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Old 08-25-2004, 09:41 AM   #1
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Battlefront World Championship 2005

In the spring and summer of 2005 the best clan in Star Wars Battlefront will emerge.

I am planning, with the help of other volunteers, to create a tournament in which all the best clans participate and the true world champion emerges. The World Championship.

Now, the torunament will be divided into two parts: The qualifying tournaments and then the main tournament. Beginning in February 2005, any clan who wishes to compete for the world championship will have to go through qualifying rounds. Now, it has yet to be decided whether the qualifying rounds will be one of two things

1. Each clan will have 6 matches and the overall record determines who makes it.
2. Numerous small tournaments are conducted and the clan's are entered into the world championships by how they do.

The main world championships will begin in June, 2005 and will consist of 32 teams, bracket style. Each game will allow each team to have a maximum of 12 players.
So, if team A has 7 members in their clan and team B has 19 members in their clan, Team A must usually play shorthanded because they are unable to produce 12 members. Team B would only be able to play 12 of their 17 members in each match.

As for maps, that will be decided by the commitee that I am assembling. There will be a wide variety of maps, howevewr the same map will be in every match for each round. So, if round 1's map is Hoth then every match ill use that map.
I will be making a thread in the editing forum for a map making contest. Whoever makes the best map as decided by a comitee will have the honor of having their map played in the semi final and championship rounds. This is a great way for map makers to have their work exposed.

Now, in order for this to happen I obviously need some help therefor I am making a call for volunteers. Work needs to begin right now for something this large to happen. I will take a few volunteers now and then many more once the game actually comes out. If you wish to volunteer the clan you are in will get an automatic win in the qualifying round. Therefor, you will be one step ahead of everyone else.

Besides volunteers, I also need servers. The tournament will have around 4 matches each day, mostly in the evening. Therefor I need 4 rented servers. If someone would be so kind as to donate the 4 servers, the clan they are in will be able to automatically enter the world championship tournament as one of the 32 teams.

I will be creating a website, however I will be forced to use a free webhosting service. If anyone wishes to make and maintain a website with the URL www.swbattlefrontchampionships.com then their clan will also be automatically allowed into the world championship tournament.

Thank you for reading this. I will prodive more details later so please check back frequently. A forum will be up soon. Any questions post here please.

-Boran

PS: IEF will not get an automatic bye into the world championship.


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Old 08-25-2004, 09:58 AM   #2
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Nice initiative

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Old 08-25-2004, 10:15 AM   #3
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Thank you Pad. There were a couple of things I forgot to mention in the first post that I remembered while getting some clothes on.

The tournament I will be organizing is for PC players only. However, I am willing to work with somebody else on a PS2 and X Box tournament, however this person must do most of the work, I'll have my hands full with the PC tournament alone.

Clans who have multiple platforms may compete in the PC tournament along with the other platform tournaments if they are created.

Also, mercenary clans. Mercenary clans have 2 options.

a. They can fight as a clan just like everyone else through the qualifying rounds and the main rounds.
b. They can be mercenaries during the championship tournament. A seperate award will be given to the mercenary group who racks up the most points. More details will come.

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Old 08-26-2004, 12:39 AM   #4
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Interesting idea, although unless you're offering an incentive to participate, I wouldn't expect much interest. Whichever gaming league wants to set themselves up as the place to compete in SW:BF would have already started a large-scale tournament within 2 months of the game being out. How do I figure? TWL had a 128 team tournament open up within a month of the release of BF:Vietnam and it was rolling within two. Within three they had their major ladders and leagues rolling. Major online gaming leagues are already planning to host this game and whoever wants to attract the most teams and provide the best competetion will do something similar. By the time this initiative is scheduled to roll around, the more serious teams will already be quite tied up with leagues and weekly preparations for league matches to devote more time to an outside tournament - especially one without some sort of payout. Not to mention the big blowout kickoff competetion will have already come and gone.

