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Old 08-12-2004, 12:29 PM   #81
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Also, Corso, to add to that, the devs are making the Dark Trooper a human in armor like any other trooper. You can hear him groan when he is shot or dies in trailers.
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Old 08-12-2004, 12:37 PM   #82
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Also, Corso, to add to that, the devs are making the Dark Trooper a human in armor like any other trooper. You can hear him groan when he is shot or dies in trailers.
Then those are not dark troopers, even if Pandemic is calling them like that. The most they should do is groan ala "domo arigato mister roboto", not like humans. They've bastardized the legendary dark troopers so many times, only a few ppl like them now.



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Old 08-15-2004, 07:18 AM   #83
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but the groan is default it does it with the wookiees its just they havn't given different groans to different things just bad planning really


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Old 08-15-2004, 07:25 AM   #84
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In that case they would have been in the movies.

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Old 08-15-2004, 07:45 AM   #85
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You guys are complete idiots if you think you're actually "re-living" the battles. This is an FPS game, think of it that way. You can't "re-live" battles that never ****ing happened. Get over it. being an EU fan I really don't give a **** if anything's different from the movies becuase i'm used to it. So stop crying about how the Darktrooper is going to "Ruin your gaming experience" and get on with your lives. The Darktrooper would have done better as a vehicle and not a class though.

Note: The Darktrooper is an Exo-Suit. Figure it out.
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Old 08-15-2004, 08:35 AM   #86
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You guys are complete idiots if you think you're actually "re-living" the battles. This is an FPS game, think of it that way. You can't "re-live" battles that never ****ing happened. Get over it. being an EU fan I really don't give a **** if anything's different from the movies becuase i'm used to it. So stop crying about how the Darktrooper is going to "Ruin your gaming experience" and get on with your lives. The Darktrooper would have done better as a vehicle and not a class though.

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Old 08-15-2004, 10:37 AM   #87
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calm down. I'm a HUGE EU fan, but I still would rather not have the darktrooper during reinactments of battles. Its a noob magnet.
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Old 08-15-2004, 10:43 AM   #88
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Its the same with the Jetpack clone trooper.
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Old 08-15-2004, 11:30 AM   #89
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XBebop, please calm down. No need to blow up over something like this.
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Old 08-15-2004, 11:52 AM   #90
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There are two sides to this. The ones that want the pure Star wars movie gameplay, no eu stuff. The other side are the ones that want a fun game where they don't care if it totally correlates to what the movie is. Not saying that the pure STar Wars movie ones don't want a fun game just they don't want any EU. I want a fun game that has fun classes to play, it won't bother me if theres a dark trooper flying around. Now I understand where the purist's are coming from, I just think that it would be amazingly cool to fly around blasting people. But than again i won't get butt hurt if they take him out either.
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Old 08-15-2004, 12:41 PM   #91
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but I still would rather not have the darktrooper during reinactments of battles. Its a noob magnet.
Yep, I agree.

Thing is, a lot of units in the game aren't in the movies -

ARC Trooper, Dark Trooper, Assasin Droid, Assault Droid, Clone Jet Trooper, Clone Sharpshooter (skin was in the movies, class wasn't). Plus Imperial Heavy Stormtroopers (There were Pauldron guys, but without rockets).

So if we removed everything non-movie and added in the Bothan & Officer we'd have -

Rebels -
Soldier
Hvy Weapons
Pilot
Sniper
(Not sure about Wookiee Smuggler, there was only Chewie as the Wookiee, and BF one isn't called "Chewbacca"...)

Separatists -
Soldier
Pilot
Droideka

Clones
Soldier
Pilot

Imperials
Soldier
Pilot
Sniper
Officer


So the Clones would have two troopers, the Imperials & Rebels 4 (excluding Smuggler) & the CIS 3. Not really fair..?

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Old 08-15-2004, 12:48 PM   #92
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actually, no. cause they were IN the movies, just in the back. like, for ones, they use the same skins for most. and the rest ( not counting jetpack guy) are at least imaginable. like, they are a givenb, you dont see them, but you know that they are there. I am for the Darktrooper, but only during games just for fun, but for reinactments, I say no.
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Old 08-15-2004, 01:00 PM   #93
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I meant actually visible in the movies...of course they would've had different units for different abilities.

