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Old 03-28-2004, 01:37 PM   #1
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GamingForums Power Freak Admins

I'm posting this here because if I post it there the power freaks that be delete it because it's about them...

Anyway over the past few weeks a couple of admins and mods at gamingforums.com are getting really really annoying; going well past letting their personal feelings control their job.

They always gloat about Gamingforums being about free speech but if you question anything they do...they tell you "you're just another guy trying to make a difference who knows nothing" and close the thread or flame you.

They recently closed a forum (The Melee) after AzH decided it was being abused...a mere 2 weeks before he told me that no matter what is said in there I cannot take it seriously (as I did ) and it should just be ignored...his reason for shutting the forum down was people are taking it seriously - he tells me to ignore it and then acts on the very thing I was told to ignore.

A thread was made called "Aprés Melee" (literally After the Melee) where we were talking about the effects of removing the melee - a fair thing yes? According to two of the mods...no...even though no one shouted or insulted anyone that thread got closed because "we're not putting the melee back and not going to listen to you"...even though the thread wasn't about getting it back! It was a very good discussion thread.

Another thread about "A Bloke Forum" got closed because even though we were discussing (no shouting or arguing again) it was said we should have one more than once and this seemed to validate closing down the thread!

Those 2 incidents alone really contradict free speech don't they?

But to top it all off (this really is the biggy)...I made a thread asking why these 2 things were done and the logic behind it...AzH posted sarcasm in reply and Mihail just closed it...then it got deleted completely! You can't even begin to question anything done by an admin there...they are so sure they are always right. Just consider this carefully...I made a thread asking why two completely fine threads were closed and their reply was sarcasm and deletion of the thread.

Well that's my rant done, I really am sick of the power freaks there now. A moderator should be someone with sense who can cope with criticism...they're just high and mighty 20 somethings who can't see past their own ego.

LOL this is to show you just how bad they are: http://www.stargatemods.com/misc/lol.jpg . See how they treat members? Did my post warrant a "f**k off"? Oh and note instantly closed as well And since when is forum policy to tell members to f**k off and to close threads that show disagreement for an admin action? Since when is it wrong to post your views?


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Old 03-28-2004, 02:02 PM   #2
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Also, if you agree that he's acting too much on emotion now (just go look around at other threads he's closed) then send an email to contact@gamingforums.com saying you think he's going too far. Be sure to mention my username of WadeV1589 because I want them to know I don't let poor admins get away with things.


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Old 03-28-2004, 03:25 PM   #3
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the humor in all of this is that this thread probably will be closed....


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Old 03-28-2004, 03:50 PM   #4
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My hope is these forums have more standard administrators and moderators who know what posts should and should not be closed/deleted. I don't think I've had any or seen any problems here to date due to admins being power hungry and it's a popular site.


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It's never good to have childish people as mods or even Admin, Our staff always has been good at their job, closing with a good reason to, and able to keep there cool when provoked.
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Mail sent, what that guy is doing is ridiculous

and yes i did not forget to subtly mention you
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Old 03-28-2004, 04:19 PM   #7
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To be quite honest, the adminstration of those forums are completely fubared. I nearly got banned with no warning there for advertising in my sig, which is something admin/staff can do, but regular members cannot.

All I have to say is the next time you think our staff is ****ed up, take a glance over there and hush up
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Old 03-28-2004, 04:26 PM   #8
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Like I said, to date, no problems here, arguments yes but it was like arguing with a friend, you argued and that was that, over at GF if you argue with an admin they get revenge using their powers, something that should not be allowed.

Did you know AzH has only been there since August? Strange how he's a senior admin isn't it?

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Old 03-28-2004, 05:21 PM   #9
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The humour.

See how bad we have it over here.
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Old 03-28-2004, 07:01 PM   #11
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Heh, I remember them deleting our posts in the thread abou the "Too large Searching specification" or something sortalike. Those guys are WHACKED.
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I cant believe they almost banned our Jed, who seems quite placid, then again I dont know him *that* well.....

well, lucky I dont go over there, if thats how you get treated...

