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Old 11-04-2004, 11:59 AM   #1
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So what do we know about KOTOR 2? The Characters [SPOILERS]

I've been lurking in these parts for some time, so I decided to finally say something, even if it's a really long something. Hey, I've always said if you're going to make a first post somewhere, make it a good one.


Okay, so we're a month away from KOTOR 2's release on the X-Box, less than a few from the PC model, and right now there's a lot of info out there. I'd thought I could summarize, for the benefit of everyone, what we knew about the characters of KOTOR 2. Again, note that this will contain spoilers both for KOTOR 2 and KOTOR 1.

11-05-04 - Updated Visas Marr and Handmaiden

11-07-04 - Updated Mission Vao and added potential bombshell revelation from the UK's OXM magazine.

11-09-04 - Added more OXM spoilers for Darth Nihilis, Darth Sion, Kreia, and Sith Lord #3.

11-18-04 - Seperated HK-50 and HK-47. Updated Revan with info from Atton's conversation screens.



New and Confirmed Characters in KOTOR 2:


The Exile - Essentially, he or she is you. Your character this time around starts off as a Jedi, albeit a junior and weakened one thanks to whatever circumstances brought you to Peragus Station aboard the Ebon Hawk. According to Obsidian dev Akari, the PC is referred to as the Exile verbally by other characters. During the Mandalorian Wars, the Exile joined with Revan and Malak to fight the marauding band of warriors against the orders of the Jedi Council and was cast out, which explains why the Exile sat out the events of the Jedi Civil War. However, the Exile (and you, naturally) does have some knowledge of those events, since he or she will be questioned about the events of that time. The Sith clearly know of the existence of the Exile, perhaps the last Jedi threat to them, and are relentlessly pursuing him or her.

Atris - You've all seen her, she's the hauntingly pretty cover girl for the game, seen either as face-on portrait or dueling a Sith Lord with a blue-colored lightsaber, implying she's a Jedi Guardian, at least in RPG class terms. Although she is the public face of the game, she is also one of the two characters we know the least about. There are rumors that since the game will center Onderon, a world prominent in the Tales of the Jedi comics series, that she is tied to that planet, possibly its queen (which could explain the handmaiden). According to recently leaked info, she does play an important role in KOTOR 2, but is not, repeat not, a party member. However, it has been widely speculated that she is a potential love interest for male PCs, but that's only a speculation, likely based on the relationship between the male Revan and Bastila in the first KOTOR.

Darth Nihilis/Nihlus - The dark Yang to Atris' Yin, his masked face is perhaps one of the most ubiqitous images in KOTOR 2's marketing, from the box to wallpapers to avatars. One of the early concept artworks depicted him dueling with Atris, implying that such a meeting could happen in the game, assuming that the picture was literal rather than figurative. Other than that, including his true name, is up in the air at this point, however OXM magazine recently gave his name spelled as Darth Nihlus, so the general form of his name could be considered confirmed at this point.

Darth Sion - One of the few characters that we do know a lot about, Sion is essentially like Darth Vader without the suit. His body is scarred and totally in pain. According to OXM magazine, it's practically on the verge of crumbling, being only held together by the dark side of the Force. OXM also reveals that he can contort his shape to avoid attacks, almost as if he was like the T-1000 from the second Terminator movie. Sion leads an order of Sith assassins, bent on hunting down and destroying the last of the Jedi, including the Exile. Screenshots have shown him dueling with the Exile on the wreck of a Republic warship. His relation to Darth Nihilis, as in which one is the master and which is the apprentice, isn't known fully. His voice is currently featured at the official site.

Kreia - Another character that we know much about, however by nature is mysterious, both to us and to the Exile. She possesses a telepathic bond with the Exile, which helps her to train him/her to reconnect with the Force over the course of the game. The official site states that she will "teach the player new ways to listen to the Force, permitting him to gain new powers and abilities." Additionally, the site states that she may sacrifice herself if she thinks it would help the Exile in his/her journey, perhaps setting up a situation similar to Obi-Wan's demise in Episode IV. As a party member, she has two special abilities (number stated by the devs at one point). The official site states that the first is her ability to "Force Chain," where any power cast by the Exile on her is applied to the whole party. Her second is that she gives experience bonuses during battle to each of the party members; a percentage increase over normal. According to one magazine article, Kreia's padawan was none other than Darth Sion. OXM revealed for the first time anywhere that Kreia is blind, potentially seeing through the Force. Artwork of her shows her normally wielding a green-bladed lightsaber (both single and dual-bladed), implying that she is a Jedi Consular, at least in terms of class. Her voice is featured at the official site.

