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Old 11-08-2004, 10:03 AM   #281
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Although what you've got above is probably not a spoiler, I won't be reading it anyway. So thank you for the test of my will power.


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Old 11-08-2004, 02:35 PM   #282
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That's a good policy, Froz. I remember lukeiamyourdad's "spoiler" of about a year ago about there being no battle in Episode 3...
A year ago...geez...don't you have errr better examples? Gee a year ago is still speculation. I was only saying what I heard.

Viceroy's spoiler box isn't one. There's nothing we don't know. Though it doesn't look like an Acklay. More like a giant tick.
EU contradicts EU. It clearly states in the Star Wars databanks that the Nantex fighter was only designed for Geonosians.
Due to its complex systems, only a Geonosian could fly it.


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Old 11-08-2004, 03:00 PM   #283
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Here is an argument(almost ultimate since now, it won't change) against your Maul=Grievious theory.
Listed under "movies" at the Star Wars databanks:

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Part non-humanoid alien, part custom-designed droid, Grievous hunted Jedi for sport and proudly displayed his victims' lightsabers around his belt as trophies of his conquests.
Maul is indeed a humanoid alien. Can't be him then.

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Old 11-08-2004, 04:12 PM   #284
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Well, here's my "spoiler".

[Spoiler:]
Syfo-dyas isn't that important. It's just Palpatine. They catch him deleting the files on a security camera. How lame. (So I've heard)
[/Spoiler:]

*I messed up the little spoiler thing. Oh well...


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Old 11-08-2004, 04:22 PM   #285
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Small "s". Not capital.


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Old 11-08-2004, 05:10 PM   #286
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Capital "S" doesn't matter. What does matter is the ":" which you shouldn't have there.

Just press the Spoiler button. It's rediculously easy.

By the way I tend not to believe Sifo-Dyas is just Palpatine. It makes no sense. Is that really a spoiler or just something you heard from someone?

Luke's Dad: Yes, it's listed under the "movie" section, but so far we haven't actually seen it in a movie. Just being listed under the "movie" section in the Databank doesn't make it stop being EU if it isn't also in the movies. Besides it doesn't make much sense... why would a non-humanoid alien be put into a humanoid droid body?

But like I said earlier I'm not so confident about Grevious=Maul, what I am thinking is more likely the case is Maul=Sifo-Dyas; I just see Maul=Sifo-Dyas=Greivous as the perfect way to reveal that plot element.


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Old 11-08-2004, 07:02 PM   #287
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Old 11-08-2004, 11:50 PM   #288
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I know luke has posted this link but

http://www.starwars.com/databank/cha...ous/index.html

If you click on the picture you get what seems to be a clip from the movies and the picture above has a picture of hiom with those Cat Eyes.

Also I said it looked like an Acklay in refernce to those legs. I also said MAY be related to the Acklay Family.


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Old 11-09-2004, 02:57 AM   #289
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I've said it before, my gut tells me that Grievous is just Grievous and at most he was SD in his past life. We know nothing of Sifo, so maybe Sifo was a non-humanoid Jedi with yellow cat eyes. The problem that I have with bringing this character on is that now we have to major cyborgs in the Star Wars universe, Grievous and Darth Vader. That sets a precedence. Now this cyborg archetype is acceptable for other characters. I'm afraid that Lucas has opened a Pandora's Box for the EU. Other characters could now start poring into the SW universe that are cyborg types that come in and start womping on Jedi and the like. Maybe that's another one of his marketing idea, to start a new archetype line for the EU. Now we can have the ultimate bad guy, somebody can clone the Emperor (again) and build a Grievous type droid body giving him the ability to fight with three light sabers at once and shoot of Force Lightning at the same time while commanding an army. How's Luke going to stop that? With the Suncrusher? Can he through some Ysalamiri at him?


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Old 11-09-2004, 05:05 AM   #290
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In that entry mentions nothing about the Force I have frequently said that he most likely has no force sensitivity.

Nairb have you no sense People in this forum have tried to make that topic is a TABOO subject.

If Purists don't like EU so be it just don't dump on it for those who like it it's common courtesy and everyone here is illegedly courteous.

