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Old 01-17-2004, 10:36 PM   #41
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Drinking beer doesnt mean you'll go to hell. or you'll feel like **** the next morning.

Your young, have some fun. Life throws so much crap at you and age will hit you like a ton of bricks. I have two friends who refused to drink or do anything close to what they think is morally wrong. I let them be, but they are very boring sometimes. Dont take me wrong, they are great friends. can have fun. but they are afraid to try different things. like if an experiment. you have to try different things.

Take a risk. When you'll be 60 years old and you'll look back at your child hood, you wont get to see you did a lot of things if you refuse to try stuff.

i dont know if this makes sence to you, but it does to me. dont lock yourself up. you might surprise yourself


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Old 01-17-2004, 10:45 PM   #42
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My best advice is not to be such a pansy about it. Seriously.

Don't do the "that doesn't appeal to me" crap. That doesn't get you anywhere. Just fire right back at them. Make fun of them for being drunk idiots. Call who of your friends will be the first to toss their cookies. When one of them falls down, laugh so hard it hurts. Better yet, kick them. Be just as brutal to them as they are to you, just in a friendly manner. Chances are, they're not 100% serious, they're just friends, dude. They're just looking for a good time. So don't be such a killjoy about it, just continue not drinking without being so serious about it.
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Old 01-17-2004, 10:55 PM   #43
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Old 01-17-2004, 11:00 PM   #44
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I forgot to mention the sex thing. Just out of curiosity(and no religious flaming) what religion are you, if any? Just sounds like you're a really rightious man, and I respect you a whole lot now.

I'm a Christian, but this is still moral stuff that my parents have taught me. And I look to my older (22-23 years old) cousins as role-models, and they're good about that stuff.



And I'm not going to dump my friends. As someone said, it would make me a very lonely person. But, I do think they respect my decision, everytime one of them always stands up for me, and they never push it anywhere past the ribbing and making fun of me thing. So I think they respect how I think.


And to Datheus, yeah you're right I shouldn't take it so seriously, but it's not that easy to fire back sometimes when it's 5 vs. me lol.

And to TheJackal... you're telling me that I should experiment on crack? Weed? Pills? If I try that, I can say for a fact that when I'm 60, I'm not going to look back on that stuff and be proud about it. And hey, the amazingly high chance to die from drugs is worth the risk right? Not in my point of view. I'de rather be a friend that people can come to for advice, even if I am boring, and not some mushy-brained idiot (no offence meant to anyone who does this) with puncture wounds all up and down his arm. And hey, when I'm in college and out of college, who says I have to hang out with people where I would be "boring" anyway?
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Old 01-17-2004, 11:24 PM   #45
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"they're just friends, dude. They're just looking for a good time. So don't be such a killjoy about it, just continue not drinking without being so serious about it."

They rae budging him to the point where he FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE AROUND THEM. If they make him uncomfortable, then they aren't acting like his friends, are they?

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Old 01-17-2004, 11:37 PM   #46
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Do yourself a favour and don't listen to any of these punks here Do what the f**k YOU want to do, and not what anyone tells you to do.

And no, I'm not playing Devil's Advocate here - I genuinely believe you should do what you feel is right - don't let people force you into something you don't want to do. That's a bad way to approach life.



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Old 01-17-2004, 11:38 PM   #47
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My best advice is not to be such a pansy about it. Seriously.

Don't do the "that doesn't appeal to me" crap. That doesn't get you anywhere. Just fire right back at them. Make fun of them for being drunk idiots. Call who of your friends will be the first to toss their cookies. When one of them falls down, laugh so hard it hurts. Better yet, kick them. Be just as brutal to them as they are to you, just in a friendly manner. Chances are, they're not 100% serious, they're just friends, dude. They're just looking for a good time. So don't be such a killjoy about it, just continue not drinking without being so serious about it.
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Old 01-18-2004, 10:31 AM   #48
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He's talking to reborn...and if you're implying I have those thoughts because im too young to "get it"...there's no reason to call me a "boy" I'm old enough to have my own life, and I own my own business, thank you very much.
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Old 01-18-2004, 02:24 PM   #49
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Do yourself a favour and don't listen to any of these punks here Do what the f**k YOU want to do, and not what anyone tells you to do.

And no, I'm not playing Devil's Advocate here - I genuinely believe you should do what you feel is right - don't let people force you into something you don't want to do. That's a bad way to approach life.
To One, you listen He's right. This is is your life, given to you. So use it how you want. If you wanna stick by your principles/morals, you should bloody well do so.