Mira - The first party member to be explained in any depth, she was also featured in the tech demo showed at E3. She is a bounty hunter, equipped with a Fett-like wrist launcher, but had been seen weilding standard weapons. According to Akari, one of her special abilities is called "Point Guard," that she can see land mines better than anyone and won't set any off if she steps within their bubble of sensitivity. In fact, if she is selected to lead a party, the rest of the group won't set them off, either. There is a possibility that she is a love interest for male incarnations of the Exile, but that hasn't been confirmed.

Atton Rand - The first party member you'll encounter in KOTOR 2, the Exile will find him in prison on Peragus Station. Essentially an homage to Han Solo, he is a pilot, card-player, scoundrel ("You'd like him."). One of special abilities is that if he is knocked down and if there are other party members still standing, he'll get back up and keep fighting. His other ability is that he can resist attacks that stun, paralyze, and poison, but it is unknown whether or not that includes Force attacks that cause those effects. It is believed that he is a potential love interest for female Exiles, given his character's commonality with Han Solo. Atton will be the one to question the Exile as to what happened during KOTOR 1 and those answers will dictate how the story of KOTOR 2 unfolds. When talking with him, the player can state if Revan was male or female and if Revan became a Jedi or returned to being a Sith lord. According to the banner on the official site, it appears possible that Atton will follow the Exile towards the path of the Jedi or fall to the dark side, since his visage alters depending on how the visitor answers the pop-up questions.

Bao Dur - A newer party member that we're learning more and more about. He is a Zabrak, the same species of future Sith apprentice Darth Maul and has a robotic arm. According to Akari, one of his special abilities is to smash through force-fields with his arm. The other is a special droid "pet," which looks like the training remote from Episode IV. This droid can attack enemies and repair friendly droids. Bao Dur's class isn't known, but Akari is quoted as saying that it is a new one to KOTOR. Like Atton Rand, he can be corrupted or redeemed by the actions of the Exile.

Mandalore - Another newer party member, who has been seen before in screenshots but wasn't named until the official site unveiled their line of instant message icons. According to Akari, this person is the Mandalore, but that is a slight misnomer. Mandalore is more of a title than a name, passed on to the next greatest warrior in the Mandalorian clans after the previous one is killed. One died in the Tales of the Jedi series and Darth Revan slew one during the Mandalorian Wars. Other than what we can guess about this particular Mandalore, we know very little. It is rumored that Mandalore is really Canderous Ordo from KOTOR 1, but that's a very wild rumor.

HK-50 - Whispered about in article and rumor since time in memoriam, it wasn't until a very recent article on IGN that the existence of this character was finally confirmed. Visually, he appears to be a gray-skinned version of HK-47. It is unknown just how he is related to his red-hued predecessor, but since HK-47 was constructed by Darth Revan, it is possible that HK-50 is a new unit of the same design, although if a morbid sense of humor is standard to the HK series is unknown. HK-50 can be found on Peragus Station early on. According to one screen, HK-50 was being transported by the Republic and was being difficult to handle. He later refers to the Exile as "master," but whether or not the Exile had him in his/her possession before the game started is anyone's guess, or even if he is in the party at all.

Visas Marr - The last of the named party members, information on her has been coming out rather quickly. The first clue as to her existence came in an issue of Entertainment Weekly, which stated that actress Kelly Hu from such films as "X2: X-Men United" and "The Scorpion King" was supplying Visas' voice. She appears to be Force-capable, since in she wields a lightsaber in some screenshots. According to some speculation, she is a member of the secret Sith sect known as the Krath, a reference to the Tales of the Jedi comics, which makes sense since Onderon and Dxun plays a role in KOTOR 2. According to Chris Avellone, a developer from Obsidian Entertainment, Visas cannot be in the same party as the character known as the "handmaiden," giving us our first case of alignment exclusion with party members. It's a logical conclusion that she'll only join with dark side Exiles. It's also possible that she'll be an opponent to light side Exiles. It's possible that Visas can be trained in the ways of the dark side by the player, given that apprentices play a role in KOTOR 2. She could also be a potential love interest for male Exiles, given that she is voiced by a semi-well-known actress and because she's a female. There had been speculation that she could be the third Sith Lord (shouldn't it be Sith Lady?), but that's dwindling thanks to revelations from OXM magazine.