Grevious is more machine than man and by that it means for more Machine than Vader was. Vader had some Human in him Vader in the end turned out to be good in the end. Grevious I doubt will ever have such a noble ending.

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That is the starwars.com entry of him. Vader was not a "brilliant" strategist but he was a pretty good one. Grevious did most of the commanding himself, Vader delegated duties to captians and that lot.

Nairb if your gonna make assumptions about EU then you should at least try to know what the current state ot the star wars universe is Post NJO.

The Galaxy is at peace. NO ARMIES DOING BATTLE Cloning technologies are generally forwned upon because of the clone wars experience.

At present the galaxy is rebuilding after the Shattering Yuuzhan Vong War.

The Emporer is dead his last clone body was destroyed at least 10 years before now and The Empire is now the Imperial Remnanat and has moved from the vulnerable TIE Fighter to the superior TIE Defenders.

The Sun Crusher was also destroyed and even with the completion of episode 3 there are no major continuity errors despite what some people want to think.

Yslmiri are propably a little rare now after the Yuuzhan Vong occupation of Mykr.


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Old 11-09-2004, 09:14 AM   #291
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Originally posted by DK_Viceroy Nairb have you no sense People in this forum have tried to make that topic is a TABOO subject.
Ouch!! Touché!! I'll admit I know very little of the NJO as I gave up on the EU just before that series began because of my frustration with the EU.

My point was merely that although Grievous seems to be a fascinating character, I I'm not sure I will be too fond of him in some respects.

You are not the first to question the existence of my "sense".


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Old 11-09-2004, 10:06 AM   #292
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Just take the "subtle" hint and try not to bring it up again that topic has a habit of driving people away and with this place recovering it's not something we want to happen. Not when this forum has started to recover if somewhat slowly.

The NJO series is pretty good it Ties up most of the loose ends left by most of the other EU and prepares for another series.

It's quite an epic series I will admit that some of the things early on don't seem kosha in a way but it ends up as a good set of books.


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Old 11-09-2004, 12:27 PM   #293
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Lucasfilm today admitted that Revenge of the Sith is likely to be "total ****". A tired and emotional Rick McCallum was quoted as saying, "We all know George hasn't really made a good film since The Empire Strikes Back nearly 25 years ago. After that he completely lost the plot and we've been unable to stop him from making embarassing crap. Let's just pray that he doesn't live too much longer". He was then discreetly led away by a number of dwarfs in Ewok costumes riding mechanical spiders.


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Old 11-09-2004, 01:26 PM   #294
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Actually Nairb I'm surprised the EU hasn't already had a significant number of cyborgs - though perhaps Viceroy will inform me otherwise. The inclusion of Greivous as another cyborg character to me doesn't really open any more doors for EU than just having Vader as the only cyborg did.

And in the face of overwhelming hints from EU (though nothing yet from the movies), perhaps I'll drop my Greivous = Maul theory. Though I still think it's possible that either Sifo-Dyas = Greivous or Sifo-Dyas = Maul, but less likely that they're all one in the same.


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Old 11-09-2004, 01:46 PM   #295
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Bah the NJO screwed things up enough already. I can hardly imagine worse then that.

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Old 11-09-2004, 05:00 PM   #296
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Well Lucas could have said No screw the fans I'm rich now I want to live my life and just not done 1,2,3. I hink you would be flaming him more if he did not bother completing the story.


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Old 11-10-2004, 04:52 AM   #297
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Saber, where did you hear that at? Do you have a source? Is it on the net somewhere? It's a pretty damaging quote from your producer I think. Almost grounds for dismissal, even if its true. If a guy that works for me said that publicly, I'd pull a Donald Trump and fire him.


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Old 11-10-2004, 07:28 AM   #298
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Yeah, Rick McCallum really said that. And Dwarfs in Ewok costumes really led him away

For those who believe anything they read on the net, Saberhagen has either made that up himself, or taken it as a quote from someone else who made it up.


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Old 11-10-2004, 08:19 AM   #299
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Yup, the proof is in the pudding, so fork up the pudding Saber!!


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PMSL!!!!!!!

