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Old 05-27-2004, 05:47 PM   #41
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Yea, what you said was insulting...there's really no way to cast 'mindless' in a postive light - even for CBS News. You have to at least be able to read a teleprompter.

Hey...somebody's gotta be a pessimist. Guess it's me in this case.

I'll be playing SW:BF when it comes out because I don't expect it to be crap. I just also don't expect it to be a wild SW orgy of fantastic proportions, that's all.
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Old 05-27-2004, 05:50 PM   #42
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Wow.

I'm not going to take the tongue lashing any longer. All I wanted to do was bring to light some points that I thought were valid and open some discussion on them. Your input was much appreciated, Van, as you're the only other guy that has contributed anthing substancial as far as discussion and arguement goes on this thread. The lack of respect is disappointing. *shrug* Your prerogative I guess.

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Yeah, because posting things you don't agree with or making typos prevent my posts from contributing.

I noticed you never replied to them, rather just pointing out that I made a typo or a curse word...


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Old 05-27-2004, 07:24 PM   #43
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I paid LOTS of attention to the hype over Galaxies and as of now I can't play it (capabilities), however I won't let that get to me about this.
This seems like a cool game, but not the "Ultimate SW experience."


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I'll admit, alot of the hype is promotion, but it will be a great game. Like, ep3 the game wont be the ultimate Jedi experience, but it will be good.
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Of course Battlefront won't be the "Ultimate Star Wars Experience", that's reserved for The Sith Lords!



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Of course Battlefront won't be the "Ultimate Star Wars Experience", that's reserved for The Sith Lords!

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That brings up an interesting point. If video game designers make games lacking just so they have to make another one to compensate, then where did these games come from?

Halo
SW: KOTOR
Need for Speed: Underground

These games -- and more like them -- are about as good as they get. They all have sequels coming out, but that's because they are good, not because they suck.

Likewise, the EA Sports titles are struggling for new content each year because they make each one as good as they can.
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A) Do you think we are stupid?
B) Whats wrong with having hopes?
C) Discussing things we would like to see is bad? how?
D) If you like to troll and flame go try gat city lol!


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D) If you like to troll and flame go try gat city lol!
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Well...that was an interesting read.

First of all, tfighterpilot, Schetter and VanLingo...flames are not necessary and certainly not appreciated on these forums. If you want to flame each other, take it to AIM, ICQ or whatever other instant messenger you use, and keep it out of these boards.

Secondly - Schetter, this is a discussion forum. People come here to talk about things, sometimes in the minutest details, because it interests them. You may view it as people hyping the game up - I see it as people simply trying to put the game into perspective in their own minds. If someone picks up on a certain 'feature' that hasn't been confirmed in the game, and expect it to be there on release, then that's their problem.

I always tell people to check what has officially been confirmed, because nine times out of ten, if it's not written down anywhere, then feature 'X' probably isn't in the game. That's not to say that people can't still speculate on game content, and express their hopes and desires - as long as they realise such things may not come to pass.

One thing I feel is certain - Pandemic Studios under partnership with Lucasarts is trying to make the best game they can with the resources they have available. No one sets out to make a game with obvious flaws in some attempt to give a franchise longevity - because these days game reviewers can make or break a title. If they break it, then the company loses sales - and it's becoming increasingly harder to satisfy some of these jaded gaming media hacks. I have a gut feeling that Battlefront will have it's review score whittled down just because of it's looks, because too many reviewers put too much emphasis on graphics these days.

But that's another issue.

Of course game developers and publishers are in the industry to make money. They won't make money by slacking on game development, or not making it as good as it can be. Whether their particular design decisions satisfy the end consumer is another matter - they obviously have their own particular design goals, and their own idea of what they expect to achieve with a title.

