OT DVD ghost scene

Zerosaber · 10-25-2004, 05:06 PM

Are you guys satisfied that they replaced Shaw with Hayden in the last gohst scene in ROTJ? I sure am not.

Shok_Tinoktin · 10-25-2004, 06:09 PM

For now, I like the mature Anakin as he was (or could have been) at the end of his life. However, after ROTS that may change (its supposed to anyway).

*El Sitherino* · 10-25-2004, 06:34 PM

oh god, not again. ;_; this will get ugly as all hell.

*ET Warrior* · 10-25-2004, 08:10 PM

I'm with Sith, bad things happen in these debates. Suffice to say, Hayden smells funni

*El Sitherino* · 10-25-2004, 08:44 PM

but he looks delicious ;_;

Rogue15 · 10-25-2004, 09:10 PM

yeah it's better that hayden's in.

*ET Warrior* · 10-25-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally posted by Rogue15
yeah it's better that hayden's in.

Must......resist....urge.....to.........reply....

*blood vessels in brain explode*

Kain · 10-25-2004, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by ET Warrior
Must......resist....urge.....to.........reply....

*blood vessels in brain explode*

I'm with you...except the anurism part. I'll just take my leave.

***Lynk Former*** · 10-25-2004, 11:22 PM

What's so wrong with Hayden jeez.

**Jan Gaarni** · 10-26-2004, 01:18 AM

He's not Sebastian Shaw.

There better be a damn good explaination in Ep. III to make me like that change.

***Lynk Former*** · 10-26-2004, 01:26 AM

XD And what if it doesn't? You're all gonna whine till your throats are hurt and complain on the internet till your fingers bleed and your keyboard no longer works because of all the blood?

Shok_Tinoktin · 10-26-2004, 01:28 AM

Yeah, most likely. Propably gonna happen too, IMO. But I'll at least wait and see.

*Sivy* · 10-26-2004, 02:14 AM

i'm not to keen on the hayden ghost. i just hope its explained well in ep III, and then everyone will go... 'oh right, that makes sense actually'

Shok_Tinoktin · 10-26-2004, 02:42 AM

I hope so too, but I fear that it wil not be. And I doubt there will be an explanation that will satisfy everyone. I'm sure there will be plenty of people still complaining afterwards. I just hope that I am not one of them.

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-26-2004, 08:06 AM

must...have...shaw...back...[gasp]

need...good...reason

otherwise....not...satisfy...anger...and...hate[gasp]

[force lightning]oww[/force lightning]

**Prime** · 10-26-2004, 08:59 AM

Can we please stop beating this dead horse?

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-26-2004, 10:18 AM

I don't think this qualifies as a dead horse

*ET Warrior* · 10-27-2004, 07:40 AM

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Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch
I don't think this qualifies as a dead horse

Yes. Yes it does.

Zerosaber · 10-27-2004, 07:46 AM

The reason I prefer Shaw is because he looked much kinder as Anakin. When he smiles back at Luke it feels more loving. Like the "I'm proud of you son' type thing. When Hayden is in it it he's smile doesen't look kinde and he doesen't look much kinder either. When he smiles back Luke he look like I'm gonna get you Luke or I'm gonna haunt you for the rest of you life type thing. And those of you who have the DVD for OT of Star wars one of the documentries geroge Lucas says this why he puts Hayden in as Anakin instead of Shaw. He what he says 'The reason why I replaced Shaw is because when Anakin dies he doesen't know how to project himself as a ghost so Obi-wan and Yoda project an image of Anakin they last saw him as for Luke' for those of you who want an explanation. To me I don't think is good enough. You would think that Obi-wan and Yoda could see his 'present' form in the afterlife but I guess not.

***Boba Rhett*** · 10-27-2004, 07:51 AM

I prefer Shaw. However....

Lucas isn't done yet, my friends!

