely massive as well though sort of linear...And the Coruscant duel map is awesome looking and is ideal I guess for duelers!

Good job Raven! Thanks again!


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Old 12-10-2003, 11:10 PM   #10
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Lot of secrets on these maps... Rift of Shadows for example.. smash the cracked walls for secret areas (Force Boon + Merr Sonn).

Conquest of Byss has some breakable glass and you can turn off the Force Field (switch by the Disruptor up the elevator).


I also love how three of the maps have Concussion Rifles! ('bout time too, before only one map: Vjun Sentinel (ffa1) had it, unless you count the Merc Heavy Weapons on Siege_Desert).

Rift of Shadows CTF -----> Conc (finally in CTF)!
Gas Mines ------> Conc!
Conquest of Byss -------> Conc!

Lots of eye candy too. Thanks Raven!


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Old 12-11-2003, 12:40 AM   #11
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Old 12-11-2003, 06:05 AM   #12
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And another...

http://www.lucasfiles.com/index.php?...ow=screenshots


Btw, that link also has some level shots, if you want to see what they look like.

Hints:

To find the Concussion Rifle on Gas Mine (ffa_bonus1) go to the tallest "Tower" on the map (on the top floor inside you'll find the Disruptor) then head DOWN the lifts until you get to the bottom.

Then exit and go around the walkway surrounding the "tower" (should be the lowest level surrounded by void) and you'll find the Concy, yay!

The Concussion Rifle on Rift of Shadows (ctf_bonus1) is by one of those large, unopenable doors on the inner sides of the huge "building" you're inside, but I forget which one.

The Concy on Conquest of Byss (ffa_bonus3) is behind some boxes, but I'd have to play the map again to find the exact spot.


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Old 12-11-2003, 11:24 AM   #13
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I was getting terrible fps on Canyons and some of the texture shaders were obviously not working. Anyone else have that problem?


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Old 12-11-2003, 12:54 PM   #14
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I was getting terrible fps on Canyons and some of the texture shaders were obviously not working. Anyone else have that problem?

If anybody will, it'll probably be me..... so I'm gonna check it out..... 10 min. left in the download tho


hahahah.... yeah....
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Old 12-11-2003, 01:42 PM   #15
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I just played though all of them, and Raven sure knows how to make a sniper heaven. You can hide anywhere. Its insane. I liek the duel map, its good, the Gas map, I didn't like as much as the others, but its ok.

Thanks for the present Raven




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Old 12-11-2003, 01:59 PM   #16
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A better idea would be to include them in 1.02, since many people don't tend to find out about this.
Your assuming there will be a 1.02

My favorite is Ord Mantell Canyon. And yeah, the gas mine map and one other is horrid.

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Old 12-11-2003, 02:57 PM   #17
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loved the ctf map!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wow, the blue base is beautifull, and the ball thing were the flag is so ut2003, which is good! all the maps rocked, cept for the gas mine and um, fortress one
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Old 12-11-2003, 03:02 PM   #18
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Your assuming there will be a 1.02
Indeed. I expect that there won't be one.

Can't wait to try these maps out tonight! Thanks Raven!
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Old 12-11-2003, 03:35 PM   #19
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This really rules, I gotta say Raven prove once again that they care about the little people Really good timing with that Ord Mantell map too....


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Old 12-11-2003, 04:05 PM   #20
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Your assuming there will be a 1.02
Something strange\interesting happened on Chop Shop CTF-FFA about a week before the Bonus Map Pack was released. Someone named "Raven Software 1.01 Tester" came on the server and started asking players for their opinions on things. You can see that everyone was skeptical about the person being legitimate, but this person said some interesting things. I include a transcript below so you can judge for yourselves. There was a lot of asking for new maps, and lo and behold, less than a week later the Bonus Map pack was released. Hmmm, probably just a coincidence.
This person also mentions the 1.02 patch a few times. If you don't want to read the whole thing, scroll down to the last 4 lines:


Raven Software 1.01 Tester," hello everyone. i hope you won't mind me here, while i test how dismemberment enhancers work in online multiplayer!"
]eVe[The Pink Panther, serious
Windigo, yea mm hmm
SnipaDeath, lol
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, lol
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," believe what you want, i'm only here to test things, not to argue."
]eVe[The Pink Panther, can we make suggestions
]eVe[The Pink Panther, if you are real
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," i'm afraid not, i'm here to test."
]eVe[The Pink Panther, aah
]eVe[The Pink Panther, right
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, has anyone encountered troubles with online dismembering since the 1.01 patch was released?
SnipaDeath, no
]eVe[The Pink Panther, sometimes the body part isn't all there
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," good, good."
]eVe[The Pink Panther, like
Windigo, online dismemberment lol
]eVe[The Pink Panther, you just see a gap
SnipaDeath, lol
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, ok- anyone willing to be a 'test subject'?
SnipaDeath, ???
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, ?
Windigo, is there a differenve between online and offline?
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, does anyone wish do volunteer to try dismembering?
]eVe[The Pink Panther, we are dismembering now
SnipaDeath, lol-like u kill me???
Windigo, we have plenty of volunteers
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, ohh.... well i can..
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," ok, but i want to dismember others, to test how it works in certain conditions."
Windigo, i think youre psychotic
SnipaDeath, lol-if u can kill me-lol
]eVe[The Pink Panther, so jump around and try and kill something
SnipaDeath, there-it works-lol
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," this isn't going well at all, is it?"
SnipaDeath, c ur arm off?-lol
]eVe[The Pink Panther, dude try and hit something
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, lol
]eVe[The Pink Panther, what is better than a real time test
Emperor_Hunter {N}, how do you dismember?
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," ok, i'm not a 'dude' i'm a woman. thank you."
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine,
]eVe[The Pink Panther, you didn't identify that to me
Windigo, still a dude
]eVe[The Pink Panther, how am i supposed to know
Windigo, i call women dudes
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, gg
Windigo, lol
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, lol
CaTTaleya, lol windigo
Emperor_Hunter {N}, how do you dismember?
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, hit someone
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, lol
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, teams!?!?!?!?!?
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, i never knew jedi academy online play was so... uncivilised!
]eVe[The Pink Panther," yeah, because the tester isn't a real person"
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, lol
]eVe[The Pink Panther, woman
Emperor_Hunter {N}, so how do you dismember?
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, lol
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, lol
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, look at teams
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," ok, i won't argue with you, guys, but, if you want improvements in the jedi academy 1.02 patch, please co-operate!"
]eVe[The Pink Panther, what do you want
SnipaDeath, we will still win
]eVe[The Pink Panther, we want more maps
]eVe[The Pink Panther, the dismemberment is fine
Saskei, thanks
]eVe[The Pink Panther, we could be able to cut folks up in more little pieces
]eVe[The Pink Panther, that would be cool
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," as in, dislocate hands & feet?"
]eVe[The Pink Panther, yeah
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, i see....
]eVe[The Pink Panther, or cut the bodis in 3 parts
]eVe[The Pink Panther, bodies
]eVe[The Pink Panther, ie when you do a combo
]eVe[The Pink Panther, more body parts should come off
]eVe[The Pink Panther, it should corelate better to the combo
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," i see, so destroying body parts while still doing a combination attack?"
]eVe[The Pink Panther, if possiblew
]eVe[The Pink Panther, yeah
]eVe[The Pink Panther, possible
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, i think it can be....
Emperor_Hunter {N}, with the new patch you cant use cheats on single platya
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, cool!!
Emperor_Hunter {N}, and uwaine is a lamer
]eVe[The Pink Panther, i know that you have no control over this
]eVe[The Pink Panther, but please tell your superiors we want more maps
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," you can use cheat is the single player mode, though 'devmapall' has been disabled due to many glitches"
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, anything else you want to ee happen in 1the 1.02 patch?
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, multiple duels
SnipaDeath, brb
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, that is already possible
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, k
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," it requires a strong server, though."
]eVe[The Pink Panther," if possible, some new weapons"
FR33D0M, raven u patch questioning
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, i'm afraid new weapons are unavailable.
FR33D0M, i want kick for alla sabres
]eVe[The Pink Panther," oh well, just maps"
FR33D0M, yeah maps maps maps
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, any maps from jedi knight
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, ffa maps from jedi outcast
FR33D0M, more imaginative maps
]eVe[The Pink Panther," i tell you, i think you hit on a great idea with siege"
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, more siege maps
]eVe[The Pink Panther, just needs more content
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," please say, pink panther...."
SnipaDeath, seige sux my ass-btw
FR33D0M, tbh siege is boring
SnipaDeath, yes it is
]eVe[The Pink Panther, like more missions
FR33D0M, i prefer duel
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, siege is nice...
]eVe[The Pink Panther, akin to the movies
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, do you ever find seige to have a high server ping?
FR33D0M, yes
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, very
]eVe[The Pink Panther, not on a good server
FR33D0M, always
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, some new jedi powers?
FR33D0M, i was on a server i was 5 seconds behind
FR33D0M, force freeze
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," yes, that is being looked into for 1.02, de-clogging seige maps for smoother play."
]eVe[The Pink Panther, it still has some bugs
FR33D0M, where u immobilize people
]eVe[The Pink Panther, but it is a great concept
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," yes, i agree."
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, yeah forve freeze!
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, force*
FR33D0M, i would say siege needs to be mor eimaginative
]eVe[The Pink Panther, if we could get some siege maps from episode 4
]eVe[The Pink Panther, that would be cool
]eVe[The Pink Panther, or empire
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," ok, let us get this straight, no new weapons, force powers or vehicles will be included in any of the following jedi academy patches, sorry."
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, academy patches- sorry.