Handmaiden (Real name unknown, if she has one) - One of the most ambiguous party members, it turns out we've seen her in screenshots since some of the very early ones, however since she had white hair and was wielding a lightsaber with a blue blade it was assumed that she was Atris. It wasn't until the official site was re-launched with AIM icons available for download did we learn at least a temporary moniker for this character. The term "handmaiden" seems derived from the prequel trilogy, and it is likely that this handmaiden fulfills the same role as the ones who follow Padme Amidala. Since Onderon, one of the worlds in KOTOR 2, has a monarchy, she could be in the service of that world's queen. Or, as in the case of Episode I, she could in fact be the queen (potentially even Atris) traveling in disguise. As mentioned above, she cannot be in the same party with Visas Marr, suggesting that she can only accompany a light side Exile. It also appears that she could be an apprentice that the Exile could instruct in the Force, given that she has been seen wielding a variety of lightsabers in many screenshots. There's also a similar possibility that she could be a romantic interest for male versions of the Exile, especially if the handmaiden is in fact Atris.

Disciple (Real name unknown, if he has one) - Like the handmaiden, this character is shrowded in mystery. He debuted in the banner on the new official site and was given the vague designation of "Disciple" by his AIM icon. However, it seems very clear now that he is an apprentice that the Exile will train as Kreia trained him/her, since he wears a Jedi/Sith robe and since, when pressed about the disciple, Akari admitted that there were apprentices (note the plural form). The disciple natually will follow the Exile's path towards the light side or the dark side of the Force. However, there is the potential that the disciple could turn on his master, just as Anakin Skywalker turned on Obi-Wan Kenobi. He could also be a love interest for the female Exile, which could be very interesting given the teacher-student dynamic between them.



Returning and Rumored Characters in KOTOR 2:


T3-M4 - The only confirmed charater from KOTOR 1 that will join your party, the Exile will find him on the Ebon Hawk and will likely need him to repair the battle damage to the ship. It is unlikely that T3 will retain any of the levels and experience gained during KOTOR 1, but since he's a droid, it's rather easy to have his memory erased. The devs have stated the desire to give him something more to do in this game than last time.

HK-47- Perhaps the most popular characters in KOTOR 1, fans have been demanding for a return of their favorite wise-cracking assassin droid. Given that the devs feel that the dynamic between T3 and HK is similar to R2-D2 and C-3P0, a return is possible. However, that is complicated by the fact that there is another, gray-chassised droid named HK-50 that the Exile will find. Given that there are rumors, mainly from OXM, that all the original party members save T3 are now dead, It is likely 50 is 47's replacement.

Darth Revan - The player character of KOTOR 1, the devs have promised that discovering Revan's fate will be a key plot point in KOTOR 2. As mentioned above, the Exile's answers to Atton Rand's questions early on will determine Revan's gender and alignment. Whether or not Revan returned to the Jedi Order or reclaimed the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith, he/she took the Ebon Hawk to Korriban for one reason or the other a year after KOTOR 1. A dark side Revan reportedly went to Korriban to re-unify the Sith to oppose the Republic. A light side Revan apparently saved the Jedi and went to Korriban for another reason. Either way, he/she vanished after leaving Korriban for the Unknown Regions. Revan's disappearance through the galaxy into chaos, enabling Darth Nihilis and Darth Sion to take control of the Sith and press onward, destroying the Jedi. A cameo by Revan is possible, but problematic. For starters, other than a few sentences uttered here and there, Revan had no spoken dialogue during KOTOR 1, Bioware deciding to let the player mentally insert his or her own voice into the game to increase the immersion factor. A simple solution to that is to use the pair of voices that did those few words in KOTOR 1 to supply full dialogue in KOTOR 2. A second and bigger problem is what to do about Revan's face. Players in KOTOR 1 had about a dozen different faces to choose from for each gender and unless the Exile is asked to pick Revan out of a lineup of pictures, it's hard to see how Revan's face would be displayed in a potential encounter. Again, the simply solution is that since Darth Revan wore a mask, this Revan should as well, but that brings up the question as to why Revan would go back to wearing one if he/she became a Jedi again after KOTOR 1. However, the latest issue of the UK's OXM gaming magazine states that all the crew from the Ebon Hawk save T3 have been "slaughtered" in the time between KOTOR 1 and its sequel. Additionally, a throwaway line from LucasArts producer Mike Gallo suggests that there still will be cameos from beyond the grave, likely in the form of Force spirits. If anyone is capable of that, it would be Revan, assuming the "slaughtered" line included him/her.