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Old 08-15-2004, 11:36 PM   #94
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Of course a darktrooper is going to be a noobmagnet, jetpack shotgun. I think it'll rank up there with the sniper unit. But usually the guys with the coolest stuff are hardest to play. Which I imagine will be the same with a darktrooper handling the jetpack while trying to shoot, might be a little difficult.

Your list is right on but the rebel heavy weapon unit wouldn't be in there either I never saw one of them running around with a big missle launcher? Did anyone?
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Old 08-15-2004, 11:38 PM   #95
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I wouldnt mind the darktroopers if they didnt fly. But they probably cant fly that high...
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Old 08-16-2004, 02:27 AM   #96
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Darktroopers just look fake to me!


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Old 08-16-2004, 02:34 AM   #97
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You guys are complete idiots if you think you're actually "re-living" the battles. This is an FPS game, think of it that way. You can't "re-live" battles that never ****ing happened. Get over it. being an EU fan I really don't give a **** if anything's different from the movies becuase i'm used to it. So stop crying about how the Darktrooper is going to "Ruin your gaming experience" and get on with your lives. The Darktrooper would have done better as a vehicle and not a class though.

Note: The Darktrooper is an Exo-Suit. Figure it out.
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Old 08-16-2004, 04:59 AM   #98
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The droideka's will be the noob magnets in my eyes. Shield, fastfiring, slow. Do I have to sy more?




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Old 08-16-2004, 01:15 PM   #99
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Yeah the droidekka was overlooked for the noob magnet. But I figure it'll take some skill to play that too. Or else they'll just get blown up by overwhelming firepower!
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Old 08-16-2004, 10:08 PM   #100
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Darktroopers just look fake to me!

Well I haven't posted here in ages but yeah the dark troopers don't look anything like the ones in Dark Forces do, also where is it stated that imperial offericers got the boot so that dark trooper could be in? I thought they were both originally planned to be in the game. Even so, doesn't bother me with thier inclusion.
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Old 08-16-2004, 10:17 PM   #101
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The removal of the Imperial Officer has become apparent in various reviews and videos. All of the officer's duties have been given to other units as well, so he would have nothing to do anyway. We know that they've limited the factions to five units now, one being the special unit, and the special unit for the Imperials is the Dark Trooper so... there is no way the officer is still in. This is old news.

If you watch the IGN video preview, they show scrolling through the classes for the Empire, and the Imperial Officer has indeed dropped out.
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Old 08-17-2004, 02:45 AM   #102
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Unless the Imperial Officer is a computer controlled unit that is seen in certain planet maps like at the bunker map


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Old 08-17-2004, 04:24 AM   #103
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I am pro-Dark Trooper!

As long as they keep it close to the original Dark Forces robotic troopers.
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Old 08-19-2004, 06:13 AM   #104
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So far that doesn't seem to be the case. Just looking at them tells me that.
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Old 08-19-2004, 08:48 AM   #105
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It sounds like the darktrooper won't have great weapons. He will just be hard to hit with the jetback.


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Old 08-19-2004, 10:03 AM   #106
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Is BF1942 a realistic depiction of WWII? Are all the classes and vehicles historically accurate -- definitely not.

I view SWBF the same way. Darktroopers are probably on the Endor and Hoth maps for play balance issues. Taking them out, could possibly weaken the Imperial side.

Star Wars Battlefront is designed to give you the feel of participating in the movies' best battles. It's not designed to be 100% accurate. Does anyone remember sniper rifles in the SW films? Exploding droids?

When Leia walks into Jabba's palace with a thermal detonator, everyone acts like this is some kind of rare, all-powerful weapon. In SWBF everyone carries them.

