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Old 02-20-2006, 04:14 AM   #41
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Jedi Youngling - This is the unofficial title given to the Jedi Initiates, young children taken into the Jedi fold and taught the fundamental basics of Jedi teachings. These clans are taught by different venerable Jedi Masters. Yoda had lead over the Bear Clan. They are not considered Padawans at this time.

Jedi Padawan - A Jedi Padawan is a Youngling who has come of age, or shown exceptional knowledge and skill , and is now paired with a Knight or Master to complete their training one-on-one. A Master or Knight can have only one Padawan at a time. Anakin Skywalker is a rare example of one who never studied in a Clan.

Jedi Knight - A Jedi Knight is a Padawan who has completed their one-on-one training with their mentor, and successfully passed their Jedi Trials. Upon passing their trials they are Knighted and may now take on their own Padawan for training, but this is not a requirement.

Jedi Master - This title can be achieved in different ways. The most common manner inwhich a Knight may become a Master is to have successfully trained their first Padawan to Knighthood. Upon the Padawan becoming a Knight, the mentor is then dubbed a Jedi Master. Another method is to attain the title by honorary means. This means that a Knight who has not trained a Padawan may still show a deep knowledge and understanding of the Force, or do a great deed, to the extent that the Council may find them worthy of the title. Examples of this route include Masters Atris, Saesee Tiin, Fay, Stass Allie and Depa Billaba (no padawans are ever mentioned for the last two).

Jedi Council - For the most part, it is from the pool of Jedi Masters that the Jedi Council members are chosen. The High Council is composed of 5 lifetime members, 4 long-term members, and 3 short-term members. It should be noted that to be a Master does not mean one is, or required to be, an Council member. Or vice versa. Though Masters are normally chosen to sit on this body, it is not uncommon for a Knight to have a place. Notable Knights to have had seats on the High Coucil are Ki-Adi-Mundi, Stass Allie, and Anakin Skywalker (the first two evetually attained the rank of master).

** It is also of worthy note to comment that desperate times call for desperate measures. There are instances in the history of the Jedi Order where rules and regulations have been overlooked for many different circumstances. But these rare measures are not to be taken as the norm, as they are sometimes done without even the entire council's approval. **

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On topic now; yes, Dooku was Yoda's Padawan in the "one-on-one" sense. Just as Depa was Mace's Padawan, Qui-Gon was Dooku's and Anakin was Obi-Wan's.

But yes, it is possible that Dooku may have been in the Bear Clan and trained under Yoda in that sense as well.

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Old 02-20-2006, 12:37 PM   #42
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I was reading the Star Wars Wiki, and it does indicate that Dooku was NOT Yoda's padawan learner, but studied under Yoda's direct teachings until a Jedi Master named Thame Cerulian took him as a Padawan.

Is there any truth to this claim?



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Old 02-20-2006, 01:44 PM   #43
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Dooku was also apprenticed under Dath Sidious, but does that mean he never had any Jedi masters? No. Every bit of Star Wars literature, outside of the only two inwhich Thame Cerulian appears, points to Dooku being Yoda's Padawan at some point; especially Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. Not to mention Episode II where Yoda sais, "Fought well you have, my old Padawan." Yoda does not consider every Youngling he has ever trained to be Padawans, because they are not. A padawan is a one-on-one apprentice to a Master, and Yoda would never have addressed Dooku in this way unless he had - in fact - be his own padawan at one time or another.

Also, it is not uncommon for a Jedi to have many masters throughout their career as a Jedi Padawan. Revan comes to mind as being the greatest example of this. However, the facts tend to point in the direction that Dooku had been the Padawan learner of both, during different times, before he became a Jedi Knight.

Also, this might help...

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Old 02-20-2006, 05:02 PM   #44
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If it's canon then that proves it.



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Old 02-22-2006, 12:28 PM   #45
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From the NEC

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Count dooku, heir to the aristocracy of Serenno,became a ward of teh jedi at a very early age and spent years training with Yoda in the jedi temple on Coruscant in 89 b.b.y At the age of thirteen,Dooku was chosen as the Padawan of master Thame Cerullian.
So like all jedi until they are picked to be a padawan he was taught by Yoda.


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Old 03-29-2006, 08:16 PM   #46
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In AOTC, Yoda refers to Dooku as "My old padawan". Did he just mean this because he was a student at the temple, or did he take him on as an apprentice?
Yes according to the databank he was
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Count Dooku, one of Yoda's former Padawans, was consolidating a military force out of the droid armies of the commerce guilds.













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Old 04-16-2006, 08:28 PM   #47
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Maybe the line was just an attempt to clean up the mess that was made in ep. 1. You know, the one where Ben Kenobi says Yoda trained him when Ep. 1 reveals that it was Qui-Gon. This line indicates that loads of trained Jedi Knights refer to Yoda as their trainer most likely because of the Youngling camp thing.
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Old 04-17-2006, 08:08 AM   #48
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Yes but they don't Dooku didn't refer to Yoda as his trainer, Yoda called Dooku his Padawan, the two are very different, a Padawan is much more specific.
A Padawan is an Apprentice, a Youngling is a Youngling. The meaning of Yodas statement is inarguable.



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Old 04-17-2006, 03:19 PM   #49
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Maybe the line was just an attempt to clean up the mess that was made in ep. 1. You know, the one where Ben Kenobi says Yoda trained him when Ep. 1 reveals that it was Qui-Gon.
This isn't a mess up though, for the reason you stated below. Yoda did train Kenobi in the basic skills. So Kenobi was correct in ESB. He was also the Padawan of Jinn after that.

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This line indicates that loads of trained Jedi Knights refer to Yoda as their trainer most likely because of the Youngling camp thing.
Correct.

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Old 08-22-2006, 03:21 PM   #50
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according to Star Wars: The new essetial chronology, "Dooku became a ward of the Jedi at a very early age and spent years training with Yoda in the jedi Temple on Coruscant. In 89 B.B.Y., at the age of thirteen, Dooku was choosen as the padawan of master Thame Cerulian."
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Old 08-23-2006, 04:09 PM   #51
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There is a comic series on younger Dooku, I wish I know its name.
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Old 09-21-2006, 07:36 PM   #52
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i thought that dooku was Qui Gons apperintic but he may very be Yodas apperintic
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Old 09-22-2006, 04:25 PM   #53
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i thought that dooku was Qui Gons apperintic but he may very be Yodas apperintic
We KNOW that Qui Gon did not train Dooku.

Well, to be fair, it is possable that sometimes a Padawan would be assigned/re-assigned to a different master, and vice versa, due to "special events"

During desperate times even a masterless Padawan may be considered for trial and Knighthood without continued training of a master, whilst most of the time they will train with/by themselves until a new master is assigned.

Younglings that are weak, though, are usually condamned to the eternal service of being a stinky farmer.
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Old 09-22-2006, 04:33 PM   #54
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i thought that dooku was Qui Gons apperintic but he may very be Yodas apperintic
If IIRC it was the other way around. Qui-Gon was Dooku's apprentice.


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