]eVe[The Pink Panther, there are plenty of battles in those movies you can
FR33D0M, yes more vehicles in ffa
]eVe[The Pink Panther, take from
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, force freeze could be nice...
]eVe[The Pink Panther, for siege
FR33D0M, yeah i got that from kotor
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, you want vehicles in ffa maps?
FR33D0M, yeah
]eVe[The Pink Panther, oo yeah
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, yes
FR33D0M, make it interesting
]eVe[The Pink Panther, that would be cool
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," sadly, this would cause a problem similar to seige- sorry!"
]eVe[The Pink Panther, if possible
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, sit
FR33D0M, what bout invinsibility when ure typing
Saskei, i would say more lightsaber combos
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, yeah
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, that would be good
FR33D0M, or godmode when ure typing
SnipaDeath, yes
]eVe[The Pink Panther, maybe you could limit the amount of vehicles
]eVe[The Pink Panther, allowed in a map
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, invinciblity can be performed by using cetain console commands in free-for-all
FR33D0M, oh
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, how?
FR33D0M, didnt know that
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, though you will remain staionary with these commands.
]eVe[The Pink Panther, tester
FR33D0M, oh well
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," yes, pink panther?"
FR33D0M, wait i got the best idea
]eVe[The Pink Panther, a siege map useing the battle on jabba barge from rotj
FR33D0M, nore sabre moves
Saskei, i just said that
Saskei, lol
]eVe[The Pink Panther, would make a very good map
FR33D0M, jabbas barge is a ffa map
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," i like your idea for seige, pink panther, but the ping would go through the roof!"
]eVe[The Pink Panther, true
FR33D0M, not so
FR33D0M, isoltae it to a few meteres around
FR33D0M, the barge
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, like flying mode or somthing!
FR33D0M, what about the ewok siege
]eVe[The Pink Panther, you could make it ctf
FR33D0M, yeah
]eVe[The Pink Panther, two seperate barges
]eVe[The Pink Panther, across the desert
FR33D0M, yeah
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," ok, think about the jabba siege for a moment- only the jedis could move around barges!"
FR33D0M, mopre custom things
]eVe[The Pink Panther, speeders
FR33D0M, yeah
FR33D0M, in ffa
]eVe[The Pink Panther, and lift to take you to the barges
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, hey flying mode would be possible?
]eVe[The Pink Panther, each team would have to secure the lift
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," i have aid before, raven is not considering any new vehicles for 1.02, or even 1.03"
SnipaDeath, sup yoda
]eVe[The Pink Panther, up to the lift
Davin Kabak, yo snipa
FR33D0M, k
]eVe[The Pink Panther, the barge has the flag
Frosty, lol
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, so far- the following has been considered- a better way of tracking online players.
FR33D0M, more sabre moves
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, improvements to siege maps.
FR33D0M, like steam
Saskei, more saber moves hehe
FR33D0M, yeah
{JR}-Cougar-{JM}*, yeah
FR33D0M, mor e spectacular
Davin Kabak, where's ice?
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, new sabre
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, raven is also considering finding a way to stop the 'spamming' of special saber moves.
]eVe[The Pink Panther, i think ctf and ffa would be easier
[YGejuoDIE]Uwaine, four bladed
FR33D0M, dont do that
Frosty, ouch
]eVe[The Pink Panther, ctf is so much fun in this game
|GG| Master Yoda," jedi wount never use force to attack, he use it only to defend!"
Raven Software 1.01 Tester," sadly, i must move onto another server now."
]eVe[The Pink Panther, thanks tester
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, my work is never done....
FR33D0M, k
FR33D0M, lol
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, i'll consider your thought and pass them onto my supervisor
FR33D0M, when can we expect this patch?
]eVe[The Pink Panther, please do
]eVe[The Pink Panther, maps
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, mid spring 2004.


