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Old 02-11-2004, 10:30 PM   #41
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Fighting will only get you messed up even more. I don't understand how your school would tolerate fighting. My advice is to go to your parents, get them to notify the school. The school has to listen to parents. Stay near teachers or any other administrator, avoid the bully. That's pretty effective. A bully will not be stupid enough to fight right in front of a teacher or administrator. But don't start the fight, if someone is giving you s***, don't act annoyed. That's what bullies want, to have the satisfaction that they're pissing someone off. If you just shrug something off, they'll eventually lose interest and move on to someone else. But in the meantime, tell your parents. Parent involvement is good. Instead of learning how to fight, and getting yourself messed up even more, and risk getting suspended (How will you explain THAT to your parents?), stop the problem before it gets worse!
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Old 02-11-2004, 10:57 PM   #42
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Not entirely true, there is a manner of respect associated with the abillity to defend yourself. But, more importantly, beating the chitin out of somebody prevents that somebody from beating the chitin out of YOU.

Based on my own experience, fighting gives in no way respect.

And remember that starting a fight will likely get yourself beaten up, as most fights tend to end up in both of them beating each other up. And what if you do beat the chitin out of the other? Congrats, you're now the immature bully of the class.

Fights are easily avoided, and you'll not get into one unless you want to yourself. And not fighting at all is much better than the alternative.


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All the fights I have ever been a whitness too haven't lasted more than 30 seconds so I think if you do get in a fight no one will get too hurt. Depends on where it takes place though. If it's inside or outside near the school then some administrator/teacher will be there as soon as they hear people talking really loud... last person messed with me nicely stoped when I told him toshut the **** up and leave me alone maybe that could work for you :P ( I also gree 3 inches over the summer so I was taller than him then but hey..)

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i think its really sad you are all encouraing a 14 year old to resort to volence, and giving him fighting tips......

hurting him won't help you at all, hes not gonna "fear you" hes gonna be pissed and hurt YOU.


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Some of you sicken me...(you know who you are)

Instead of persuading and telling Michaelmexp that there are alternatives to violence, you provide suggestions on how to tread the path of violence. This kind of thing can be avoided. When you stop thinking of other ways for resolving a conflict, you have already lost the fight.
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Beating the crap out of the kidneys is good. They'll end up pissing blood for a week. My friends have got tips too. I'll find out from them.




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Okay non violent tip eh?

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Some great suggestions here, especially the kick to the bollocks.
By this you mean nuts? If so thats not a good Idea... 'Cause you see, its just like killing a person who is chatting on JO or someone having sabre down. Its like forbidden to perform a nutcracker when fighting, that is if the ifhgt is between two men. A good strategy would be to poke both of his pupils then when he can't see sock him in the face. :P Then do whatever you wish from there.




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Old 02-12-2004, 12:38 AM   #51
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Well, I'm a black belt in Tae-Kwon-Do, but all it takes is common sense...
first of all, just worry about NOT getting hit, this usually takes care of a dorky punk. if u can do this, just ignore the rest.
second of all, don't kick him where it hurts unless he does something really dirty
if he tries to kick you under the waist, move out of the way, block, but don't take it tough...
keep track of your breathing. if the guy hits you, try to regain a breathing rhythm. Without air, you're useless...
just hit him in the gut, then poke his eyes as not to permanently injure, etc.

yep, pretty much some common sense. and remember, DO NOT FIGHT unless you have to... hopefully, with luck, you won't. Like everyone said, stay near someone the bully guy will have to be good around. Just don't take the role of a whimp... that'll give you long-term "non-respect." Good luck.

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Old 02-12-2004, 12:42 AM   #52
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Old 02-12-2004, 12:58 AM   #53
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By this you mean nuts? If so thats not a good Idea... 'Cause you see, its just like killing a person who is chatting on JO or someone having sabre down. Its like forbidden to perform a nutcracker when fighting, that is if the ifhgt is between two men.
BLEH. Taboo or not, if I got stuck in a situation where I had to fight, I'm gonna use any method I have at my disposal to win. A strong kick to the nuts is gonna make a guy think twice about continuing the fight.