Don't discount the Darktroopers until you've played the game. It's very likely you might be happy they're there.
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Old 08-19-2004, 11:46 AM   #107
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I dont know if droideka are that huge noob magnets, it has been said many times that they are slow in going to the walking stance, plus a rocket launcher deals with them good enough (my guess)
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Old 08-19-2004, 12:25 PM   #108
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Well written Singard, thats how I think also. I think droidekkas will be the Noob magnet, just because they are going to be looking for something that is powerful and protected, and the shield with the fast firing guns will give them that, until of course they run out and they get annihalated.
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Old 08-19-2004, 02:31 PM   #109
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Once again, this is not an issue of balance. If I were to make a discussion on balance it would deal with the jet pack trooper who seems much more better with a real jet-pack and a rocket. This is instead about the plausibility of these battles.

Many of you bring up good points about the Darktroopers weren't the only ones not on Endor. True enough, but we are NOT looking for "100%" validity, we just want the battles to be semi-real and nothing that would make us think other wise.

There are two factors that the Darktrooper has going against him.

1) Balance - This is one that others have going for them such as the Rebel Vangaurd. The Darktrooper on the other hand contributes nothing to balance. He seems like the Covert Op in ET. The lone wolf, except for an ocassional door and smoke screen, the team could have done without. The Dark Trooper has no "job" which makes him expendable.

2) Believability - This is the big one. It just is not believable that they are their. If the jump-pack was exchanged with the weapons I mentioned in the first post, then it would be believable to me because I could pretend enough that he was just a beefed up storm trooper. I mentioned before that the Dark-troopers jump abilty will allow them to set up flanks and surprise the rebels/ewoks. This goes against the way the battle went down because for the most part the rebels were the ones surprising. Nothing would steam me off more than to be in an isolated part of the battle peering around trees to the battle ahead then suddenly die to in one shot to the head by a shotgun, and while in death cam I see him jump away in the air. If a storm trooper did it, I would give him props.

The only other class that would qualify under these stipulations is the Rebel Smuggler, but he doesn't the way the game is played like the Darktrooper does who goes against the people on the ground with guns theory. The Smuggler is violation 1 while the Dark Trooper would be a violation 4.

I think the key for me is that, it is not just the fact that he does not belong there, it is what he can do that really makes him not belong there. The Darktrooper really seems out of place for me.
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Old 08-19-2004, 02:32 PM   #110
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Noob magnet or not, isnt it going to be balanced, im sure the devs didnt plan to have the droideka as a all-mighty class, or we'll se numerous balls rollin soon
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I heard you had to manually put on the shield by someone who had played the game, so that might take a bit longer than normal, and I heard the blasters overheat fats, so you gotta pace your shots.
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Thats the balance part of it. I kind of put that in my post too, when I said they ran out. I didn't make it very cllear though.

Good points Vader but that is the Darktroopers job to set up flanks. If they can do that thats their job. Most people will be peeved off about it. But what can they do boycott them? Oh well.
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Noob magnet or not, isnt it going to be balanced, im sure the devs didnt plan to have the droideka as a all-mighty class, or we'll se numerous balls rollin soon
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I just don't like the idea of a robot type stormtrooper jumping and using a jet pack on planet endor and Hoth.


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Anyways, the 1 thing i hope, is that the Dark trooper will be left out of hoth

see its like this,on each map theres a different setup for characters, like on hoth there are snowtroopers (instead of normal ones)

so it may just've been left out and used for battles we havent seen in the movies (EU)
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Fat Chance. If you take out one class what are you going to take out for the other side? The Wookiee? I just don't think its going to happen. There are just different skins on different maps, like on kamino the clones are wearing cape type things, but on Naboo they aren't.
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Fat Chance. If you take out one class what are you going to take out for the other side? The Wookiee?
It may just be like this, any1 seen other wookies on hoth besides chewbacca?
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Dark troopers not on Endor and Hoth

Dark troopers will not appear in the Historical campaigns during the battles of Hoth or Endor, and since the player will be on the Alliance on those missions, you won't be able to pick a dark trooper as well. They will be available in the multiplayer, instant action, and Galactic Conquest version of those maps though... hopefully, this is the best of both worlds.
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Re: Dark troopers not on Endor and Hoth

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Dark troopers will not appear in the Historical campaigns during the battles of Hoth or Endor, and since the player will be on the Alliance on those missions, you won't be able to pick a dark trooper as well. They will be available in the multiplayer, instant action, and Galactic Conquest version of those maps though... hopefully, this is the best of both worlds.
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