Carth Onasi - Since the Exile and his party will be traveling to Carth's home planet of Telos, it is possible that he will return in KOTOR 2. Since the female Revan had the option of killing Carth after she fell to the darkside, if the Exile tells Atton that Revan was a female who resumed the mantle of Dark Lord, the game will change so that Carth doesn't make a cameo. But, according to the OXM magazine, he along with everyone else from the Hawk are dead no matter what. Assuming that the magazine is accurate and its line about ghostly guest appearances are true, the likelihood of Carth making an appearance are next to nil. Also, there is a chance that Carth's son Dustil will make an appearance, either with him or as an alternative to him depending on how the Exile answers Atton. However, just as Carth could have been killed in KOTOR 1, Dustil could have either remained with the Sith or been killed in the battle to escape Korriban, if Revan failed to turn Yuthura Ban to his/her side and if Revan didn't give Dustil evidence that his friend had been killed by Master Uthar.

Bastila Shan - Given the important role she played in KOTOR 1, it is understandable that many fans want to see her return or learn her ultimate fate, but the devs been silent on that. Like Carth, if there is to be a potential cameo by Bastila in KOTOR 2, actually running in to her depends once again on the conversation between the Exile and Atton Rand on Peragus Station. A male Jedi Revan had the option of either killing Bastila on the Star Forge or using their mutual love to draw her back to the light side. A female Jedi Revan only, as far as this author knows, has the option of killing Bastila. Both male and female Darth Revans have the option of making her their Sith apprentice or killing her. Any potential return by her is clouded by the option of the male Jedi to either kill her or not, so unless Atton's questions get that specific into what happend during KOTOR 1, the devs will likely have to impose a fate on her if the Exile selects a male Jedi as his/her answer. Where the Exile could find her is anybody's guess. But, if OXM can be believed, she's dead even if you select the light side ending. Since she was either a powerful Jedi or a Sith apprentice, there's a good chance of her appearing as a Force ghost. However, if the latest spoilers can be believed, there is a chance that Bastila could be back as something more substantial than a ghost.

Mission Vao - Again, like Carth and Bastila, her cameo, if there is to be one, depends on the end of KOTOR 1. Dark side Revans have the option of ordering her trusted companion Zaalbar to execute her or kill her himself/herself. Given her background, she might be found on Nar Shadaa if she is to be found at all. However, since OXM says that all the original party members are dead, then speculating on her fate now is moot.

Zaalbar - This character probably has the most problematic chance of returning to KOTOR 2. In the first game, Revan had many options on what to do with the Wookie endebted to him/her. On Kashyyk, Revan could have sided with his brother Chuundar and leave Zaalbar behind as a prisoner. Of course, the dark side Revan could have forced Zaalbar to execute Mission on the beach of the Rakatan planet. If, after that Revan decided to bring Zaalbar aboard the Star Forge, the Wookie turned on Revan and needed to be killed. So, Zaalbar's return is questionable, but if he is back, it is likely that he would be found in the company of Mission, assuming that she's alive as well. If OXM is to be believed, though, Zaalbar is dead anyway.