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Old 01-18-2004, 04:31 PM   #50
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To One, you listen He's right. This is is your life, given to you. So use it how you want. If you wanna stick by your principles/morals, you should bloody well do so.
Aww. You British people and your use of bloody. How cute.





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Old 01-18-2004, 04:35 PM   #51
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I'm a Christian, but this is still moral stuff that my parents have taught me. And I look to my older (22-23 years old) cousins as role-models, and they're good about that stuff.



And I'm not going to dump my friends. As someone said, it would make me a very lonely person. But, I do think they respect my decision, everytime one of them always stands up for me, and they never push it anywhere past the ribbing and making fun of me thing. So I think they respect how I think.


And to Datheus, yeah you're right I shouldn't take it so seriously, but it's not that easy to fire back sometimes when it's 5 vs. me lol.

And to TheJackal... you're telling me that I should experiment on crack? Weed? Pills? If I try that, I can say for a fact that when I'm 60, I'm not going to look back on that stuff and be proud about it. And hey, the amazingly high chance to die from drugs is worth the risk right? Not in my point of view. I'de rather be a friend that people can come to for advice, even if I am boring, and not some mushy-brained idiot (no offence meant to anyone who does this) with puncture wounds all up and down his arm. And hey, when I'm in college and out of college, who says I have to hang out with people where I would be "boring" anyway?
You have been brought up well by your parents and family, my son. Continue with this non-alcoholic mentality. You dont want to be posting messed up stuff on the LFN drunk. (as if anyone could, drunk.)

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Old 01-18-2004, 05:41 PM   #52
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Why talk about religion in a beer thread?

I have my moto about religion:

dont talk about it. you allways end up insulting someone.

As for the beer.

do what you want. but dont ditch those friends. they are your friends. friends tease each other. you do need to have fun and experiment. life is short. if you dont want to drink then its your choise. but make sure its YOUR choise. not your parents, teacher, friends or even your religious leader. Screw them, its your life.

and if your friends still annoy you then grow a back bone and defend yourself. if not you'll just end up being a punching bag.


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Old 01-18-2004, 05:57 PM   #53
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Dude, i wont post a long message explaining my opinion, cause frankly my opinion doesnt matter. Its your opinion that matters. So to keep it short, here is a good idea. Think about now, starting drinking, then see yourself in a few years, a pot head, an alcholic, a drug addict. Then look into the future of a non alcoholic. Think about what your life would be like. Then compare the two lives, hard, and long. Think about wheter your non alcohol life would be much better, think about your alcohol life and think. Will this help me, will it make me cool.

What my main point is, is that you should look inside of yourself for the answer, not us. You should do what you feel is right, not some group of people you have never met before. The answer is in you my friend, and thats were where you shall find it.

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Old 01-18-2004, 07:07 PM   #54
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Old 01-18-2004, 08:34 PM   #55
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Just one point - Why do a lot of people think that drinking = alcoholism?
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Old 01-18-2004, 09:24 PM   #56
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Reborn I wouldn't let it get to you too much. I never drank anything until I turned 21. Even then it was not very often. I have seen what it can do. It's not pretty. My friends always tried to get me to do drugs/alcohol. If it's not your cup of tea, don't drink it. (No pun intended) Here I am, 22 turning 23 in six months and I may have a beer once every 2 months. It's not what it's cracked up to be. Stick to your guns and don't let anyone of your friends drive drunk. Other than that, if you're friends will not let up on you, then they are not your friends. Do what you feel is right, man, and you can't go wrong.
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Old 01-18-2004, 09:39 PM   #57
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Look at me I cant drink a drop cause of the meds I am on. Not everyone drinkss it just isnt for everyone.


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Old 01-18-2004, 09:54 PM   #58
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Just one point - Why do a lot of people think that drinking = alcoholism?
Precisely.

I've held off posting this until now, but this thread is becoming patronising beyond a joke.

If you drive your car when you're drunk, it's because you're a d***head with poor judgement. If you beat your wife when you're drunk, it's because you're a violent d***head with a temper problem.
If you can't handle what drink does to you, then don't drink. However, millions of people the whole world over drink without it turning them into violent, cirrhosis ridden alcoholics.