*makes mental note to avoid GF*

Generally, the mods here are very good. Yes some are strange, but they still do a good job and arent nasty towards people.. Really theres only one I can think of who I think sometimes incites and lets himself get drawn into unnecessary conflicts, but he shall go nameless for now...

and yes obi13, despite your fetishes you are great at what you do here

Need I say that my fave mod is lexxy, and Kurgan/Stormie/Andy deserve much respect for having to deal with probably the most unstable elements of the LF crowd...

Yep, I would suggest you contact the powers that be, make sure you make quotes about comments he has made to you an dothers and in which specific threads. Also, pm others who he has given similar treatment and see what they think, if you can get even a handful of ppl to complain about this clown then something would be done about it quicksmart...

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Old 03-28-2004, 09:14 PM   #13
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Over the past few weeks I've said my opinions freely about anything, if I see a mod do a bad job I'll say so, I don't believe in a mod is always right...they're only human and make mistakes; the problem is at GF if you do that they insist you're a f**king moron (literally they say that), and if it's a non swearing admin they do their best to put you down,

Once I was told they value user feedback...so I gave them genuine feedback only for the thread to be closed with AzH saying "no, final, no" folllowed by a length of sarcasm...then the thread gets deleted!

Oh yeah and then there's the whole homosexuality thing...now please put any of your hates aside, I am gay and I don't hide it...but at GF if a gay guy says anything they get told "you're just trying to stand out as a proud gay guy leaving your point" even when it's NOTHING to do with relationships!

I'm not angry at them, if AzH had valid reasons I'd be angry but I've been banned because I questioned the mods decisions...the decisions I've mentioned before I might add. So basically I was banned for standing up for the truth and the minorities against admins who can only see their own 'perfect' ego. If you argue and do what a mod asks you not to...then it's a valid reason...but I was banned for saying "that doesn't seem right"...not actually doing it myself!


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Since you are a friend of mr. Wade, you should really
ask him to forward the answer I sent him before you
begin making complaints.. That clearly explains a
point or two, which he had missed in his rather
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him that if he gets more of his friends to contact us,
it will have consequences for them as well. If he
still has a problem with this, he can write a book for
all I care.
Doesn't that show you the arrogance perfectly? No matter how many people say they're wrong they just stick their middle finger up at them.

Oh yeah the "email he sent me":
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You claim that you have been here longer than the Senior Administrator AzH, yet apparently you have NO idea whatsoever about how Gaming Forums works. I could go into great detail about the organisational levels of forum administration, but suffice it to say that noboby is promoted simply by 'pulling strings'. It takes great responsibility, dedication and understanding; none of this apparently present with you.
Once a member of the staff (no matter what rank) decides that a thread needs closure or a post must be deleted, it will be decided after careful consideration. Whether you agree with the decition or not is of absolutely no consequence. The word of a member of the staff is always final, and as a member you agree to follow the instructions of the staff and abide by the forum rules, whatever that may be.
A thread of yours was closed but you make multiple threads regarding the closure of this after each being closed too. This conduct is in no way acceptable and is delt with according with the forum guidelines. Then you have the insolence of contacting us with your impudent allegations against a member of the staff.
Your ban from the forums was supposed to be only temporary to give you time to reform your behaviour.
However, I must inform you that you are no longer welcome at Gaming Forums. We do not wish to have members who completely disregard the general rules and even insult the staff when doing its job.
I'll just let you read it...then go find examples where I did all these things without direct provocation...oh wait you can't! Silly me...they deleted them all!


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Old 03-29-2004, 10:26 AM   #14
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meh, it's their forum, let them burn it to the ground. No one is making the members stay... or are they?
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wow, that guy is a real a-hole. As an admin for another forum, I hate seeing stuff like this, something similar happened on my own forums. We had a post your own pic thread, so one of the mods got mad that people were posting in the thread without attatching a pic, so the mod deleted half the posts in the thread and issued a verbal warning. That pissed me off, and that person is no longer a mod or even welcome in my forums. I guess people feel like they have to assert their dominance. A good mod is one that barely does anything, deleting or moving stuff when they have to, not when they want to.


