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Old 03-23-2004, 02:57 PM   #41
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You must have such an ungodly amount of free time on your hands...



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Old 03-23-2004, 07:20 PM   #42
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You can't seriously think the Mon Calamari will be a better civ to play than the Wookiees.


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Old 03-24-2004, 07:57 AM   #43
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Vostok - no i dont, all i was saying is that they were an example of a POSSIBLE replacement, not that i would replace them with Mon Cal.


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Old 03-24-2004, 09:56 AM   #44
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Well you bought it up so at some time you must have thought they would be a better replacement.
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Old 03-24-2004, 11:29 AM   #45
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ForZ - i'd would love to see you prove it. Kinda like WMD's in Iraq i guess, i never believed that the Mon Cal would be a good replacement for the Wookiees, as i said, i was using them as an example of a possible replacement.

I'm also curious as to your position with the Vong, why is it you want them in the game so badly?


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Old 03-24-2004, 07:27 PM   #46
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Well I don't think there is any possibility of Mon Calamari replacing Wookiees. If the Wookiees aren't in the game, the Mon Calamari definitely won't be. If the Mon Calamari are in the game, Wookiees had better be too.


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Old 03-25-2004, 09:35 PM   #47
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keep wookies, but spruce up units. i think the wookie units were a bit weak. buildings made of scrap metal and such. i suggest using wood. not just any wood, but metallic wood. wood with a stainless stellness to it. keep the dinosour mounty though. it was cool.


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Old 03-26-2004, 02:22 AM   #48
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Wookiee units weak??? What game were you playing?
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Old 03-26-2004, 03:32 AM   #49
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everything was scrap metal...


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Old 03-26-2004, 05:19 AM   #50
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It definately wasn't weak scrap metal or not.
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Old 03-26-2004, 04:51 PM   #51
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Wookiees are the least played civ (I believe) but it isn't because their units are weak. I'm sure Saberhagen and Sithmaster can recite a list of what makes the Wookiees a good/bad civ for SWGB1, but I also believe the fact that most of their units are not from the movies has an impact on how much they are played.


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Old 03-26-2004, 05:42 PM   #52
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I think it's very hard to account for why some civs aren't popular. Maybe it has something to do with fashion or herd mentality or something. It seems to change over time anyway, eg sometimes confeds have been very popular and other times they haven't. Wooks (can't spell it ) certainly have an interesting combination of strengths which you would think people would want - air, heavy weapons and troopers, but maybe people find it harder to play because it doesn't fit the normal pattern of air/jedi or mechs/heavies. I also think they arguably have the least annoying sound effects. But who knows?

BTW nitro, what is metallic wood? And how would it look different from metal???
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Old 03-26-2004, 05:52 PM   #53
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well, the wookie homeworld (dont feel like trying to spell) has alot of trees right? therefore, they have hardwood...maybe we should just pretend i never said anything in the first place.....


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Old 03-26-2004, 11:17 PM   #54
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A lot of the noobies start out with your basic mech whoring so thats where the Wookiees are not the best at so they get those first impressions and just don't play them again and move onto an easier civ like the empire. Wookiee troops are the best in SWGB. There air is also one of there benefits. Heavy weapons is what adds that extra fire power. There is a nice art/troop stratergy there is very effective if done right can be impossible to stop. There carbon collecting is the best in late game because of there tech 3 carbon bonus. Lets not forget there beserkers
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Old 03-26-2004, 11:19 PM   #55
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Pre-CC and in DM forever, the Wookiees have been the leaders of the game. Right now, I'd say that they are in the middle somewhere. Anyone who says that Wookiee units are weak has never been at the recieving end of the art/peater combo. Nothing stops it, especilly w/air or aa. And, in case you guys are wondering, people dont give two ****s whether a unit is canon. They only care if its worth building.

I've got an extremely radical idea: lets take the Wookiees out and replace them with NOBODY! *gasps are heard* *Windu faints from the shock* Jesus, I'm tired of people peddling pissant civs that just eat up variety and uniqueness and CPU, and add little to the game. In my ideal world, only the big four should be players, but I have to relent to the enormous pressure to have a Naboo/Gungan cov ncluded. But thats freakin it! You people want a 3d game with good graphics, but at the same time want hordes of unique civs, with tons of units and special features. You want distinct civs, but are suggesting so many that true uniqueness is near impossible. You cant have things both ways.


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Old 03-27-2004, 12:39 AM   #56
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Yeah...

True very true...

Which is why I'm down to:

-Rebel Alliance
-Galactic Empire
-Galactic Republic
-Separatists
-Royal Naboo/Gungan

5 isn't impossible to balance.


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Old 03-27-2004, 01:33 AM   #57
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froz- i like the wookies. the units are just a bit funky looking. and since we dont any wookie units in the movies, everybody would have a different opinion as in what wookie should look like. i wouldve made them look differently. thats all im sayin.


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Old 03-27-2004, 01:56 AM   #58
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Actually Nitro, much of the Wookiees' look is based on the Star Wars Christmas Special which was shown on TV between the release of A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. George Lucas made this reluctantly, but it was still made. Also, much of the Wookiee architecture has been seen in EU, so there's not much point recreating a whole new look for them.


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Old 03-27-2004, 02:36 AM   #59
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oh yes, the notorious christmas special. in that case, the wookie stuff is alrite. i was under the impression that the creators of SWGB just made it all up as they went. my bad.


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Old 03-27-2004, 10:47 PM   #60
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Luke, those are the civs that I would recommend.


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Old 03-29-2004, 03:39 AM   #61
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Yes, as much as I would like the Confederacy and Federation separate and the Naboo and Gungans separate, I don't think this can be done adequately. Five completely unique civs is probably the best we can hope for.