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Instead of persuading and telling Michaelmexp that there are alternatives to violence, you provide suggestions on how to tread the path of violence. This kind of thing can be avoided. When you stop thinking of other ways for resolving a conflict, you have already lost the fight.
Meh, we're assuming he's already tried the non-violent means. (which it seems he has)

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And what if you do beat the chitin out of the other? Congrats, you're now the immature bully of the class.
Not true, now you're the person who stood up to the bully and wouldn't allow him to push you around.



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i think its really sad you are all encouraing a 14 year old to resort to volence, and giving him fighting tips......

hurting him won't help you at all, hes not gonna "fear you" hes gonna be pissed and hurt YOU.
You're right. It took me to realize it, but he should find some way to defend himself without hurting the other dude in the process. I feel so ashamed of myself.

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Old 02-12-2004, 01:11 AM   #55
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Michael, don't listen to some of these people. Fighting is NOT the answer. If you fight this kid tomorrow, and even if you win, and you're not suspended from school, it's not like he'll go away forever. You've still got the entire school year to go through with him. And if you kick his ass, he'll just be even more pissed and will try to get back at you. Listen to the voice of reason! Fighting the guy will not solve the problem, it'll only make it worse! Besides, do you really want to take the risk of getting YOUR ass kicked, and getting suspended from school? If you fight, even if it's self-defense, the school will give you no mercy!

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Old 02-12-2004, 01:35 AM   #56
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I say, as long as you've tried to avoid it, then go for it man. don't always regret that you backed away. And if your parents don't understand that you got suspended for defending yourself...then they're not very good parents I say.



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Old 02-12-2004, 01:39 AM   #57
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I agree that he should try to find an alternative, but if the other guy starts a fight, he at least needs to know how to defend himself. Heck, it happened to me, a fight started, no teachers around, and I couldn't run (that school had like a 10 foot patio with one corner where there's a soccer goal, a bench, and a wall. I was cornered there and a fight began, which I barely managed to fight without any major injuries. Like, for example, hitting someone in the vein I said can give you a good head start.

And if you do decide to fight, don't do anything near the nuts, you hit that it becomes anything goes, trust me. Don't start the fight, but do defend yourself.


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Old 02-12-2004, 01:56 AM   #58
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Meh, we're assuming he's already tried the non-violent means. (which it seems he has)
What I'm trying to point out here is that there is always a non-violent way, and it should be our obligation to help him in every possible way to find that path. We've got enough violence in this world, no need to provoke even more.

Heh, I sound like a hippie (no offense to hippies).
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Old 02-12-2004, 02:02 AM   #59
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What I'm trying to point out here is that there is always a non-violent way,
Not once the other guy starts the fight, I just want to give him some pointers, cause I din't want Micheal to get beat up.
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Heh, I sound like a hippie (no offense to hippies).
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Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Old 02-12-2004, 02:06 AM   #60
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This is what I would do.. At my school I luckily have no one that messes with me besides my friends but we have two officers that roam the school all day. I don't know about your school but we have a county sherif and a local officer and you can go to somone like that and no no matter what is going on whether it be verbal assualt or some sort of physical harsament, they will go talk to the person and if you had witnesses you could get the id susspended, or if it happened off campus he could go to juvy.

Also.. teachers aren't the ones to go to.. half of them don't give a rats ass about you anyway. If you didn't have an oficer to go to you could try on of the administrative staff.

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Old 02-12-2004, 02:37 AM   #61
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It's important that Michael does not find himself in a fighting situation in the first place. He must get the school to deal with the bully before the guy goes too far and injures him. In the meantime, he needs to stay away from the bully, avoid him as much as possible. And if the guy does make the first move, shrug it off, act as if it doesn't bother you. Retaliation invites the fight. A bully will most likely not just beat the crap out of you while you stand there taking it. Because if he's trying to show off in front of everyone how he kicked some kid's ass, if you don't actually fight back, no one will be impressed. Anyone can beat someone up while they stand there helpless. Sometimes the best thing to do is just let the bully push him around. Why? Because he'll eventually lose interest. And you can always go to the school staff for help. A bully won't beat you up bad if you're not fighting back, he'll see you as a coward, and won't consider you worth fighting.
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Want a non-violent solution? Get his attention on someone else; ie: Get someone to just start crap with him. Now enough of this hippy love your fellow man bull****.