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Old 03-29-2004, 12:06 PM   #16
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Wow Wade, those I'd forget about Gaming Forums and the morons who run it...... two words F**K 'EM ! Stay here with us, youre friendly LF buddies, where the admins are weirder than the posters *points at obi13*

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Old 03-29-2004, 12:20 PM   #17
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"where the admins are weirder than the posters"

I like that

On the topic...it seems more and more people are telling me "yeah I've had problems with him before"...it seems many people don't like the way he works. Makes you wonder how he got the position really doesn't it? Makes you wonder even more how he's been able to keep hold of it.

Oh wait we covered this...they're gone in the head, behaviour doesn't matter because 'they're admins and can do what they like as they're always right'...sorry I really can't grasp that concept of "always right" sided with stupidity.


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I cant believe they almost banned our Jed, who seems quite placid, then again I dont know him *that* well.....

yes he is
he blames the drink, but personally i think its just nerves...




the viagra is working though


oh placid! i thought you said flaccid

hehehehehehehheeh


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anyway...

yeah, we've good admins and mods over here

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Old 03-29-2004, 12:28 PM   #19
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Yes, we wub joo...


...lets pretend I never actually said that like that, damn l33tisms....ARGH again!


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I see Wade has decided to take this case even further into the absurd...
If you visit Gaming Forums, you might recognise me..
Allow me to quote from the forum rules, a passage which says it all:
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This is really all that is to it. If you don't like the forum staff, then it's just too bad. Nobody is forcing you to stay.

Late Edit: To all persons reading this remember to see the case from both sides. So far you have only been told one story.
@ Kylilin. I am the administrator who has been answering all the mail regarding this case. If you think I am an arrogant a-hole, you should really see some of the mails we have been receiving lately.

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One side? Oh you mean my side, the side thats' really hard to prove because all the threads were deleted...and yet people still believe it. Doesn't that tell you something Dreadnought? Not noticed the fact that other people say they've had problems with your staff?

Let me quote myself and people with intelligence:

"Power is the source of corruption and anyone who abuses it should be removed ASAP"

I am not the only one to disapprove of the way some of your staff acts and you insist you value feedback and yet so far you've totally ignored everyone about it. I bet a petition of 100 people wouldn't even nudge you a millimetre towards giving it even the tiniest of thoughts.

Did you miss the whole he insulted me, treat me like s**t and swore at me in public? Did you miss the constant arguments myself and AzH had, did you miss his stereotyping of me in a thread where not a bad word had been said about anything? Did you miss him deleting threads purely because he didn't like them and not because they had any other reasons for deletion?

Blind man, totally blind; and so mature with your two emails to me today that say "**** off. we don't care" (actual quote there guys).

Oh yeah and he said if we don't stop emailing him to say we disapprove he'll spam me! How mature and administrative is that?


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I've had threads deleted, posts deleted, posts edited, and been banned (I know, I can barely believe it myself! ) from other forums. And very nearly have been banned here a few times. Now don't get me wrong, it sucks to have a place you visit pretty regularly tell you "you're no longer welcome" or whatever. But I guess you just have to have thicker skin, because I tend to take a "who cares?" stance. I mean, I wouldn't WANT to be banned, or intentionally go out of my way to get banned, but it's happened and I just think, "well it's their house". Why fight it? If it were a person or a friend, instead of the anonimity of these faceless so-called "power hungry" mods that said "get the hell out of my house, and never come back" would you keep going back and asking why? Maybe you would. I personally wouldn't. There's nothing in any forum rules I've ever read that says you have to like all the mods and admins, which is a good thing. Just as I'm 100% sure they don't have to like every member. But the difference is, you DO have to respect their decisions everywhere I've ever been. That doesn't mean you have to agree with or like their decisions.

