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Old 05-18-2005, 05:08 PM   #1
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Star Wars = Anti-Bush? More people jumping on the misinformed bandwagon.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/18/mo...s/18star.html?

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About the only other things cutting against the "Star Wars" finale were its long running time, 142 minutes, and a bit of a backlash. That was mainly on conservative Web sites, which were reacting to the film's political jabs at President Bush and the war in Iraq, as when Anakin Skywalker, turning to the dark side, warns that "if you're not with me, you're my enemy."

But executives at LucasFilm and Fox said they were unconcerned.

"Nobody cares," Mr. Snyder said. "Is it pro-Republican? Is it pro-Democrat? Nobody cares. It's entertainment."
I'm curious as to what drugs these people are taking to form this conclusion.


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Old 05-18-2005, 06:30 PM   #2
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I've heard about this on the news, and though they seem similar, I honestly don't care. Still going to watch Episode III, I am. *passes popcorn*

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Old 05-18-2005, 10:27 PM   #3
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jeez, people will do anything these days to turn entertainment into a political issue. besides, i could have sworn the election was over already....


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Old 05-18-2005, 11:23 PM   #4
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Old 05-19-2005, 04:45 AM   #5
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Old 05-20-2005, 04:27 AM   #7
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Its not George Lucas's fault that Bush is very simmilar political figure to what Palpatine is. Plus Lucas had this backstory thought up LOOOOOONG before George Bush sucked his first Saudi Arabian c0ck.


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Old 05-20-2005, 04:28 PM   #8
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Old 05-20-2005, 05:46 PM   #9
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Just because Palpatine is evil and Bush is evil doesn't mean there is a connection!

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Old 05-20-2005, 05:49 PM   #10
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This whole thing is very stupid. People should have more sense!

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Old 05-23-2005, 01:34 AM   #11
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As far as I'm concerned you go to the movies to be entertained not to have radical political idea's rammed down your throat. As Star Wars fans I think we can all just get along and not make this into a political issue.

They're are some rather good points made in this article you should read.
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Old 05-23-2005, 09:39 AM   #12
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This reminds me of the uproar that happened when The Two Towers was about to be released in theatres. There was a swelling of defiance from people who claimed that the name of the movie was insensitive to the 9/11 incident. Apparently these people never read Tolkein or something...

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Old 05-23-2005, 12:29 PM   #13
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You know in my opinion its the exact opposite of a Bush bashing. I mean I think the Jedi represent the United States more than Palpatine does. The Jedi HAVE to play by the rules, cant use underhanded techniques, and they protect everything in the galaxy from evil. Sounds just a little bit like the U.S. in the modern world yes? But, you know in the end its really just an awesome movie, not some political message.


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Old 05-23-2005, 02:43 PM   #14
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You know in my opinion its the exact opposite of a Bush bashing. I mean I think the Jedi represent the United States more than Palpatine does. The Jedi HAVE to play by the rules, cant use underhanded techniques, and they protect everything in the galaxy from evil. Sounds just a little bit like the U.S. in the modern world yes?


You`re joking, right ?


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Old 05-23-2005, 09:09 PM   #15
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I actuall kind of agree with PloKoonRocks.
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Old 05-23-2005, 11:31 PM   #16
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Old 05-24-2005, 11:22 PM   #17
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You know in my opinion its the exact opposite of a Bush bashing. I mean I think the Jedi represent the United States more than Palpatine does. The Jedi HAVE to play by the rules, cant use underhanded techniques, and they protect everything in the galaxy from evil. Sounds just a little bit like the U.S. in the modern world yes?
You are under the influence of a Jedi mind trick.
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Old 05-25-2005, 07:29 PM   #18
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Maybe you ought to try and see the other side of the story. The US has been the worlds savior and scapegoat since 1776. You can thank our forefathers for all modern democracies today.

PS. This post should probebly be locked it's getting a little too political.
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Old 05-25-2005, 07:33 PM   #19
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Maybe you ought to try and see the other side of the story. The US has been the worlds savior and scapegoat since 1776. You can thank our forefathers for all modern democracies today.
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Old 05-25-2005, 07:46 PM   #20
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Maybe you ought to try and see the other side of the story.
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The US has been the worlds savior and scapegoat since 1776.
Ahaha, no. By no means has the U.S. been a "savior." Maybe nowadays it's become a scapegoat, and it sure as hell deserves to be.

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You can thank our forefathers for all modern democracies today.
You seem to be under the impression that America "invented democracy." What, like if America was never founded, every country in the world would be ruled by some ruthless dictator?

Edit: Changed my wording since "evil regime" sounds a bit too much like the Bush Administration.

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PS. This post should probebly be locked it's getting a little too political.
And where do the rules say that politics cannot be discussed at LucasForums?

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Old 05-26-2005, 01:55 AM   #21
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Maybe you ought to try and see the other side of the story. The US has been the worlds savior and scapegoat since 1776. You can thank our forefathers for all modern democracies today.

PS. This post should probebly be locked it's getting a little too political.
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Old 05-26-2005, 08:34 AM   #22
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Does it matter whether or not the movie might be considered Anti-Bush by some? Since when was it against the law to ridicule the government? Hmm?
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Old 05-26-2005, 05:53 PM   #23
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I noticed the line, but I do not think that Lucas is Anti-Bush. It's a totally different case. I do think it is ironic that it was in there though.