Personally, I've never viewed Battlefront as a potential 'Ultimate SW experience' - and in my view, such a game will never exist. Why? Because all games, no matter how well crafted, have flaws. Not bugs - but flaws in the nitty gritty details of gameplay. All of the great titles people can mention, from KOTOR to Deus Ex, Half-Life to Jedi Knight, have flaws. Even if they are 'perceived' flaws - i.e., a gamer sees something that they think could be better. Everyone has their own ideas of 'perfection' in terms of gaming, and our personal tastes obviously differ from person to person.

Just look at some of the realy lengthy debates in the likes of the Jedi Outcast forum on these boards to see what I mean. One man's ambrosia is another man's poison - and game developers cannot (and should not try to) please everyone.

Battlefront will be as good as they can make it, while compromising to ensure the online gameplay is as smooth as possible. According to develop interviews, the game is actually almost completed - but they are going to spend months in balancing and tweaking the gameplay to try and hit the 'sweet spot' between performance and experience.

Anyway, let's try to keep these kinds of discussions civil in the future. Feel free to disagree with someone else's point of view - but there's no need to resort to insults in getting your own point across. Anyone can say 'Your post sucks' or 'You suck'...but that just shows a level of immaturity and an inability to debate. If you can debate a point in a meaningful way, that usually earns the respect of other members.
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Old 05-28-2004, 08:55 AM   #51
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dear me, some people in this thread need to grow up.
the guy posts his views on an up and coming computer game, and you guys act like he just called your mothers fat or something.
if you don't agree with something then post your opinion on the subject, donít resort to flaming.

I think hype can be damaging too, more often than not when something is built up too much then the end result is likely to be an anti-climax.

battlefront looks good and like a lot of fun. will it be great? will just have to wait and see.
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Old 05-28-2004, 09:03 AM   #52
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dear me, some people in this thread need to grow up.
the guy posts his views on an up and coming computer game, and you guys act like he just called your mothers fat or something.
if you don't agree with something then post your opinion on the subject, donít resort to flaming.

I think hype can be damaging too, more often than not when something is built up too much then the end result is likely to be an anti-climax.

battlefront looks good and like a lot of fun. will it be great? will just have to wait and see.
Again I didn't flame him for his opinions, it was because he laughed on my typo


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dear me, some people in this thread need to grow up.
the guy posts his views on an up and coming computer game, and you guys act like he just called your mothers fat or something.
if you don't agree with something then post your opinion on the subject, donít resort to flaming.

I think hype can be damaging too, more often than not when something is built up too much then the end result is likely to be an anti-climax.

battlefront looks good and like a lot of fun. will it be great? will just have to wait and see.
Ummm... You have nothing better than that to post? Dear me, you must be French.

Hey, Storm, you mentioned flaming as a result of not being able to debate. What if you logically debate the issue, and then flame for spite?
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Ummm... You have nothing better than that to post? Dear me, you must be French.
That's just wrong...


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tFighter, we were already over this a LONG time ago. The only thing you 'contributed' to this thread is the commonly known fact that Pandemic is working on this game - which was pretty irrelevant and trivial given what the debate was about. Simply because I used LucasArts instead of Pandemic, you labeled my post 'crap' and then offered no other arguement.

So just get over it...water under the bridge.
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tFighter, we were already over this a LONG time ago. The only thing you 'contributed' to this thread is the commonly known fact that Pandemic is working on this game - which was pretty irrelevant and trivial given what the debate was about. Simply because I used LucasArts instead of Pandemic, you labeled my post 'crap' and then offered no other arguement.

So just get over it...water under the bridge.
I didn't label your post crap, that's what you're doing.

My question was, do you really believe that LucasArts will put pressure on Pandemic Studios to make a bad game?


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I didn't label your post crap, that's what you're doing.

My question was, do you really believe that LucasArts will put pressure on Pandemic Studios to make a bad game?

highly doubt it!


