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Old 02-06-2004, 11:41 AM   #1
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Unhappy wow, suckage...

I just learned that the girl from the surveylance camera was found dead.

what's up with all these child abduction cases?
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Old 02-06-2004, 11:43 AM   #2
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WHAT!!!

I was so praying for her!!!!

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Old 02-06-2004, 11:44 AM   #3
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Old 02-06-2004, 11:48 AM   #4
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the world is a sick and twisted place.

i think punishment for crimes of this nature should be more of a deterrent than just a few years in prison, because that doesn't seem to stop people from doing this. maybe if they would have their dicks cut off or something more severe, the sick and twisted would think twice about committing these crimes.
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Old 02-06-2004, 11:57 AM   #5
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Unhappy

Here's the guy's mug shot:

Now here's her:

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Old 02-06-2004, 12:03 PM   #6
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maybe if they would have their dicks cut off or something more severe, the sick and twisted would think twice about committing these crimes.
Well said.

It's scary to think that this guy has three daughters. Sick f***! I hope he makes a nice little friend in prison.


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Old 02-06-2004, 12:06 PM   #7
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Well at least they had that video. Now they can FRY his ass! I mean they have the video - they have all the forensic evidence from the car - your looking at a dead man.


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Old 02-06-2004, 12:12 PM   #8
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But just look at her.... now look at him...... it's just.... so... terrible...

Hang him high, I say. Scum like that shouldn't exist in the world.
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Old 02-06-2004, 12:20 PM   #9
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If I have a little girl she's not leaving the house...okay...without a big shotgun.


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Old 02-06-2004, 12:36 PM   #10
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I. Really. Feel. Like. BEATING. UP. THIS! GUY!



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Old 02-06-2004, 12:40 PM   #11
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Yeah, this really sucks.

Hope that guy dies in prison.




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Old 02-06-2004, 02:04 PM   #12
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I've said it for years now, and I'll say it again, "castrate all rapists, and molestors." then place a big block of salt over the wound.

Seriously, these people make me sick. It's a f*cking kid, I mean... come on.

It sickens me that rapists, practically get a slap on the wrist, what they do could be considered worse than murder, in this case it was a double slice to the heart.


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Old 02-06-2004, 05:36 PM   #13
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Well, that's sad, but...

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the world is a sick and twisted place.

i think punishment for crimes of this nature should be more of a deterrent than just a few years in prison, because that doesn't seem to stop people from doing this. maybe if they would have their dicks cut off or something more severe, the sick and twisted would think twice about committing these crimes.
Do you really believe that carrying out sickly brutal, violent and barbaric punishments on such people would make them any less criminal? Two wrongs does not make one right, perfoming sick and twisted punishments upon the sick and twisted is only twice as bad.

I'll assume that you by "sick and twisted" mean "having mental problems". You'll have to understand that mental diseases and physical diseases are actually quite similar to each other, so what's up with people always treating the two completely different? I mean, if a person got sick with cancer, you'd feel bad for him, but if that person is sick with OCD, you'd want to perform brutal inhuman punishments upon him.

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Hang him high, I say. Scum like that shouldn't exist in the world.
Not to be rude, IG-64, but you do not know this person, you know nothing about his mental health, nothing about his childhood, nothing about his genes, nothing about his family... you have absolutly no right to judge him. That counts for all of you. In short, don't judge people you don't know about. Keep in mind that provided the right situation, it might have been you who would kill that little girl (still talking to everyone).

Don't let anger cloud your judgement. Please.

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Old 02-06-2004, 05:43 PM   #14
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"Not to be rude, IG-64, but you do not know this person, you know nothing about his mental health, nothing about his childhood, nothing about his genes, nothing about his family... you have absolutly no right to judge him. That counts for all of you. In short, don't judge people you don't know about. Keep in mind that provided the right situation, it might have been you who would kill that little girl (still talking to everyone). "

Doesn't matter. We should let him off, just because hes mentally ill? Not all people who are retarted go and ****ing rape/kill some one!


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Old 02-06-2004, 05:49 PM   #15
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Only sad people who have a strange idea of the world do this. It just shows how sick and twisted the world really is.


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Old 02-06-2004, 06:05 PM   #16
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They should bring back capital punishment.

Being retarded is no excuse. Any health condition is no excuse.
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Old 02-06-2004, 06:31 PM   #17
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Exactly. If they have no control over what they are doing, they should be kept in one of those home things where people take care of them. They shouldn't be on the streets where they can cause harm to others.


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Old 02-06-2004, 06:51 PM   #18
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Well, that's sad, but...



Do you really believe that carrying out sickly brutal, violent and barbaric punishments on such people would make them any less criminal? Two wrongs does not make one right, perfoming sick and twisted punishments upon the sick and twisted is only twice as bad.