I drink, and I have no problems with it. I'm not violent and I know there are things I can't/shouldn't do when I'm drunk. The same goes for a lot of my friends. I have friends who don't drink and who have no problem with me drinking around them.
My brother-in-law smokes weed a couple of times a week, but he's not zoned-out 24/7. Nor is he when he is smoking. He works for an accountancy agency and is very successful in his job.
My old flatmate is into cars. He enjoys working on them and driving on them. He takes his cars to shows where he can share his interests with like-minded people. But he doesn't feel the need to drive so fast it's dangerous. He doesn't go speeding around towns running people over.
A friend of mine at work is fascinated by guns. He's got a couple of replicas and a load of books about the history of firearms. But he doesn't go around shooting people.

Can anyone see what I'm getting at?

If you don't want to drink, then that's cool - you've made your decision. But don't assume that going to the pub is going to turn you into Mr Hyde.

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Old 01-18-2004, 10:14 PM   #59
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Just one point - Why do a lot of people think that drinking = alcoholism?
Heh, I thought that said "Just one pint" Why couldn't you have made the typo?



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Old 01-18-2004, 10:38 PM   #60
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Heh, I thought that said "Just one pint" Why couldn't you have made the typo?
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Precisely.

I've held off posting this until now, but this thread is becoming patronising beyond a joke.

If you drive your car when you're drunk, it's because you're a d***head with poor judgement. If you beat your wife when you're drunk, it's because you're a violent d***head with a temper problem.
If you can't handle what drink does to you, then don't drink. However, millions of people the whole world over drink without it turning them into violent, cirrhosis ridden alcoholics.

• I drink, and I have no problems with it. I'm not violent and I know there are things I can't/shouldn't do when I'm drunk. The same goes for a lot of my friends. I have friends who don't drink and who have no problem with me drinking around them.
• My brother-in-law smokes weed a couple of times a week, but he's not zoned-out 24/7. Nor is he when he is smoking. He works for an accountancy agency and is very successful in his job.
• My old flatmate is into cars. He enjoys working on them and driving on them. He takes his cars to shows where he can share his interests with like-minded people. But he doesn't feel the need to drive so fast it's dangerous. He doesn't go speeding around towns running people over.
• A friend of mine at work is fascinated by guns. He's got a couple of replicas and a load of books about the history of firearms. But he doesn't go around shooting people.

Can anyone see what I'm getting at?

If you don't want to drink, then that's cool - you've made your decision. But don't assume that going to the pub is going to turn you into Mr Hyde.

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Old 01-19-2004, 12:31 AM   #61
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LMFAO!
but drinking alcohol does not make you a complete bastard.
nor does it make you a pot head, an alcholic and a drug addict, like Father Torque seems to think.

I drink and I do other stuff that is illegal in the states. But am I a drug addict that will fail in life so bad?

Seriously. There is such a thing as MODERATION.


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Old 01-19-2004, 12:34 AM   #62
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Yea I don't drink. Some people say its fun being drunk. Want a REALLY good time? Goto a party and be the ONLY sober person. THATS fun.
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Try to stay off that topic - if your friends want to drink, let them. But you don't have to be there. Seriously, it sucks when you have friends that want to do things that you don't want to do. The peer pressure starts to kick in and then its not so much that they REALLY WANT to see you do something you don't want to do - It becomes a game to them. Its just a downword spiral. If they are truly your friends than they will respect your wishes - even if they tease you a bit. And...anyways...when they are talking about getting drunk and they want you to go with them. It doesn't mean they are going to notice if your not drunk. I mean -- they are going to be tossed. How can they tell. Just come up with excuses. I wouldn't say the crap about "appealing or morals." they'll just rip on you. Just avoid it - or like others said. Your going to have to find a different crowd because as these kids get older they are going to be doing different stuff and they are going to push you around just the same. It can only end in voilence. j/k


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Want a REALLY good time? Goto a party and be the ONLY sober person. THATS fun.
And become notorious for being "That git who stays sober just to remind us how we acted last night"
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And become notorious for being "That git who stays sober just to remind us how we acted last night"
But its so much funnier making them think they did something REAL messed up and you're not tellllllllllling. Hehehe...
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Old 01-19-2004, 02:15 PM   #66
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i haven't had a drink for years.
week after week of getting drunk on cheap cider and cheap beer in my teens took its toll. by the time i was actually legal to buy drink i had lost my taste for it.

but just because i don't drink doesn't mean i think its bad.

with drink & drugs the choice is yours, don't let anyone else make it for you.
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week after week of getting drunk on cheap cider and cheap beer in my teens took its toll. by the time i was actually legal to buy drink i had lost my taste for it.
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Why talk about religion in a beer thread?

I have my moto about religion:

dont talk about it. you allways end up insulting someone.
I was asked if my opinions partially reflected my religion.