Jolee Bindo - The cantankerous former Jedi was already old in KOTOR 1, but that doesn't preclude the chance of him living to the time of KOTOR 2, assuming he survived the rise of Darth Nihilis and Darth Sion. If the Exile stated that Revan returned to the dark side, then Jolee is dead. Given the glut of new Jedi, it is doubtful that Jolee will return in any capacity. As mentioned before, OXM magazine indicates that everyone from the original KOTOR crew is dead even in the light side ending. Since Jolee's a Jedi, he could come back as a Force ghost like a crankier Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Juhani - Out of all the characters of KOTOR 1, her return is the least likeliest, if only because it is possible for Revan to kill and be done with her at their very first meeting on Dantooine. Since that was a possibility, her role in the core events of KOTOR 1 was kept at a minimum by Bioware. Since OXM has reported that the original crew is dead, her chances of coming back have evaporated completely, even though there might be Force ghost cameos

Canderous Ordo - Aside from the droids, the Mandalorian mercenary was the only one to get through the entire saga of KOTOR 1 without the possibility of dying, making a return in the sequel technically possible. It has been suggested that Canderous is Mandalore, likely assuming the title in between the two games. However, (you knew there was one of those coming, didn't you?), it has been stated by the devs at Obsidian that depending on the alignment of Revan and the Exile, some characters won't join the party or possibly not appear at all. Add to that the fact that Canderous stated that he was getting tired of killing after defeating Jaggi and it's possible that if Canderous is Mandalore, he won't appear if either Revan or the Exile are on the path of the Jedi. OXM magazine has stated that all the original characters are dead, so even though he managed to squeak through KOTOR alive, the transition between the two games may have caught up with Canderous.

Vandar Tokare - The Yoda-like Jedi Master was the only known member of the Jedi Council to survive Darth Malak's bombardment of Dantooine, however, he died at the Star Forge if Revan fell to the dark side. Although Darth Nihilis and Darth Sion have been exterminating Jedi ever since Revan's dissappearance, it is possible that Vandar went into hiding much like the diminuitive Jedi he was patterned after. Whether or not he appears in KOTOR 2 is a toss-up.

Admiral Dodonna - The head of the Republic fleet at the battle at the Star Forge only lived if Revan continued to be a Jedi. While the new Sith have almost wiped out the Jedi, the Republic remains in power. There's a chance of the admiral reappearing again, but that's up to the devs.

Yuthura Ban - Master Uthar's number two at the Sith Academy, it was possible for her to be spared by Revan, even turned away from the dark side. Fans have been wanting a cameo of her since KOTOR 2 was first announced, however her fate in KOTOR 1 is not dependent on Revan's gender or alignment, the only two known variables that Atton poses to the Exile at Peragus. If she is to return, she could either be found at Dantooine or Korriban, since if Revan spared her life, those were the only two places that she could be found.


Uncertain characters in KOTOR 2:


The bald guy in the background - Seen in a few screenshots in KOTOR 2 centered on Onderon, he appears to be fighting alongside the Exile, although whether or not he is a party member or just an ally is unknown. His garb suggests that he is part of the queen's forces, perhaps similar to the prequel trilogy's Captains Panaka and Typho. According to the devs, there are twelve total party members, however only a number of them will be able to join the Exile depending on his/her alignment. As of now, there appears to be only ten party members, assuming that Visas and the handmaiden are seperate characters and that the HK droid can join you, so either the total number is too high, some other character already revealed could join you, or there are two more that have yet to be revealed in any capacity.

Sith Soldier - Seen in the early screenshots, a Sith trooper was seen fighting alongside the Exile, and it was rumored that if the player started down the dark path, he/she could draft a Sith soldier into their service. However, those shots date back to before the new art assets were loaded into the game by Obsidian and it is likely that this trooper was a placeholder for Mandalore. Indeed, over time it appeared that this person's armor slowly morphed into something similar to what Mandalore was wearing. However, since there is reportedly 12 total party members, it is possible that a Sith soldier could join a fallen Exile.

Mandalorian - Several screen shots have shown Mandalorian warriors in their KOTOR 1 garb fighting alongside the Exile. Now, this could mean several things. One, that this was before Madalore's armor was finalized and was just a placeholder. Two, Mandalorian armor, like before, can be equipped by party members and this is just one of the above characters clad in a set. Three, these are just Mandalorians that are fighting alongside the party as allies. Finally, if there are more party members waiting to be revealed, it is possible if unlikely that a Mandalorian grunt could join the party, likely following Mandalore's lead.