The only power these mods or admins ANYWHERE have over you, is that which you allow them to have. If it sucks that bad for you over there, I'd just not go back. Then watch...*POOF* Their "power" is magically gone.
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@ Kylilin. I am the administrator who has been answering all the mail regarding this case. If you think I am an arrogant a-hole, you should really see some of the mails we have been receiving lately.
I sympathize with you, I really do. But from what I read in the attatched image from the first post, I agree with Wade. You are an admin, and that is no way to talk to or treat the members of a forum. Your job is to be above that type of behavior, or else who would bother joining your forums?

People out of line? A warning. Out of line a second time? Banned. No arguments, no cursing people out. Its as simple as that.

You just need to figure out that the less you interfere the better your forums are going to be. Case in point are the admins and mods here, who post regularly, but never assert their powers unless they have to, and even then it is used with modicum of control. You just think because you are an administrator so everyone has to bow down to what you say, it doesn't work like that. And if you disagree with that, then you deserve every ridiculous and nasty email you are getting.


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Wow,


Your threads were closed because they were just new ones based on topics origionally closed. Something I'm sure is done here as well. It's not some power hungry trip we get off on, it's just common sense. The first thread was closed, why make another one if only to instigate everyone further into a even more heated debate? What about the origionals? you mean the 'guy forum' so that homosexual males and females can post pictures of guys? Sorry no, mainly because it would only be used by a few people. We have a ton of forums on gamingforums, including a widely used 'babe forum'. Considering most of the forum goer's are males, it seemed more appropriate to add. We can't always approve every forum that is requested.

The other one about the closing of the melee, I agree, it should've been handled a bit better by my staff, and for that I will discuss it with them. Since you are no longer welcome on gamingforums, I'll answer the reason here, azh told you not to take anything personal in that forum, you agreed not to, but others didn't.. they continued to, and that attitude was used in various other forums in which it wasn't appropriate for. You have freedom of speech, but I must remind you, with that privledage comes responsibility to follow the rules we have laid out in order to keep some kind of sanity. Instead of being responsible, you chose to make a thread about the closing of the melee and why it should be reopened. So you disagreed with something an admin did.. which we have contact@gamingforums.com for, but instead created a new thread in order to try and gather a following to make us reopen it. They closed that forum, something at the time I disagreed with, but showed me some of the reasons why it was.. I then agreed it should be. Some examples of why it was closed is because it was turned from a 'vent your steam about your lives or just about anything else forum' to a 'personal attack against anyone on the forums only' forum. Why would any adminsitrator allow that type of forum that's solely meant to attack other members only(which it became), even in jest? Most woud agree it wouldn't be around for long. That forum lost the spirit in which it was inteanded to be used for.

From the emails I was fowarded that you wrote to him, it seems you have more of a vendetta against him than he does for you.

We close threads that critisize moderators and administrators there, not because you don't have a right to freedom of speech, but because we prefer those issues to be handled in private. It's common courtesy.

I'm sorry if this post is a bit long, but these are the types of threads he was creating and were closed. Again, I agree it could have been handled better, but he shouldn't have created them in the first place. I don't know how the staff of this forum handles such situations, as almost every forum is different, but on gamingforums, we prefer to keep complaints about the staff and their decisions kept in a private conversation.

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But if it were kept in a private conversation wouldn't the outcome be the same as it being discussed in public?
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n0e I'm sure you have everyones best intentions at heart, but I'm not so sure you understand that sometimes problems stem from the admins.

One of my threads were closed mid-discussion that didn't involve the staff at all, they have the right to post, duh, but we were discussing (which seeing as it's a forum we have the right to do). However good old AzH came over, had a go at me, then when I replied, he closed the thread. This thread then got deleted.

In that case I started a second thread to find out why this is the case. The result? Sarcastic post from AzH and thread closed, deleted.