And no, I know that getting drunk does not mean that a person is an alcoholic, I never said that was true. Alcoholism is a disease. But for those you who say "try it, what's it gonna hurt?" and are referring to drugs, now that can lead to addiction, which is exactly why i won't try anything like that.
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if you think that by just trying something gets your addicted you are 100% wrong.

I do the occasionnal pot smoking (small ammounts are legal in canada) and I am NOT addicted. Those who are addicted is because they have no self control.

doing drugs is the same as drinking. they are both drugs. its true. beer is like cigarettes. both are socially accepted and pretty much ignored.

addiction is most of the time voluntary. why? because you make a conscience choise of taking a 2nd beer/joint/cigarette just after you finished your 1st. you can say: "your under the influence you dont have judgment" and blablabla.

that is just proof that you never took any and you dont know how to take some. Take the beer slowly. dont drink it like its a can of pepsi. same with the rest. its just stupid trying to take in as much as you can.

Moderation is the key. you can moderate anything you want if you have the will. if you dont have the will then its because you have problems you need to fix.

Trust me! I'M NOT ADDICTED TO ANYTHING.

my last beer is 2 weeks ago. last cigarette 4 weeks ago. and my last joint over 2 months.

Taking anything in excess is just plain stupid. Just like food. You eat too much candy you get a sweat tooth (and zits for teenagers) and dont want to take anything else. its the sort of thing you want to take occasionally, not every damn day.


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can lead to addiction

And I'm not going to argue on why you think I should try these things. The fact of the matter is, those things can be very harmful, smoking or drinking something just for the fun feeling or crazyness of it doesn't float my boat.
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And I'm not going to argue on why you think I should try these things. The fact of the matter is, those things can be very harmful, smoking or drinking something just for the fun feeling or crazyness of it doesn't float my boat.
Hey, using a mobile phone could prove to harmful. Using a knife in the kitchen can be harmful.

What it comes down to is the choice that you make. Drinking is absolutely fine for you, in moderation - and if you think when you touch a drop you'll become an alcoholic, you need to get a grip with reality boy



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nor does it make you a pot head, an alcholic and a drug addict, like Father Torque seems to think.
Hey Jackal you can have fun doing your pot beer thing. Ya, its really cool , dont you see that you are basically incouraging a minor to drink. Did you know thats against the law here in the states, did you know that some people get addictions due to past family alcoholism. He could get hooked man,at 15.

And why did you get all offensive there, like Father Torque seems to think. Dude thats flat out cowardly. If you wanna tell me im wrong send me something more personal like a PM, you dont need the swamp to know about it.

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Hey Jackal you can have fun doing your pot beer thing. Ya, its really cool , dont you see that you are basically incouraging a minor to drink. Did you know thats against the law here in the states
Not correct, it's against the law to give or buy a minor sauce. You can stand on any street corner you like, however, and scream at the top of your lungs "ALL TWO YEAR OLDS SHOULD DRINK A GALLON OF JACK, AND SMOKE A POUND" and all you will do is piss people off. At best they'll put you in a nut-house, but that depends on how loud you scream, I would guess.



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LF Forum RL Meeting...you know where we fly you guys all in from all over the globe and someone like Rhett stands out there in Timbucktu Idaho with a sign that says

"LF"

And everyone passes him by and flys out to California

Where I will be waiting holding a sign

That says "Everyone but Rhett"

And we will all make our way to the beautiful CA coastline where we can catch some waves and bask in the glorious sunshine. After pissing the day away, and finally Rhett has found us - we will then have a HUGE Bonfire. Roast Marshmellows and Hot Dogs and drink some margaritas....

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Old 01-23-2004, 02:17 PM   #75
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^^^ Okay, I'm missing something.

Can we have a translation for the 'hard of grasping'?

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Old 01-23-2004, 03:02 PM   #76
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If you don't want to drink, don't drink.

Some of your friends may tease you. Some of these people may be real friends who are genuinely just teasing, and who don't actually care either way whether you drink or not.
These people you should keep as friends, and take any 'jibes' with the spirit they are given, and feel free to give some back

Others may be just d***s who want to pick on any different or 'out-of-the-norm' behaviour. Ignore these people. They are irrelavent...


If you don't want to drink - no problem. In fact, if you don't want to do anything that has any remote chance of having any kind of negative consequence - be my guest.

If you don't want to skydive (incase the harness breaks, or the chute doesn't open), be my guest. I think it's worth doing, but I respect those who don't.

If you don't want to play contact sports (incase you hurt yourself), be my guest. I don't have a problem with it, but I respect those people who choose not to...

