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Old 07-14-2004, 07:26 PM   #1
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Something of Concern for the Entire Clan World

Some things have come to my attention that I feel necessary for the entire clan world to know. I would never do something so serious as bring down someone's reputation unless it is completely necessary. In this instance it is very necessary. When someone has other's decieved and deliberately attempts the destruction of another clan then it is necessary. To back up what I am about to post I will use quotes from numerous PM's. With them I will post the date they were recieved along with what the quotes were responding to. Since I know many of you will not believe what I am posting I will be asking a couple moderators and the admin to login to my account and personally look at these PM's and confirm them on this thread.

At the end of May the IEF forums along with the IEF website were hacked into and brought down for a couple of days. Framing one of the IEF members this 40 year old who lives with his mom attempted to bring down my clan without any antagonizing nor reason other than the fact that this 40 year old who lives with his mom's clan was being eclipsed by the IEF. The culprit was Van Lingo. The proof is there along with the fact he openly admitted to it in a recent PM. The IP addresses match and the fact this took place the DAY I registered into his forums (Which allows him to see my password which happened to be used in the forums along with the website) is not just coincidence. After stealing my account on that day he posted the day after on the IEF forums.

Links to prove that point
Look at the date registered for my account on his forum
Look at the date the Antagonist's first message was posted on the IEF forums

And, in a recent PM to me Van Lingo admitted that he was the hacker.

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Recieved 07-14-2004 06:38 PM No, it's not unfortunate. I should have deleted your website and forums when I had the chance. Moron.
And I will quote from one of his members right now

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Yaebginn When you find the hacker we will destroy him on this forum, if that helps
Well, there he is.

Some other points of concern which Van Lingo has brought to my attention

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Recieved 07-14-2004 06:38 PM I never stole Tiak from you because Tiak never existed. Tiak was one of my members and still is. So I guess he won't be rejoining you. Idiot.
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Recieved 07-13-2004 05:03 PM And I wouldn't be too quick to call your members "mature". One of your members already defected to [HD], and another one in your weak senate feeds me info (which is pretty much useless, since your clan never does anything constructive). This person has already promised to join [HD] AND bring their friend along in September (you should be able to figure out who it is by now).
To stoop down to a level in which you are intentionally trying to sabotage another leader's clan, especially one that has never done anything bad to you other than being a better clan, is absolutely rediculous and wrong. I did have fun though feeding Tiak some false information, hehehe. And as for his mole in the senate, biggest bluff ever.

Those are the key points that I wish to point out. I really don't need to remind everyone of HD's flaming of the IEF threads along with Van Lingo's consistent attempts to turn everyone against the IEF. I will now post each PM which I have gotten these quotes out of in full. Like I said, a mod and hopefully the admin will confirm all of this.

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boranchistanger wrote on 07-13-2004 10:46 AM:

And I also include at the end of it "do you have AIM?". And that is absolutely nothing to posting three seperate threads on the exact same topic!

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I can post as many threads as I want to, boran.

And I wouldn't be too quick to call your members "mature". One of your members already defected to [HD], and another one in your weak senate feeds me info (which is pretty much useless, since your clan never does anything constructive). This person has already promised to join [HD] AND bring their friend along in September (you should be able to figure out who it is by now).

You misspelled "separate".
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Really? Which member did you steal from me? If you are referring to Tiak who left the IEF than you are highly mistaken. He will most likely rejoin the IEF between now and game release day.

And as for this so called mole you have in the IEF I simply don't buy it. From the clues you gave you're reffering to either Revan Onasi or Luke Katarn, both of whom are very loyal. And you refer to the IEF as un-constructive. The IEF has done 10 times more things than your puny insignificant clan has. I honestly thought our two clans could be friends. I guess I was wrong. It's unfortinate really.

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No, it's not unfortunate. I should have deleted your website and forums when I had the chance. Moron.

I never stole Tiak from you because Tiak never existed. Tiak was one of my members and still is. So I guess he won't be rejoining you. Idiot.

And to wrap it up, "10 times more" is quite an over-statement. You can't claim anything constructive to the community.
Your one contribution is your clan site, which doesn't get any hits, has worse graphics than a PSOne screenshot, has pop-up ads, and the title is misspelled.

Not only are you a braggart, you're clueless. Go buy some school supplies, try on some polo shirts for 9th grade (ooh, big boy's in high school now!), feed your goldfish, and watch the "Why Can't We Be Friends" music video, because you will be OWNED when SWB comes out.

