Kotor Tool - v1.0.2210.16738 (2006-1-19 12:38) - Page 18

Xcom · 02-17-2005, 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by Fred Tetra
The next version has the ability to maintain two sets of path information and also lets you work with both games at the same time.

When editor windows are opened for a given file, they also indicate which game they are from.

Excellent. Thank you!

Fred Tetra · 02-19-2005, 05:58 PM

Screenshot showing new tree layout and module description and location info (thanks helpers!).

Tree Structure

Here's one of the new path manager:

Path Manager

Mav · 02-19-2005, 07:42 PM

Looks Great Fred, makes me wonder though... what were those whited-out buttons... hmmmm ... lol

Bimmerman · 02-19-2005, 08:14 PM

Hey- please ignore this if this question/problem has already been dealt with. When I try to use KOTOR tool for TSL, I get an error message saying that my "chitin.key file appers to be corrupt. You may want to reinstall KOTOR to fix this." Problem is: I have reinstalled it and gotten the same message, and the game runs fine, and KOTOR tool works on .2da's at least just fine. So I am wondering if this is just a bug in my version of Kotor tool(vers. 1.0.1768.1782) or if my copy of the game is messed up. Also- everytime I start KT up it asks whether I want to install the newest version: when I click yes, it goes through the installation, and the vers. number doesnt change, and it asks again the next time I boot it up whether I want to install the newest version, which I just did. Any help would be appreciated.

SpaceAlex · 02-19-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally posted by Bimmerman850CSi
Hey- please ignore this if this question/problem has already been dealt with. When I try to use KOTOR tool for TSL, I get an error message saying that my "chitin.key file appers to be corrupt. You may want to reinstall KOTOR to fix this." Problem is: I have reinstalled it and gotten the same message, and the game runs fine, and KOTOR tool works on .2da's at least just fine. So I am wondering if this is just a bug in my version of Kotor tool(vers. 1.0.1768.1782) or if my copy of the game is messed up. Also- everytime I start KT up it asks whether I want to install the newest version: when I click yes, it goes through the installation, and the vers. number doesnt change, and it asks again the next time I boot it up whether I want to install the newest version, which I just did. Any help would be appreciated.

Are you using KT to edit Kotor 2 files or Kotor 1 files. Because if you're using it for K2, then the error is normal, because KOTOR tool doesn't fully support TSL. At least not the version avaible to download.

Anyways. Great job Fred! I'm getting more and more excited to get my hands on it.

Bimmerman · 02-19-2005, 09:03 PM

I was using KT to edit both KOTOR 1 and 2 by manually changing the paths when I wanted to switch from one game to another. This only happened when I was editing K2, so if you say its a common error b/c KT does not fully support K2(I didnt know that) then I guess i dont have a problem after all. Thanks for the help.

Fred Tetra · 02-20-2005, 06:10 AM

Mav's correct. The error mesaage appears because the validation being performed is for Kotor 1.

Lorden Darkblade · 02-20-2005, 11:04 AM

I was testing this version of Kotor Tool and I think it still has that problem older versions had with some made robes/armors.
It wont open them
It also said my chitin.key appears to be corrupt, it says it was altered from the official version tho I havent installed anything on my game yet.
Also, where can I find that old .GFF editor that modders used before Kotor Tool could be used to modify items?

Mav · 02-20-2005, 01:27 PM

there is no need to worry about the chitin.key that is just because KotOR tool isn't fully compatible with TSL yet and you can get the old GFF editor by, actually checking the useful tutorial sections and stickies, but I'll do it ofr you this time

click here

read section 2.2 c.

Lorden Darkblade · 02-20-2005, 02:41 PM

Ahhh so it is normal that error.
Ok.
Thanks man, I really apreciate

wolverine66 · 02-20-2005, 05:25 PM

I am having a problem opening the .2da files. If I click on one in a folder I get a message saying that "there is no editor available for that file type". If I try to open one from inside kotor tool it doesn't do anything at all. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
AL

Fred Tetra · 02-20-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by wolverine66
I am having a problem opening the .2da files. If I click on one in a folder I get a message saying that "there is no editor available for that file type". If I try to open one from inside kotor tool it doesn't do anything at all. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
AL

To open 2DA files, either click the 2da shortcut button on the toolbar or choose "Open 2DA file editor" from the Tools menu.
You can select and open the files from within the editor.

wolverine66 · 02-20-2005, 05:59 PM

Thanks, for the quick response but it still does not work. It just adds a box to my task bar like there should be another windows but there isn't one.

johnmedgla · 02-20-2005, 06:58 PM

Happens to me too for some reason - the 2da editor opens off screen. Just right click on the 2DA editor button on the task bar and click Maximize.

wolverine66 · 02-20-2005, 07:05 PM

Thanks, worked like a charm.

johnmedgla · 02-20-2005, 07:15 PM

Happy to help. It's a minor inconvenience in Fred's (Fantastic!!!) tool.

Have fun editing!