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What does PMSL mean? I'm not good with net-lingo (and proud of the fact).

Saber, my comment was more directed to those who were taking you seriously than being critical of you.


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PMSL could be an abbreviation of that latin babble from a while ago.


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What does PMSL mean? I'm not good with net-lingo (and proud of the fact).

Saber, my comment was more directed to those who were taking you seriously than being critical of you.
I know, I could tell you understood it. I'm just astounded that anyone for even a split second thought it wasn't a wind up! So I just had to Piss MySelf Laughing.
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Well, ok, so you get us. Good one. I'm a dope.


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Though Vostok I doubt you would use that though it doesn't sound like somthing you would actually say.


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Here is an argument(almost ultimate since now, it won't change) against your Maul=Grievious theory.
Listed under "movies" at the Star Wars databanks:

Part non-humanoid alien, part custom-designed droid, Grievous hunted Jedi for sport and proudly displayed his victims' lightsabers around his belt as trophies of his conquests.

Maul is indeed a humanoid alien. Can't be him then.

http://www.starwars.com/databank/cha...ous/index.html
I felt it important to point out that the non-humanoid comment no longer exists in the databank. In my reading of the Databank after finding the Dreadnaught entry to show to Viceroy, I thought I'd read Greivous' entry. As well as having a new picture there of him, it no longer refers in any way to what sort of alien he was before becoming part droid.

Not that this validates my Maul=Greivous theory, I'm still not confident about that at all, I just found it interesting that they changed their story...


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I don't think it could be maul from the sounds of things the species Grevious is from has four arms since Grevious has a deadly fighting style and uses 4 arms at times to deadly effect.

Those droids in the background of that Picture must be the legendary ones with Staffs that can stop a Lightsabre.

Maybe those could be in the new RTS.


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I don't think it could be maul from the sounds of things the species Grevious is from has four arms since Grevious has a deadly fighting style and uses 4 arms at times to deadly effect.
Well that's what the EU says, and until recently the databank supported this with its "non-humanoid" comment. But I find it intriguing that any reference to him being non-humanoid has been erased from existence in the databank.


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No that bit is actually from the Movies section.


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Not any more it isn't. That's the whole point of my post. The movies section used to say he was non-humanoid, and now it doesn't. Why was it changed? That's the question I'm asking. Also in the General Grevious' EU section it doesn't mention anything about him being non-humanoid either.


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Maybe they uploaded a Post ep III databank instead of uploading the one they meant to.

They may not have wanted to give away some details so soon.


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Unlikely since as you already said they've mentioned in EU that he had four arms. They're not giving anything away if it's already published elsewhere.

The previous one can't have been a "post Episode 3" databank; for one thing it's unlikely such a thing has been written, but more importantly this one actually reveals more about what he does in Episode 3 than the previous one did. The last paragraph describes what he's doing at the start of Episode 3, and no such paragraph existed before.

In combination with the newer pictures it seems obvious to me this is a newer databank entry than the previous non-humanoid entry.


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Well still it doesn't contradict the EU though I think I now realise why it's been changed.

There were some images-concept art of Grevious as having a wheel droid mode.

That may have changed and as such no longer a need for him to be classed as Non Humanoid.

Perhaps he could be a Givin.


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Maybe he was going to be a non-humanoid character but they read our discussions and liked the idea so much that George Lucas changed his mind and at the last minute has decided to go with our idea of Grievous being Maul? Could it be that we have altered Star Wars history forever??

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Nairb of course that's what happened

I still think because it was prior to the Ammendment they may have been planning to feature some shots of Grevious and his Wheel droid mode.


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But the fact he has a wheel droid mode after he becomes a droid shouldn't effect the fact he was non-humanoid before he became a droid.

I think Nairb is right too


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Yes but the point is he's not all robot and if he went to wheel droid mode he'd have to be non humanoid otherwise it'd half kill him going to that mode.


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Old 11-17-2004, 06:55 AM   #320
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I know that, but the non-humanoid refers to before he was a droid. We can see that currently only his head and maybe torso are the non-robotic bits, so the fact he can now go into wheel droid mode isn't inhibited by the fact he may have been humanoid before becoming a droid.


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