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Old 07-14-2004, 07:43 PM   #2
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Old 07-14-2004, 09:00 PM   #3
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Wait a second, I never said that. I remeber having numerous conversations with you, but I never said anything regarding destroying the hacker. And those conversations could've eaily been doctored by you. Easily.
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Wait a second, I never said that. I remeber having numerous conversations with you, but I never said anything regarding destroying the hacker. And those conversations could've eaily been doctored by you. Easily.
You said that in my militia thread which I deleated a while ago. And as for credability I am getting the admin along with a mod to confirm these PM's. And that is a lot of typing for me to doctor up!

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you ahve the free time, dont you? and isnt it conveinient that it's now deleted.
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Old 07-15-2004, 03:54 AM   #6
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Never thought you'd stoop this low, Boran. You must be pretty desperate for attention.

Isn't this off-topic and flaming?
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Old 07-15-2004, 10:24 AM   #7
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and another one in your weak senate feeds me info
That's quite sad. This is just clans to play a game for fun, it's not because the game aint out yet you need to play "Spy the intelligence service"

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isnt it conveinient that it's now deleted.
If a lot of flaming was going on i don't see why a topic beeing deleted is special
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Old 07-15-2004, 10:40 AM   #8
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Never thought you'd stoop this low, Boran. You must be pretty desperate for attention.

Isn't this off-topic and flaming?
When you are deliberately decieving and lying to the entire clan world and attempting to bring other clan's down then it concerns the entire clan world Van Lingo. It is not off-topic since it is relevent to all clans. And I didn't flame Van Lingo, I just presented your statements along with the evidence I already have.

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he says I said somethign I was positive I didnt say. He says its froma deleted thread. I think he's lying. I'm about 95% positive I ddint post that. The other five percent is in case someone drugged me and made me type it. Not likely.
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Greetings. Of course you all know me.
HD is offically enemies of the IEF. I am starting a spam campain that will flood the swbattlefront clan forums against your clan.
Dozens will join the cause of the IEF because they now can see what a scoundrel you are Van Lingo.
I wish you all good luck on the battle field evne though your leadership is deceptive and not very freindly.

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You Liar! Thats such a lame trick. You posted that and are now trying to accuse Van Lingo. I cant believe you.

< I hate the HD> ooh, that was boran trying to frame me! thats so lame.
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Yaebginn, oh my god. Use your stinking brain! First off look at the time it was posted, I was in bed for gods sakes! I can't even log into that account for god's sake so I had to make a new one. Use your head Yaebginn.

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I am! Here's how it goes. First you fram Van Lingo about being the hacker. Myabe there actually was a hacker, or maybe you made him up. Then you tell everyone and show 'evidence' Then you log in on your accout in our forums and pretend your Van Lingo pretending to be you. It would be easy. Just type what you really feel and it makes Lingo look bad. Then you post it on the forum, showing everyone, so it makes Van Lingo look even worse. Thats a new low.
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Boran, your account on my forum has now been locked. And you are not allowed to make a new one.
I don't take very kindly to someone "spamming" these boards like this, and I especially don't like it when it's a stunt to try and disrespect someone.

Just because I deleted my recruiting thread each time you posted on it does not justify you putting words in my mouth.

For the record, the time on my forums has been messed up since I created it. I just fixed it this morning. It was set 7 hours ahead, and you knew that. If you'll notice, the date on these forums is ahead one day, so pointing out post times proves nothing.

If I was trying to frame you, Boran, I would at least give you the benefit of a couple of commas and better spelling.

EDIT: Oh, also for the record -- I did say most of that stuff that Boran posted. But all this about hacking was doctored in. Not hard to do. Next thing you know, he'll have a photo of me and Monica Lewinski.
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Boran has all the proof, you're just saying that you didn't. Hmmm, who's is more predictable.
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Boran, your account on my forum has now been locked. And you are not allowed to make a new one.
NP just don't try to frame me by using my account on your forums.

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I don't take very kindly to someone "spamming" these boards like this, and I especially don't like it when it's a stunt to try and disrespect someone.
And I don't take very kindly to someone who lies and decieves to the entire clan world like you are doing on this thread and hack into people's forums.

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Just because I deleted my recruiting thread each time you posted on it does not justify you putting words in my mouth.
Oh, there's a reason that I would do something like this. Get a clue.

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For the record, the time on my forums has been messed up since I created it. I just fixed it this morning. It was set 7 hours ahead, and you knew that. If you'll notice, the date on these forums is ahead one day, so pointing out post times proves nothing.
But you logging onto my account and trying to frame me does prove something.

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If I was trying to frame you, Boran, I would at least give you the benefit of a couple of commas and better spelling.
Van Lingo, if you wanted to frame me at least you could have done it a little less obvious.

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Oh, also for the record -- I did say most of that stuff that Boran posted. But all this about hacking was doctored in. Not hard to do. Next thing you know, he'll have a photo of me and Monica Lewinski.
Good job lying Van Lingo. When the admin along with a mod confirms all of this I would love to see the look on your face you filthy liar.