Fred Tetra · 02-20-2005, 07:47 PM

It is probably caused by a bug I discovered in the window state persistance code. If you have a window minimized when it is closed, negative values get stored for the windows location (-32000,-32000, if I remember right). I am adding code to fix this.

Fred Tetra · 02-20-2005, 07:48 PM

Just an update:

I think I have finally figured out a way to handle two cases that never worked right in Kotor Tools Item Properties editor - Disguises and Traps.

Both are unique in that they have a Property and Subtype but no cost table. I somehow missed this in my initial development of the editor.

I *think* I have it working correctly, as an item I made, when equipped, makes you look like Bastilla. I haven't figured out a good test case for the Trap property yet....

Mav · 02-20-2005, 07:50 PM

Sounds great Fred, and sorry but I can't help you with the Trap property I don't even know what it does.

Darkkender · 02-20-2005, 08:59 PM

This is Great that you found the bug Fred. As to the trap type I think that it is tied to a 2da file I was going over this one a while back in GFF editor.

Celloa · 02-21-2005, 10:17 AM

Hey, ive been trying to use the KOTOR Tool, but everytime i start it after the dialogue box saying it will have to verify paths, or something this comes up

And it shuts, is this a known bug? is there some easy way to fix it?

Fred Tetra · 02-21-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally posted by Celloa
Hey, ive been trying to use the KOTOR Tool, but everytime i start it after the dialogue box saying it will have to verify paths, or something this comes up
And it shuts, is this a known bug? is there some easy way to fix it?

You need to click the Details button, select and copy the text right up to the part where it lists loaded assemblies, and email it to the address in the readme file. Don't bother with the loaded assemblies; they provide no useful info.

Fred Tetra · 02-21-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by maverick187
Sounds great Fred, and sorry but I can't help you with the Trap property I don't even know what it does.

I realized (and verified) that the Trap properties are used for ... traps. They are used to define the type of action a trap has.

I wonder what happens if you assign three or four trap properties to one trap.

A Frag-Plasma-Stun-Poison mine?

Hmmm....

Fred Tetra · 02-21-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by maverick187
Looks Great Fred, makes me wonder though... what were those whited-out buttons... hmmmm ... lol

Would it disappoint you if I told you they are just there for "test purposes"?

One of them used to launch the Appearance Wizard, but I stopped working on it for the time being.

Mav · 02-21-2005, 12:13 PM

Don't worry Fred, you can't dissappoint me not with a great tool like this

*tk102* · 02-21-2005, 12:23 PM

Fred,
I after doing the item extraction pages for Starwarsknights.com I have a new-found respect for KT's item editor. It's been a long time since I've had to jump through all those 2da files looking for information and then looking up references in the dialog.tlk... your Item Editor has spoiled us immensely. I'm sure you remember how long it took to write it the first time around. Think about the multiplicative time savings it has generated for hundreds if not thousands of modders.

Thanks for your hard work and dedication!

Fred Tetra · 02-21-2005, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by tk102
Fred,
I after doing the item extraction pages for Starwarsknights.com I have a new-found respect for KT's item editor. It's been a long time since I've had to jump through all those 2da files looking for information and then looking up references in the dialog.tlk... your Item Editor has spoiled us immensely. I'm sure you remember how long it took to write it the first time around. Think about the multiplicative time savings it has generated for hundreds if not thousands of modders.

Thanks for your hard work and dedication!

You're welcome! I'm glad to hear that my time has gone to good use making things easier for you folks.

Celloa · 02-21-2005, 12:50 PM

Mailed you that info

Fred Tetra · 02-22-2005, 06:09 AM

A new version of Kotor Tool should be posted today.

If you're manually downloading, check that the version number is the one below.

1.0.1879.22455 (2005-02-22)

Features/updates:

Added support for individual path information for KotOR I & II.
Added support for KotOR I & II to Search feature
Search feature user interface improvements; auto selects game type if only one installed, etc.
Editors now indicate when a loaded file has values that fall outside of supported ranges.
2DA files in the override folder (but not in folders therein) will 'override' the ones in the game's BIF archives.
Module locations and descriptions added for KotOR II.
Support for Disguise and Trap properties added to Item editor and Property editor.
Substantial reduction in loading of chitin.key file; this should improve performance on slower PCs.
Moved map info outside of main Kotor Tool application; this will allow addition of new maps without having to reinstall.
Credit for those who made donations. See the "Help | About..." box. Most recently, ChAiNz.2da
Added ability to set output path when exporting models
Redesigned Path Manager layout and added setting for Model Export Location

**ChAiNz.2da** · 02-22-2005, 06:22 AM

. . . . . . .

^^^
(stunned silence and anticipation. Why Oh Why can't I go home

work sucks.... heheh)

This looks great Fred, I'm definitely looking forward to giving this a try when I get home!!

Darkkender · 02-22-2005, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fred Tetra
A new version of Kotor Tool should be posted today.

If you're manually downloading, check that the version number is the one below.

1.0.1879.22455 (2005-02-22)

Features/updates:

Editors now indicate when a loaded file has values that fall outside of supported ranges.