Incentives like what? Like free servers from a hosting company, free webhosting, etc - some sort of sponsorship will draw teams to play. Otherwise there's going to be very few teams willing to put the time and preparation in for a one-time player-organized event. If you can't get some company to sponsor your tournament and agree to give some free services/stuff to the winning team, don't expect any of the top teams to bother. And without any good competetion, the title 'SW:B World Champion' will mean next to nothing.

I don't mean to be a downer, I just wouldn't want to see you put a lot of time and effort into this and see a poor turnout. Just warning you out of my experiences with trying to get something similar going in the BF world. Idea's good. However, you're going to want to hunt out a sponsor before you delve further into the preparations.


I'd be willing to work with you on this, at the least provide the webspace and my webskills. I'll try to get on AIM a bit this week so we can chat about sponsorship prospects and just some general points I have about tournament logistics that would make things run smoother than you're currently planning (single-elim format, one match per week for each team, clans are required to host their own matches, dump the merc clan business (there's so many things wrong with that...)).

Anyway, we'll be in touch.
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Old 08-26-2004, 06:34 AM   #5
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Ok, great what about ping difference? No way Im gonna play against US players with 200 ping, gives kind an advantage to other team, I'd rather have independent tournaments or leagues to Europe and US


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Old 08-26-2004, 08:37 AM   #6
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Schetter, you bring up many good points.

Now, my ultimate goal is to draw all of the best clans for Star Wars Battlefront into this tournament from all the different leagues going on for one big tournament. In the different leagues they will have tournaments, however all of the best clans don't participate.

I greatly appreciate your comments and look forward to chatting with you on AIM. All the help is greatly appreciate because, even though the tournament will not begin until February 2005, preperations must begin now. You are right that a sponser is greatly needed.

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Old 08-26-2004, 11:31 AM   #7
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Ok, great what about ping difference? No way Im gonna play against US players with 200 ping, gives kind an advantage to other team, I'd rather have independent tournaments or leagues to Europe and US

My BF:42 group had to play a match against a group in Brazil. We just played one round on our server and then a round on theirs to be fair. There's ways to compensate.
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Old 08-27-2004, 03:55 PM   #8
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I've posted the link to this thread in our clan forums. Let's see what happens.

I don't know if Antakah decides to anticipate, but if there's any way I can assist setting this up I would be glad to help.




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Old 08-27-2004, 06:52 PM   #9
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THat'd be great, we'll get you involved somehow.

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Old 08-28-2004, 12:43 AM   #10
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Old 08-28-2004, 06:17 PM   #11
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I was more or less thinking of making a simple "SWBF.NET tournament OCTOBER" etc, not "world championships.." mostly they're only getting mentioned when a game is out for quite some time. Wouldn't a simple montly drop-out tournament be better and more subtle? (tournaments named after the month and not year...)


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Old 08-28-2004, 10:19 PM   #12
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Clans change continually, doing a yearly championship before monthly would be a bit unfair. Monthly is more chances etc. It's generally the same as a "world championship", instead of bragging who's the world champ you can fight for as many monthly awards as you can. For people seeking good clans for their skills its the perfect measurement. I mean, we hardly enjoy waiting 40 days for battlefront, why make things now and wait a year for a yearly champ

As for a site, just a black page (with an image of the matches schedule (

clan x -|winner x vs y
clan y -|

clan z -|winner z vs b
clan b -|
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and then Y v B, fall out tournament) should be enough, with the tournament rules. Shouldn't be anything special in design..Or a page on swbf.net. Who knows. I aint promising anything because I can't

I think this could attract enough clans. Believe me. Clans will be formed and seeking a chance to express their skills in order to get more recruits.


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Old 08-29-2004, 12:00 PM   #13
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I was more or less thinking of making a simple "SWBF.NET tournament OCTOBER" etc, not "world championships.." mostly they're only getting mentioned when a game is out for quite some time. Wouldn't a simple montly drop-out tournament be better and more subtle? (tournaments named after the month and not year...)
But wouldn't a world championship tournament, heald once a year containing the best clans of Star Wars Battlefront, be better than dinky monthly tournaments? The strongest clans of Battlefront wouldn't be interested in competing in little monthly tournaments. I think there will be a much greater chance of assembling all the best clans if there is one, big, yearly World Championship tournament.

