Did Anakin bring balance to the Force? - Page 2

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-15-2004, 02:11 PM

now now, they enslaved everyone, so they weren't being discriminitory about it, and they didn't oppress certain races

Shok_Tinoktin · 10-15-2004, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch
palpatine and vader would let anyone live, so long as they didn't fight back, hitler oppressed certain peoples

whats the difference between oppressing people and not letting them fight back? your not making much sense

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now now, they enslaved everyone, so they weren't being discriminitory about it, and they didn't oppress certain races

how many non-human officers did u see on the side of the Empire?

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-15-2004, 02:13 PM

hitler would force certain peoples to death or slavelabor, whereas the empire would allow them to go about their normal lives so long as they didn't fight back

Shok_Tinoktin · 10-15-2004, 02:14 PM

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Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch
hitler would force certain peoples to death or slavelabor, whereas the empire would allow them to go about their normal lives so long as they didn't fight back

what about Wookiees?

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-15-2004, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin
what about Wookiees?

ooh, i hadn't thought about that, ok, so i disagree with that, but i would rather live under the empire than NR

Shok_Tinoktin · 10-15-2004, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch
ooh, i hadn't thought about that, ok, so i disagree with that, but i would rather live under the empire than NR

You wouldn't if you were a wookiee!

btw, the same thing I said about wookiees, goes for countless other species such as the Mon Calamari

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-15-2004, 02:21 PM

yeah, now, i don't agree with the hwhole enslaving thing, and i'm not a wookiee

*Kurgan* · 10-16-2004, 01:51 AM

Hmmm, the Empire didn't give Alderaan a chance to surrender, or to turn over any "Rebel Sympathizers."

In fact, even after the supposed "deal" Tarkin made with Leia, they still blew the planet up!

The Empire is controlled by a bunch of evil ********, either way you look at it.

In all seroiusness, I too think that the Empire is "cool" but only because it's fiction!

The Empire might have "law & order" but the fact that they can (and do) turn on their own citizens with deadly force on a whim is quite disturbing, and is the whole reason for the Rebellion in the first place. At least that's how Lucas wrote the story.

*El Sitherino* · 10-16-2004, 07:27 PM

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Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch
now now, they enslaved everyone, so they weren't being discriminitory about it, and they didn't oppress certain races

they destroyed the jedi... that's pretty bigotous in my opinion.

guybroom · 10-17-2004, 03:13 AM

Put it this way:

Jedi = Jews

Imperials = Nazis

How about that for simple?

And when did the Empire enslave the Wookies? Do u mean in KOTOR?

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-17-2004, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by guybroom
Put it this way:

Jedi = Jews

Imperials = Nazis

How about that for simple?

And when did the Empire enslave the Wookies? Do u mean in KOTOR?

someone correct me if i'm wrong, but han rescued chewie from imperial enslavement, which is how the life debt incurred

primalunderdog · 10-17-2004, 03:56 PM

That is true,Chewie was rescued by han in a prison camp.

*Kurgan* · 10-17-2004, 08:29 PM

I haven't read the old Han Solo books, but was Chewie an Imperial slave or just a slave of some pirates or something?

I always assumed that the Wookies were enslaved by the Empire, but that doesn't mean that other people didn't treat them as slaves, such as Chewbacca.

Just curious...

**Jan Gaarni** · 10-17-2004, 11:48 PM

I believe I remember correctly when I say he was an Imperial slave.

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-18-2004, 07:02 AM

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Originally posted by Kurgan
I haven't read the old Han Solo books, but was Chewie an Imperial slave or just a slave of some pirates or something?

I always assumed that the Wookies were enslaved by the Empire, but that doesn't mean that other people didn't treat them as slaves, such as Chewbacca.

Just curious...

it is mentioned several times that chewie was rescued from imperial slavery in the EU books

*Sivy* · 10-18-2004, 07:08 AM

Ep III spoiler warning...

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i believe in Ep III you will see the wookiees being enslaved by the empire, including chewbacca.