Finally I make a thread (annoyed I admit) as to why I'm being treat like dirt by staff, particularly AzH...what happens? I get banned by AzH because I supposedly was the wrong guy; not once was AzH questioned about the way he was acting towards me.

On top of that he had a go at me blaming my sexuality on me needing to be proud in any way I can which was totally out of order...any response from senior staff towards him? Not a thing...now if I had said something like that about him, oh boy, instant temp-ban without question.

Don't go preeching when your own staff are so twisted. It's a pitty it really is but I won't back down on this after all AzH did. I will not tolerate it and will speak publicly about it because in the end, you'd rather it be swept under the carpet and sooner forgot about than actually face it and sort it out.

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Of course you totally forget the fact that maybe I wrote those emails in response to actions by Azh, ever think of that?


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But if it were kept in a private conversation wouldn't the outcome be the same as it being discussed in public?
Well, the debate can contine in private. We prefer this. In a public forum the discussion would be closed.
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It's pretty clear to me who's stirring all the $#!+ over there, without reading anything that actually went on.
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n0e I'm sure you have everyones best intentions at heart, but I'm not so sure you understand that sometimes problems stem from the admins.

One of my threads were closed mid-discussion that didn't involve the staff at all, they have the right to post, duh, but we were discussing (which seeing as it's a forum we have the right to do). However good old AzH came over, had a go at me, then when I replied, he closed the thread. This thread then got deleted.
and which thread would this be? We don't delete threads, we move them to a hidden forum for reasons such as this. I'd love to see what you said to him to anger him so much. Sorry, I'm not going to join your crusade against azh.. because that's all it seems to be at this point in time.

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In that case I started a second thread to find out why this is the case. The result? Sarcastic post from AzH and thread closed, deleted.
If you had followed the rules that you agreed to, you would know that making a new thread about a closed discussion isn't allowed. I believe I mentioned that in my reply.

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Finally I make a thread (annoyed I admit) as to why I'm being treat like dirt by staff, particularly AzH...what happens? I get banned by AzH because I supposedly was the wrong guy; not once was AzH questioned about the way he was acting towards me.

On top of that he had a go at me blaming my sexuality on me needing to be proud in any way I can which was totally out of order...any response from senior staff towards him? Not a thing...now if I had said something like that about him, oh boy, instant temp-ban without question.
Something I can see turned out of context.

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Don't go preeching when your own staff are so twisted. It's a pitty it really is but I won't back down on this after all AzH did. I will not tolerate it and will speak publicly about it because in the end, you'd rather it be swept under the carpet and sooner forgot about than actually face it and sort it out.
Something that can be dealt with here.. by this staff.

Also, don't go preaching on about how you were so abused, when in fact you yourself caused most of the situations that related to this mess. Do I want a mess to exist? Of course not.

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Of course you totally forget the fact that maybe I wrote those emails in response to actions by Azh, ever think of that?
I did think of that, and yet you contiued to banter him.

I defend my staff fully. I discuss with them things that should be done differently in private. Something you should think about before dragging another community into something you believe should be on the news.

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Do you know why I posted this here? Think about it...that's right, I got banned by AzH. Did you see that thread where tFighterPilot asked why I got banned and the staff just went insane, spamming the thread to bits? That one got closed and deleted too...a fair question asked by a user of the forums destroyed by your staff leading to its deletion. Do you condone that type of action?

And seen as that happened does it not occur to you that sometimes the staff will just mess around and screw up? AzH is guilty of that just he then remembers he's an admin and screws with his powers.

"I'd love to see what you said to him to anger him so much" - well if you do indeed move them and not delete them, try and find the start of it, I'd love to know what I said to anger him as well...oh wait does this mean you agree he acted out of anger? Hmm I got banned because of AzH's mood, what an admin!

