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Old 08-02-2004, 03:08 AM   #121
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And you know what, I acknowledge your right to not attempt to argue with Skin or myself or Sith or 'Jais or anyone who brought up good points against you, especially since it seems you have no knack for debate. It just seems rather pointless to visit a debate forum if you don't actually plan on debating
I am debating. I debate every credible and/or important issue you bring up.
So far, you're just throwing me things that don't matter. I'm going to vote Republican because it's more of what this country needs. You're going to vote Democrat because all of the dead people, convicted felons, retired Floridians, and homeless people do (thank you, Mr. Gore...).

People are not going to change their opinions on these things because we argue about them. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's a question of priority. (Tax cuts or HealthCare? National security or lower gas prices? Jobs or welfare? Second-generation Commander-in-Chief or frag-myself Vietnam veteran?)
My opinion is there. I'm afraid that your "debating expertise" is not enough to sway what I believe in -- which happens to be along the same lines as our current president.

I know that I come off as offensive. But at least I'm not being smug about it. Your disdain for other people is all over your posts, and to be honest -- I don't care to have your idea of a leader running the country. Whether or not I spend four hours a day "backing up" my beliefs is inconsequential.
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Old 08-02-2004, 03:15 AM   #122
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I am debating. I debate every credible and/or important issue you bring up.
So far, you're just throwing me things that don't matter. I'm going to vote Republican because it's more of what this country needs. You're going to vote Democrat because all of the dead people, convicted felons, retired Floridians, and homeless people do (thank you, Mr. Gore...).
actually I believe most of what they respond with is refuting your posts. But since you refuse to prove your points and resort to mild insults, I suggest you stop coming here. Atleast until you learn the proper way to debate.

the purpose of debate is not to sway. but to state your opinion INTELLIGENTLY and politely, you have yet to do so. Skin has nothing but the upmost respect for proper debaters regardless of if they agree on things or not.

You come in here with this " I dont' care what you think" attitude, not the proper debate attitude. We don't debate to sway, we debate to strengthen our own convictions and our thoughts. To expand our minds, vocabulary and thought process.


and no, you aren't smug, [deleted] you have what I believe to be severe social issues. Not because of your beliefs, but you seem to go out of your way to make everyone angry at you.

Back off a little Sith. I can take the heat... don't insult members just because they piss you off. Find your happy place.


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Old 08-02-2004, 04:42 AM   #123
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Whoa, dude, don't get your blood-pressure up

I see no need to be conformative. This is a debate thread, right? Well, I am free to throw out whatever debate points I want. You claim that I have no solid points, but you want to dispute everything I say.
If it's just going to be a shouting match, then why should I add more than two cents?

If I am upsetting you... cut down on the coffee.
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Old 08-02-2004, 06:24 AM   #124
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You claim that I have no solid points, but you want to dispute everything I say.
Well...yeah, we dispute what you say because it's not a solid point, and easy for us to refute it, and then you are unable to come back with any solid evidence or arguments to support it. That's the way debate is supposed to work, but YOU just argue something ELSE everytime.



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Old 08-12-2004, 01:02 PM   #125
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hmm.. as someone who has wandered into this thread as a casual observer i have to point out to VanLingo that he IS coming across as a fool and a petulant kid by refusing to back up any of his arguments. But then it can be easy to get caught up in your own righteousness on these sort of debates... i suppose...

As for that SwiftVets site, every impartial news source has found them to be a load of rubbish. They are funded by a big republican donor. One guy in it has already said he lied. John McCain (a republican who was in vietnam) has called it a lie and said he respects JKs record. Even the bush won't back it (although they are refusing to condemn it, which is pretty cheap).

Just goes to show how you should research your sources.... otherwise you come off worse than you were before.

PS/ I've seen loads of interviews with US frontline combat troops (some injured, some still serving, some who have come back) who are all against the war.... so i guess that means you will be voting for Kerry then?
Of course, you could probably say they are all non-patriots, but then that means you definition of "non-patriot" is anyone who doesn't support the war... which is innaccurate, unfair and means you can't loose???



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Old 08-12-2004, 04:42 PM   #126
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1. Turkey has the appearence of being a democracy. There is a parlaments and so forth. However, like I have said, Turkey is run by the military. If the military doesn't like something then it gets its way. The Turkish parlament in 2003 voted on whether to allow US troops in Turkey for Iraq. The Turkish military wanted none of that so it basically forced the parlament members to vote a majority "nay". That's just one example out of many.

