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Old 08-08-2004, 04:33 PM   #41
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I watched the trailors again, and I saw that the dark trooper fires some kind of 'shotgunshot', so it looks to me that he will only be dangerous at close range. I also saw that the darktrooper has to reload every two shots (and that two shots are enought to kill someone).




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Old 08-09-2004, 10:12 AM   #42
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Are you sure that was a dark trooper? I heard somewheres that the Republic special clone troop had jump jets. I think he had a shotgun esque blaster. I heard somewhere else that DT had a rocket gun. Anywa here's a way to even it out a bit.

-DT cant run fast when on the ground
-Jetpack has to recharge to be used again/only limited amount of uses.
-Slightly Slow moving rockets.
-Reload times!

Those 4 things can turn a seemingly Uber class into one that
needs some skill and strategizing to use properly.

And wasnt the vanguard at the battle of Hoth? Were they not in the trenches? Or maybe that was marksman? Well anyway, i think DTs should be in, i mean, Officiers would be nice, but in another thread people were complaining about armor and things. WHAT ARMOR DOES OFFICIER HAVE? If they took DT out what would they do with the Rep. Jump Jet unit, then it wouldnt be "Pre"ing the Dark Trooper.

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Old 08-09-2004, 12:07 PM   #43
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The Dark Trooper does not have a rocket launcher of any kind. All he has is the standard blaster pistol, a shotgun-like blaster cannon, and thermal detonators. Now, the Republic Jet Trooper has a real jetpack that allows you to fly around. His blaster is a Merr-Sonn EM Pulse Launcher which fires electromagnetic pulse blasts, which are very effective against mechanical devices, such as Battle Droids, at close range.
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Old 08-09-2004, 12:56 PM   #44
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The whole darktrooper thing doesn't bother me that much,(unless they're superpowerful), I think it would be cool if someone made a mod to change them into Boba Fett! Then thats all I'd play as! Not just because I'm a really big Boba Fett fan ,but also because they'd be like the only imperial unit that could hide really well in forest maps. I know Boba Fett rarely fights in wars,but you could just say that the leader had a giant bounty on his head and all those other soldiers are in his way. He slaughtered an entire Imperial garrison on Vryssa to capture a single person who had a medium size bounty on his head.
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Old 08-09-2004, 01:33 PM   #45
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Old 08-09-2004, 01:51 PM   #46
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Are you sure that was a dark trooper? I heard somewheres that the Republic special clone troop had jump jets. I think he had a shotgun esque blaster. I heard somewhere else that DT had a rocket gun. Anywa here's a way to even it out a bit.

-DT cant run fast when on the ground
-Jetpack has to recharge to be used again/only limited amount of uses.
-Slightly Slow moving rockets.
-Reload times!

Those 4 things can turn a seemingly Uber class into one that
needs some skill and strategizing to use properly.

And wasnt the vanguard at the battle of Hoth? Were they not in the trenches? Or maybe that was marksman? Well anyway, i think DTs should be in, i mean, Officiers would be nice, but in another thread people were complaining about armor and things. WHAT ARMOR DOES OFFICIER HAVE? If they took DT out what would they do with the Rep. Jump Jet unit, then it wouldnt be "Pre"ing the Dark Trooper.

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Old 08-09-2004, 01:52 PM   #47
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Agree.
How can you agree with his post...? Parts of what he said are incorrect.
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Old 08-10-2004, 01:37 AM   #48
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How can you agree with his post...? Parts of what he said are incorrect.
I think he might be pointing to a specific part of my post. Well, I said "I think" that some of those things, but you know, people can always be wrong. Well, maybe you were right about Dark Trooper gun, i just thought i read somewhere it had a rocket of some sort. I must have been mistaken. Well, we won't know if it will be a total n00b magnet until it ships...

[EDIT] I took a lot out of my post because i started to sway off topic.


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Old 08-10-2004, 02:19 AM   #49
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When I picture the Battle of Endor, I picture AT-ST Walkers, Scout Troopers on Speeder Bikes, Imperial Officers, Stormtroopers, and Imperial Navy Guards fighting Rebels and Ewoks. Not Darktroopers with jet packs! I wanted to renact the battle in this game.


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Old 08-10-2004, 03:23 AM   #50
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I think most people agree that imperial officiers play a more important role in the film than darktroopers, so if you want to have the best starwars-experience, the darktrooper should be taken out instead of the IO.

I rather want the IO than the DT too, but I see dat Lucasarts can't take it out. By doing that, the fifth character isn't a goiod ting for a team. but just half of what the pilot is in the other teams. That wouldn't be very good for the balance of the game.