*runs away giggling with ps clasped to his chest*

Lieutenant_kettch · 10-27-2004, 08:38 AM

you know, if they were gonna put hayden in as anakin, they should have put mcgregor in as obi1 and either frank oz or a wookiee in as yoda.... then it would have been cool

Shok_Tinoktin · 10-27-2004, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by Zerosaber
And those of you who have the DVD for OT of Star wars one of the documentries geroge Lucas says this why he puts Hayden in as Anakin instead of Shaw. He what he says 'The reason why I replaced Shaw is because when Anakin dies he doesen't know how to project himself as a ghost so Obi-wan and Yoda project an image of Anakin they last saw him as for Luke' for those of you who want an explanation.

the other problem with that explaination, is why would Anakin not know how to project himself as a ghost, but Obi-Wan and Yoda do? And which documentary is this in?

*Kurgan* · 10-27-2004, 11:36 AM

Return of the Jedi, during the Vader funeral pyre scene.

Well, on the bright side, the Shaw ghost shot IS on the 4th DVD (along with Fett's old voice), so fans can always look back at the proper moment if they wish. Somebody just needs to cut together a "Star Wars Trilogy: Fanboy Edition" from the various clips available of the old scenes.

Not all the old scenes are in the various trailors and documentaries, etc. but many are. I noticed also that on the prequel discs you get old scenes from the OT too (like much of the old Vader/Obi-Wan duel on the TPM disc).

I won't get into another argument about the changes to the films, but suffice to say, it would have been nice to do an easy side-by-side comparison on the same set.

Zerosaber · 10-27-2004, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin
the other problem with that explaination, is why would Anakin not know how to project himself as a ghost, but Obi-Wan and Yoda do? And which documentary is this in?

The answer to the first one is I don't know and there better be a good explanation in Episode 3 but I fear that it will not be explained cause I think it's going to alter Ep 4 and 5. Ep 1 and 2 had a good story but the way Lucas directed it I thought was really lousy and that's why I think most people don't like Ep 1 and 2 as much as the OT. And the answer to the second question is I forgot but try looking at the ROTJ documentary.

Shok_Tinoktin · 10-27-2004, 06:27 PM

Is it in a documentary, or the audio commentary?

*Kurgan* · 10-30-2004, 05:46 AM

ROTJ Audio Commentary, George Lucas Speaking, during the Vader funeral pyre scene.

Unfortunately, Lucas's statements are vague enough that they could be interpreted a few different ways.

He just says that Anakin found out how to retain his identity, like Yoda and Obi-Wan knew how, so he appeared how he was when he died, as Anakin Skywalker.

Well, wasn't he "Anakin Skywalker" when he killed the Emperor, and said his goodbyes and made peace with Luke and "your sister"?

Some say, well this is logical, because he was still on the "Good Side" when his body was damaged before he needed the suit (since the last time we'll see him without a mask as a member of the Jedi is in Episode III).

However, isn't the fall to the Dark Side the issue, not his injuries? After all, he committed a heinous act of mass murder against the Sandpeople in AOTC. Plus at the end of the movie he got his arm chopped off by Dooku and needed a cybernetic replacement.

Yet, when he's shown as a ghost, he has the same makeup and haircut like we've seen in the publicity shots for Episode III (sorry, but even I got spoiled for that one). Shoulder length long hair (rather than that goofy Padawan braid and short hair), somber expression, etc.

He's 20 something Anakin instead of 40 something Anakin he should be.

In the AOTC commentary in the scene right after the Tusken massacre, we hear Qui Gon's voice and Lucas on the Audio commentary in that scene (with Mace and Yoda) he mentions the "retaining your identity after death" thing again, but why doesn't he mention Qui Gon in the OT commentary? He gives the impression that only Obi-Wan and Yoda knew how to do it and that's how Anakin learned. But if Qui Gon did it first....?

I listened to the TPM commentary straight through (never had done that before) and in it Lucas says that TPM takes place some 30 years before A New Hope, so that's where that data comes from).

Of course Lucas could always change his mind about the stuff he says on the commentary, just that he'll have no more excuses that it was some interviewer misquoting him or fans not remembering. ; )

Zerosaber · 10-30-2004, 11:19 AM

What he said.