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Old 12-11-2003, 05:32 PM   #21
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Yay new maps.. *Boogies down*
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Old 12-11-2003, 07:04 PM   #22
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Yay, a new patch

I hope its good.




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Old 12-11-2003, 07:10 PM   #23
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Amidala, I know you're just reporting what you heard, but...

Pardon me for being skeptical. After all, Chop Shop is a very popular server on these forums, so it would be an ideal "target" as a popular spot to pull off a joke. We'll probably never know who it was, or if they had any authority to speak for Raven.

While they did say they were "going to another server" it would seem odd to get suggestions just by joining a server and asking the people there.

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Raven Software 1.01 Tester, invinciblity can be performed by using cetain console commands in free-for-all

Raven Software 1.01 Tester, though you will remain staionary with these commands.
Is "she" talking about cheats? If not, this would be a pretty big exploit if it were true! Godmode lets you move around freely, so it must be something else. But why would Raven leave an invincibility command in FFA (even after the 1.01 patch and all the exploits it removed)?!

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Raven Software 1.01 Tester, raven is also considering finding a way to stop the 'spamming' of special saber moves.
Did this person forget that special moves already can't be spammed because they sap your mana pool? (Ie: 25 mana points for twirls, butterflies/cartwheels and rolls; 50 mana points for katas and the saber barrier)

The default Force Mana Regen time means that a person can only logically "spam" a kata 2 times or a twirl/butterfly/cartwheel/roll 4 times before they're completely out of mana. And it takes a little while to build up enough mana to do even ONE of those moves again. Not to mention in the case of rolls, they're much harder to spam in 1.01 because you have to jump first or be falling to do them more than once.

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Raven Software 1.01 Tester," i have aid before, raven is not considering any new vehicles for 1.02, or even 1.03"
So they're already planning not just 1, but 2 patches?

I'm curious as to why it works this way. Why not simply release everything in one patch, since it's such a hassle for them to get even ONE patch through LucasArts's red tape department?

Could be poor choice of words by the tester, but they could simply have said "we have no plans to include new vehicles in any future patches at this time." Which is the kind of thing you'd expect a real game rep to say.

Though they do also say:

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Raven Software 1.01 Tester," ok, let us get this straight, no new weapons, force powers or vehicles will be included in any of the following jedi academy patches, sorry."
Raven Software 1.01 Tester, academy patches- sorry.
So maybe that makes more sense. Of course we know now that Raven doesn't release ALL their freebies in patches. ; )

On the subject of "Multiple Duels":

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Raven Software 1.01 Tester, that is already possible
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Raven Software 1.01 Tester," it requires a strong server, though."
According to everything we've been told it is NOT already possible. That is why all the Admin Mods were making a big deal out of making multiple duels in FFA possible. "Requires a strong server?" all that is different from a normal Sabers Only FFA is that the players have glowing shaders applied to them. How much more bandwidth can that take up? I would think it would mostly be client side rendering that was being done, but I could be wrong.

How strong are the servers already running these multiple duel mods?

Maybe the tester meant that it was "already possible" if you modified the code, or that it was "already planned" for 1.02. But somehow I doubt that's what they meant...

I suppose they could have been a tester, though the only Raven software employee that has really seemed to be forthcoming with information to the public community (though in a very low key way) has been ChangKhan. The name "Raven 1.01 Tester" for somebody fielding suggestions for the 1.02 patch? Hmmm.

That's not to say it's not possible of course. According to him, they "each worked on a map after it [Jedi Academy] went gold."

Then again, I've had people join my server and claim to be ME, so could also be a prankster.