I'll assume that you by "sick and twisted" mean "having mental problems". You'll have to understand that mental diseases and physical diseases are actually quite similar to each other, so what's up with people always treating the two completely different? I mean, if a person got sick with cancer, you'd feel bad for him, but if that person is sick with OCD, you'd want to perform brutal inhuman punishments upon him.



Not to be rude, IG-64, but you do not know this person, you know nothing about his mental health, nothing about his childhood, nothing about his genes, nothing about his family... you have absolutly no right to judge him. That counts for all of you. In short, don't judge people you don't know about. Keep in mind that provided the right situation, it might have been you who would kill that little girl (still talking to everyone).

Don't let anger cloud your judgement. Please.

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It would be different if it was your child.
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Well, that's sad, but...



Do you really believe that carrying out sickly brutal, violent and barbaric punishments on such people would make them any less criminal? Two wrongs does not make one right, perfoming sick and twisted punishments upon the sick and twisted is only twice as bad.

I'll assume that you by "sick and twisted" mean "having mental problems". You'll have to understand that mental diseases and physical diseases are actually quite similar to each other, so what's up with people always treating the two completely different? I mean, if a person got sick with cancer, you'd feel bad for him, but if that person is sick with OCD, you'd want to perform brutal inhuman punishments upon him.



Not to be rude, IG-64, but you do not know this person, you know nothing about his mental health, nothing about his childhood, nothing about his genes, nothing about his family... you have absolutly no right to judge him. That counts for all of you. In short, don't judge people you don't know about. Keep in mind that provided the right situation, it might have been you who would kill that little girl (still talking to everyone).

Don't let anger cloud your judgement. Please.

(BTW: Sorry for making this discussion serious, but it's a serious topic and should not contain only the arguments of one side)

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Old 02-06-2004, 07:05 PM   #20
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They should bring back capital punishment.

Being retarded is no excuse. Any health condition is no excuse.
I highly agree... with everything I quoted you from above... I mean, nowadays anyone who has done something seriously wrong that looks like they're retarded just puts that in the record... so that they will be excused and get a lighter sentence...

Poor girl, at least they found her body and know exactly who did it... I hope the guy gets punished harshly...

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Doesn't matter. We should let him off, just because hes mentally ill? Not all people who are retarted go and ****ing rape/kill some one!
...which only proves that certain people need more help than others. The question is, will you give it to them, or will you hang them for being ill?

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How come? If a football (soccer) player gets a disease which forces him to amputate his leg, then it's not like anyone would be pissed at him for not playing, since it wasn't his fault that he can't play anyway. Why should it be any different with mentally ill persons? It's not as if they choose to be "retarded".

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Exactly. If they have no control over what they are doing, they should be kept in one of those home things where people take care of them. They shouldn't be on the streets where they can cause harm to others.
I can agree that if they are a danger to others, they should be kept out of harm until they are capable of living in society once again.

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It would be different if it was your child.
True, but that's mostly because the case would be more emotional, so you wouln't be able to think properly when it comes to the guilty one.

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i agree with you. i say they should help him and if all else fails put him in a mental home
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I highly agree... with everything I quoted you from above... I mean, nowadays anyone who has done something seriously wrong that looks like they're retarded just puts that in the record... so that they will be excused and get a lighter sentence...
I highly doubt prison would be effective to "cure" mentally ill persons. However, just throwing them back away from prison is not a good idea, mentally ill persons should recieve proper treatment so that they will be capable of functioning in society. Prison doesn't do this, so you'll have to look at other methods (and no, hanging is not a good idea either).

Keep in mind that all criminals are mentally ill in one way or another. Well, we all are, actually. Sort of.


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...which only proves that certain people need more help than others. The question is, will you give it to them, or will you hang them for being ill?

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How come? If a football (soccer) player gets a disease which forces him to amputate his leg, then it's not like anyone would be pissed at him for not playing, since it wasn't his fault that he can't play anyway. Why should it be any different with mentally ill persons? It's not as if they choose to be "retarded".



I can agree that if they are a danger to others, they should be kept out of harm until they are capable of living in society once again.



True, but that's mostly because the case would be more emotional, so you wouln't be able to think properly when it comes to the guilty one.



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I highly doubt prison would be effective to "cure" mentally ill persons. However, just throwing them back away from prison is not a good idea, mentally ill persons should recieve proper treatment so that they will be capable of functioning in society. Prison doesn't do this, so you'll have to look at other methods (and no, hanging is not a good idea either).

Keep in mind that all criminals are mentally ill in one way or another. Well, we all are, actually. Sort of.





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...which only proves that certain people need more help than others. The question is, will you give it to them, or will you hang them for being ill?

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How come? If a football (soccer) player gets a disease which forces him to amputate his leg, then it's not like anyone would be pissed at him for not playing, since it wasn't his fault that he can't play anyway. Why should it be any different with mentally ill persons? It's not as if they choose to be "retarded".