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-18-2004, 07:24 AM

how do you create that spoiler blankout thingy

*Sivy* · 10-18-2004, 07:32 AM

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how do you create that spoiler blankout thingy

you can use the spoiler tag by typing [spoiler] then your spoiler here [~spoiler] (replace ~ with / for it too work)

*Kurgan* · 10-18-2004, 12:22 PM

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Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch
it is mentioned several times that chewie was rescued from imperial slavery in the EU books

Okay, since I haven't read those books (the only book I've read that mentioned it was the "Wookiee Storybook" that says "slave traders") I'll take your word for it that it was Imperials who enslaved Chewie. ; )

guybroom · 10-21-2004, 12:33 PM

I think that the spoiler was right. I've heard that too. Also I mentioned KOTOR before and I'm not sure if this needs a spoiler tag or not but i'll do it anyway.

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The czeca corp enslave the wookies on kashak (or eden as they call it). Czerca isn't the empire but it does work for the empire

It might be like that in EP 3

Pho3nix · 10-22-2004, 08:58 AM

Well i'd say yes. Because he killed the Emperor (although he resurrected again some time later)

guybroom · 11-21-2004, 05:58 AM

The emperor got reserected? is that the EU?

Jedi Yuriath · 11-22-2004, 05:08 AM

The Jedi represent the Force and the Sith the Dark Side of the Force. Bringing balance to the means that the Sith die but the Jedi stay. If I remember correctly, I guess Lucas says that in the audio commentaries of the RotJ.

Anyhow, don't find that strange that the most powerful Force-sensitive never had a student?!? Anakin was obi-Wan's padawan and then, as Darth Vader, he was Palpatine's pupil. Anakin was always the second even though he tried to lure luke to the Dark Side to help him destroy the Emperor and take his place.

Vader's plan was quite simple if you compare it to Sidious'; turn Luke to the Dark Side and betray his mentor. I wonder why Palpatine did not farsaw Vader's treachery. Was Vader enough powerful in the Dark Side to hide things to the Emperor?!? Vader did feel that Luke was in the shuttle and the Emperor did not.

Revan Solo · 11-27-2004, 12:32 AM

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Because surely with all the stuff spouted by qui gon in ep I about him being amazing and stuff and that he will being balance to the force, bet he didnt think he would do this by destroying practically the whole light side of the force?

so did ankin furfil (spelt so badly i think ) the prohpecy or not? was him turning always predicited or did it just not go well?

Yes, he did! He killed the Emperor, the worsest man in the whole galaxy. And when he returned to the light, before he died, everything is alright!

**Jan Gaarni** · 11-27-2004, 03:48 AM

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Originally posted by guybroom
I think that the spoiler was right. I've heard that too. Also I mentioned KOTOR before and I'm not sure if this needs a spoiler tag or not but i'll do it anyway.
spoiler:
The czeca corp enslave the wookies on kashak (or eden as they call it). Czerca isn't the empire but it does work for the empire

It might be like that in EP 3

That happened 4000 years before the rise of the Empire though.

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Since then the wookiees obviously rose above their slave status sometime in those thousands of years (See Ep. I and I think II aswell) perating KotOR and the Galactic Civil War period.

Time of the Empire, they were back to being slave labour.

boinga1 · 11-27-2004, 03:33 PM

Did Anakin bring balance? Yes- through his death. He created an imbalance in the Force, throguh his slaughter of the Jedi. Only through his death, and the death of the Emperor, did he restore balance.

**Jan Gaarni** · 11-27-2004, 11:39 PM

The Force was already in imballance even before Anakin was born if 1 Sith can hide from the Jedi right under their noses.

Anakin balanced it again by removing the Emperor from the equation.

The unfortunate side effect was that pretty much every Jedi was eradicated aswell in the process.

Revan Solo · 12-09-2004, 05:31 AM

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Originally posted by Jan Gaarni
The Force was already in imballance even before Anakin was born if 1 Sith can hide from the Jedi right under their noses.

Anakin balanced it again by removing the Emperor from the equation.

The unfortunate side effect was that pretty much every Jedi was eradicated aswell in the process.

There are some stories in EU which tell us that the Emperor cloned his body several times after Ep. VI! I find that stupid. It makes Ep. VI senseless.

*Kurgan* · 12-09-2004, 08:31 AM

According to the EU line of thinking, "Palpatine" the entity is actually a malevolent evil "Sith Spirit" that floats around and possesses people.