2. There are many non-democratic countries in the EU. Slovakia,
Slovenia, Hungary to name a few.
Somebody around here appearently needs a little brush-up on European geography. Hungary has been a democracy for one and a half decade... It was in the Soviet rim, not one of the core republics.

Turkey is a more delicate matter. Technically it is a military despotism, but it is in the, historically speaking, highly unusual situation that the military actually places more importance on democratic values than many of the civilian politicians. In fact the Turkish military is the best guarentee the world has that Turkey will not degenerate to a fascist, fundamentalist country like Iran or the US.

And while we're on the subject of European geography, I'd like to remind you, Skin, that I'd concider declaring any of the Balkan states a "succes" something of a gamble.

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Every citizen in the US has access to healthcare, the best in the world actually.
Aah, heath care... One of my favorite topics to discuss with American Conservatives. Why? Because the Scandinavian model is soo much more efficient: Government pays for healthcare over the taxes, meaning that it's available to everyone free of charge. And it's actually a cheaper way to do it than the American model. Pro capita (which leads to the conclusion that it is cheaper even for those who would could afford it in the American system, even though they pay for the rest as well).

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Actually, among core nation-states, the United States has some of the worst healthcare. We are far surpassed by nations like Norway, Germany and (I believe) Denmark.
Go DK! (And it's actually cheaper pro capita too)

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Convincing 30 Banana Republics to sign on or lose some sort of foreign aid couldn't have been difficult.
Watch what you call a banana republic!!!

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Posted by boranchistanger on 07-19-2004 01:01 PM:
Why should Americans die for no reason just like they did in Bosnia, Kosovo, Somalia and others (All under Clinton by the way).
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I seem to recall that the US involvement in Bosnia and Kosova were limited to airstriking Belgrade?

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He is a Socialist, and he has admitted so. And no socialist person is very smart.
Watch your mouth! Many socialists are extremely intelligent. And I simply can't stand your inability to distinguish between Communist, Socialist, and Social Democrat. You seem to think that everything to the left of Liberal is a big, monolithic, communist block.

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Is there some balance that a nation-state can find with socialist attributes while maintaining capitalist virtues?
It's called Social Democracy and is the most succesful way of managing an economy so far.

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Posted by boranchistanger on 07-19-2004 01:01 PM:
So this man [Moore] is a liar and, well, a Socialist. And I hate guys who are liars.
And, appearently, Socialists as well. I think that comment was uncalled for and inflammatory.

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I'm a huge proponent of the scientific method and Kerry, my friend, more closely adheres to it than Bush.
Skin, please, PLEASE, stop using the 'science card'. It really serves science poorly to get dragged into the Bush/Kerry mudslinging.

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Kerry was actually in the bush during his military service
Hehe. Pun intended?


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Old 08-15-2004, 01:37 AM   #127
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And while we're on the subject of European geography, I'd like to remind you, Skin, that I'd concider declaring any of the Balkan states a "succes" something of a gamble.
And yet, its a nation that went from the grips of ethnic cleansing back to one of tourism in only a decade or so. Our work in Bosnia is to be proud of, not ashamed. That's the point I'm making. I agree, there are definately many things left they have to accomplish, but things are looking decidedly "up."

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Watch what you call a banana republic!!!
Oops... sorry. I forgot the Danish Army was there.

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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I seem to recall that the US involvement in Bosnia and Kosova were limited to airstriking Belgrade?
He might have been referring to the peac-keeping troops that went in after the hostilities.

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Skin, please, PLEASE, stop using the 'science card'. It really serves science poorly to get dragged into the Bush/Kerry mudslinging.
Can't help it. I see the world through that lens.


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Old 08-17-2004, 08:09 AM   #128
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I agree, there are definately many things left they have to accomplish, but things are looking decidedly "up."
Definitely. But if you paint too rosy a picture, people might start thinking 'mission accomplished' too early... As some politicians are wont to do.

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Old 08-25-2004, 11:40 PM   #129
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check out the vids on this site. there is a short, 1 min one, a long 12 min one, and a spanish one. These are your beloved Kerry's views on the War in Iraq.
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