So who knows... ; )

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Raven Software 1.01 Tester, i'll consider your thought and pass them onto my supervisor
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Raven Software 1.01 Tester, mid spring 2004.
Supervisor? Mid Spring 2004? So we're to assume the next patch will be out in 3-5 months?

That could be as much as 8 months after the release of the game. Sure, it's possible, and if true, it would be nice, but that's a LOOONG time in game terms. I would think by then they'd be focusing all of their time doing QuakeIV and whatever other projects they have going. Remember how JK2 support from them virtually ended and they switched gears to do Soldier of Fortune II? They're not that huge of a company, though I could be wrong.

The other thing is, they're always hestitant to give out release dates because they have to go through LucasArts to do just about anything it seems (especially a patch which would have to be hosted as a file on LucasArts's servers and officially sanctioned by them after testing). That a lowly tester would spout off release dates that far in advance seems odd (then again, they could be speaking from their own guesswork rather than as an official statement).

If there IS going to be another patch, it's probably safe to bet it will come out within the next 5 months, but still. I mean in rare cases patches have come out long long after a game is released, such as in the case of Outlaws or Diablo 2, but those are rare exceptions, done by big companies.

Finally, if they are already giving out release dates, you'd think that this would be a MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT that they'd send to major gaming news sites, not just to a few people they randomly met on a public server.

Anyway, I'm just rambling... but you can see how I'd be skeptical of somebody saying things like that. If somebody from Raven confirms all that on here, then the point is moot of course.

Until then I'd consider them just rumors.


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Old 12-11-2003, 08:35 PM   #24
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Agreed, while talking with Rich Whitehouse (the MP coder), he stated that it was very difficult to access the JKA code since they had changed to a different CVS system for their next project (which is obviously Q4 but he's not allowed to talk about it). If the JKA MP coder can't easily access the JKA code from his work computer, we're probably not going to see another patch.

In addition, for JK2, we only received the SDK when they were done patching the code.

Plus, why would a subcontracted QA tester be testing on a online 1.01 game for a newer patch when they probably have inhouse servers for just this purpose?


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Old 12-11-2003, 09:50 PM   #25
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As I said in my post, my players were skeptical (one called her "psychotic") and I am skeptical, as are you. I am just reporting something interesting. I just thought that phrase "mid-spring 2004" had a ring of authenticity because game developers often use seasonal time frames.

As for spamming moves, the reality is that more and more servers are running faster force regeneration, so kata\butterfly\saber shield, and Force spamming is actually more widespread than you think. I actually check other busy servers' serverinfo in ASE to see what settings they use, and a lot have g_forceregentime set less than 200 (default). Some have it at zero. Many of the emails I receive are questions about force regeneration settings. My players like the faster Force regeneration a lot, although I have actually slowed it down significantly from my JK2 and Disruption server settings, in order to reduce spamming. Just today, someone posted on his clan's board that I had "ruined" the Chop Shop CTF server because he thought regeneration was slowed further, although it is the same as always (4x faster).

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As for spamming moves, the reality is that more and more servers are running faster force regeneration, so kata\butterfly\saber shield, and Force spamming is actually more widespread than you think.
That is a good point, but it's simply a matter of people being "spoiled" by custom settings.

It's not Raven's fault if people change the settings to be unbalanced.

For example it's perfectly possible to disable all Force Powers in Siege, making Jedi completely useless.

It's also possible to enable Jedi Vs. Merc on CTF servers, which is full of bugs (you don't use a team skin, and bot teammates attack you).

By default the sabers in JA (and JK2 1.04) are incredibly weak. They aren't very useful outside of duels since they are pretty crappy for taking out opponents. Basically they're just little shields you can carry around to ward off blaster shots.

By tweaking the saberdamagescale non Duelists can finally get sabers to how they were in JK2 1.02.. ie: an offensive weapon that can actually kill people (including other saberists) on an all weapons server.

The default setting for mana regeneration is just fine, because it prevents spamming. But since people don't want to wait for their mana to charge up or run out they change it to 0, and this leads to spamming and whining.

I agree with you that people get spoiled by custom settings.

I remember in the JK2 days I had people join my server and demand to know why /amsit wasn't working!

(Hint: It was because they were so used to using JediMod and other Admin Mods they assumed it was a default JK2 feature!).