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StormHammer brings across an EXCELLENT point, something that I tried to explain in my post but just wasn't there. I guess it takes a smarter man to accomplish smarter things. But when I saw things about "the company holding back to keep up sale" I was just flipping my lid. I hope StormHammer and VanLingo explained what was the main problem of this whole topic, Schetter. I think that you just afraid to be disappointed, and afraid that this game will gain awful reviews and press. We all feel that way, not one person here doesn't. We are all hoping for an "ultimate Star Wars" experience, even if we know it'll never be there. I think its OK to hope for the better, but we must also assume the worst. I myself have great faith in this game and am sure that I'll enjoy it, but in no means do I pray that this game is going to be nirvana to the gaming world.
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[i] What if you logically debate the issue, and then flame for spite? [/B]
Flaming just creates a negative/hostile atmosphere that (a) gets nothing accomplished and (b) scares potential new members away. Think about all the people who view this forum and are considering asking questions/make comments that they may feel is stupid but decide not to because they are nervous about being attacked. People shouldn't have to be fearful about posting, that's not what this is about. Yes, sometimes people do make idiotic statements, but your best course of action is to objectively point out why they're wrong, and not bring personal attacks into it (even though it sometimes seems tempting).
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Hey, Storm, you mentioned flaming as a result of not being able to debate. What if you logically debate the issue, and then flame for spite?
[rap]
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Or you'll just look lame.

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It'll be a fun game. That's all. We don't need a discussion on making money off the SW Franchise. Ok? Great. Thank you and have a nice day.



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Well, I think this is the best thread posted here in weeks. There hasn't been such a discussion here for a long time.

I think we should thank schetter, at least I do, because the core of what he said was right. Have to high expectations, and the game will disapoint you. That's a rule with every game, even "the best star wars game ever."




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Ummm... You have nothing better than that to post? Dear me, you must be French.

lol, proved my point quite nicely there didn't you
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Look around this forum, at other threads, they are all nice and civil I should be a mod . Then this guy comes and turns this place into something else.

The fact is that there weren't any flaming in this forum before I should be a mod , and I should know I should be a mod , I've seen each and every one of the threads in this forum I should be a mod


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lol, proved my point quite nicely there didn't you
You didn't have a point. That was a suck-up-to-the-mods post.

It just sounded to me like you didn't want to pick a side -- reminiscent of France's military views in the UN.
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You guys need to chill he just said that this wont be the ultimate star wars game just a good one. And i have to admit that there have been many speculations that ties will be in hoth and there will be space battles but whats wrong with having some fun? Either way i think this is going to be a good game its been proven by all the reviews so far.
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You didn't have a point. That was a suck-up-to-the-mods post.

It just sounded to me like you didn't want to pick a side -- reminiscent of France's military views in the UN.
There is on problem with your theory, Siv is a mod


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I only read the first posts but...

its true about games beeing hyped and then big dissapointment, but as stated, the dissapointment were features LEC promised, and not those they assumed there would be in the game without LEC confirming them

Its normal to anticpate things for a game, but here on these boards i odnt htink we're overacdting. Its morfe like little stuff like micro, map size etc, not about "what if the AI uses super cool tactics to pwn any public team"


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No, he's not. He just has a ton of posts.
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It just sounded to me like you didn't want to pick a side -- reminiscent of France's military views in the UN.
i picked a side, it was the 'against jumping down a newb's throat just because they said battlefront wont be the best star wars game ever' side

and my point was made pretty clear by the first line of my original post...

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i picked a side, it was the 'against jumping down a newb's throat just because they said battlefront wont be the best star wars game ever' side

and my point was made pretty clear by the first line of my original post...
The problem was that the newb strikes back.


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Oh I see...I should just sit there and take it.
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Oh I see...I should just sit there and take it.
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started WHAT. You flat out called my post crap without offering any arguements to the contrary of what I was saying.
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started WHAT. You flat out called my post crap without offering any arguements to the contrary of what I was saying.
I said that Pandemic Studios are making it, and didn't call your post crap, so now STFU and stop with this crap... oops


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Why don't you look up and READ what you posted. And don't try editing it, it won't work, I've already got you quoted.
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Why don't you look up and READ what you posted. And don't try editing it, it won't work, I've already got you quoted.
I wrote the word crap, I know, but that's no exuse to keep bashing me.


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