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Old 08-10-2004, 09:22 AM   #51
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why do you say no? whats wrong with a little imagination here and there?
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Old 08-10-2004, 02:23 PM   #52
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The Darktrooper will not be able to fly that high. Also, he flies slow if you watch the videos and is slower on the battlefield. I don't think he will have an advantage as he can be killed as easy as anyone else.
They put him in to "mirror" the clones jetpack trooper.

Is it movie realistic - "NO"

Does it have to be? - "NO"

The rebels can actually win Hoth in this game so it is not as it happened in the movies. It's not supposed to be exactly like the movies otherwise you could just watch the Trilogy DVD's instead of play a game.

It's all in the gunnery skills. I've played this game and it was a blast to play regardless of who or what the other team is using. The Darktrooper will not be a major advantage. You have to adapt your gameplay to the situation.
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Old 08-10-2004, 04:11 PM   #53
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The Darktrooper will not be able to fly that high. Also, he flies slow if you watch the videos and is slower on the battlefield. I don't think he will have an advantage as he can be killed as easy as anyone else.
They put him in to "mirror" the clones jetpack trooper.

Is it movie realistic - "NO"

Does it have to be? - "NO"

The rebels can actually win Hoth in this game so it is not as it happened in the movies. It's not supposed to be exactly like the movies otherwise you could just watch the Trilogy DVD's instead of play a game.

It's all in the gunnery skills. I've played this game and it was a blast to play regardless of who or what the other team is using. The Darktrooper will not be a major advantage. You have to adapt your gameplay to the situation.
Teamwork will win every time in this game.
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Old 08-10-2004, 04:17 PM   #54
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i do hope the Heavy weapons class will not work good against infantry....

i hope its more like 1942 where u have to aim just right to hit an infantrymen but from what i saw on the preview vids the Heavy weapons class worked very well against infantry.....


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Old 08-10-2004, 04:43 PM   #55
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I think the darktrooper would be a great addition to the game. It might seem a little strange to have them flying around especialy in Endor; Where it should just be pure infantry, although from what I've read they can't fly up very high or for very long. If they do have the shotgun blaster or whatever, they won't be very effective from long distance, which you'll just have to counter by backing up.

With the heavy weapon specialists I really don't think we will have anything to worry about with them. If they balance them than we won't have to worry about them being the ultimate infantry killer. But even if they do make the vanguards a great infantry killer I'm sure techniques will be developed to make their advantage miniscule.
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Old 08-10-2004, 04:52 PM   #56
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ya ,the darktroopers shouldnt be in those battles ,simply because they werent in them in the movie ,and ,eu rocks, how does anyone not like eu,it expands the already ever growing story of George Lucas' dream ,Star Wars.

the proton torpedo launcher ,which is what the vanguard is carrying, is in sw ,its in the weapons and technology guide book .


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Old 08-10-2004, 10:14 PM   #57
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The expanded universe just expands the star wars universe that is not created by Lucas. I only stick to the Star wars films and Lucas's vision. Not other Star Wars authors who make up novels and comics. That is why I protest the Imperial Officer being taken out for the expanded universe trooper, Darktrooper.


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Old 08-10-2004, 11:35 PM   #58
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joesdomain, why do you hate EU so much??

Again I think the darktrooper is a great addition, I don't really see the Officer as something that would be able to really do anything on the battlefield, maybe he can hand out ammo and health and call the occasional airstrike but thats about it! I don't know I'm just not a big fan of support classes for some reason, power to you if you can play em right though!!
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I am aginst the officer. I'd rather have darktrooper than offcier.
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I want a more realistic star wars video game based on the star wars films. To be able to play the battles and live in the action of the star wars films on my PS2. No star wars eu vehicles and starships or as little as possibility. I want to relive the Battle of Hoth and Battle of Endor just like movies. There is plenty of troopers, etc. to choose from from the films to not have extra things like a darktrooper added.


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Old 08-11-2004, 10:03 AM   #61
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That is a pretty good reason, I must admit. I do see where you are coming from, it would be a lot of fun if you could almost reenact the battle of hoth or ender, hopefully someone will make an attempt at it. I remember they made a remake of some parts of Sniper, in SOCOM II. So anything could happen.

Although I think that it would be awesome to have it just from the movies. I love the EU too much, even though its not approved by GL, it adds soo much more than the 5 movies couldn't. Although they did a great job with the movies. I prefer gameplay over realism. If realism gets in the way of gameplay it would really bother me. I want a game that plays smooth, and there is no clear winner with just one class. Only the skill of the player is counted, not some class that dominates all.