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Wonderful! New maps! H3ll yeah!

They look great, but I am saddened by no appearance of a siege map in the package . . .


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Something strange\interesting happened on Chop Shop CTF-FFA about a week before the Bonus Map Pack was released. Someone named "Raven Software 1.01 Tester" came on the server and started asking players...
As far as the bonus maps go, I say coincidense. There is NO WAY, those maps were made in one week.

As far as a 1.02 for JA, Raven snuck out 1.04 for JO When no one believed there would be another patch, so I guess anything is possible.

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Agreed, while talking with Rich Whitehouse (the MP coder),...
In addition, for JK2, we only received the SDK when they were done patching the code...Plus, why would a subcontracted QA tester be testing on a online 1.01 game for a newer patch when they probably have inhouse servers for just this purpose?
Here is some history about Raven and patches. Way back in JO there was a mod by Nova called Unofficial 104. You can read about it and download it at the Massassi Temple here: U104

It nerfed the backstab/sweeps so they were no longer 1 hit kills, removed the "float down" in blue stance from high places to avoid damage and also nerfed the backflip into blue finisher where the backflip had to be completed before the blue finisher could be initiated. Nova made this by recompiling the source code because of the issues in 1.03 and because a lot of the community felt Raven was not going to release another patch for JO.

Shortly after "Unofficial 104" was released and some server ops started using it (anyone remember Zerowingzero's server?), Raven released the "Official 1.04 patch". My point? We all heard the "so and so at Raven" said there will not be another patch dozens of times after 1.03 but Raven did release a 1.04. So JA may indeed see another patch before it's over.


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Lot of secrets on these maps... Rift of Shadows for example.. smash the cracked walls for secret areas (Force Boon + Merr Sonn).

Conquest of Byss has some breakable glass and you can turn off the Force Field (switch by the Disruptor up the elevator).
were is that button to destroy the shield? what elevator, there are many
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As far as the bonus maps go, I say coincidense. There is NO WAY, those maps were made in one week.
Of course they weren't. But what if they were being worked on as part of the original game, but just weren't done in time for the original release, or even in time for the 1.01 patch? Or the 1.01 patch was to be for bugfixes only per LucasArts. So they finally finished them and were hanging on to them for the 1.02 patch, the first patch that is going to be more than just bugfixes (in JK2, one of the patches, I don't know which, added 4 new duel maps). Then they get feedback from their testers saying "#1 request: more maps" (it was always my #1 request, we still need about 4 more CTF maps and half a dozen more Siege maps). So they say "well, these maps were supposed to have been in the original game release anyway, and aw heck, it's Christmas, just put them out there, don't wait for the patch in April". More plausible?


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Plus, why would a subcontracted QA tester be testing on a online 1.01 game for a newer patch when they probably have inhouse servers for just this purpose?
When McDonald's or Burger King wants to know what people think of a new product, what do they do? They send surveyors out to get a random sample of customers to find out what "the man in the street" thinks about their product.

I think Raven learned from the JKII:JO 1.03 patch to ignore the vocal minority at places like this forum, and find out what the average player in the "real world" thinks and what things are like on real servers where people are messing around with cvars in crazy unexpected ways.

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Of course they weren't. But what if they were being worked on as part of the original game, but just weren't done in time for the original release, or even in time for the 1.01 patch? Or the 1.01 patch was to be for bugfixes only per LucasArts. So they finally finished them and were hanging on to them for the 1.02 patch, the first patch that is going to be more than just bugfixes (in JK2, one of the patches, I don't know which, added 4 new duel maps). Then they get feedback from their testers saying "#1 request: more maps" (it was always my #1 request, we still need about 4 more CTF maps and half a dozen more Siege maps). So they say "well, these maps were supposed to have been in the original game release anyway, and aw heck, it's Christmas, just put them out there, don't wait for the patch in April". More plausible?
I totally agree. Especially about needing more CTF and Siege maps.

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Amidala, the infamous JK2 1.03 patch added four new duel maps.

But of course the patch was so controversial, almost right away somebody released a "pack" for 1.02 that was just the new maps.

These duel maps were based on SP locations (much like the maps in the bonus pack).


These maps were started after JA went gold, so they were probably done for awhile and they were just waiting for the right time to release them (or maybe got sick of waiting for LA since the patch was just bug fixes).