2DA files in the override folder (but not in folders therein) will 'override' the ones in the game's BIF archives.

So if I understand this correctly if I have a baseitems.2da file in overide and I load a uti file that uses this it will not crash now?

Fred Tetra · 02-22-2005, 08:46 AM

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Originally posted by Darkkender
So if I understand this correctly, if I have a baseitems.2da file in override and I load a uti file that uses this, it will not crash now?

The Item editor (UTI) now looks in the Override folder (but does not recurse into sub-folders) for any .2DA file data it needs before it looks in the 2DA.bif for it.

For example, I can open Darth333's d333_warpband.uti, which specifies a property of "CastSpell" which requires spells.2da, with a subtype index of 132, which would be outside of the range of the normal spells.2da. Since you can now specify that you want Kotor Tool to look in the override folder (there's a check box in the Options form, off by default) you can open items such as this.

I did not take the time to improve the error handling in the 2DA "get data based on index" code, if you try to open a file like this with the "Look in Game's Override folder for 2DA files" option off, you will get an error, just like in prior versions of Kotor Tool.

Darkkender · 02-22-2005, 08:53 AM

Fred that is perfectly fine. I was just making sure I understood you correctly before I started dancing like a giddy school girl. Because that explanation is just what I thought it was.

Fred Tetra · 02-22-2005, 09:13 AM

Just to warn folks, there is a minor bug in the Options form handling code.

When you close the form, you'll get an error box. Just click continue. I should a a fix out soon.

EDIT: I have found the bug and fixed it. Watch for a new release soon.

*tk102* · 02-22-2005, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by Fred Tetra Substantial reduction in loading of chitin.key file; this should improve performance on slower PCs.

Nice... toss any hints my way

Fred Tetra · 02-22-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by tk102
Nice... toss any hints my way

Well, the improvement comes from an elimination of an unneeded loading of the chitin.key file every time the user clicked a treenode. (Doh!)

It was a vestigial behavior from the earliest days of Kotor Tool development. It is now gone, as I only load the file when I need to extract a BIF

*tk102* · 02-22-2005, 12:16 PM

Oh, well I guess that doesn't really help me.

Going off-topic sorry: The only trick I've been able to use is to filter my search of chitin.key by a particular file type. In earlier KSEs I had hardcoded the index of certain .bif files as an additional fiter, but that scheme went out the window with TSL.

Fred Tetra · 02-22-2005, 12:27 PM

If anyone downloaded (manually or automatically) version 1.0.1879.18819 (2005-02-22) of Kotor Tool before 5:00 PM EST (GMT -5), please do so again. If Kotor Tool did it via automatic update, you'll need to do so manually.

There is a problem with the startup code that is a pain to deal with; it's just easier to D/L the new version (despite the version number remaining the same; it's just the way it works) than to try to fix your settings.xml file.

As a bonus, there's a few extra features.

I recommend unintstalling (via Add/Remove Programs) and resinstalling manually.

**ChAiNz.2da** · 02-22-2005, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fred Tetra
If anyone downloaded (manually or automatically) version 1.0.1879.18819 (2005-02-22) of Kotor Tool before 5:00 PM EST (GMT -5), please do so again. If Kotor Tool did it via automatic update, you'll need to do so manually.

There is a problem with the startup code that is a pain to deal with; it's just easier to D/L the new version (despite the version number remaining the same; it's just the way it works) than to try to fix your settings.xml file.

As a bonus, there's a few extra features.

I recommend unintstalling (via Add/Remove Programs) and resinstalling manually.

I just downloaded maybe 15 minutes ago (5:10pm), and everything seems to be working. Though I'm wondering if I should do a "just in case" install. Is there a noticable message so one would know wether or not they have the newest "new" verion?

Otherwise, playing around, this new tool is FANTASTIC Fred! Some of the new item options such as "PC-Subrace-Gender Restrictions, Attribute Restrictions, etc." are going to be super-handy! I also noticed in the upgrades required field you've accounted for everything my friend....Superb Work!

and FYI, the "look in .2da" function works like a charm. The disguise property in the .uti editor recognized Shiamon's Uthar appearance right off the bat!

Wow, Wow, Wow!! ChAiNz.2da is hyper-giddy

Darkkender · 02-22-2005, 03:10 PM

Well Fred maybe you can tell me if this is fixed with the new version from the release this morning. What I'm running into is kotor tool is not reading the 2da files from overide it is responding in the same manner with it deactivated as activated. I uninstalled and reinstalled and even deleted my settings XML file to be certain.

also along the same line would you be able to adjust it so it reads the overide for both games and not one of them.

On the plus side at least I can open gff files that are outside of bounds either way now.

Also I forgot to mention this previous but this might be a good time to make note of it. some of the placeables seem to generate a out of bounds error for placeables that are a part of the game. Namely if you open the tomb of tulak horde rim file and try to open any of the urn placeables they all have the same error. I thought this was do to trap type and when you said you where working on that I held back making mention.