These last comments are directed towards those who like to brand alchohol and all other drugs under the overly simplistic banner of 'wrong' without any consideration to the moderation with which they are taken, or the fact that there are different grades of drug...

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Think about now, starting drinking, then see yourself in a few years, a pot head, an alcholic, a drug addict.
Ermm - ok. How about:

Think about it now - start eating chocolate and hamburgers, then see yourself in a few years - you'll weigh 300 lbs, and you'll need a wall knocked down to leave the house...


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Old 01-23-2004, 05:01 PM   #77
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My advice? Do one shot. Just one single shot. Or not even a shot. Have one beer. You have no idea how many people will leave you alone after that. I was the exact same way as you in high school, when it came to alcohol. Finally, I did one shot to make my friends happy. And they never bothered me again. In fact, they stood up and defended me whenever someone else gave me a hard time for not drinking.

You don't seem like the type that would have pricks and jerks for friends. It seems likely they're just messin' with you.


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Old 01-23-2004, 05:09 PM   #78
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Tell them to **** their mommas and stick their head where the ****ing sun doesn't shine... or ignore them, easy....

Yeah, i was a victim of peer pressure yesterday, haha, no! a 4th grader told me to give him my garage opener number, ha! I wuz strong!

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Tie 23 your not helping you dont tell your friends **** there mommas or stuff like that if you want to have friends. I think the goal is to stay away from that stuff but yet still have a good time with your friends. It is possible.


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Re: My friends make fun of me because I do not want to get drunk...

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I am 15 years old and I'm living a pretty good life now. I have good morals, I plan to save sex for a special person when I'm married and I don't want to get drunk.

It's the last part that I'm having trouble with now (well, not exactly trouble, just problems with my friends about). I'm in 10th grade, and ever since my friends and I got into highschool, I've noticed them wanting more and more to get drunk. Now, they pressure me to get drunk too, but everytime I refuse, saying that it doesnt look appealing to me, or that it just seems wrong to. Now, yesterday the emotions soared to the point where I was making bets with my best friends that I wouldn't get drunk in highschool. They made fun of me, saying that they were going to get me drunk sometime and that there was no way I could resist. I have other friends who don't drink, and I'm glad that I can go to them for support, but when they're not there, and it's 4 or 5 vs me, I don't know what to say. I can't come up with a plausable arguement as to why I don't want to drink, only that it "feels wrong, and doesn't appeal to me." They think that that is a stupid reason, and continually tell me so.

Has anyone else experienced this, and if so, what advice do you have for me? (Take note though, that I am NOT going to get drunk [and notice I'm saying drunk, of course I'm going to have a sip of wine with my parents on New Years, or on their birthdays] and I don't plan to get drunk. Just so that everyone knows.)
Damn, that sucks dude. Personally I drink quite a bit, sometimes to get drunk, others just to have a beer with my friends (btw, i love the taste of beer more than pop). But when i don't want to drink then alls I say is "I'm not going to drink right now, I don't want to"

One time it pissed one of my friends off cuz he wanted me to try a jack and coke mix but i didn't want to cuz i had to go to work. He got mad enough to lock me out of his house until i tried it, so I poured it on his car(20 oz. coke bottle full) and started my 4 mile trek back into town. I went half a mile before he drove up to me to give me a ride the rest of the way. My point is, do what you have to do to NOT get pressured into doing things you don't want to. Since you're 15 you don't have a car which sucks cuz I'd say make sure you always drive and can leave when you want. When you turn 16 make sure you ALWAYS have your car. As for right now, just tell your friends that you're not going to and you don't want to, just flat out tell them "I'm not gonna drink cuz I don't want to" and if they give you any more grief, start a walk to your house. If they're any kind of friends at all then they won't push you to the point of walking, and if it DOES come to it, they'll pick you up not to far later.

I have the same problem as you, except mine's with weed. I tried it to see what everyone liked about it so much (everyone since my freshman year thought I was a way big pothead anyway, i've done it twice ever) but if i just tell my friends "No" then they'll try to push it but deep down they know I'm still not going to do it. That may be what your friends are doing, they keep pressuring you into it knowing that you won't, but hoping that you will. The reason they're probably doing it is because they think you'll be one of the funniest kids ever when drunk. That's what I pretty much am, I can make people laugh anyway, but when I'm drunk? I guess I'm just hilarious.

Save your virginity (right now I wish I had done that, cuz that'd be something perfect to give your wife) and no matter what don't drink if you don't want to. Nobody can make you do ****, and if they need to know that then tell them.


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