If your in the school, lockers are a blessing. Loud noises(like his head pinging off of a locker) can disorient the bugger, giving you ample time follow up some more. And if you know any WWE moves, get him locked in one of those (Tazzmission is VERY hard to break out of when properly applied), that way he goes down and stays down until faculty has a chance to break it up.

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Actually, your logic is totally wrong. I know a guy who was mad at someone so he punched him. The guy did nothing, so he punched him again. Still, the guy just shrugged it off and tried to walk away. Well THAT made the first guy mad, so he knocked him down and started punching him in the face and just kept yelling, i'll stop as soon as you fight back.

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Well there's a difference between a bully, and someone that's insane. The bully that Michael seems to be dealing with doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who just thinks everyone can go to hell and if someone looks at me I'll freakin kill 'em. <- Those types of guys aren't usually that popular or with many friends.

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And if you know any WWE moves, get him locked in one of those (Tazzmission is VERY hard to break out of when properly applied), that way he goes down and stays down until faculty has a chance to break it up.
We're talking about little middle school kids (Michael is 13), not six foot tall high school football players in the locker room. Get a sense of what's going on, it's hard to imagine some 13 year old pulling WWE moves. When someone fights at school it's usually a pathetic display. Two really pissed off guys who think they're tough, shoving each other until a teacher breaks it up.
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Well there's a difference between a bully, and someone that's insane. The bully that Michael seems to be dealing with doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who just thinks everyone can go to hell and if someone looks at me I'll freakin kill 'em. <- Those types of guys aren't usually that popular or with many friends.
Actually, the guy I was talking about is a pretty nice guy most of the time, well liked, hell I like him. He's just really strong, and when he's mad..............badnewsbears



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We're talking about little middle school kids (Michael is 13), not six foot tall high school football players in the locker room. Get a sense of what's going on, it's hard to imagine some 13 year old pulling WWE moves.
Hardly. I was doing that crap when I was his age. And the tazzmission is easy. Just get one arm around his neck, and the other under his arm, lock your arms and wrap your legs around him once he's down so he can't move. Apply enough pressure to make his oxygen supply get mighty short so everytime he struggles, he gets weaker and weaker. Very simple move, but very effective.

Watch the sleeper hold on Big Daddy to get an idea.
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1. Stand up to him but dont fight. Let him punch you a few times, if you can handle it. He'll start to get nervous, especially if a crowd's around. Make sure to not show any pain, and to grin evily at him. Give him a look like you're going to really kill him. If he's a real bully, acting like a physcopath will make him piss in his pants.

2. Inform your parents of the fight. As others have said before, the school has to pay attention, or else you should really go to another school.

3. Let him get one good swing at you, and then feign dead. He'll probably get scared, or become off guard, and that's when you get him. This is a last resort, by the way.

Violence itself wont solve much. Try everything you can that is peaceful, and if it doesnt work then you have to fight, unfortunately.



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#1 rule: Always BLOCK YOUR BALLS!!!!


And remember, don't do any of those locking/wrestling moves b u l l s h i t they don't work! And what I would do is kick him in the side of the knee so he loses his balance and take a whack at the face, it will hurt ur hand, but forget about it... easy

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One time I saw a bully picking on someone, and the other guy wouldn't fight and wouldn't fight. As far as I saw the bully got so nervous he kicked the other guy in the balls just to make him fight. BEWARE THE NUT-CRACKER!

Also, nailing a guy with a ball on the nuts will take him to the floor, garuanteed.


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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Michaelmexp: Why do you absolutly have to fight this guy anyway? It's not like people get respect by beating the chitin out of each other, that's just childish IMO.

Just keep in mind: If you don't want to fight, don't. You'll lose nothing. However, if you absolutly do want to fight, just keep in mind the consequences of doing so (which are often quite considerable).
I wholeheartedly agree with Breton...

BTW, where are your parents ? My dad came to school with me when I was 12 after I told him I was in a similar situation. I didnt feel weak, because I just wanted to get on with school/play and life! Needless to say, a cpl of words from my old man to this kid, and the problem was settled.....

