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Old 11-03-2004, 02:34 PM   #41
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I don't really hate George Lucas it just bugs me alot that Shaw isn't back that's all.
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Old 11-06-2004, 04:25 PM   #42
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Definately Sebastian Shaw....Hayden just seems unnatural in that scene. BUT with Anakins both hands and legs chopped off, he couldn't come "back to life" as a normal Jedi looking like Sebastian Shaw. So he comes back in the form that he was before he fell into the
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Old 11-06-2004, 06:49 PM   #43
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Sebastian Shaw, besides I belive Anakin never truly turned to the dark side of the force. Like luke said " I still feel good in him "
And when he died he was then back to normal and a good guy, old Anakin, not young so he should have been an old Anakin as a ghost, not young.
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Old 11-08-2004, 01:15 AM   #44
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Collectors Edition without digital mastered changes and recent DVD set changes, here we come.

Personally, I prefer Shaw. What I would have liked to happen is maybe a flash of Hayden being shown or something similar. I'm thankful I have the remastered versions on VHS.
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Old 11-08-2004, 06:24 PM   #45
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Old 12-15-2004, 05:49 AM   #46
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What I would have liked to happen is maybe a flash of Hayden being shown or something similar.
If Lucas insisted on editing Hayden in some way I agree that's the way it should have been done.

Otherwise, I voted for Shaw.



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Old 12-15-2004, 06:07 AM   #47
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i believe Shaw makes more sense storyline wise - after overcoming the dark side and earning his redemption why would Anakin then revert to the young man vulnerable to the dark side that he was, rather than the redeemed man he had become

edit: in the end i think this particular change has a little bit of "because we can" about it



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Old 12-15-2004, 06:33 AM   #48
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i believe Shaw makes more sense storyline wise - after overcoming the dark side and earning his redemption why would Anakin then revert to the young man vulnerable to the dark side that he was, rather than the redeemed man he had become.
Perhaps because the Shaw version is "more machine now than man" just not quite so twisted and evil.

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Old 12-15-2004, 07:35 AM   #49
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Perhaps because the Shaw version is "more machine now than man" just not quite so twisted and evil.
precisely. Sure he was redeemed, but he was still more machine than man, if I were anakin I would cling to my more human side too. I think lucas made shaw the ghost originally only because he needed to, to make it all seem complete, why wouldn't he use a younger person as anakins ghost if he was going to do that anyway? Because he didn't want it to seem out of place would be my guess, you know if you have someone playing young anakin in the 80's then when making the prequels it's someone totally different, it kinda.... seems weird. I personally don't care who's the ghost, it changes nothing of the story itself.


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Old 12-15-2004, 08:28 AM   #50
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I'm sorry, neither of those explaination is good enough for me.
They're rather weak.

More machine than man. Hmph.

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Old 12-15-2004, 09:48 AM   #51
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Human side is not dictated by how you look. It's how you think and act.
... so what if we made a robot that did everything exactly like a human, think, act, feel. But still looked like a robot, is it human?


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Old 12-15-2004, 09:49 AM   #52
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More machine than man. Hmph.
socrates himself does tremble at that mighty logic, as Spider AL might say

well Shaw as a ghost wasnt machine, since its all symbolic it would seem to indicate he was finally free of being Vader, so i still say it makes no sense for him to present himself as the young man who fell to the dark side rather than the redeemed man



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Old 12-15-2004, 09:50 AM   #53
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It makes it Artoo-Detoo... he's more human than human *nods*

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Old 12-15-2004, 11:28 AM   #54
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Speaking of machine/ man it doesen't really make any sense because before Anakin turns to Darth Vader he's part machine already he lost his arm?
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Old 12-24-2004, 08:58 AM   #55
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It`s an insult to the memory of Sebastian Shaw, GL should be ashamed of himself


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Old 12-27-2004, 06:32 AM   #56
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He probably knows alll this and I bet you that he'll put Shaw back in the Star Wars Saga DVD set that will come with all 6 movies. I hate the fact now that once I hit the ghost scene on DVD that I have to switch to the VHS one.
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Old 12-27-2004, 09:55 AM   #57
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or you all can stop being such whiny babies and make your own dvd set.


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Old 12-27-2004, 10:26 AM   #58
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Honestly, it's not THAT bad that you have to switch from DVD to VHS to see Sebastian Shaw. Good lord.

Although I'd prefer Shaw, it's not life threatening enough to switch between dvd and vhs just to see Shaw as a ghost.


On another note, this is why I like LotR: I know Peter Jackson won't change The Two Towers so that the Uruks shoot first at Helm's Deep instead of the old guy




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Old 01-04-2005, 02:18 PM   #59
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The only thing that matters to me is that there is going to be a third movie. I actually have never seen Sebastian(sp?) Shaw so it doesn't matter to me who plays the role. Must be cool to be in a star wars movie
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Old 02-01-2005, 06:05 PM   #60
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Well, I for one like it. True, the OT is something you fiddle with with very carefully, but it looks very cool to see that version of Anakin in ROTJ. IMO of course.