I can agree that if they are a danger to others, they should be kept out of harm until they are capable of living in society once again.



True, but that's mostly because the case would be more emotional, so you wouln't be able to think properly when it comes to the guilty one.



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I highly doubt prison would be effective to "cure" mentally ill persons. However, just throwing them back away from prison is not a good idea, mentally ill persons should recieve proper treatment so that they will be capable of functioning in society. Prison doesn't do this, so you'll have to look at other methods (and no, hanging is not a good idea either).

Keep in mind that all criminals are mentally ill in one way or another. Well, we all are, actually. Sort of.
Well, then, what if he wasn't mentally ill and he was just weak and gave into his wrath in a selfish act to kill an innocent child and then was given "proper treatment" and was praised for his ruthless act? And if he is mentally ill then it seems he is so i'll enough to not be thinking about any of his actions therefore he has no chance in life and should be stopped before he hurts another soul.
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Health conditions shouldn't matter period. It's just a tactic they use to get out of their punishment.

They may have not "chose" to be "retarded," but they "chose" to commit the crime.
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Health conditions shouldn't matter period. It's just a tactic they use to get out of their punishment.

They may have not "chose" to be "retarded," but they "chose" to commit the crime.
First, I am shocked and disgusted at this crime. I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy(rape and such). I would like a bat and a few minutes with our prize-package here...

...but eneogh of that. Whats happened has happened, and his punishment is out of our hands.

Phreak is right, however. Sometimes its true, but its no excuse.

Its sounds very Darwinistic...
...but if someone is homocidal/pediphile/suicidal, something has to be done to protect ourselves.(well, suicidal, we protect them from themselves)
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sick @!#$s like him should just get executed. Mental illness is just a poor excuse. He does not deserve to be taken care of in a special place
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Well, then, what if he wasn't mentally ill and he was just weak and gave into his wrath in a selfish act to kill an innocent child and then was given "proper treatment" and was praised for his ruthless act?
Anyone who murders another person on "purpose" is acting outside of sanity and thus can be classified as mentally ill, in some way or another.

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And if he is mentally ill then it seems he is so i'll enough to not be thinking about any of his actions therefore he has no chance in life and should be stopped before he hurts another soul.
I'm not sure that you realise what you are saying here. Unless I am very wrong, you say that because he is so ill, he deserves to die - myself, I think that being seriously ill is only a reason for needing more help, and he should not be killed for something that is none of his fault and that he is unable to do anything with.

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You have my opinions totally mistaken if you believe I simply want the court to say "You are seriously mentally ill, so you can go home now as a free man". People who are unable to function in society should not be released back to it untill they have regained that function.


Basically, you have three choices about this man. You can put him in prison for 10-20 years, but then he will likely be even more dangerous and mental when you let him out again. Or you can put him in for life or deal with him with death penalty, but both of those kills an innocent life and are cruel and injustful. Or you can choose to give aid to the man in form of putting him into some clinic, in hope that he will one day be able to get back to society as a normal man, and he will not be released before that.

So all in all, you can either let a seriously dangerous man free in society after a certain amount of years, or you can take an innocent life, or you can make an attempt on "rescuing" this man and killing or harming no one for the best of all. I favor the last.

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Health conditions shouldn't matter period. It's just a tactic they use to get out of their punishment.
As I said earlier, all criminals are mentally ill in some way or another. The idea of punishment for crimes is a horrible flawed one, and it mostly does not work (most criminals are in prison several times, but they don't get any less criminal, do they?). But as I have said too many times already, criminals should not be let free even though they have a poor mental condition.

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They may have not "chose" to be "retarded," but they "chose" to commit the crime.
Since the crime is a direct consequense of them having mental issues ("retarded" is not a good word, many mentally ill people are intelligent), I fail to see how you come by the conclusion that they choose to commit the crime when they do not choose to have mental issues.

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First, I am shocked and disgusted at this crime. I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy(rape and such). I would like a bat and a few minutes with our prize-package here...
Two wrongs does not make one right, period.

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Its sounds very Darwinistic...
...but if someone is homocidal/pediphile/suicidal, something has to be done to protect ourselves.(well, suicidal, we protect them from themselves)
Inprisonment is a poor way of doing this, death penalty is brutal and injustful and takes a life, but at a clinic this person will not go free until mentally normal again. The third choice is the safest way of protecting themselves and others from mental illness.


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Or you can put him in for life or deal with him with death penalty, but both of those kills an innocent life and are cruel and injustful.
I fail to see how a murderer, rapist, ect is innocent.

I still believe in death penalty. It may not be "right," but I prefer it over babying criminals in their "prisons."
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Damn, it is a sick world that we live in. Yes he MUST be punished by being sent to prison. None of this 'he's got a mental disorder', or some crap like that. That doesn't make him innocent, this is a young little girl who had her whole life ahead of her that was taken away by this crazy guy. Lifetime is prison suits it.