Wookie - There have been reports of a Wookie being another potential party member. Whether this is a new character or Zaalbar is unknown, but reasons have been stated why Zaalbar returning is problematic from a technical point of view.

Sith Lord #3 - Finally, for a long time, there have been rumors of a third Sith Lord other than Darth Nihilis and Darth Sion. Over the past few months, speculation has raged over the identity of this person, ranging from Revan to Visas Marr to even the Exile. However, there was one possibility that was half-joked about during that time, but only recently was given a bit more credibility. Theories that none other than Bastila Shan was a Sith lord were given a shot in the arm when OXM revealed that the third Sith Lord was female, clad head to toe in a red robe with a black shawl around her face, totally obscuring her identity. OXM added the tantilizing hint "We didn't know whether we wanted to kill her or kiss her," bringing to mind Bastila's two possible fates in KOTOR. However, other than OXM (whose credibility on certain details has been questioned by fans), there have been no other reports on the identity of this person, however, she may not be the last Sith lord to be seen in the game.




That represents the total sum of what is known about characters and potential characters in KOTOR 2. Naturally, we will learn more as more information is revealed on the website. And of course when the game ships in December for the X-Box.

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Old 11-04-2004, 12:25 PM   #2
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Yep, nice post.

"The Exile" sounds really Black Isle-ish, don't you think?

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This forum saved(s) me tons of time. I don't need to hunt down snips and such just to get an idea. This forum should be stickied. Moderators if you please!!!


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Welcome Rat Boy!

It's good to see a nice, intelligent post that dosen't make me hunt down little bits and pieces of info to find out more and/or confirm it.

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Very informative! Great work! Where did you get all that info, though?

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A combination of online previews, snippets from the Obsidian forums, and bits quoted from magazines.
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Like the others said Rat Boy, very nice post! Makes me want KOTOR:TSL even more now after reading it!

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Hmmmm..its amazing how every charazter might appear in KOTOR:TSL but i am not certain if Juhani and Jolee might appear because they said that your character is the last jedi, but how about Atris? and someother Npc who is force-sensitive, so maybe they are hiding in someplace the sith might not have known.
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I think they're walking a line between last "known" Jedi and last Jedi that could be a threat to them. I only threw Jolee and Juhani up there since there has been speculation on whether or not they'd come back, so I decided to almost lay Vegas odds on it.
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Awesome thread! You just made me want KOTOR 2 even more! About the third sith lord, it couldn't be the exile, because Obsidian clearly said there would be no memory-wipes on your character, hideen identities, etc. Visas Marr doesn't look a sith lord. Just because she's in the Krath doesn't mean she's force sensitive.
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excellent work!! although i must point out that mission will die if you are darkside, reguardless of whether or not you force zalbaar to do it. also, i think i read in one of the devs posts at obsidian that there will be more than one conversation that deturmines what happened in kotor 1. otherwise, excellent detective work.


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About the third sith lord, it couldn't be the exile, because Obsidian clearly said there would be no memory-wipes on your character, hideen identities, etc.

I meant that you could become the third Sith lord eventually. I didn't mean to imply that the Exile could have been one in the past.

And the devs aren't entirely being accurate when they say that there won't be any "memory wipes." The Exile wakes up on Peragus with no idea how he/she got there or why someone is after him/her. Finding that out is part of what's going on in the first couple of quests.


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Visas Marr doesn't look a sith lord. Just because she's in the Krath doesn't mean she's force sensitive.

She is seen in multiple screenshots wielding a lightsaber. Making her the third Sith lord is just a fan rumor, one that I don't entirely agree with, but I can see the logic in it, given that Visas' joining your party is entirely dependent on your alignment. She'll join you if you're a dark-sider, but who knows what she'll do if you're a light-sider?


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What site did you find out on that revan went to Korriban?

It was in IGN's planet preview of Korriban. The fact that he left and vanished in the Unknown Regions comes from statements made by the devs early on.


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Really? Never tried it the other way. Guess that'll go in the next update.


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Atton's conversation is the only confirmed one. Found it in a transcript of a magazine article that outlines the first twenty minutes or so of the game. While it didn't list exactly what he asked, it said that the answers given determine Revan's gendera and final alignment.
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I meant that you could become the third Sith lord eventually. I didn't mean to imply that the Exile could have been one in the past.