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Old 02-02-2005, 11:32 PM   #61
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or you all can stop being such whiny babies and make your own dvd set.


I`m sure your view would change if GL decided to replace the Sir Alec ghost scenes with Ewan.


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Old 02-03-2005, 01:03 AM   #62
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I`m sure your view would change if GL decided to replace the Sir Alec ghost scenes with Ewan.
I'm not gonna cry about it that's for sure XD

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Old 02-04-2005, 05:50 AM   #63
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...but Obi-Wan and Yoda do? And which documentary is this in?
Lucas also refers to this issue briefly during the commentary for ESB, somehere on Dagobah(I cant rememeber exactly)

I am well used to the Hayden Ghost now. It adds to the overall continuity of the 6 films as well....

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Old 02-20-2005, 06:37 PM   #64
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Whoa...

*embarrasing moment*

Coming from someone who didn't care about the DVDs... what else did they change? I planned to buy them one day because I thought they only added the deleted scenes (not to mention quality).
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Old 02-20-2005, 10:19 PM   #65
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Whoa...

*embarrasing moment*

Coming from someone who didn't care about the DVDs... what else did they change? I planned to buy them one day because I thought they only added the deleted scenes (not to mention quality).
Check this thread for an extensive list of changes made to the DVD box set. It's a sticky at the top of the forum.

also check these articles out, they are very complete :
http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?...star+wars&c=28
http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?...star+wars&c=29
http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?...wars&c=7867673

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Old 02-21-2005, 03:23 AM   #66
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I`m sure your view would change if GL decided to replace the Sir Alec ghost scenes with Ewan.
If he did that I'd just make my own dvd set instead of whining, I'd probably watch both versions though, mine and the one where they replaced Alec.


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Old 03-07-2005, 04:18 AM   #67
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hmmm...this debate still raging ?? I think everyone who has listened to GLs commentaries will know that we just have to wait til May to hear the full story, and then everyone can come back here and whine about how GL is teh suXXrZ for raping your childhood memories

Shaw is dead. He dont care no more. Its part of an actors life to know some of their performance can be cut or altered. It happens in film *all the damn time* And Shaw is still in there in the most important bit(the unmasking).... so I dont see the fuss



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Old 03-07-2005, 06:50 AM   #68
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And Shaw is still in there in the most important bit(the unmasking).... so I dont see the fuss



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That is of course, until all the actors in the prequels have aged 50 odd years and the OT is remade with Ewan and Hayden.

*opens up a can of worms*



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Old 09-08-2005, 06:28 PM   #69
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I don't know why, but i'm starting to like Hayden Christensen as Anakin-ghost.
I guess it kinda fits cause' that's what he looked like before he turned to the darkside. :|

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Old 09-10-2005, 01:34 PM   #70
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So when exactly did he turn to the Dark Side? That's my question...


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Old 09-10-2005, 01:50 PM   #71
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I feel that it is a tricky question...
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Old 09-10-2005, 02:07 PM   #72
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My guess is when he kneeled before Palpatine...

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Old 09-10-2005, 07:59 PM   #73
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My guess is when he kneeled before Palpatine...
Before that.
He made his decision when he was in the Tower looking across to Padme.


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Old 09-12-2005, 12:09 PM   #74
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Most likely it was in Ep 3 at some point. Thus the Force ghost is accurate in that it appears to be the Ep 3 Anakin...

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Old 09-12-2005, 07:46 PM   #75
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Yeah, I guess it was just sort of a gradual thing, starting at the tower and ending at the temple. Or after Mustafar, either way. In any case, any trace of doubt faded after Mustafar, sealing in all the hate.

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Old 09-14-2005, 12:31 PM   #76
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I just think it makes more sense to have the older anakin as he was when Luke saw him. Besides Hayden was a lousy actor. do we really need him in ROTJ?
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I think the guy can SMILE convincingly TheExileReturns.
It makes sense having Hayden, they have Yoda as he died, Obi-wan as he died and Anakin as he "Died", as Obi-wan said he ceased to be Anakin Skywalker.
The older man is Darth Vaders body, not Anakins.



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I think the guy can SMILE convincingly TheExileReturns.
It makes sense having Hayden, they have Yoda as he died, Obi-wan as he died and Anakin as he "Died", as Obi-wan said he ceased to be Anakin Skywalker.
The older man is Darth Vaders body, not Anakins.
But "Darth Vaders body" returned to the light side right before he died, thus negating that theory. It's a bad, bad change to make and the arguments against definetly carry more weight than for, but unforgivable? Not really.



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Eh, it really can work either way. Mostly just relies on what you personally believe.

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I think that Vadar returned to Anakin before he died and therefore should be Shaw. However I do agree that perhaps you revert to a younger form and would have no problem with HC if Ewan was plugged in as well.
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