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What I was reffering to was that after doing something like that I don't think he'll ever "regain function"

besides, not everything is a mental illness, if you cry or beat the table when your mad, it's not a mental illness, there is a thing called wrath, you know. Some people just give in to thier weakness, and it's not always 'cause their brains are broken.
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I can agree that if they are a danger to others, they should be kept out of harm until they are capable of living in society once again....



I highly doubt prison would be effective to "cure" mentally ill persons. However, just throwing them back away from prison is not a good idea, mentally ill persons should recieve proper treatment so that they will be capable of functioning in society. Prison doesn't do this, so you'll have to look at other methods (and no, hanging is not a good idea either).

Keep in mind that all criminals are mentally ill in one way or another. Well, we all are, actually. Sort of.
Sorry man, but I completely disagree with you. You're under the impression that everyone that goes to jail is there because they're mentally ill, and that they're there to be corrected so they can be put back in society.

People who kill, maim, and rape innocent people, and in this case children, deserve death. I don't care if the guy can be "cured" or not - if he's sick enough to take a human life in a cruel and inhumane way, then I want him dead.


My thoughts are out for the family of the girl. And may God have mercy on that sunuvabitch, because I know we sure as hell won't.
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Old 02-07-2004, 12:44 AM   #35
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Anyone who murders another person on "purpose" is acting outside of sanity and thus can be classified as mentally ill, in some way or another.
Rubbish. If that were the case, every murderer out that would be using that as an excuse and there would be no prisons, just half a world of mental hospitals.



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I'm not sure that you realise what you are saying here. Unless I am very wrong, you say that because he is so ill, he deserves to die - myself, I think that being seriously ill is only a reason for needing more help, and he should not be killed for something that is none of his fault and that he is unable to do anything with.
None of his fault? He raped and murdered a young girl. Who's fault is it, ours? We are all responsible for our own actions and should be held accountable for them. If such actions were without concequence (such as a life term in prison or the death penalty), then what would this world be like? I shudder to think.



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but both of those kills an innocent life and are cruel and injustful.
What about this young girls "innocent life" which he chose to take? Hmmmm? He should either have his bollocks cut off or he should fry, full stop.

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So all in all, you can either let a seriously dangerous man free in society after a certain amount of years, or you can take an innocent life, or you can make an attempt on "rescuing" this man and killing or harming no one for the best of all. I favor the last.
Lets see. I think I'll pick... FRY.



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As I said earlier, all criminals are mentally ill in some way or another.
Untrue. Some are, some aren't. You simply cannot generalize like that. Don't confuse mentally ill with evil.

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The idea of punishment for crimes is a horrible flawed one, and it mostly does not work (most criminals are in prison several times, but they don't get any less criminal, do they?). But as I have said too many times already, criminals should not be let free even though they have a poor mental condition.
So you are suggesting that everyone who commits a crime needs to see a shrink instead of going to prison. That is beyond laughable.


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the world is full of sick people. i feel so sorry for the girls unfortunate family. i hope that guy gets a severe punishment for what he has done. its terrible that we are fighting terrorism when we have these sickos in our own country
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Who is saying the abductor in this case was mentally ill? And what mental illness causes you to abduct and kill young girls?

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if that person is sick with OCD, you'd want to perform brutal inhuman punishments upon him.
Having had a father with OCD, I can safely say I have no idea how that was connected with reality. o_O


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Oh, and I'd just like to add that I have two young daughters, and if anything like this happened to one of them, I would personally seek the MF out and without hesitation cut his dick off. And no, I'm not just saying it, I mean it. Would that make me mentally ill? I don't think so.


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Oh, and I'd just like to add that I have two young daughters, and if anything like this happened to one of them, I would personally seek the MF out and without hesitation cut his dick off. And no, I'm not just saying it, I mean it. Would that make me mentally ill? I don't think so.
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i'm with Jed on this too. A girl with her whole life ahead of her taken away cos of this b@$+@rd.

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Oh, and I'd just like to add that I have two young daughters, and if anything like this happened to one of them, I would personally seek the MF out and without hesitation cut his dick off. And no, I'm not just saying it, I mean it. Would that make me mentally ill? I don't think so.
I agree with what you said about the criminal bit. Mind you, there ARE some criminals that have mental disabilities but most of them are those immoral pr!cks. But you say that every criminal has a mental disorder. If every criminal is a criminal because of there mental disability, then you can count everyone here (99.99%) a criminal for things like vandalism, stealing, speeding, not putting a dog on a leash, not reporting bank transaction errors in your favour, riding your bike on the footpath. Therefore we here are all criminals with mental disorders. So ridiculous that I'm laughing at it right now!




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