However, I have been in a few fights, and come a family of roughnuts, so I can pass on this :

*psychology is the key. Let me quote James Brown
"I don't know Karate, but I know C-razy !"

you gotta act CRAZY man. Pretend your crying, screaming, pretend like your gollum and talk to yourself and go nuts, say every rude word you know and then.............

i) jump on the guy
ii) bite
iii) kick and flail
iv) scream and wail like a banshee
v) pull hair
vi) kick/punch him in the guts...as funny as it sounds, kicking someone in the privates can do irreparable damage...its not worth it in the grander scheme of things

Also, the night before, do some sit ups, play lots of mortal kombat, watch rocky III(where the poor old penguin gets killed), watch 'Fist of Fury' and

but Seriously... I still think you should settle this differently, and who is this 18 year old loser hanging around, hasnt he got any friends his own age to smoke pot with......??

yeah, basically, fighting isnt the answer, but in saying that, I think you may have to end up fighting to learn this yourself, perhaps....

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Eh, the fight didn't happen today anyways.

I'll erm, read all your advice later... As for now.. [Hoovers room. <.<]
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Eh, the fight didn't happen today anyways.

I'll erm, read all your advice later... As for now.. [Hoovers room. <.<]
you asked for advice and you didn't even read it?
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Eh, the fight didn't happen today anyways.

I'll erm, read all your advice later... As for now.. [Hoovers room. <.<]
Then it'll never happen. We have arranged fights outside the flagpole at my school, and usually 90-100 people turn up (My entire year is 140 people). If they don't take place on the day they're set for, then they never do.


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I got it

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Pumpkins bombs?

MG Turret?

or non violent alterantive... Mace Thrower (Like a flame thrower)
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The fight didn't happen today, but it may later. Ignore those who say "FIGHTING IS BAD! AHHH! RUN FOR THE HILLS!BLAH BLAH BLAH!"

Sometimes fighting is the best way to show everyone you're not afraid. It shows them you will not be walked over, go mess with someone else. Besides, fighting saves a lot of time. You can negotiate all day and get no where.

Whatever road you choose to walk down, I'm not here to judge you. (Like some of these clowns are doing)

If it does lead to conflict, give it all you got!




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^what he said.


Vader's wife was very pregnant when she died 19 years ago. All of a sudden a 19 year old who is very strong in the force and has a distinct resembalance to him in his younger days rolls in from Vader's home planet with his old Master Obi-Wan (Who was the ONLY other person preset at the time his wife died. And to boot, the kid's last name is Skywalker.

So in answer to your question, he knew Luke was his son because his name is Darth Vader, and not Darth Retard.


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The fight didn't happen today, but it may later. Ignore those who say "FIGHTING IS BAD! AHHH! RUN FOR THE HILLS!BLAH BLAH BLAH!"
The message here isn't to run away like a coward, its that there is always a way to avoid violence. Not by acting craven, but by standing your ground and being disciplined with yourself. Beating the crap out of someone may make you look strong, but restraining that urge gives you strength where it counts.
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So he should just stand there and take a beating, not doing anything to look out for himself.

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The fight didn't happen today, but it may later. Ignore those who say "FIGHTING IS BAD! AHHH! RUN FOR THE HILLS!BLAH BLAH BLAH!"

Sometimes fighting is the best way to show everyone you're not afraid. It shows them you will not be walked over, go mess with someone else. Besides, fighting saves a lot of time. You can negotiate all day and get no where.

Whatever road you choose to walk down, I'm not here to judge you. (Like some of these clowns are doing)

If it does lead to conflict, give it all you got!
Let's see...

Fighting is also a good way to:
  • -Get suspended from school.
    -Get in serious trouble with your parents.
    -Get the crap beaten out of you.
    -Continue a world of pointless violence.
    -Make yourself no better than the bully.
    -Get hated by the bully even more, and now his friends will be out to get you.

Do you really want all these side-effects? I don't think so!

What would fighting him gain you? More enemies, for one. Plus, if you did fight, and even if you won, what makes you think he'll just leave you alone? The exact opposite, he will be out to GET REVENGE! Then the real damage happens. And by real damage I mean crime.
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