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Old 08-29-2004, 12:03 PM   #14
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my clan would like to enter in a sence it would be like wow but every few months or so


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Old 08-29-2004, 01:10 PM   #15
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I think the choice between a yearly and a monthly championsship should be based on the number of serious clans that will participate. I lost the overview a month or so ago, and I've no precise idea wich clan has enough members to participate (I can imagine some post more then they really have on the clandatabase, to atract more new members).

I like the idea of Alegis to organise it from the battlefront.net comunity, and I also like his idea of giving such an event a little bit more common instead of once a year. There are currently 11 clans listed in Craftsman clanlist, and those clans are probably the only ones who are active in this comunity. Personally I like the idea of Alegis of having monthly clanbattles with these clans (maybe more after the game comes out). If you want really big yearly championsships Boran, you should look on other places for clans we hardly know. That wouldn't exactly bhe my choice.

I think we should leave the yearly chapionships now and organize them when the serious clan comunity is bigger. It's agood idea, but if we want to keep it in the battlefront.net comunity we don't have enough clans. Instead of this we could have the monthly championships. We make a championship structure or use the one Boran proposed, give the event a face (site, forums, etc) to make it a popular comunity event. You know, a bit like the Olympics. If the number of participating clans gets big, we can always change the structure and create a world championsship.




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Old 08-29-2004, 01:47 PM   #16
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You must remember Mountainforest, the majority of the clans that have been established right now on these forums will not last for the first month of Battlefront. And remember, many clans just accept every member who applies so those clans will be, naturally, weak. You will find that the strongest clans will be the few that survive into game release and the ones formed once the game is actually released. Those clans established once the game is released will enter the many different leagues out there. Because of this, it would be almost impossible to have a Starwarsbattlefront.net organization with the best clans.

Now, a yearly tournament that only happens once a year would encourage all the best clans of the best leagues to compete for that title 'World Champion" (Plus the free server hat comes with it). You will find that that attracts much more than a simple monthly tournament.

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You must remember Mountainforest, the majority of the clans that have been established right now on these forums will not last for the first month of Battlefront. And remember, many clans just accept every member who applies so those clans will be, naturally, weak. You will find that the strongest clans will be the few that survive into game release and the ones formed once the game is actually released. Those clans established once the game is released will enter the many different leagues out there. Because of this, it would be almost impossible to have a Starwarsbattlefront.net organization with the best clans.

Now, a yearly tournament that only happens once a year would encourage all the best clans of the best leagues to compete for that title 'World Champion" (Plus the free server hat comes with it). You will find that that attracts much more than a simple monthly tournament.

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I agree with you that we don't have to count on the weak clans (we're not one of them, we're putting members on trial). And I agree we need more clans.

You want to find strong clans from other comunitys and unite them in a yearly championsshipe. I think it would be nice if we already have a plan for battlefront.net clanbattles if the game comes out, so clans want to join this comunity.




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Old 08-29-2004, 02:10 PM   #18
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I'd be in favor of a swbattlefront.net league, at least for a little while once the game comes out.

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Old 09-01-2004, 10:33 AM   #19
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hello everebody

hello I'm Xel'rash
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but you probably know mountainforest he's moderator at our clan
I am moderator two ( but I will no longer bore you with my speech)

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concerning lag between european vs american, you can have two matches. one in america en the second in europe. then everyone has equal chances. and if you want to make it a official championship then the best way to start is to find sponsor's




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I play PS2 SWBF, i could help set it up....
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sorry m8 I had not seen that you already said it




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Old 09-02-2004, 09:24 AM   #24
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i'll put up the domain but u gotta talk to me on AIM and i'll tell u what i want and stuff.if ur inerested my AIM is josesmoe and my YIM is DASMOENTAOR lemme know.