She is seen in multiple screenshots wielding a lightsaber. Making her the third Sith lord is just a fan rumor, one that I don't entirely agree with, but I can see the logic in it, given that Visas' joining your party is entirely dependent on your alignment. She'll join you if you're a dark-sider, but who knows what she'll do if you're a light-sider?

You would become the third sith lord? Wouldn't you kill the other two and become the Dark Lord of the sith?

If she was the third sith lord, wouldn't she want to kill you? The sith THINK you're a jedi. (Oh, how wrong they are! ) maybe she'll try to kill you if you're a light sider.


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You would become the third sith lord? Wouldn't you kill the other two and become the Dark Lord of the sith?

Not necessarily. Perhaps this time, you can join the Sith and work your way up the dark ladder. Besides, three Sith lords could mean three overall, not simultaneously (also throws the rule of three out the window).


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If she was the third sith lord, wouldn't she want to kill you? The sith THINK you're a jedi. (Oh, how wrong they are! ) maybe she'll try to kill you if you're a light sider.

Exactly. She'd only become your enemy if you were on the light-side. If you were on the dark side, she'd join you.


Keep in mind that the third Sith lord isn't confirmed at all. I'm not entirely sure how the idea got started in the first place or if there's a direct quote from the devs. For all we know, there could be even be four total.
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3 or 4 sith lords?!?!? Did they say in the books that there MUST be only two sith lords: The master and the apprentice.
Quote from the temple of the sith: "Traditionally, the titular master of the ancient Sith people. A Jedi who has turned to the dark side of the Force. The title of Dark Lord was passed down from one generation to the next, with only one Dark Lord existing at a time. The mummified remains of the Dark Lords are preserved on Korriban." There could be any number of Sith Lords but only one Dark Lord at a time. Later, when Darth Bane instigated the policy of only two Sith Lords at a time, a master and an apprentice, both sometimes took the title of Dark Lord."


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Mind you, there were up to four Sith lords in KOTOR 1, just all not at the same time. Malak, Bandon, Bastila, and Revan.
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3 or 4 sith lords?!?!? Did they say in the books that there MUST be only two sith lords: The master and the apprentice.
Quote from the temple of the sith: "Traditionally, the titular master of the ancient Sith people. A Jedi who has turned to the dark side of the Force. The title of Dark Lord was passed down from one generation to the next, with only one Dark Lord existing at a time. The mummified remains of the Dark Lords are preserved on Korriban." There could be any number of Sith Lords but only one Dark Lord at a time. Later, when Darth Bane instigated the policy of only two Sith Lords at a time, a master and an apprentice, both sometimes took the title of Dark Lord."
they can indeed say that, true. however, don't count out the fact that you could have several sith lords bickering among each other for the top two spots.


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Mind you, there were up to four Sith lords in KOTOR 1, just all not at the same time. Malak, Bandon, Bastila, and Revan.
I disagree. Only Malak and Revan is counted as the Sith Lord.
|_Revan sith lord and Malak apprentice
|_Revan captured. <He is no more a sith lord because Malak now is.
|_Malak sith lord and Bandon apprentice
|_Bandon killed
|_Bastilla captured
|_Malak sith lord and Bastilla apprentice
|_Dark side end: Revan(Not yet a sith lord since Malak is not dead yet) take Bastilla apprentice,
|_Killed Malak
|_Revan sith lord and Bastilla apprentice


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"Sith lord" refers both to the master and the apprentice; that's why Vader is called Dark Lord of the Sith even though he's only the number 2 guy. Therefore, it makes Malak, Bandon, Bastila, and Sion count as Sith lords even though they were/are apprentices to someone else. Now, if Nihilis is the top Sith lord and Sion is his apprentice, he could always draft other people to take over if and when the Exile kills Sion. Like Visas Marr, for instance.
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Me too. It makes little sense...how can they all die like that?

It does make some sense for Jolee, Bastilla and Juhani not to reappear because you are the last Jedi but why would they go after the others?