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Old 05-26-2005, 06:28 PM   #24
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I do think it is ironic that it was in there though.
Ironic, or coincidental?

Right now, I see no irony in that.


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Old 05-26-2005, 08:27 PM   #25
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Ironic, or coincidental?

Right now, I see no irony in that.
Well, ironic because Obi-Wan said only Sith deal in absolutes after Anakin said that. So, IF it was a shot at Bush (which it probably wasn't), it was like saying he's evil.

...Ok, maybe coincidental was a better word.


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Old 06-04-2005, 01:38 AM   #26
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I by no means stated that America invented democracy. I said "Modern democracy". Democracy was oringinally inventd by the greeks but it wasn't anything like the democracies of today. Only members of the aristocracy could vote and women were also not allowed to vote. The American Revulution was the first of it's kind, the world watched as mistreated colonists who up untill recently had considered themselves British subjects fought back against a tyranical King who refused to give them representation in parliment, When the World saw the colonists earn their freedom they began to question if the same thing could be accomplished in they're own countries. Well the majority of the Worlds governments are democracies today so you judge what happened. Yes, Cheech Marin you make a good point democracy gives you the freedom to speak your mind about whatever you want (guaranteed by the bill of rights if you live in America and in different documents depending on where you live).

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Old 06-04-2005, 08:50 AM   #27
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Ok I think this is pretty ridiculous, questioning whether movies are in some little way against bush. Who cares? Its Star Wars, not some modern day political conspiracy film, it has nothing to do with Bush or his government.
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Old 10-31-2005, 08:35 PM   #28
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Say what you like, I'm already sure that Bush is the Sith Lord Darth Dubya. He's even designed American Star Destroyers, as seen in Popular Science. Plus there's this:
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop looking for new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither will we."
Either he's being stupid, serious, or both, that not good.

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Old 11-01-2005, 09:24 AM   #29
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Personally, for all the metaphor fans out there, I'd feel that the Seperatists and "The insugency" have the lead in 'cool' nicknames.

Anyway Star Wars is a movie. A tale showing the ultimate triumph of good over evil and the redemption of one man who had fallen to ultimate evil and redeemed himself.

Sadly, these kind of tales are often mirrored in real life, but without any redemption bits and evil always wins.


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Old 11-01-2005, 09:59 AM   #30
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Well, considering when Star Wars was created, it would only be possible for AOTC and ROTS to be a critique of GW Bush as US president.. logically.

I think there are some comments on US politics in those movies, but it's one thing to admit that and another to think that's the only point of the movie or that it's intended to bring down his presidency (ie: calling it "anti-bush propagdana"). Lucas was anti-Nixon and anti-Vietnam war, and he supposedly incorporated that kind of thinking into the original trilogy (Nixon was going to be one of his models for Palpatine, though he seems more just like a generic evil wizard in ROTJ rather than a popular, but corrupt politician).

There's parallels in there from other parts of American history too like the Civil War and WWII. Lucas has always admitted he's used historical parallels in Star Wars, and he did recently compare Vietnam to the Iraq war.

So is there nothing about Bush in the last two prequels?

"If you're not with me, then you're my enemy." "You're starting to sound like a Seperatist!" Emergency powers, terrorist threats, etc.

I think it's pretty obvious where he drew some inspiration. If you love Bush, does that mean you can't love Star Wars? That's up to you to decide.

To those who say there is NO connection, I think you should check out the original Episode II poster, which is most telling of all!


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Old 11-01-2005, 12:42 PM   #31
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Srry but i am always reffering to WWII when i hear star wars
lets say
Clone Wars:WWI
Galactic civil war
when the Jews where purged (im sorry if im insulting anybody but im from holland and i dont know what to call it)is like the same as Jedi Purge
you can call Naboo
Elzas-Lotharingen btween French and germany
Palpatine-Hitler
and WWI Clone wars it was the asset
to the WWII (Galactic Civil war)
so this might not be a very readable post
but can Kurgan or IS make it a bit more clarifying (Correct word?)
Edit: Palpy used the clone wars as a excuse to take the power so did hitler with WWI



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Uh.........Hitler didn't use WW1 as an excuse. He served in the German army, and rose to power during the great depression. He promised Germany a way to get back onto the world stage (not involving the army at this time, publically, but he rebuilt it for 'protection'). He used the 'attack' on the Rehichstag (or whatever, I'm not very good at German building names) by 'communists' and seized the power to defeat them.


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Star Wars isn't a (direct) allegory, but there are certainly many parallels.

Palpatine could also be seen as Stalin, who "purged" his generals because he didn't trust them.


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Palpatine isn't similar to Bush, he's actually very similar to Ceaser (his rise to power, how his best friend betrayed him, etc).
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Just because Palpatine is evil and Bush is evil doesn't mean there is a connection!
Sure there is!

= Bush

= Not bush (more like Rosavelt or JFK)
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If anything, Star Wars is Anti-Empire... despite what you read in the Weekly Standard.

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Why do people come up with utter ***** like this? They must be taking drugs. I think a while ago I saw something on the internet where they were trying to prove that Yoda was Satan = .

Is everyone here anti-Bush or something?
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I'm not anti-Bush, I'm anti-Idiot. Same thing, really.
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Well, seeing as I don't want to get in a Bush argument, I will resist from Force Crushing you . I am anti-idiot, but I am not anti-Bush. And no, that is not contradicting.
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