" If you had followed the rules that you agreed to, you would know that making a new thread about a closed discussion isn't allowed" - you know I'd swear if a thread gets closed by an admin and they say "that's the end of it" I'd agree but oh wait...it got deleted after a sarcastic post (it's called the last laugh by many which an admin shout NOT do...closing a thread should not be done with sarcasm from an admin nor insults). So it got closed by Azh after his beautiful post...and then totally deleted, a fair discussion. Dreadnought told me that before a thread is closed it has to have good reasoning....do tell me what the good reasoning was...your members were DEBATING FRIENDLY...where is the reason for its closure? Did it hurt anyone? No.

What you're saying to me is when a thread is closed, no matter how absurd or illogical the reason and even if it was done by an admin who just doesn't like you....we should let it pass. Oh wait no...you said we should email you; my bad, you're right maybe I should have skipped it and emailed BUT what proof would I have had? It would've been an admins word against mine and of course, he'd win; my only other choice was to make him muck up, give him an opportunity to slip up so I had actual evidence against him - it's sneaky and not a nice way to do things but he's an admin, he can get away with a lot.

"Also, don't go preaching on about how you were so abused, when in fact you yourself caused most of the situations that related to this mess" - and this sums it up...it's not Azh, of course not, the simple fact is I'm saying it is, he's had it in for me since I spoke freely in the melee (that place you can't take anyone seriously - he said).

AzH IS a power freak, major abuser and lets his personal feelings affect how he works in the forums. You don't have to believe me; I know you won't even if I could show you him acting out (which I can't because he banned me).

So because trying to argue a valid point at GamingForums is about as likely as George Bush saying "OK OK the war was personnel, no WMD's" then I'll continue to rally support elsewhere.

There is one major difference in this scenario between GamingForums staff and I, people who don't even know me agree with me on this and have past experience with your staff. At GamingForums the staff stick together along with one or two members who can do nothing better than suck up to you.

To sum up: if AzH was my boss and I was a lowly office worker and he constantly picked on my work and the stuff I did and then fired me because he didn't like it, even if it was good; would you stand for it?


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I'm done with this.. it's apparant you just want to flame and bash on a member of my staff. No good will come of this.

And no, I'm not avoiding the questions, I refuse to dignify them with a response, something I'm entitled to do.

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In other words "I can't argue against you because I'm not too sure myself but to say one of my admins is wrong would hurt GF too much so I'd rather ignore you completely"

Sounds spot on n0e The argument of uncertainty is the "not dignifying it with a response" reply because the only argument you have is "admins are always right and never start anything".


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It can suck being banned from a forum you often visit, but I think you are fighting for a lost cause. I also run a forum with quite a few mods, admins,... and even if they did something wrong in my eyes I wouldnt disagree with his methods in public. I would even defend him from all arguments thrown at him. It would only decrease his powers if I did.
(What would you say when a cop says yes to you and the major says no? Most likely the next time the cop says something you are likely to put it aside.)
But besides my public approval I would talk about his behaviour privately to resolve indifference and improve the forum atmosphere.
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Except this admin publicly insulted me (and the general gay population) which defies what you're saying - how can you defend someone who'll go that far on the very forums he's supposed to control?

On top of that how can I fight privately when as you say you'll defend your team... I HAVE to do it publicly because it takes an entire army to make a difference to GF, a small group can do nothing, but a large group, that has a chance.

Chances are it will die down eventually but I won't let it die down without leaving a mark so in the future when he slips up this will be in the back of their minds.

No war has been won by saying "they're powerful"; be it a war of aggression or a war for rights; to make a difference you must stand up and face the people who would otherwise put you down, no matter how trivial or absurd some may see it. - Oh and to those who say 'it's just a forum'...a newspaper is just a forum in effect is it not? Except online you can actually reply to the topics and they can be just as important.


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I understand you are frustrated at being banned, and wish your voice to be heard, and I hate to play devil's advocate, but this really has no place here. How the staff at GF run thier forums is thier business, not ours, and if you wish to continue this discussion, I suggest you do it via email.

Thread closed.

Edit/ Wade has asked me to post a link to his forum thread where anyone can continue this discussion if they wish.

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