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I'm not getting into any trouble. You're the one flaming.

Here's your major flaw, boran:
You're trying to say that I'm "decieving the entire clan world" by framing you.
If your accusations are true, it has nothing to do with the rest of the "clan world".

You're defeating yourself by thinking too much into it. I have no reason to "frame" you, and if I did, I'd do it a lot better than the sorry setup you've concocted.

I'm going to let this thread die. It has no relevance whatsoever to the clan community.
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If you actually think that then you're a bloody idiot.
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actaully, all boran has produced is quotes that coulda easily been doctored.
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All Lingo has is his own words, which cannot actually be proved.
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Oh come on everyone. This is Boran for crying out loud. And has he ever lied to you before. I dont think so. And besides, why would Boran try to frame Van Lingo for no reason, huh huh. And I know you are saying I am a lyer but i really do not care becuase I know I am telling the truth
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Your both a bunch of idiots. Why dont you Boran Just mind your own damn buisness! and Lingo why the hell would you hack the site if I were any of your clan I wouldn't even associate myself with you!
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actaully, all boran has produced is quotes that coulda easily been doctored.
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Since I know many of you will not believe what I am posting I will be asking a couple moderators and the admin to login to my account and personally look at these PM's and confirm them on this thread.
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Boran once told me on AIM that he could easily hack into Van Lingo's files on the forum, and while I didnt copy it, because I'm not a jerk, if Boran is honest, he'll admit he said that.
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Yes I did say that because at one time I thought I had the capabilities of doing so. Obviously I do not though. And Yaebginn, I haven't hacked into anyone's forum nor their account and brought down someone's clan for two days.

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Here are the full PM's. These were taken by digital cameras so the quality isn't great however they are readable.

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Try to deny THAT Lingo
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he already admitted that he said he could hack into Van lingos files, whats stopping him from this?
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And why would he hack into Van Lingos account make a pretend conversation with himself and then send himself a pm.
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I dont know how much is framed, van lingo admitted some. But ultimately, to destroy the competition. HD is growing steadily and we are a major contributor to the clan world. He wants IEF to be the best and has often said over AIM to me that it is. He wants to destroy the next biggest threat to him.
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You want me to deny it?

Look at the post count under my avatar on those pictures. This is obviously a very bad attempt at doctoring, then using the old digital-camera-pic-of-a-monitor ploy.

Look how easy it is to edit this stuff: Boran confessing his handicap.

Thanks for the good effort, Boran. But you're going to have to come up with something more tangible.

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I didnt see that coming. We're there for you boran, dont beat yourself up.
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I dont know how much is framed, van lingo admitted some. But ultimately, to destroy the competition. HD is growing steadily and we are a major contributor to the clan world. He wants IEF to be the best and has often said over AIM to me that it is. He wants to destroy the next biggest threat to him.
Of course I have stated that my goal is for my clan to become the greatest clan in the game, which it is easially on the road to being. Now, why would I target HD Yaebginn if it isn't the "next big threat"? HD is in the middle of the pack right now in size and its members hardly ever post. They now need 3 recruiting threads to get two members! And why would I want to get rid of a major contributor to the clan world if his contributions not only betters the IEF but also every other clan?

And as for that conversation we had about the whole passwords thing, like I said I lied privately to you. I lied privately to you because I knew you would pass that info over to Van Lingo and that would prevent him from doing another hacking thing. Do I actually have those passwords? Uh, no. There is no possible way I could get those, no possible way. If you think of a way someone could do that, let me know.

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Look how easy it is to edit this stuff: Boran confessing his handicap.
OK, first off, for the record, Van Lingo denies these PM's. Keep that in mind folks.

Second, the post count there is 316, as you can clearly see, that was your post count prior to the pictures being taken.

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Thanks for the good effort, Boran. But you're going to have to come up with something more tangible.
I still await a reply from a mod and from the admin.

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but what say you about the you confessing your handicap? that makes ur pics invalid. of, and if you lied then, what keeps you from lying now? seems u lie alot, eh?
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And what keeps Van Lingo from lying
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nothing, nothing keeps any of us from lying. except van lingo has never lied to us in the past. he is just trying to defend himself against this wild accusation. I know I'd be all freaked out if boran acuused me of screwing up his stuff. I just cant beleive boran stooped this low.
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but what say you about the you confessing your handicap? that makes ur pics invalid. of, and if you lied then, what keeps you from lying now? seems u lie alot, eh?
Yaebginn, it's very obvious those pics Van Lingo produced were doctored, look at the font for god sakes along with the color!


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of course its doctored, he's just showing how easy it is. I didnt expect you to realoy say that
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