And he's so powerful in the Dark Side that he "wears out" any body that he possesses in a very short time (not sure how short, but enough so that he needed a new body before ESB and he got a new one after ROTJ and already it was worn out by the time of "Dark Empire" in which this story takes place).

According to this theory the Dark Side causes "rapid aging" and wrecks havoc on bodies, which is why Palpatine looks so old and twisted. The clones need not be of his actual body (though they tend to be, since he happens to look the same in old age). He was finally killed and his spirit prevented from slipping into a new body (somehow, I don't remember exactly, some technobabble Force thing) by the end of Dark Empire II.

But with this theory in mind, "Palpatine" actually died a long time ago. We're just dealing with a nasty ghost instead!

It's an interesting theory, but it doesn't seem to bode well with the Prequels (which show him just as a really powerful Sith, with normal aging).

HOWEVER, the Episode III teaser trailer has introduced a few doubts in my mind and I'll have to see the movie to know if there are some new wrinkles introduced by Lucas (no pun intended!).

Revan Solo · 12-10-2004, 02:50 AM

Your posts are always very long! But they are good.

**Jan Gaarni** · 12-10-2004, 05:32 AM

Lead by example.

Which I am poor at right now.

guybroom · 01-01-2005, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by Kurgan
According to the EU line of thinking, "Palpatine" the entity is actually a malevolent evil "Sith Spirit" that floats around and possesses people.

And he's so powerful in the Dark Side that he "wears out" any body that he possesses in a very short time (not sure how short, but enough so that he needed a new body before ESB and he got a new one after ROTJ and already it was worn out by the time of "Dark Empire" in which this story takes place).

According to this theory the Dark Side causes "rapid aging" and wrecks havoc on bodies, which is why Palpatine looks so old and twisted. The clones need not be of his actual body (though they tend to be, since he happens to look the same in old age). He was finally killed and his spirit prevented from slipping into a new body (somehow, I don't remember exactly, some technobabble Force thing) by the end of Dark Empire II.

But with this theory in mind, "Palpatine" actually died a long time ago. We're just dealing with a nasty ghost instead!

It's an interesting theory, but it doesn't seem to bode well with the Prequels (which show him just as a really powerful Sith, with normal aging).

Like you said, the prequals don't agree with this theory about palpy. Although, was he strong as strong in the force at the begining of ep 1. I know that he worked out just about everything that would happen until the last few minutes of ep 2, but how physicly powerful was he?

pnkparasite · 01-04-2005, 01:40 PM

I Think it was really obvious that Anakin would go bad by the second movie. When he destroys the entire village of sand people out of spite and hatred.

guybroom · 01-09-2005, 01:13 AM

I think it was obvious he would go bad, from before they saw TPM for anyone who has seen the OT.

i.e. anikin skywalker was always going to turn evil. but the question was when?

Engma48 · 11-19-2005, 05:29 PM

bringing balance to the force in the theory's of the jedi means to wipe out the darkside of the force. that being said. anakin did bring balance to the force when he killed the emporer.

MachineCult · 11-19-2005, 06:27 PM

Oh my god, this is the oldest thread any noob has ever revived ever.

Anakin brought balance to the force, in his own special drawn out, turn-to-evil-first way.

The Doctor · 11-21-2005, 05:12 PM

Anakin did bring balance to the Force. Anyone who has to ask needs to watch ROTJ again. Now.
And no, this is not the oldest revived thread. I hold that record from my first days here.

Alkonium · 11-21-2005, 06:21 PM

Technically in order to bring balance to the Force, both sides must be in equilibrium. The prophecy is in fact a contradiction, unless you destroy the Jedi and the Sith.

***Jeff*** · 11-21-2005, 09:46 PM

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Technically in order to bring balance to the Force, both sides must be in equilibrium. The prophecy is in fact a contradiction, unless you destroy the Jedi and the Sith.

No, because the Dark Side is what brought the Force out of balance. It isn't the Light Side and Dark Side, it's The Force, and the Dark Side of the Force. If only the force exists than it is in balance.

Alkonium · 11-21-2005, 10:05 PM

I see, so you don't think there's a light side but there is a dark side? Well, some think there are no sides of the Force at all. Well, if there is no light side then there is no dark side, and therefore, you see Potentium.