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sponsors? there shouldnt be any prices in a swbf.net competition me thinks. And if its a swbf.net competition the page would be on the site right its too early to talk about a world championship-year.


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What platform is it gonna be anyway? I'd be in favour of PC. I guess Boran thinks the same.




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if i run it it will be all 3 systems and we will have prizes for the top 3 teams.


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I'm only doing the PC, someone else would have to do it for PS2 and XBox.


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heh, no prob. Found it funny that you reiterated my points exactly from a week ago.
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well like i said if u all want the domain IM me on AIM josesmoe and i'll get to work on it today.


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sponsors? there shouldnt be any prices in a swbf.net competition me thinks. And if its a swbf.net competition the page would be on the site right its too early to talk about a world championship-year.
no, sponsors tho rend good servers etc. but that would by a hard job to accomplish




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I've been advising Boran on a few issues over the past week or two regarding this tournament. What actually goes down is ultimately up to him, but I'm trying to steer him clear of a few pitfalls that could make the tournament less than a success.

A few notes that I'd like to share with all of you is that I've advised:

-a single-elim format, no 'qualifying' rounds before hand (to make a compact tournament that can take place over the course of a few weeks rather than months)
- for the tournament should be scheduled to start when there's a break in the regular season play of the major leagues hosting SW:BF (ie, playoffs/off season before a new one starts) as to not interfere too much with the routine competetions
- to drop the 'merc clan' stuff
- to keep the custom map contest separate from the tournament or at least keep the maps out of the final rounds if they MUST be in the tournament at all. Customs in competetion can cause major hastles.

I'll leave Boran to comment on whether he's adopting my suggestions or not.

I will be taking the tab for the domain and the site will be hosted off of the 194th's space. I'm not giving getting the site up and running a very high priority at this point since this event is so far off. We will be letting the public know when it is up.

I will also be on the hunt for a sponsor (or sponsors) for this tournament. Primary targets are game server rental companies that would agree to giving the winning team a server at no cost for x amount of time. The other route would be to gather various sponsorships in the form of cash grants and put that money towards furnishing the prize(s).

More info as it becomes available.
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Since everyone is so divided haow about this idea. You could host monthly clan wars to qualify for quarterly finals. Take the top 2 clans each quarter and they will be the ones who compete in the World Championships. This way all clans have to work at it on a monthly Basis, but only the top 8 teams would go to the finals...This would eliminate most of the weak clans who will drop off throughout the year anyway.

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The reason why I suggest a single elim format that can start and finish in a 6-7 week period is so that it can be squeezed in between regular competetion seasons at the main gaming leagues.

What need is there for qualifying rounds? Remember, these matches are to be played in addition to whatever other competetions clans are currently in. Conflict with that too much and most clans won't bother - there's only so much time to go around. Being as non-obtrusive as possible is going to be key to getting a good turnout. This means scheduling in the off season and keeping the time commitment as short as possible.

If it seems like the window of opportunity there is going to be too short, then I may advise giving seeds to the top teams (can be determined easily by whoever is in the playoffs or high in the rankings of whatever leagues there are) and then have qualifying rounds for the remainder of the spots while the better teams are still duking it out in the playoffs of their respective leagues. In my experience, league schedules typically run along side each other from site to site (meaning typically all the leagues are in their playoff rounds at the same time) so it would make sense to do it that way.
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I would like to thank Schetter for his advice and consule, along with everyone else who has given suggestions thus far. I am still considering the details and will post them when I am ready.

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aight well like i said if u need me you know where to contact me.i got some ideas if u wanna hear.


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hey joe, is TOL going to be competing in this?
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Old 09-03-2004, 07:24 PM   #38
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does this involve the greatest xbox clan!?


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Old 09-04-2004, 01:39 PM   #39
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Why was this un-sticked?

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Old 09-04-2004, 02:16 PM   #40
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a tad bit (6, 7 months?) too early? oh well back to what it was then


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