EDIT: I've browsed the OXM official site and forum and could not find anything.
Everything ends up with "Subscribe to OXM"

EDIT2: I'm browsing the Obsidian forum and found people discussing about it. Due to forum policies, I can't post a link(I think it would be considered pimping). Just go to the Obsidian forums and look at the threads.

EDIT3: Lots of editing today eh? Anyway, here's a quote from the magazine I found:

"Shrouded in San Franciscan fog, deep in the aptly named Lucas Valley, sits Skywalker Ranch. You'd never know that inside a low-set building nestled under shady willow trees the last Jedi was fighting a bitter struggle for survival against staggering odds. You'd never know that the entire cast of KOTOR had been slaughtered save for a single malfunctioning droid. And you'd never know that the Sith had swept across the galaxy in a way that Vader could only dream of 4,000 years later."

EDIT4: Someone stop me.
I'm so worried by that statement that I won't sleep tonight. Been reading the thread back at the Obsidian forums. There seems to be lots of conflicting reports and claims by the devs. One could interpret that all the cast died due to the Dark Side ending(it is true and would make sense).
Also, the credibility of the magazine isn't great(this is what I heard, forgive me if I'm wrong). It could very well be false.


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Originally posted by lukeiamyourdad "Shrouded in San Franciscan fog, deep in the aptly named Lucas Valley, sits Skywalker Ranch."[/B]

As a native of the San Francisco Bay Area, it's possible for the fog to be at Skywalker Ranch and the city could be as clear as a bell, therefore it wouldn't be "San Franciscan fog." Since it's a valley, it gets twice the fog that SF gets (don't try driving around there on a fogged-in night, let me tell you).


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Also, the credibility of the magazine isn't great(this is what I heard, forgive me if I'm wrong). It could very well be false.

Magazines have been all over the place regarding story details. That's why I added the "according to OXM" qualification every time I referred to it to cover my own butt.
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3 or 4 sith lords?!?!? Did they say in the books that there MUST be only two sith lords: The master and the apprentice.
Quote from the temple of the sith: "Traditionally, the titular master of the ancient Sith people. A Jedi who has turned to the dark side of the Force. The title of Dark Lord was passed down from one generation to the next, with only one Dark Lord existing at a time. The mummified remains of the Dark Lords are preserved on Korriban." There could be any number of Sith Lords but only one Dark Lord at a time. Later, when Darth Bane instigated the policy of only two Sith Lords at a time, a master and an apprentice, both sometimes took the title of Dark Lord."
Remember KOTOR takes place before Bane. So there could be as many Sith as they want. Also it isn't just he sith lords that there could only be 2 of. There can only be 2 sith. If there were 2 sith lords and another sith the apprentice sith lord and the regular sith would try to grow in power till they over through the lead sith. That's why just the 2.

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Magazines have been all over the place regarding story details. That's why I added the "according to OXM" qualification every time I referred to it to cover my own butt.
I know. It wasn't directed to you in any way.


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This is my first post. Rat Boy, I love you to death. That was one kick-ass post!!!

You got me TOO excited about this game now!

I really hope that the UK magazine is correct and that the originaly crew is "slaughtered," because it would give the game such a real air of darkness and sinister atmosphere. I mean, your character is on the Ebon Hawk, a ship whose crew just got slaughtered.

That's gotta get the player going "Uh oh..."

But these new characters sound very interesting. Especially the Sith...
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i wonder if it turns out that you are revan again, and darth sion is really darth malak?
nah thats a too long shot... or is it?
maybe this been brought up before, i don't know...


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Remember what Mika Dorun on Korriban said about the previous owners of the Hawk? Sounds like the Curse lives on... Imagine stepping onto the Hawk and seeing nothing but one flashing monitor, cracked and covered with Wookiee blood. In the corner sits a rusted astromech droid with wires and blaster burns all over it. Finding the "black box" all you hear is blaster fire and the screams of a 13 year old Tweilek... Lucas goes for the "R" rating? The darker, sadder aspect of the game will make an all too differant feeling. T3 is a shell of his former self and all that remains. I can hear his beeps and whistles sound sadder some how.


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Isn't it just too easy? Killing them off is poor plotting.

Everyone(almost) wants to know what happens to the crew of the Ebon Hawk after the events of Kotor I.

They all die...

Mika Dorin did mention that the owner dies, not the crew.


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