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Old 03-29-2004, 09:46 PM   #62
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Even five unique sivs is a tall order and it can be hard to balance I guess 50 patches down the track theyll get it.
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Old 03-29-2004, 10:06 PM   #63
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If they can balance 4 civ, they can balance 5.


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Old 03-30-2004, 12:20 PM   #64
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There is only one game that has over 2 civs and isnt all the same set of units. And thats WC3 that I've played that has balanced them perfectly.
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Old 03-30-2004, 05:49 PM   #65
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What about AoM? C&C? SC? Any number of other RTS's that are balanced and with 3-4 unique civs?


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Old 03-31-2004, 02:32 AM   #66
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Thats why I said that I've played and I have played a few. In C&C if your referring to generals your mistaken there civs are the worst balanced I have ever seen. Every patch one of them gets the advantage its really sad.

I played SWGB for 3 years online I did not want to leave to another RTS because I know all the egos and smart ass teenagers that are attracted to them. So i dropped RTS for now and moved to SWG where at least most teens have been cut off from since it requires a monthly fee.
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Old 03-31-2004, 04:05 AM   #67
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Froz, are you saying you aren't a teenager? Because judging by your grammar and sentence structure I had pictured you as such. If you're from a non-English speaking country then I apologise.

The balancing in WarCraft 3 wasn't any better than that in C&C Generals. Both are still fun to play and the imbalance isn't strong enough to make a certain civ unbeatable.

4 unique civs is becoming the new standard. First we had WarCraft 3 with the Humans, Orcs, Undead and Night Elves. Then along comes Age of Mythology: the Titans Expansion with the Greeks, Eqyptians, Norse and Atlanteans. Soon EA Games will release the eagerly anticipated Battle for Middle Earth, with Rohan, Gondor, Isengard and Mordor. The next Star Wars RTS could stick to four civs with just the four major political powers, Empire, Rebellion, Republic and Separatist, but if everyone else is doing four it won't stand out. Five civs seems like a workable number, and allows the inclusion of the Naboo peoples, who I think deserve at combined civ at the very least.


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Old 03-31-2004, 07:48 AM   #68
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I say 4 or 6. Republic, Empire, Confed and Rebels need to be in, if you want extra variety the Naboo and TF could be included as well.


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LA seem to be heading in the direction of only having the 4 major powers. That's what they've done with Battlefront, so I wouldn't be surprised if they do it with the next SWRTS. They might include the Wooks to tie in with Ep III though.
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Old 04-01-2004, 04:17 AM   #70
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Vostok I could do perfect spelling and that if I wanted to, but I just could not be bothered and you probably just run yours through microsoft word anyway and do a basic spell check.

And I thought Windu was the most annoying person on the forums but Windu is looking better after every post you make.

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Old 04-01-2004, 10:54 PM   #71
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Thanks Froz, always a pleasure.

Saberhagen: That's true, but I think after SWGB, it would be hard to cut it down to half the civs, even if those civs are entirely unique with 3D graphics and everything, and especially when everyone else is making four-civ games.

I personally think a Naboo-Gungan civ would be better than a Wookiee civ, because while the rumours do say the Wookiees play a large part in Episode III, I don't think they'll play as big a part as the Naboo/Gungans did in Episode I (and II for that matter).


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Old 04-02-2004, 12:07 AM   #72
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Jesus Froz, sounds like you have a little pent up anger to deal with...


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Old 04-02-2004, 02:36 AM   #73
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No when I start throwing out personal insults I get shot down, but Vostok can say whatever he likes and nothing is said....

He has no special stance on these boards I don't care if he has thousands of posts. If he is so worried about my grammar leave the boards. He is tough behind a computer screen in his little trailer but in real life I bet he is a pu**y.
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Vostok only throws personal insults at Windu, and only when he deserves them.
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Calm down Froz, he was only making comments on your grammar.

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Old 04-23-2004, 06:36 AM   #76
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I think Wookies should be allowed for wookie homeowrld maps, ewoks for endor maps, gungans for naboo maps, geonosians for geonosis maps, kaminoians for Kamino maps, and then have both sand people and jawas in tatoonie maps.


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What next!?

Of course there should be wookies!!! I mean comeon, we will probably see Kashyyk in Ep. III, Chewie was already in the movies and he pwned, and if we didn't, that means getting rid of Chewie, which is one of the best people in the movies!!!


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If you can't have a wookie civilization then I suggest maybe adding certain buildings to specific civilizations like Republic and Rebel Alliance that make units other than basic rebel troopers. Maybe for Rebel Alliance have a building make different kinds of wookie troopers, ewoks, bothans, etc.


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Old 05-29-2004, 12:19 PM   #79
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how about an ewok civ?
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Old 05-29-2004, 01:00 PM   #80
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OK, after a long time on the margin of this discussion, and after reading it all, I have to say a few things.

About the balance, it's clear you need fewer civs. 5 at the most.

However, having the four political powers as "unique" civs wouldn't turn out that good.

Besides being entirely anachronical, it would turn out to be one huge civ divided in four factions. Makes no sense? Think about it.
The Empire is the Republic AND The Confederacy. Yet, the Rebels ARE also The Republic. And wait a minute! Weren't Rebels and the Confederacy fighting against the central power? Add the fact that the Confederacy is almost an illusion, being a branch of the Republic designed by the own Republic to bring itself down?

All four civs are exactly the same. Name it X-Wing Fighter or Tie Fighter, they're different in a merely aesthetic way.

Last but not least, don't you think it's a little silly to get personal fights due to a silly discussion about something, that at least for the time being, isn't happenning?

Take it easy people. We have a good community, let's not tear it apart upon baseless arguements.


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