But again I see where you are coming from.
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Old 08-11-2004, 11:35 AM   #62
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Not to get too off topic but the clone jet pack trooper has an automatic rapid fire gun. He has a bad detonator though.


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Old 08-11-2004, 12:18 PM   #63
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Uh... where did you hear that? The Jet Trooper has a Merr-Sonn EM Pulse Launcher, and no where in its description does it say it's automatic. Also, the Jet Trooper has the same thermal detonator as any other class.
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I know he has a Pulse Launcher amd a Thermal Detonater, but he has a DC-17 Pistol that has rapid fire.The normal clones have better explosives. They have Haywires and Concussions.It was at www.ign.com.


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The Darktrooper doesn't bother me, I just dont like how the special class for the imperial and republic are so similar.
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I love the EU too much, even though its not approved by GL, it adds soo much more than the 5 movies couldn't.
george lucas approves all the eu stuff. the authors have to tell him the idea before he can say that its fine .technically lucas approving of the eu ,shows that he says thats what happens in the rest of the sw universe ,the eu expands the already ever growing dream of George lucas' Star Wars.


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I know he has a Pulse Launcher amd a Thermal Detonater, but he has a DC-17 Pistol that has rapid fire.The normal clones have better explosives. They have Haywires and Concussions.It was at www.ign.com.
Umm... no, it's not an automatic pistol. Here's the description of the DC-17 pistol:

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Jet troopers are often stuck in intense situations and carry a better blaster pistols than most other soldiers. The DC-17 has a higher rate of fire than its predecessors and is extremely deadly.
No where does it say that its automatic (I don't think a pistol can even be automatic... can it?) or have any kind of rapid-fire function.

And the thermal detonator that the Jet Trooper has is the same one that the ARC Trooper, Clone Pilot, and Clone Sharpshooter has. It's not worse than the regular Clone's, because the regular Clone doesn't have a thermal detonator.
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The difference between the two jetpacks is that the one the darktrooper carrys enables him to jump a litle higher (it probably gives a liitle burst), while the one of the jetpacktrooper really is for flights.




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It has a heavy rate of fire. I never said automatic, and I know the jetpack trooper Clone, ARC, and sniper all have thermal detonators. The normal clone has Haywire grenades and Concussion grenades, that are more powerful than thermal detonators.FYI I already read the updates on that site and read the Republic, Rebels, and Separatists units info.


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Not to get too off topic but the clone jet pack trooper has an automatic rapid fire gun. He has a bad detonator though.
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Lucasfilm actually gives the ok to use certain material for novels, comics, and video games. Not everything is 100% approved by Lucas because he is a busy man with star wars episode III and his other companies he owns.


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Ok ok, didn't mean to say automatic happy?!?


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You know, I just watched the trailer in the OPM cd. It's pretty good, it really won't bother me having dark troopers flying around. I don't know what made it like that, but they seem like they can be picked off pretty easily.
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yeah they look like it too.


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Dark Troopers were born and died during the timeline of Dark Forces. Anything that goes further than that timeline is buIIshiat, pure manure, lol.

And they had jetpacks only to move faster and have an overwhelming agility, since they can't walk that faster. The are armed with a custom made, custom sized plasma cannon with an embedded rocket launcher.

I personally think that taking the dark troopers outside the Dark Forces game is crap, and Lucasarts is giving away credibility and consistency for the mighty buck. They are mixing ewoks with dark troopers??? WTF???

Facts aside, wtf is wrong with 3d artists and concept artists??? Why don't they do all dark troopers look the same, like in the Dark Forces game, like Justin Chin conceived them??? Personally, this game has the worst looking dark trooper phase 2 of all.



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I think balance isn't really the issue. Darktroopers will probably not be super heroes of some sort. And they aren't a bad special character in my eyes. It's just that the Imperial officier deserves the job more.




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I vote for the officers only because I don't like the dark troopers taken out of context from Dark Forces. To be honest all imperial forces are like german soldiers or indians in american movies. They were all idiots and weaklings.



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sod you all i think darktroopers are an idea so great they could have come from george lucas
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sod you all i think darktroopers are an idea so great they could have come from george lucas
In that case they would have been in the movies.




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Dark troopers are Justin Chin's original idea and concept. Actually George Lucas never comes with concepts, he just throws a basic idea of what he wants, and the concept artists make dozens of drawings until Lucas is satisfied, that's a fact.
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