Kain · 10-30-2004, 12:23 PM

Wow...I hate George Lucas.

Zerosaber · 10-30-2004, 03:44 PM

Don't we all?

***Lynk Former*** · 10-30-2004, 06:55 PM

XD Dramaqueens

*El Sitherino* · 10-30-2004, 10:06 PM

you people expect too much out of a man, don't like it, fine don't watch. Just get over it and stop hassling. Noone is forcing you to watch the DVD's.

Zerosaber · 10-31-2004, 05:33 AM

Insanesith we're not mad at Lucas we just wish that Shaw was back.

*El Sitherino* · 11-01-2004, 12:13 AM

Then watch your freaking VHS or edit the DVD yourself. -_-

***Lynk Former*** · 11-01-2004, 01:09 AM

I would like to place this quote...

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Originally posted by Zerosaber
Insanesith we're not mad at Lucas we just wish that Shaw was back.

above this quote...

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Originally posted by Kain
Wow...I hate George Lucas.

^^

Kain · 11-01-2004, 07:29 AM

Somebody doesn't read the entire threeeeeeeead...

*Kurgan* · 11-01-2004, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by InsaneSith
you people expect too much out of a man, don't like it, fine don't watch. Just get over it and stop hassling. Noone is forcing you to watch the DVD's.

The idea is if we hassle enough, maybe he'll start to give the fans what they're asking for.

After all, he changed his mind and released TPM & AOTC on DVD and now the OT when before he said no Star Wars DVD's until Episode III is finished).

Originally the "Special Edition of the Special Editions" of the Star Wars films were dismissed by LucasFilm as simply rumors, but turned out to be reality. This in response to fan criticism of some of the shoddiness of the Special Edition changes and stuff that was missed? You decide.

Plus, it's NOT too much to expect from the man to release the original movies that made him so rich, famous and powerful. He has the resources to do it, and it would only make him richer and better appreciated still.

And it's all well and good to say "don't watch it." But if we want the original films on DVD, our only choice is a bootleg, currently. He's not giving the fans what they want. VHS just doesn't cut it quality-wise and degrades with each viewing.

When Lowry Digital restored the trilogy, they made a "digital master" of the Original Films that is cleaned up and ready for any future transfers (including High Def formats). So the excuse that the originals "don't exist anymore" or that it would take "millions of dollars" (more) to release the originals is a bit hard to swallow.

Sure it would cost money to encode and press the discs, print the boxes and ship them to stores. But it's not like he has to restore the films AGAIN to get the originals out, since they already did the work with the restoration they did for the 2004 edition set. It's already done!

As to editing the DVD's, yes, that's now possible and I hope people start taking advantage of that. Of course these would just be fan edits that would be illegal (I'm assuming) to distribute to the public, but that's the best we can do until Lucas comes to his senses again.

No offense intended of course, just respectfully saying why I disagree. ; )

Lieutenant_kettch · 11-01-2004, 08:48 AM

wow, i hate it too when people don't read the entire thread... it's a good thing no one here hates GL...

shaw...need shaw... kill hayden... shaw=ewok song

*Kurgan* · 11-01-2004, 08:53 AM

People shouldn't feel so bad, I do it too sometimes.

At the minimum, if a thread is super duper long and I don't have time to read the whole thing, I'll just read the initial post and reply to that one.

There's nothing really wrong with that per se, especially if it's a multi-pager that goes off topic or hasn't had a meaningful contribution in awhile. Just saying. ; )

Lieutenant_kettch · 11-01-2004, 08:54 AM

yeah, i hate reading the massive threads too, so i read the first couple pages, and the last couple, to get the gist of it

*El Sitherino* · 11-01-2004, 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Kurgan
No offense intended of course, just respectfully saying why I disagree. ; )

I get what you're saying, but I'm tired of hearing all the negativity, and hatred. How do you even know EVERY DECISION was made by lucas? the guy hires marketers and fund analysts for a reason. My point is not everything is lucas' fault, and it seems kind of stupid to say you hate him, and then ask from him.

(you in the general sense, not directional)