So far LA has yet to acknowledge the Mappack, but oh well. We've got it and it's fun.


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were is that button to destroy the shield? what elevator, there are many
Okay, go to the center of the map, at the big blue shield on the floor, where the Merr Sonn is sitting. Now LOOK UP to the elevator. You'll see several "windows" on the various floors and one of them has a little "boxy" thing sticking up, that's the switch (viewed from the other end). Go up the elevator to that switch and throw it, the shield goes down.

You'll know you're in the right elevator, because one of the "floors" on it has a Disruptor.

And it doesn't "destroy" the shield, it only turns it off for a few seconds.


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Okay, go to the center of the map, at the big blue shield on the floor, where the Merr Sonn is sitting. Now LOOK UP to the elevator. You'll see several "windows" on the various floors and one of them has a little "boxy" thing sticking up, that's the switch (viewed from the other end). Go up the elevator to that switch and throw it, the shield goes down.

You'll know you're in the right elevator, because one of the "floors" on it has a Disruptor.

And it doesn't "destroy" the shield, it only turns it off for a few seconds. [/B]
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Here is some history about Raven and patches. Way back in JO there was a mod by Nova called Unofficial 104. You can read about it and download it at the Massassi Temple here: U104

It nerfed the backstab/sweeps so they were no longer 1 hit kills, removed the "float down" in blue stance from high places to avoid damage and also nerfed the backflip into blue finisher where the backflip had to be completed before the blue finisher could be initiated. Nova made this by recompiling the source code because of the issues in 1.03 and because a lot of the community felt Raven was not going to release another patch for JO.

Shortly after "Unofficial 104" was released and some server ops started using it (anyone remember Zerowingzero's server?), Raven released the "Official 1.04 patch". My point? We all heard the "so and so at Raven" said there will not be another patch dozens of times after 1.03 but Raven did release a 1.04. So JA may indeed see another patch before it's over.
That's because the patch code was already done. It was in the SDK when it was released. Nova might have taken credit for it, but it was definitely not his work.

I think there might have been one major bug fixed between the SDK and the v1.04, but it was minor at best.

Right now, the SDK has nothing in it beyond 1.02. That's a bad sign. Especially combined with what I said before.

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When McDonald's or Burger King wants to know what people think of a new product, what do they do? They send surveyors out to get a random sample of customers to find out what "the man in the street" thinks about their product.

I think Raven learned from the JKII:JO 1.03 patch to ignore the vocal minority at places like this forum, and find out what the average player in the "real world" thinks and what things are like on real servers where people are messing around with cvars in crazy unexpected ways.
If that's true, it wouldn't be a QA tester doing that sort of research; it would be someone at Raven or in marketing. Otherwise, it would be like asking the janitor to do marketing surveys.


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That's because the patch code was already done. It was in the SDK when it was released. Nova might have taken credit for it, but it was definitely not his work.
Nova did not take credit for it. He said all he did was compile the source code.

After server ops started using U104, THEN Raven released the official 1.04 patch.

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I don't think we'll get a patch. Raven has not been responsive. Look at how long it took to get a patch. The LA keeping it down doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be honest, and I found in my own dealings with Raven, trying to get some sort of a response from them, that they are not concerned. Anway, anyone else with the ffa maps were just a little smaller? It takes forever to get to the action now.......


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I don't think we'll get a patch. Raven has not been responsive. Look at how long it took to get a patch. The LA keeping it down doesn't make a lot of sense to me to be honest, and I found in my own dealings with Raven, trying to get some sort of a response from them, that they are not concerned. Anway, anyone else with the ffa maps were just a little smaller? It takes forever to get to the action now.......
To defend Raven, they've alway been very responsive to me. In fact, you can tell that some of them actually stop what they are doing (coding) to answer questions. However, this ONLY works when you ask questions that they can reasonably answer.

Due to way things work, they are NOT going to tell you something that their marketing department choose not to announce (like the release date for patches) or something that would require a huge amount of effort to do (like extremely broad/vague coding or something so technical that they'd have to look into it).


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Nova did not take credit for it. He said all he did was compile the source code.

After server ops started using U104, THEN Raven released the official 1.04 patch.
Ok, I'm sorry. You had made it sounds like Nova was trying to take credit for it.


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